## page was copied from ARM/Meeting/2011/20111117 <> ||<>|| '''December 01st, 2011, 15:00 UTC''' in '''#ubuntu-meeting'''.<
> = Agenda = == Meeting Links == * Link to previous meeting * [[ARM/Meeting/2011/20111117]] * Link to next meeting * [[ARM/Meeting/2011/20111208]] == Action Items from last meeting == * None == Standing Items == * http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html * ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) * Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) * ARM Porting/FTBFS status ([[MichaelCasadevall|NCommander]], janimo) * ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) * ARM Image Status ([[OliverGrawert|ogra]], [[MichaelCasadevall|NCommander]]) * QA Status (!GrueMaster, mahmoh) * Linaro Updates (rsalveti) * Any Other Business = Weekly Reports = = Meeting Outcome = * Review of specifications, and work items for P cycle {{{ [14:59] #startmeeting [14:59] Meeting started Thu Dec 1 14:59:53 2011 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [14:59] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:00] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111201 [15:01] so who's here? [15:01] o/ === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [15:01] * GrueMaster is self-caffinating. [15:02] ok, I think we have enough people [15:03] We have no action items from last meeting, so [15:03] [topic] Standing Items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Standing Items [15:03] #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html [15:03] just because you didnt note them down :P [15:03] i was supposed to get the Wi tracker filled :) [15:03] if anyone is missing a spec he works on, please let me know [15:04] I probably need to go through all mine and make them sane. [15:04] ogra_: oh d'oh. I grepped for #action in the log but I used [action] >.<; [15:04] I've been too busy working to work. [15:04] I need to be consistent or my greps break [15:04] well, at least make sure they are targeted for precise and approved [15:04] (thats for everyone, to have your spec show up these two need to be true) [15:05] and it helps if they have an owner ... i think there is one jani spec that doesnt yet [15:05] (i'll talk to him when he is around) [15:05] NCommander, move [15:05] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:06] Not muchto say here [15:06] so [15:06] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:07] paolo is moving and not online until monday [15:07] afaik he spammed GrueMaster with some SRU kernels though :) [15:07] cooloney was working on an internal project for me so i doubt he would have much to report [15:07] Only SRU kernel I currently have is for Oneiric omap4. Finished testing yesterday. [15:08] I also tested a slew of test kernels for bug 861296. [15:08] Launchpad bug 861296 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296 [15:08] It should make the next SRU release. [15:10] well, its mainly important for the buildds [15:10] yes. [15:11] #optic ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:11] #topic ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:11] helps if I spell it right [15:11] what is FTBFS [15:11] jhobbs: Failure to Build from Source [15:12] jhobbs: Failure To Build From Source. [15:12] thanks [15:12] well, we should all help on armhf currently [15:12] And with a new port online, I'd like to encourage everyone to look at the armhf FTBFS lists and go to town. [15:12] just grab a failed build [15:13] (There will be a mass-give-back in a couple of hours, so... After that) :P [15:13] http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html [15:13] there is the overview [15:13] thanks, i was about to ask for that =) [15:14] how about the "normal" ftbfs ... NCommander anything noticeable ? [15:14] jhobbs: feel free to poke any of us in #ubuntu-arm if you need help with FTBFS fixing [15:14] ogra_: I haven't reviewed the list extensively since last week [15:16] * ogra_ neither, i was watching hf all the time [15:16] ruby needs some love there [15:17] on the non hf [15:17] and ooooh surprise !!! [15:17] telepathy-glib [15:17] :P [15:17] if anyone says mono, I'm jumping off the tallest building I can find [15:18] mono is over and out :P [15:18] I think doko pinged us about ruby a few days ago in #ubuntu-arm. [15:18] for hf i thought [15:18] mono has a few more testsuite failures on armhf than it does on armel, otherwise fine. [15:18] where it has a timeout [15:18] * GrueMaster shouts "MONO LIVES" [15:18] lol [15:18] ruby is suffering testsuite timeouts, yeah. [15:18] We'll have to poke at that. [15:19] I'm told it might be a kernel bug. :/ [15:19] Related to the test timeouts I saw with python and perl (transiently, apparently) as