20120209
February 9th, 2012, 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Agenda
Meeting Links
- Link to previous meeting
- Link to next meeting
Action Items from last meeting
- janimo to look into LibO
- dannf to tidy up a kernel package for armada
- infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i
janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby
Standing Items
- ARM Server Status (NCommander)
- Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)
- Linaro Updates (rsalveti)
- Any Other Business
Meeting Outcome
[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting [15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb 9 15:00:57 2012 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:00] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:01] * davidm waves [15:01] <dannf> hey [15:01] <ogra_> wow, thats timing :) [15:01] <NCommander> [topic] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120209 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120209 [15:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Items from last meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Action Items from last meeting [15:01] <NCommander> [topic] janimo to look into LibO === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: janimo to look into LibO [15:02] <ogra_> lots ;:) [15:02] <janimo> hi [15:02] * NCommander looks for mercy on janimo's soul [15:02] <ogra_> NCommander, he volunteered ! [15:02] <janimo> indeed I did [15:02] <NCommander> dd if=/dev/mercy of=/dev/janimo/soul [15:02] <mahmoh> hi [15:02] <janimo> I do not (yet) regret it [15:02] <ogra_> must have to do with his transylvanian inheritance :) [15:02] <NCommander> janimo: yet being the operative word here [15:03] <janimo> true. I am looking at this now on the panda. If you'll see me curse these days, it's because I've been where NCommander has been before [15:03] * NCommander needs a t-shirt [15:04] * ogra_ doesnt want to go there ... evar ! [15:04] <NCommander> "I braved the depths of hell^W Libreoffice and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" [15:04] <ogra_> though, mono is broken too [15:04] * ogra_ hides [15:04] <NCommander> [action] ogra_ to debug mono [15:04] <meetingology> ACTION: ogra_ to debug mono [15:04] <NCommander> Ok [15:04] <NCommander> done [15:04] <ogra_> lol [15:05] * ogra_ looks for that rock and brick he collected before [15:05] <NCommander> janimo: anything else to report or can I move on? [15:05] <janimo> no really?mono broken on arm? impossible, I hear a company bases it's business on it not being broken on arm. You are all lying [15:05] <ogra_> lol [15:05] <janimo> NCommander, nope I hope I'll make progress till next meeting [15:05] <janimo> but I ave started on it [15:05] * NCommander thinks we've lost janimo to the madness already [15:06] <ogra_> thats the winter [15:06] <NCommander> [topic] dannf to tidy up a kernel package for armada === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: dannf to tidy up a kernel package for armada [15:06] <ogra_> being locked in at -20°C does weird things to you [15:06] <NCommander> ogra_: I lived in a mountian town like that. I'm still perfectly sane [15:06] <ogra_> LOL [15:06] <ogra_> LOLOLOLOL [15:06] <dannf> NCommander: done afaik [15:07] * ogra_ cleans coffee from his kbd [15:07] <NCommander> dannf: indeed, we're working on havinga kernel today (to be reported on later) [15:07] * GrueMaster had coffee shoot up his nose, laughing so hard. [15:07] <NCommander> ogra_: GrueMaster oh you guys suck [15:08] <GrueMaster> :D [15:08] <NCommander> [topic] infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i [15:08] <ogra_> is infinity even here ? [15:08] <janimo> ogra_, I heard he planned on snorting coke a few hours ago [15:08] <NCommander> No, but I thinkthis is a c/ogivenwestilldon't have an uploadedkernel [15:08] <ogra_> yeah [15:08] * NCommander smacks his spacebar [15:09] <theadmin> Hey wtf! I thought meeting starts at 20:00 UTC >.