[09:58:26] <rob> vb isn't much berrer
[09:58:29] <cef> I'll stick to little creatures
[09:58:55] <pschulz01> Hmmmmm... little creatures.
[09:58:57] <rob> I'll drubj carlton draught though :)
[09:58:59] <rob> bah
[09:59:04] <rob> s/drubj/drink
[09:59:12] <pschulz01> I'll be there in two weeks time.
[09:59:14] <rob> lesson 1) dont type whist eating cake
[09:59:35] <pschulz01> 30 seconds...
[09:59:50] <cef> Fujitsu: of note:
[09:59:55] <pschulz01> 10..
[09:59:57] * Fujitsu notes.
[09:59:57] <cef> <-- Ex LUV president
[10:00:01] <pschulz01> 5..
[10:00:03] <Fujitsu> Nice!
[10:00:05] <Fujitsu> No.
[10:00:08] <Fujitsu> We are 5 seconds in!
[10:00:09] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:00:13] * Fujitsu bangs hammer on desk.
[10:00:21] * kgoetz farts
[10:00:24] <Fujitsu> I call to order the second fortnightly meeting of the Ubuntu AustralianTeam.
[10:00:39] * rob burps
[10:00:51] * kev1n is in order
[10:01:05] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:01:15] <Fujitsu> Now, tonight's meeting structure will be different to last time.
[10:01:28] <rob> ...
[10:01:30] <Fujitsu> The points will be gone over at first... Then we will discuss later.
[10:01:45] <rob> odd but ok :)
[10:01:56] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:02:07] <Fujitsu> First on the agenda is:
[10:02:21] <Fujitsu> Adding pages to the wiki about why members should join.
[10:02:42] <Fujitsu> As well as what members actually do, like the CanadianTeam.
[10:02:57] <rob> Fujitsu, so do you want us to discuss this now or what?
[10:03:03] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:03:07] <kgoetz> lol
[10:03:18] * kgoetz thinks Fujitsu got a bit involved in being bos
[10:03:18] <Fujitsu> I think we discuss it now, actually.
[10:03:27] <rob> otherwise, its just a listing of everything on the wiki page, which we can read
[10:03:44] <ndazza> link to the wiki page plz?
[10:03:44] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:03:52] <YukiCuss> ndazza, http://ubuntu.com.au/go/wiki
[10:03:54] <ndazza> ta
[10:04:03] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:04:12] <Fujitsu> Can we have some discussion? :)
[10:04:13] <rob> meeting agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
[10:04:23] <rob> is Andrew Swinn here?
[10:04:31] <kgoetz> what exactly are we discussing? the pages existance, or what to put there?
[10:04:36] <Fujitsu> I think it's a good idea, but somebody has to work out what to put there.
[10:04:42] <Fujitsu> Both, I guess, kgoetz.
[10:04:54] <Fujitsu> I was wondering if Andrew was here...
[10:05:05] <rendhalver> how about we have an Ideas page where people put ideas for what goes on the page
[10:05:12] <cef> the canadian stuff looks like a good template to start from
[10:05:17] <rob> I'd just like to make the point that if you put something on the agenda, please ensure you attend meetings, otherwise please post to the mailing list instead
[10:05:23] <Fujitsu> The Canadian stuff does look good, but I am biased.
[10:05:30] <YukiCuss> rob, good idea; to write onto the page itself.
[10:05:33] <Fujitsu> Good idea, rob.
[10:05:38] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, the issue is that we end up getting `Ideas' pages for every single page there is.
[10:05:55] * Fujitsu wonders where Phlosten is...
[10:06:18] <Fujitsu> OK, anybody got any ideas for it other than the CanadianTeam has?
[10:06:31] <rendhalver> or we have a generic ideas page for general plotting and scheming?
[10:06:33] <ndazza> there's a Discussion page for every single wikipedia article, perhaps that's not such a dumb idea?
[10:06:46] <Phlosten> sorry
[10:06:47] <Phlosten> im here
[10:06:49] <Fujitsu> The Ubuntu wiki appears not to have talk pages..
[10:06:51] <Phlosten> *waves*
[10:06:51] <Fujitsu> Ahh.
[10:06:53] <Fujitsu> Hi, Phlosten.
[10:07:01] <rendhalver> hrm
[10:07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: i think one page for general page discustion would work
[10:07:13] <Phlosten> gimme a sec, i'll read what has happened so far
[10:07:18] <rob> I think Goals should be laid out on the main .au wiki page
[10:07:23] <rendhalver> :)
[10:07:28] <rendhalver> yeah
[10:07:30] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser && kgoetz, why the multiple connections? :S
[10:07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> re a reason to join - it should be on the main page
[10:07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's a selling point
[10:07:45] <rob> .au specific resources also
[10:07:45] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, an overview on the main page, perhaps.
[10:07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: i'm working on 2 computers :s, i'll try to post from ehre
[10:08:04] <Phlosten> it wasnt my initial suggestion, it came from mathewv originally
[10:08:11] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:08:16] <Fujitsu> And he left 5 minutes ago.