well. [15:19] well, is that true for non hf ? [15:20] Sometimes, maybe. [15:20] ah, yeah [15:20] It's a bit vague. [15:20] it is [15:20] same error message in the log [15:20] well, lets move [15:21] NCommander, ... [15:21] [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) [15:21] it builds !!! [15:21] (some packages at least) [15:21] How close are we to getting armhf images? I would imagine core would be first. [15:21] i have also added info about it to the A1 announcement [15:22] GrueMaster, a week or two for core i would guess [15:22] Core could be only a few days away, depending on effort put in. [15:22] And luck. [15:22] Other images, dunno. [15:22] yeah, others will take lots of time i would guess [15:22] We have two toolchain bugs we're still fixing, but other than that, it's just a lot of grunt work and CPU time. [15:23] Need kernel support, I would assume? [15:23] not in A2 timeframe i bet [15:23] kernels would be nice. [15:23] according to kernel team they are uploaded [15:23] ogra_: Kernel team only does omap. [15:23] omap4 too [15:23] paolo ... [15:24] i talked to jani, he is aware that we should get ac100 onto hf as well [15:24] not sure what to do for mx5 [15:24] Yeah, there's been no linux-ti-omap4 upload yet. [15:24] jcrigby would be the man to bug about mx5. [15:24] Anyhow. We'll sort it. [15:24] yep [15:25] We are still running the Oneiric omap4 kernel. Should be resolved next week though. [15:25] Kernels don't do us much good just yet anyway. If they land in a week or so, I'm happy. [15:25] GrueMaster, hopefully soon, we need 4460 fixes [15:26] NCommander, move ? [15:26] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:26] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:26] we have A1's !! [15:27] apart from the omap network issue seems they look all good [15:27] *really* good given its A1 [15:27] kudos to GrueMaster for the test effort !!! [15:27] awesome work [15:27] heh [15:27] +1 GrueMaster [15:27] nothing else from me [15:28] The images oddly are not much different from Oneiric. [15:28] yeah [15:28] Good. :P [15:28] we didnt change a thing but general package updates [15:28] NCommander, move [15:29] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) [15:29] On the daily image build issue, I only show 1 fewer on armel vs x86 since the opening of P [15:29] sigh. [15:29] ? [15:29] Automation work on SRU testing is going strong. Lot of fixes to the wrt test suite. [15:29] This is an upsetting statistic? [15:29] GrueMaster: seems the archive skew patch is doing its job [15:30] Archive skew though isn't the only reason images may fail to exist, just the most common [15:30] s/wrt/qrt [15:30] yeah [15:30] pretty well it seems [15:30] #chair ogra [15:30] Warning: Nick not in channel: ogra [15:30] Current chairs: NCommander ogra [15:30] #chair ogra_ [15:30] Current chairs: NCommander ogra ogra_ [15:31] With NCommander's help, I can now automate Natty installs for SRU testing. Once we have Maverick, I can automate 90% of the SRU process. [15:31] brb [15:31] awesome !!! [15:32] back, sorry about that [15:32] Still running into issues with the qrt tests. For every 3 fixes to make them work on arm, a new "feature" gets added that breaks. [15:32] fun [15:32] Which means I need to review and figure out why they broke. [15:33] I'm working on cooking the maverick voodoo now [15:33] move ? [15:33] I would like to propose that going forward, we enable netinstall for all supported platforms, as it will greatly help in future SRU testing efforts. [15:34] #topic Linaro Updates (rsalveti) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) [15:34] * rsalveti waves [15:34] our planning for the 11.12 is done already! [15:34] GrueMaster: we almost always do, omap was an exception to that rule (I always do enablement with netboot images, but the omap4 booting from SD card pre-empted that design at first) [15:34] https://launchpad.net/linaro-dev-platform/+milestone/11.12 [15:34] please have a look at the blueprints we have [15:34] and subscribe if you want to be updated about the progress [15:35] the u-boot related ones are the most interesting for the images I believe [15:35] rsalveti: is there a status.linaro.org page or something? [15:35] we'll try to enable SPL for omap 3 and also try to have only one SPL that would work for omap 3 and 4 [15:35] NCommander: yes, but still need some rework [15:35] rsalveti, is the settop box stuff being worked on with the #ubuntu-tv team ? [15:35] because we changed our process a little bit [15:36] ogra_: not yet I believe, something we need to discuss with them [15:36] don't know if they are interested on xmbc for now [15:36] or if they want to create a different solution [15:36] well, they are working on UI elements on top of the player SW [15:36] what we're trying to do is to enable the needed patches to make it working fine wiht omap 4 [15:36] like, making it to work with glesv2 and gstreamer [15:37] ogra_: oh, ok, so will sync with them [15:37] i.e. unity adjustments to run on top of a running stream/tv show etc [15:37] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise [15:37] this is also going to affect precise [15:37] thats the one smagoun is intrested in, right = [15:37] ?