< [15:09] <theadmin> No fair I sezzit [15:09] <ogra_> the ARM meeting never ever started at 20UTC [15:10] <NCommander> We'll be having the usual IRC meeting on #ubuntu-meeting, on [15:10] <NCommander> Thursday 2011-02-09 at 15:00 UTC. [15:10] * NCommander would be very happy if the meeting was at 20:00 UTC but :-P [15:10] <NCommander> [topic] janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby [15:10] * ogra_ wouldnt [15:11] <GrueMaster> Done. Latest images have the new mx5 kernel [15:11] <theadmin> Either I'm confusing something or... Well I'm here for the first time, buuut: http://i.imm.io/gbSI.png [15:11] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Standing Items [15:11] <GrueMaster> Still fails on START-R rev board. USB issues. [15:12] <NCommander> theadmin: wrong meeting. This is the ARM development team meeting, not IRC council [15:12] <theadmin> NCommander: Ah, pardon me then. ARM is cool, I'll listen in if you don't mind? [15:12] <janimo> I tested the kernel it was ok, people uploaded it then [15:12] <NCommander> [topic] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html [15:12] * janimo answered late on previous topic [15:13] <NCommander> Well [15:13] <NCommander> ... [15:13] <NCommander> The items are increasing [15:13] <NCommander> I think we fail [15:13] <ogra_> huh ? [15:13] * GrueMaster is too sleepy to comment on futility. [15:13] <ogra_> we look better than ever [15:14] <ogra_> slightly below trend (if it would be in the right angle) [15:14] <NCommander> ogra_: we're supposed to close items, not add half-a-million new closed items [15:14] <ogra_> nothing changed over the last week [15:14] <NCommander> THATS NOT HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET ON THE TRENDLINE [15:14] * NCommander screams [15:14] * ogra_ wonmders what you are referring to= [15:14] <NCommander> ogra_: madness [15:14] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander) [15:14] <ogra_> there were no items added [15:15] <NCommander> So, I've got news! [15:15] <theadmin> Can anyone change topic or what... [15:15] <theadmin> [topic] tests [15:15] <theadmin> Guess not :D [15:15] <NCommander> I saved a bunch of money changing my insurance! [15:15] <theadmin> Sorry, getting used to things [15:15] <ogra_> theadmin, please dont interfere with the meeting [15:15] <NCommander> But I also have ARM server news [15:15] <theadmin> ogra_: Understood. [15:15] <NCommander> armadaxp finally has a usable kernel git tree [15:16] <ogra_> theadmin, NCommander is the meeting chairt, only the chair can change topics and we try to keep the meeting short [15:16] <janimo> NCommander, great [15:16] <ogra_> yay [15:16] <rbasak> \o/ [15:16] <NCommander> Using my gitified marvell patches, cooloney made them less crack, then we ported the Marvell sauce onto the oneiric tree [15:16] <NCommander> So we went from 3.0.15->3.0.17 with Marvell [15:17] <NCommander> We'll now track oneiric-updates, so we'll have security and updates for Armada until oneiric goes EOL [15:17] <ogra_> wow, two micro versions ! [15:17] <ogra_> enormous [15:17] <ogra_> :P [15:17] <NCommander> ogra_: it wasn't a small job, the tree we got was based off an ubuntu tree of unknown origin, which required a ton of patch sorting and fun [15:17] <rbasak> Are there any plans to bring it up to precise? [15:18] <rbasak> Or will it stay based on oneiric indefinitely? [15:18] <NCommander> rbasak: Marvell has been told that weneed a 3.2 kernel. We won't be doing the work to port it [15:18] <rbasak> OK, thanks [15:18] <NCommander> rbasak: the armadaxp kernel will go into precise, its simply tracking oneiric since there tree is on the same major as oneiric's [15:18] <rbasak> Right [15:19] <NCommander> Unlessa 3.2 kernel magically materializes before release, armada xp will be a universe supported flavor [15:20] <ogra_> even though the kernel package will live somewhere else :) [15:20] <NCommander> infinity and I are making the necessary demonic sacirifices to get d-i to work properly like that with netboot images [15:20] <NCommander> ogra_: no, the kernel going in universe, we decided to fix d-i [15:20] <ogra_> NCommander, the kernel will go to main [15:20] <ogra_> we have approval and all [15:20] <NCommander> we did? [15:20] <NCommander> *do [15:20] <NCommander> Damn [15:20] <ogra_> no