[10:08:35] * rob wonders why Futurama is on at the same time as this :(
[10:08:37] <Phlosten> last meeting he was here and he asked about what we do etc etc
[10:08:45] <Fujitsu> OK, it seems pretty quiet... Any more discussion?
[10:09:02] <Fujitsu> There doesn't seem to be much we can actually discuss on this at this point.
[10:09:12] <rob> nope, mailing list ->
[10:09:26] <rendhalver> i shall join that in a bit as well
[10:09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i did have some comments about the first page draft looked li8ke you join the page and your instantly working for ubuntu in schools/busnes etc. we want to be a bit more anyone can join and work on projects if they want, right?
[10:09:30] <Fujitsu> Probably a good idea. It will require a bit of pondering.
[10:09:42] <Fujitsu> Of course, Kamping_Kaiser.
[10:10:12] <rob> any more?
[10:10:28] <Fujitsu> OK, so move to mailing list and/or next weeks meeting?
[10:10:32] <Fujitsu> *week's
[10:10:42] <rob> Fujitsu, do a minutes up and post to list
[10:10:46] <Phlosten> a quick summary text is what we need, to rope in people with ideas
[10:11:02] <Fujitsu> Phlosten, yes.
[10:11:21] <Fujitsu> So, anybody got any more points on this?
[10:11:25] <Fujitsu> Or shall we move on?
[10:11:36] <rob> ok
[10:11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> move on. people will think of points later
[10:11:38] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:11:40] <Fujitsu> Moving on.
[10:11:50] <Fujitsu> Next, the website/forum, or the need for one.
[10:12:02] <rob> YukiCuss?
[10:12:05] <pschulz01> (Pick me.. need to leave soon)
[10:12:18] <YukiCuss> rob, I'm just listening.
[10:12:18] <rob> ok shoot pschulz01
[10:12:20] <Fujitsu> It's in progress at the moment.
[10:12:27] <Fujitsu> OK, not really much to discuss on this front.
[10:12:29] <Fujitsu> OK, pschulz01.
[10:12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> can we susptend the website and listen to pschulz01
[10:12:36] <rob> YukiCuss, you put the agenda item up, what ideas do you have?
[10:12:38] <pschulz01> As an example of a project..
[10:12:46] <pschulz01> I plan on running an information booth at Connecting Up 06, hopefully with some sponsorship from Linux Australia.
[10:12:48] <pschulz01> he details are on my Wiki Page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulSchulz
[10:12:56] <pschulz01> I have 300 Ubuntu CD's on the way (via Shipit).
[10:12:58] <rendhalver> cool
[10:13:00] <pschulz01> I would also like to add Not-for-profit as an 'official project' and add it to the project page.
[10:13:07] <Fujitsu> A good idea, pschulz01.
[10:13:13] <pschulz01> ANother idea.. I have some other ideas as well, like creating a tool to automatically upload software onto a USB keys. USB's can then be sold at an event, and preloaded with software like 'PortableApps'. It's not stricly Ubuntu, but promoting FLOSS software.
[10:13:15] <rob> sounds good
[10:13:27] <Fujitsu> A nice idea, pschulz01!
[10:13:29] <rendhalver> spiffy
[10:13:35] <rob> umm what about the OpenCD pschulz01? much cheaper
[10:13:40] <Fujitsu> True.
[10:13:48] <YukiCuss> pschulz01, it'll be good if we brand it as a work of the Ubuntu AU team anyway, as it will be promotion for us too.
[10:13:50] <rendhalver> i have server space i can put stuff on if needed
[10:14:02] <rob> we can add branding to the OpenCD via stickers etc
[10:14:06] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, neat. Though, we have plenty on ubuntu.com.au.
[10:14:08] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, we have a dedicated server :)
[10:14:13] <rendhalver> cool
[10:14:13] <pschulz01> I love TheOpenCD,, but I have to get them somehow..
[10:14:15] <ndazza> the ubuntu live cds currently have a small windows gizmo on it with some FLOSS and ubuntu-type stuff... maybe that could be migrated for this project
[10:14:23] <rendhalver> i have one for my business
[10:14:25] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:14:31] <Fujitsu> This has sort of migrated to another point.
[10:14:37] <rob> pschulz01, well I have a couple here, but around SFD they create a new one
[10:14:39] <rendhalver> its likely to have lots of linuxy stuff on there anyway
[10:15:05] <rob> rendhalver, no, its all windows FOSS apps plus Ubuntu live
[10:15:16] <pschulz01> I would love to distibute a 'TheOpenCD' branded for unbuntu-au..
[10:15:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob: so it's a rebranded ubuntu live?
[10:15:31] <Fujitsu> pschulz01, perhaps.
[10:15:36] <rendhalver> yep i have seen those
[10:15:51] <Fujitsu> So ours will be a rebranded rebranded Ubuntu LiveCD :)
[10:15:52] <pschulz01> Thanks for that everyone. Please add your ideas to the page when I sort that out.