` [15:37] and hopefully firefox will be cross-buildable at precise at the end of the month [15:38] ogra_: yes [15:38] ogra_: but the other one that smagoun created is still to be approved it seems [15:38] let me try to find it [15:38] not sure who has to do that [15:39] maybe foundations? [15:39] might be [15:39] wasnt that cross live-build stuff ? [15:39] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-arm-p-cross-compilable-packages [15:39] ah [15:39] this is the one related with cross build enablement [15:40] well, if yours gets implemented i dont see a reason to have an ubuntu one as well [15:40] sure, but ours is more related with firefox atm [15:40] effectively they will implement the same [15:40] this was related with ubuntu-core and a few other packages [15:40] right [15:40] I was just worried that this is not yet approved [15:40] and don't know who is responsible for it at the ubuntu side [15:40] well, we wont have resources i bet ... [15:41] something to check with smagoun [15:41] once there are hf images etc we will get very very busy [15:41] yup [15:41] ogra_: yeah [15:41] another one that we just need to be approved is the libjpeg-turbo one [15:41] let me find the link [15:41] though server is currently on halt ... probably NCommander is bored enough to look at this spec :) [15:41] why does that need a spec ? [15:41] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/replace-libjpeg-by-libjpeg-turbo [15:42] i thought thats just a transition and already approved [15:42] ogra_: kate request this blueprint to be created [15:42] k [15:42] tom gall is working on it [15:42] yep [15:42] * NCommander wimpers [15:42] but she also wanted a bp to track the work [15:42] ogra_: it ins't approved yet [15:42] davidm: can you approve this blueprint? [15:42] tell him to ping me if he needs sponsoring [15:42] ogra_: sure [15:42] ogra_: It's already well underway with Foundations. [15:43] ogra_: Including much back and forth review and critique. [15:43] yeah, thoght so [15:43] guess this is just to track the work [15:43] so probably foundations should own it [15:43] so it can be part of status and so on [15:43] doesnt really seem arm related given we will switch for all arches [15:43] yeah, fair enough [15:43] so will check the other with smagoun and this with foundations [15:44] guess that's all form my side then [15:44] any question? [15:44] any heavy u-boot breakage we need to be prepared for ? [15:44] ogra_: not atm [15:44] apart from changing the build scripts for new MLO [15:44] great ! [15:45] ogra_: once we have a newer version or a big change, we'll let you know about it [15:45] oh [15:45] rsalveti, have you seen the hf discussion above ? [15:45] thanks rsalveti [15:45] we will need hf as target arch in mx5 [15:45] since linaro maintains that kernel [15:45] ogra_: sure [15:45] i guess you want a bug ? [15:45] ogra_: we just need to know when we'll be able to push the package [15:46] now :) [15:46] rsalveti: Yesterday. [15:46] or tomorrow [15:46] ogra_: great [15:46] or so :) [15:46] so are we able to bootstrap armhf already? [15:46] no hurry, but it should happen at some point [15:46] Almost. [15:46] rsalveti: we have it building in LP [15:46] last I saw infinity was still fighting with it [15:46] rsalveti, we're building already [15:47] great then, will talk with jcrigby then [15:47] thanks for the heads up [15:47] --variant=minbase should work in about an hour. :P [15:47] (And I'll have core images building tonight) [15:47] infinity: :-) [15:47] GrueMaster: --^ [15:47] Yea. [15:47] go infinity go [15:47] http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html [15:47] rsalveti, ^^ [15:48] ogra_: thanks [15:48] Okay, maybe in two hours. [15:48] NCommander, move [15:48] I'll just settle for "tonight". ;) [15:48] * ogra_ translates "tonight -> monday" :P [15:49] monday is still fine ;-) [15:49] infinite optimism ... ;) [15:49] ... from infinity [15:49] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:50] * ogra_ has nothing [15:50] * NCommander also has nothing [15:50] anyone ? [15:50] going once [15:50] twice [15:51] three times [15:51] #endemeeting [15:51] heh [15:51] try again [15:51] #endmeeting }}} == Action Items == * None