d-i hacjking required [15:21] <NCommander> we weren't goingto hijack d-i [15:21] <ogra_> unless that changed since tuesday [15:21] <NCommander> d-i was simply going to pull in the universe udebs during the buildstep [15:21] <NCommander> but we got approval for unsupported kernel in main, then yay [15:21] <ogra_> we have release team approval, the kernel package will be in main, but unsupported and not in the manifest [15:21] <davidm> NCommander, kernel in main [15:21] <NCommander> oh [15:21] <NCommander> davidm: awesome [15:22] <NCommander> That makes life insanely less complicated [15:22] <ogra_> (if you would read the team reports you would know btw :P ) [15:22] <janimo> NCommander, although d-i supporting universe kernels would have been useful in the future for other flavours [15:22] <janimo> or for current mx53 [15:22] <NCommander> Anyway, I'm shacking loosing the last of the packaging bugs (linux-armadaxp tried to build on amd64 for one) [15:23] <NCommander> But we should see an upload into NEW byEOD today or tomorrow [15:23] <mahmoh> NCommander: how soon do we expect a kernel in main? [15:23] <ogra_> janimo, thats super tricky since there (flasely) is a way to get rid of unwanted udebs by moving them to universe ... [15:23] <NCommander> mahmoh: once it is approved from NEW, it goes into universe. Just needs a MIR to promote [15:23] <ogra_> janimo, making d-i universe aware would break a lot through that [15:23] <janimo> ogra_, I am not arguing it is tricky to accomplish, but it is useful :) [15:24] <NCommander> janimo: its probably easier to get release/kernel team blessings to dump an unsupported kernel in main [15:24] <ogra_> janimo, yes, but we would have to fix that broken concept alongside [15:24] <janimo> NCommander, but then it means it is supported. Are there no cases to want it unoficcially supported but workng with d-i. Is netinstall not such a use case? [15:25] <ogra_> else we break x86 stuff [15:25] <ogra_> which is not wanted before an LTS [15:25] <NCommander> janimo: I proposed the solution of rm -r universe [15:25] <NCommander> janimo: historically, we've had a few packages inmain that are unsupported [15:25] <janimo> NCommander, I can get behind such a command [15:25] <NCommander> linux-ports being the poster child for that trope [15:26] * GrueMaster wonders if this is a topic for Kernel Status? [15:26] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:26] <NCommander> Right [15:26] <NCommander> ok [15:26] <NCommander> I think we pretty muchcovered the current kernel status [15:26] <NCommander> Anything else to bring up [15:26] <janimo> ac100 new test deb based on a 3.0.19 upstream advertised on the ac100 ml [15:26] <ogra_> janimo has a new ac100 kernel coming :) [15:27] <ogra_> and mx5 seems sorted [15:27] * NCommander just got an armel/powerpc FTBFS on linux-armadaxp [15:27] <janimo> once marvin puts it in his stable, not exp branch [15:27] <NCommander> WOOO [15:27] <NCommander> Packaging needs to be hit with a brick [15:27] <ogra_> yeah [15:27] <janimo> NCommander, I would have been more worried if that build succeeded [15:27] <GrueMaster> mx5 kernel still needs work. It still doesn't support USB on the newer rev board. [15:27] <NCommander> janimo: its still running on i386 >.>; [15:27] <ogra_> and even more if it worked :) [15:28] <ogra_> GrueMaster, dont use USB then :P [15:28] * ogra_ hides behind a chair [15:28] * NCommander facepalms [15:28] <janimo> GrueMaster, we should get a 3.2 mx5 kernel sometime, this is 3.1 . [15:28] <GrueMaster> For a desktop image not to use keyboard/mouse...difficult. [15:28] <ogra_> pfft [15:28] <ogra_> be creative ! [15:28] <NCommander> write a script [15:28] <ogra_> use your soldering skills ... its a dev board after all [15:29] <GrueMaster> oem-config doesn't use preseed other wise I would. [15:29] <NCommander> ^- ogra_ [15:29] <NCommander> Care to fix that? :-) [15:29] <GrueMaster> And I refuse to molest any of my stock dev boards. [15:29] <ogra_> NCommander, yes, after FF [15:29] <ogra_> its tasked [15:30] <NCommander> cool [15:30] <GrueMaster> Soldering iron == bad touch. [15:30] <ogra_> try the other side :P [15:30] <NCommander> ew [15:30] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:30] <NCommander> libo is broken [15:30] <NCommander> mono is broken [15:30] <NCommander> four letter words are broken [15:30] <janimo> given back empathy anf gnome-games on armhf [15:30] <GrueMaster> No, say it isn't so.... [15:31] <janimo> armel is still waiting for the fixed mesa to build [15:31] <NCommander> janimo: package name? I'll rescore [15:31] <ogra_> upstart seems to need some love [15:31] <janimo> NCommander, waiting for build to finish, it has started 8 h ago [15:31] <janimo> finished in 1h:30 on armhf [15:31] <ogra_> and indeed qtwebkit [15:31] <janimo> we need more pandas in the build center [15:31] <NCommander> janimo: ow [15:32] <ogra_> well, all images failed due to empathy/gnome-games [15:32] <ogra_> (but thats for a later topic) [15:32] <janimo> due to mesa egl not providing some deps [15:32] <janimo> so not actually a change in those gnome apps [15:32] <NCommander> movingon [15:32] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:33] <ogra_> awww, did they switcfh them to clutter ? [15:33] <ogra_> well, all images failed due to empathy/gnome-games [15:33] <ogra_> :) [15:33] <janimo> ogra_, I think gnome games has been using clutter for a long time [15:33] * ogra_ likes his "up" key [15:33] <janimo> empathy, no idea. [15:33] <ogra_> k [15:33] <ogra_> we should test performance then [15:33] <janimo> empathy uses every technology [15:33] <ogra_> GrueMaster, can you do a quick check with your next desktop tests ? [15:33] <ogra_> just to see if they are still usable [15:34] <GrueMaster> Check what? [15:34] <ogra_> (i.e. play mahjongg for 5 min) [15:34] <GrueMaster> WHAT?!?!? Me play a game??? [15:34] <ogra_> not sure how to test empathy [15:34] * GrueMaster shuders [15:34] <ogra_> you could try a voip call or so [15:34] <janimo> I think we should drop games altogether and let people use games in their browser [15:34] <ogra_> ++ [15:34] <ogra_> tell that to -desktop though [15:34] <NCommander> GrueMaster: try playing Skyrim with qemu-user-i386 + wine on ARM [15:35] <GrueMaster> Yea, I'll check them [15:35] <ogra_> NCommander, qemu-x86 wont run [15:35] <GrueMaster> Erm, no. [15:35] <janimo> well if I was in charge I'd drop empathy too and the whole telepathy baggage [15:35] <ogra_> threading issues i was told by linaro [15:35] <janimo> but I am not [15:35] <GrueMaster> Alien Arena on panda might be interesting though. [15:35] <ogra_> cant make it work [15:35] <ogra_> well, thats all about images i had :) [15:36] <NCommander> nethack works great on ARM, what other game do you need? [15:36] <GrueMaster> Zork works too. [15:36] * NCommander does wish Dwarf Fortress was opensource so he could 1. package it 2.compile it on ARM [15:36] <GrueMaster> Just saying. [15:36] <ogra_> well, wait until nethack gets switched to clutter too [15:36] <NCommander> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH\ [15:36] <NCommander> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [15:36] <ogra_> upstream has funny ideas lately [15:36] <ogra_> to clutter the world etc [15:38] <janimo> nethack too works in a browser I hear [15:38] <janimo> we need less apps in the image, so we have fewer bugs [15:38] <janimo> :) [15:38] <ogra_> haha [15:38] <ogra_> NCommander, move ? [15:39] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) [15:39] <GrueMaster> Spot tested 20120207.1 desktop armhf images yesterday. mx5 had a few issues (HDMI addon board had it confused, and START-R still doesn't see USB). [15:39] <GrueMaster> Also worked up a few scripts to start testing on arm server (LAMP, Ruby on Rails, suspend/resume). [15:40] <GrueMaster> Tested the 3.0.17 kernel on armadaxp. The Marvell patches do something wacky to mmap, it fails to allocate above 2900M. [15:41] <GrueMaster> That bug was fixed in all other arm kernels (bug 861296). [15:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 861296 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296 [15:42] <GrueMaster> Starting to dive into power meter testing today/tomorrow. Hope to have some data starting next week. [15:42] <GrueMaster> Not much