August 31th, 2010, 13:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Agenda
Meeting Links
- Link to previous meeting
- Link to next meeting
Action Items from last meeting
- NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
- NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support
- NCommander to clean out the stale dove alternates
- NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates
- NCommander to flush antimony's expired images
Special Items
Standing Items
http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
- Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
QA Status (GrueMaster)
- Bugs needing attention before A3:
- Bug #605972 - Need to set hostname to ubuntu during first boot.
- Bug #600359 - ureadahead generating oom messages during boot.
- Bug #605831 - [omap3] Resolution should be taken from /proc/cmdline if provided
- Bugs needing attention before A3:
ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
- Any Other Business
- Kubuntu Mobile - Liquid update
Meeting Outcome
[14:01] <NCommander> #startmeeting [14:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is NCommander. [14:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:01] * GrueMaster yawns [14:01] <dyfet> groans [14:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100831 [14:01] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100831 [14:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o) [14:01] <MootBot> New Topic: NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o) [14:01] <NCommander> c/o [14:02] <ogra> hey [14:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support [14:02] <MootBot> New Topic: NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support [14:02] <ogra> roll call perhaps ? [14:02] <NCommander> co [14:02] <ogra> dont always rush so fast :) [14:02] <davidm> G'day [14:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to clean out the stale dove alternates [14:02] <MootBot> New Topic: NCommander to clean out the stale dove alternates [14:02] <NCommander> Done. [14:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates [14:02] <MootBot> New Topic: NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates [14:02] <NCommander> c/o [14:02] <ogra> NCommander, the ww dir on antimony still looks really odd [14:03] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to flush antimony's expired images [14:03] <MootBot> New Topic: NCommander to flush antimony's expired images [14:03] <ogra> *www [14:03] <NCommander> postponed until after beta [14:03] <NCommander> ogra: ogra in what way? [14:04] <ogra> err, not the www one, the scratch one [14:04] <NCommander> ogra: scratch needs a flush handle attached to it :-) [14:04] <ogra> ogra@antimony:~$ ls /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-netbook/ [14:04] <ogra> daily-live ports_daily ports_daily-live ports_daily-preinstalled ports_preinstalled ports_preinstalled-live [14:04] <NCommander> ogra: I'll investigate [14:04] <NCommander> [topic] standing items [14:04] <MootBot> New Topic: standing items [14:05] <ogra> NCommander, also how is the work going with adding the manifest files for preinstalled builds ? [14:05] <ogra> i know GrueMaster is waiting for that eagerly [14:05] <NCommander> ogra: low enough on my TDOD that I won't hold your breath [14:05] <ogra> (you said you'd care for it last meeting) [14:05] <GrueMaster> yes. [14:05] <NCommander> Someone else is going to have to fix it, or its going to have to wait [14:06] <ogra> hmm, you sounded differently last week, ok [14:06] <NCommander> I have no way of testing cdimage changes locally, and I rather not subject antimony to coding directly on it [14:06] * ogra does that ... ist bzr, you can roll back if your test build doesnt succeed [14:06] <ogra> *it's [14:07] <ogra> just dont do it during a milestone [14:07] <NCommander> ogra: also, working on antimony from here requires 1-2 minuts to type a command due to lag [14:07] <ogra> oh, its his fault ? [14:07] <NCommander> (sometimes its slightly better) [14:07] <ogra> well [14:07] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html [14:07] <MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html [14:07] <GrueMaster> Sure, blame it on the aussie. [14:08] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html [14:08] <MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html [14:08] <ogra> persia, how is the work on your last two items going ? did you polish the spirals ? [14:09] <persia> I haven't tried a run since Thursday, which crashed fairly badly. I'm hoping to get back to it in the next day or two (but have some testing to do first) [14:09] <ogra> k, probably re-target the items then [14:09] <persia> I'll do that now. [14:09] <ogra> great [14:10] <persia> The other one I can do for beta, if I prioritise it (and I will) [14:10] <ogra> k [14:11] <NCommander> [link] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:11] <MootBot> LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:11] <ogra> NCommander, bug 513728 ?? [14:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 513728 in erlang (Ubuntu) "[arm] needs porting to thumb2" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513728 [14:11] <ogra> do you still plan to do that ? [14:11] <NCommander> No. [14:11] <NCommander> No time. [14:12] <ogra> unassign it then :) [14:12] <NCommander> k [14:12] <ogra> bug 435046 is something i thought was solved long ago [14:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 435046 in linux-mvl-dove (Ubuntu) "Ethernet port on the dove sometimes changes MAC addresses" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435046 [14:12] <persia> ogra, I can't retarget it, but there's lots else TODO, and assigned to folks with no-time-before-beta, so I'm fairly confident it will move. [14:12] <NCommander> it was solved by ignoring it [14:12] <ogra> NCommander, there are a bunch of other thumb2 bugs assigned to you it seems [14:13] <GrueMaster> I haven't seen it in a while. My system is assigned an IP from the dhcp server based on mac addr. [14:13] <ogra> persia, you should be able to re-target the sigle items on the whiteboard [14:13] <ogra> GrueMaster, NCommander, well, then someone should close it :) [14:14] <NCommander> can I move on? [14:14] <persia> ogra, That spec isn't organised like that :) [14:14] <ogra> heh, ok [14:14] <ogra> NCommander, yup [14:15] <ogra> please everybody check that list and see if the bugs you are assigned to are still valid [14:15] <ogra> ... [14:16] <NCommander> lag sucks [14:16] <NCommander> (as in latency, not lag the enginneer) [14:16] <lag> :0 [14:16] <NCommander> (sorry lag) [14:16] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag) [14:16] <MootBot> New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag) [14:16] <lag> * Marvel (mvl-dove) [14:16] <lag> * MISC : Now we have both mvl-dove branch in lucid and maverick, though it's moved straight [14:16] <lag> from lucid to maverick (so it's 2.6.32 based) - thanks Tim/Brad/Andy Leann for this [14:16] <lag> * MISC : Received LSP 5.3.3 from Marvell, 23 patches, some are minor feature change and do not [14:16] <lag> qualify as SRU, will send my preliminary review out soon [14:16] <lag> * Freescale (fsl-imx51) [14:16] <lag> * Nothing new this week [14:16] <lag> * Texas Instruments (ti-omap) [14:16] <lag> * REBASE : Updated to TI OMAP4 2.6.35 based kernel release, 2.6.35-903.8 was uploaded [14:16] <lag> * PATCH : B613855 BB XM always boots with MMC as read-only due to incorrect GPIO settings [14:16] <lag> * ON GOING : B608266 fix submitted and accepted - still waiting for mobile team to test [14:17] <lag> * ON GOING : B563650 problem is not related to DPMS, but with VT driver entering power saving mode [14:17] <lag> * NEW : B624652 new Panda version (ES2.0) needs a working bootloader [14:17] <ogra> bug 613855 should be fixed, no ? [14:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 613855 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "omap3 beagle XM MMC card always comes up readonly" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613855 [14:17] <ogra> yeah, says fix released [14:18] <GrueMaster> And it works here. [14:18] <lag> When was that marked fixed released? [14:18] <lag> Hold ot [14:18] <ogra> bug 624652 is only paperwork, i think rsalveti has a working x-loader and the linaro omap4 u-boot shoudl work too [14:18] <lag> on* [14:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 624652 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Panda ES2.0: No working bootloader" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624652 [14:18] <lag> That's why it's marked as PATCH [14:18] <ogra> lag, it was marked fix released when the upload happened :) [14:19] <lag> ogra: It still needs to be done [14:19] * ogra wonders which bug we are currently talking about :) [14:19] <rsalveti> ogra: yep, just waiting the 1gb patch to get accepted at gitorious tree [14:19] <lag> ogra: The paperwork .. [14:19] <rsalveti> and then we can just update the package [14:19] <ogra> lag, ah, yeah [14:19] <rsalveti> so it can be used by default for es2.0 [14:19] <lag> Good stuff [14:19] <rsalveti> but also noticed they created a different patch for es2.0 8 layers :-( [14:19] <lag> Let me know when it's fixed [14:20] <ogra> rsajdok, did you test with the linaro u-boot ? [14:20] <rsalveti> so will follow that later on to understand why [14:20] <ogra> on es2 [14:20] <rsalveti> ogra: not yet [14:20] <ogra> k [14:20] <rsalveti> ogra: it's on my todo list, also a request from sakoman [14:20] <ogra> we'll need to notify jcrigby if we see issues [14:20] <rsalveti> sure [14:21] <lag> Now who has tab issues [14:21] <rsalveti> sakoman is looking forward to our test results [14:21] <ogra> no hurry though [14:21] <rsalveti> ok [14:21] <ogra> its post beta stuff ... if we know during next week thats fine i guess [14:21] <lag> I need to speak to sakoman [14:22] <rsalveti> sure, np [14:22] <ogra> lag, we wont stop you :) [14:22] <lag> ogra: Let me know when you have his attention [14:22] <lag> ;) [14:22] <ogra> he is in #ubuntu-arm, feel free to do it yourself ;) [14:23] <NCommander> can I move on? [14:23] <lag> .. [14:23] <ogra> ++ [14:24] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:24] <MootBot> New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:25] <GrueMaster> Images are once again booting. [14:25] <ogra> \o/ [14:25] <ogra> the session should be fine too now [14:25] <GrueMaster> But I am now seeing an odd behavior. After oem-config runs, the system comes up ok. But if I reboot, the system hangs. [14:25] <rsalveti> cool :-) [14:25] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: beagle? panda? [14:26] <GrueMaster> Just noticed this late in the evening, and haven't had a chance to explore it. [14:26] <lag> GrueMaster: I have the opposite problem [14:26] <GrueMaster> Beagle & Panda. [14:26] <NCommander> GrueMaster: how ar ethings w/ dove? [14:26] <ogra> panda works fine here since we switched u-boot [14:26] <lag> Which uboot are we now using? [14:26] <rsalveti> well, didn't test with today's image, but tested yesterday on beagle and panda [14:26] <lag> When was the switch? [14:27] <ogra> lag, linaros for omap4 [14:27] <GrueMaster> My BeagleXM hangs during boot before oem-config runs, with an alsa-utils error. Same sd card w/o changes works fine on Beagle. [14:27] <rsalveti> worked fine on both [14:27] <ogra> lag, before beta freeze [14:27] <lag> Can someone send me a copy? [14:27] <ogra> lag, of what ? [14:27] <rsalveti> lag: grab from the package [14:27] <lag> The u-boot.bin you're using [14:27] <lag> k [14:27] <rsalveti> or from the latest image :-) [14:27] <ogra> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/u-boot-linaro/2010.06-695-gbd23130-linaro-0ubuntu1 [14:27] <lag> Thanks [14:28] <GrueMaster> Dove fails to load the desktop/installer. hangs in X w/ background. I believe it may be trying to load the 3D stuff (clutter). Will explore today. [14:28] * ogra wonders if we should switch omap3 too to not have to maintain the same stuff twice [14:28] <ogra> GrueMaster, thats very likely since it doesnt use jasper [14:29] * NCommander rips his hair out. [14:29] <ogra> and the netbook images have no concept of switching the session at all [14:29] <NCommander> ogra: ok, how do I get it to use 2D launcher? [14:29] <ogra> so if you dont use jasper you are doomed to use unity [14:29] <ogra> NCommander, look at the jasper-initramfs code [14:29] <GrueMaster> ogra: Shouldn't that be added to the netbook-efl-settings postinstall script or something? [14:29] <ogra> GrueMaster, no [14:30] <rsalveti> ogra: I think we should, it works fine [14:30] <ogra> GrueMaster, then it would switch back and forth depending on the order if the settings packages being installed [14:30] <ogra> s/if// [14:30] <ogra> i discussed that several times with didrocks, there is no proper way to do it [14:30] <GrueMaster> Well, it should be somewhere in the image build process, and not some hackery in the preboot scripts. [14:31] <ogra> it *doesnt* work if you have both installed [14:31] <persia> "doomed to use unity" doesn't seem right. Can we avoid that phrasing? [14:31] <ogra> persia, i'm trying to ... :P [14:31] <ogra> GrueMaster, all you can do is to select the right session at gdm [14:32] <GrueMaster> Doesn't help for the live image. [14:32] <ogra> ubuntu-netbook had a fallback concept in the past [14:32] <NCommander> Whoever decided that we needed a script to decide how Unity is loaded (or not loaded) has in inhertantly broken design [14:32] <ogra> but the desktoip team decided it would be bad to have that if the UIs dont lkook the same [14:32] <NCommander> It needs to work automatically, or we need two seeds. [14:32] <ogra> NCommander, talk to didrocks [14:32] <ogra> or the desktop team in general [14:33] * ogra had the discussion several times since before the sprint ... all they agreed on was a popup message telling you that you have to switch the session manually [14:33] <ogra> in case unity comes up with no GL support [14:33] <GrueMaster> Which we don't