else to report. Just lots of work going on. [15:43] <ogra_> http://image.img-erento.com/20171/5073643_dia_2.jpg [15:43] <ogra_> power meter testing ? [15:43] <NCommander> [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) [15:43] * rsalveti waves [15:43] <GrueMaster> Using a power meter to measure system amp load while running. [15:43] <rsalveti> we're all busy at connect mostly this week [15:44] <rsalveti> but we worked on helping fixing a bunch of multiarch related packages [15:44] <rsalveti> and the cross buildd is almost ready, just fixing the web interface to be easy to use [15:44] <ogra_> GrueMaster, i was referring to the pic :) [15:44] <rsalveti> another good thing is that riku is now working on trying to get libreoffice to build and work for armhf [15:45] * ogra_ humps rsalveti's leg [15:45] <rsalveti> NCommander: just make sure you send everything you had in the past [15:45] <rsalveti> if you didn't do it already [15:45] <GrueMaster> So, another duplication of effort? Great. [15:45] <ogra_> GrueMaster, no, a handover [15:45] <rsalveti> not duplication, we're working together on this [15:45] <NCommander> rsalveti: you have a time machine? [15:45] <rsalveti> :-) [15:46] <rsalveti> meanwhile steve is working on ruby and haskell I believe [15:46] <rsalveti> but it's probably not critical for the desktop [15:47] <rsalveti> should have a better report next week, once connect is done :-) [15:47] <rsalveti> but that's mostly it [15:47] <rsalveti> I asked the freescale LT to fix the imx53 3.2 kernel [15:47] <rsalveti> we'll see how it goes [15:48] <rsalveti> questions? [15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, do you know about omap4 sgc for armhf? [15:49] <janimo> omap3 [15:49] <janimo> sorry [15:49] <ogra_> rsalveti, is anyone ever looking at chromium again ? [15:49] <rsalveti> janimo: we hope that koen will get this fixed and released soon [15:49] <ogra_> i wonder what we should do with it, the binary in the archive is three releases old [15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, ok thanks [15:49] <rsalveti> I'll talk with him next week, but he was working on getting it available for angstrom [15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: if we get a new release, we update [15:50] <rsalveti> otherwise we'll just kill it for now [15:50] <NCommander> anything else [15:50] <rsalveti> I believe we'll get it at some point, not yet sure for precise [15:50] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, there were three (or four) new releases [15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: is chromium broken again? [15:50] <ogra_> it didnt build since natty [15:51] <ogra_> or even before [15:51] <rsalveti> I remember riku said it was fixed, maybe with debian, will ping him today [15:51] <rsalveti> .. :-) [15:52] <ogra_> i think he only made it cross buildable [15:52] <ogra_> it still fails in the archive [15:52] <rsalveti> well, if it works by cross building it there's hope to have it working natively [15:52] <ogra_> right, iirc there were issues with ffmpeg or so [15:53] <ogra_> riku will likely know more [15:53] <rsalveti> #action rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed [15:53] <meetingology> ACTION: rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed [15:53] <ogra_> or micahg ... iirc he took over from riku but gave up [15:53] <rsalveti> #action rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3) [15:53] <meetingology> ACTION: rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3) [15:54] <NCommander> [topic] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:55] <NCommander> closing the meeting out in 3 [15:55] <NCommander> 2 [15:55] <NCommander> 1 [15:55] <NCommander> #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 15:55:11 2012 UTC. [15:55] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-09-15.00.moin.txt [15:55] <meetingology> Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-09-15.00.html
Action Items
- rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed
- rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3)
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