even have that yet. [14:33] <ogra> didrocks has a task for it [14:34] <NCommander> can I move on? [14:34] <ogra> yes [14:34] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [14:34] <MootBot> New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [14:34] <NCommander> Nothing to report on my end. [14:34] <dyfet> we got telepathy-glib unblocked, though there were some questions remaining [14:34] <ogra> dyfet, how goes commons-daemon ? [14:35] <dyfet> but we were as noted able to get images to build :). And yes, I got commons-daemon to build [14:35] <ogra> yes, i know i uploaded the telepathy-glib workaround .... [14:35] * persia filed a sync request last week for commons-daemon [14:35] <dyfet> and kdebindings is unblocked too [14:35] <dyfet> But I found a new problem effecting rebuilds [14:35] <dyfet> automoc now crashes for me [14:36] <dyfet> I documented it last night [14:36] <ogra> dyfet, bug 623979 [14:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 623979 in telepathy-glib (Ubuntu) "telepathy-glib fails to build on armel due to two unsuccessfull selftests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623979 [14:36] <ogra> could you take care for talking to upstream about it ? [14:36] <ogra> seb128 asked that upstream fixes it properly [14:36] <dyfet> I no longer have the self tests fail [14:36] <ogra> can you read the bug first ? [14:36] <Riddell> dyfet: a new problem in kdebindings? [14:37] <dyfet> we need to figure out why it happens on your box and the porters box, ogra [14:37] <dyfet> (still happens) [14:37] <dyfet> Riddell: no, a problem with automoc [14:37] <dyfet> (new problem) [14:37] <ogra> dyfet, well, then research it, you have access to the porter box [14:37] <dyfet> okay, fair enough [14:37] <Riddell> dyfet: it crashes during build? [14:38] <dyfet> automoc fails when used to build other packages [14:38] <Riddell> hum [14:39] <dyfet> so its blocking rebuilding other kde packages in universe for maverick [14:40] <dyfet> but if NCommander needs to move forward, we can discuss after the meeting [14:41] <NCommander> Lets move forward [14:42] <NCommander> [action] dyfet and Riddell to cooridinate on automoc [14:42] <MootBot> ACTION received: dyfet and Riddell to cooridinate on automoc [14:42] <dyfet> agreed [14:42] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [14:42] <MootBot> New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [14:42] <NCommander> they exist [14:42] <NCommander> dove ones are broken. Will work with ogra on how we can force the session to 2D only on dove [14:42] <ogra> omap should be fine [14:42] * NCommander is very annoyed that the autodetection was removed [14:42] <NCommander> dove server ones should also be fine. [14:43] <ogra> NCommander, unity is written from scratch [14:43] <ogra> nothing was "removed" :) [14:43] <NCommander> It was there, then it wasn't there [14:43] <NCommander> That sure sounds like the definition of removed [14:44] <ogra> and as i said above, desktop team a) refuses to have a differently looking 2D fallback ... and b) session handling is all in gdm now [14:44] <persia> Rather, the folks that implemented the netbook solution didn't have time to port it to unity for maverick, and nobody else picked up the work. [14:44] <persia> ogra: a) isn't true: it's a time availability thing. [14:44] <ogra> persia, as far as i understood its not wanted [14:44] <ogra> at least thats what i was told several times now [14:44] <persia> Not considered critical != not wanted. [14:44] <ogra> but as i said, feel free to talk to them yourself [14:44] <persia> Or we've received different information. [14:44] * persia did, a few times, or wouldn't be commenting [14:45] <ogra> funny that we did get different info then [14:45] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business [14:45] <MootBot> New Topic: Any Other Business [14:46] * ogra will be away today after the meeting [14:46] <ogra> just FYI [14:46] <persia> A couple things. [14:46] <persia> 1) The #ubuntu-mobile channel is no more (it was entirely unused, as far as I could tell) [14:47] <persia> 2) kubuntu-mobile images are available for omap3, and the kubuntu-mobile folks could use help testing, if anyone has hardware/time. [14:47] <ogra> wohoo ! [14:47] <GrueMaster> I have been trying the kubuntu-mobile images as time allows. [14:48] <ian_brasil__> GrueMaster: with success? [14:49] <GrueMaster> Not yet. Oem-config crashed, but I had to move back to our images due to XM issues. [14:49] <ogra> ian_brasil__, i doubt normal beagles will be great for testing them (256M only) [14:49] <GrueMaster> Will track it down today. [14:49] <ogra> you should make clear to recommend to use them only on XM [14:49] * ogra doubts kubuntu will be less RAM hungry than ubuntu-netbook here [14:50] <ian_brasil__> ogra: we work on this for Natty [14:50] <ogra> well, for natty you will have the XM in production out there, 512M should be fine for either of the images [14:51] <ogra> the larger community will only have beagle Cx boards during maverick though ... thats likely to have OOM issues [14:51] <persia> There's also the requirement for accelerated graphics... [14:52] <ian_brasil__> regarding the images ...we want to file MIR bugs for packages currently in universe which should be in the image ...these are kubuntu-mobile-default-settings , plasma-mobile and kdepim-mobile..rbelem offered to maintain them and riddell/ScottK will sponsor them. [14:53] <ogra> oh, there is ? [14:53] <ogra> we dont have any drivers in the archive [14:53] * ogra thought kubuntu-mobile can run without 3D accel [14:53] <persia> It can, but ... [14:54] <persia> ian_brasil__, I thought there already was MIR for plasma-mobile and kubuntu-mobile-default-settings. [14:54] <ian_brasil__> yes..i am keeping people in the loop [14:55] <persia> OK. I feared I'd lost track :) [14:55] <Riddell> I was expecting plasma-mobile and kubuntu-mobile-default-settings to remain in universe this cycle [14:57] <persia> Riddell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/626543 has some of the discussion of what is required if the MIRs are not completed. ScottK suggested a few MIRs might be less invasive. [14:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 626543 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "kubuntu-mobile should be built against universe" [Undecided,New] [14:57] <persia> Doesn't much matter which approach is taken, really. [14:58] <ian_brasil__> the requirement for main is maintained and supported ..since we have both maybe main is ok since it makes cdimage happier === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [14:58] <ogra> it surely makes NCommander happier :) [14:58] <Riddell> mm yes, I remember [14:58] <ogra> since he fiddles with the build scripts for it [14:58] <persia> ian_brasil__, cdimage works against universe, but we incorrectly assumed that we could have one seed collection handle both universe and main images. [14:58] <ogra> but iirc you can build images from universe [14:58] <ogra> xubuntu does that all the time [14:59] <persia> ogra, Only with a universe seed. [14:59] <ogra> ah [14:59] <persia> (and requires LP changes, etc.) [14:59] <ian_brasil__> ogra: you cannot mix seeds [14:59] * ogra didnt know that, i never built images from universe ... [14:59] <NCommander> persia: ?, what was the issue with universe images? [14:59] <NCommander> It built fine with packages from universe [14:59] <persia> ogra, We all just discovered it in the past couple days. [14:59] <ogra> luckily edubuntu decided to do that after i left :) [14:59] <persia> NCommander, ogre-model on task generation [14:59] <persia> Oh, and ogre-model on metapackage build. [15:00] <NCommander> I'm afraid I might be missing something [15:00] <ogra> NCommander, its like an onion you know :) [15:00] <persia> ogra, edubuntu wouldn't be affected, as it was a clean transition: the issue is that kubuntu can't have *both* main and universe images. needs two seed collections. [15:00] <ogra> persia, yeah, understood [15:01] <ogra> me points out that we're over time [15:01] <ogra> not sure there is another meeting now though [15:01] <persia> Anyway, two ways to sort it: the MIR folk and the cdimage folk can argue about who wants less inconvenience. If ian_brasil__ and rbelem keep up the interest they've shown the last 2 cycles, I don't think main ought be an issue. [15:01] <persia> Probably. [15:01] * persia stops [15:01] <ogra> move to #ubuntu-arm ;) [15:02] <ogra> NCommander, kill it ! [15:02] <davidm> NCommander, ??? [15:03] <NCommander> #endmeeting
Action Items
- NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
- NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support
- NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates
Minutes
- dbus issues on omap + omap4 resolved
- kubuntu-mobile enabled for armel
- Discussion on 2D/3D launcher issue on UNE
- Discussion on automoc segfaults
Weekly Reports
David Sugar
Mobile
- A lot of fun with getting kde related ftbfs's finally cleared in main
- Telepathy-glib cleared, unblocking image build. Strange issues on some build machines.
- Identified new build problem; automoc4 crashing
- Review on universe kde ftbfs suggest many will now clear with simple casting issue fixes
Michael Casadevall
- Marvell co-location continues
- Dove installer hosed for beta, debugging with ev.
- Beta image work and supervising