[10:15:58] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:16:00] <rendhalver> cool
[10:16:02] <pschulz01> That is all.
[10:16:03] <rob> Kamping_Kaiser, kind of.. but also contains Windows FOSS apps that are install-able off the cd
[10:16:07] <Fujitsu> Anybody have anything to say on the website?
[10:16:09] <Phlosten> are these going to be nice looking printed cd's?
[10:16:13] <ndazza> rob: so does ubuntu live
[10:16:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob: so *more* winfoss... (anway, OT)
[10:16:30] <rob> possibly
[10:16:41] <ndazza> Kamping_Kaiser: the open cd has more stuff for windows and a minimal ubuntu live, the idea is that the ubuntu live has equivalent versions of the windows stuff
[10:16:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ndazza: right oh
[10:17:01] <Fujitsu> Anything on the website, or do we move onto the next point?
[10:17:12] <pschulz01> Thanks...
[10:17:14] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, we need to get it up. As simple as that.
[10:17:14] <rendhalver> do we really need a webpage when we have the wiki page?
[10:17:29] <YukiCuss> pschulz01, thank you!
[10:17:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> website yes, forums no (imo)
[10:17:36] <rob> its not as important as we speak English here..
[10:17:38] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, the webpage can easily disseminate a lot of information.
[10:17:43] <Fujitsu> It isn't as important, no.
[10:17:44] <rendhalver> i guess it depends what we want to put on it
[10:17:54] <rob> most other countries have localized docs etc on their web sites
[10:17:56] <Fujitsu> However, wiki pages can be quite limiting.
[10:18:01] <YukiCuss> At the moment, I think a mailinglist works for us. People have been communicating well on it thus far.
[10:18:11] <Fujitsu> A mailing list is fine for the moment.
[10:18:13] <Fujitsu> Evening, bimberi.
[10:18:15] <YukiCuss> bimberi!
[10:18:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would prefer linking to an ubuntu au site then a wiki for 'offical info'
[10:18:38] <bimberi> gah, couldn't sneak in late could i - hi all :)
[10:18:48] <rob> all good bimberi
[10:18:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bimberi
[10:19:09] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, wouldn't the Wiki be the less official place?
[10:19:11] <ndazza> i like the pure-wiki idea
[10:19:13] <YukiCuss> Considering its dynamic nature.
[10:19:20] <Fujitsu> Well, I think a dedicated Ubuntu-AU website is probably useful.
[10:19:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: yeh.
[10:19:29] <Fujitsu> A huge number of wiki pages can get very messy.
[10:19:34] <YukiCuss> ndazza, I believe that, even a pure-wiki is alright, but we should host our own. wiki.ubuntu.com will get crowded.
[10:19:40] <Fujitsu> And can be edited by everybody...
[10:19:56] <rendhalver> and the wiki isn't hosted in .au so website would be quicker
[10:19:58] <quail_linux> sort of here atm
[10:20:00] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, it's proven, that is not an issue.
[10:20:09] <rendhalver> i am guessing the server is in .au?
[10:20:14] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, no, actually.
[10:20:15] <rob> rendhalver, hardly
[10:20:18] <rendhalver> ah
[10:20:19] <YukiCuss> We're sharing it with a few other places.
[10:20:19] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, no.
[10:20:21] <ndazza> k, so what audience is the website meant to address? members or the general public?
[10:20:28] <Fujitsu> ndazza, everybody.
[10:20:36] <Phlosten> i like the idea of a website that could host tutorials and thing written by our team
[10:20:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ndazza: those busnesses we want to talk to ;0
[10:20:41] <cef> perhaps then a wiki with a front end webpage - that way it looks official and would stop random people editing the first impression people get of us
[10:21:10] <ndazza> Phlosten: i think a wiki serves that purpose just as well, if not better
[10:21:23] <YukiCuss> cef, I think a Wiki could allow us a resource to lock the front page somehow.
[10:21:27] <ndazza> cef: good idea
[10:21:32] <Fujitsu> Probably, YukiCuss.
[10:21:42] <rendhalver> some wiki's do that dont they?
[10:21:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can lock wiki pages
[10:21:45] <rob> YukiCuss, good luck.. its hard to get anyone onto that
[10:21:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> in wikipedia
[10:22:00] <Fujitsu> rob, what do you mean?
[10:22:11] <cef> YukiCuss: some do.. .not sure on moin though.. last I looked at moin I found nothing on how to lock pages
[10:22:28] <rendhalver> depends on the wiki i think
[10:22:28] <rob> UserDocumentation isn't locked from memory, and should be
[10:22:36] <Phlosten> generally i dont like wiki's
[10:22:41] <YukiCuss> cef, hmm, administration might provide, but still, noted..
[10:22:45] <rendhalver> i know dokuwiki does acl
[10:22:47] <ndazza> I like the idea of using a website to provide information to the public, it's more presentable/flexible
[10:22:58] <rob> Moin does acl too, it just the docteam doesn't control it
[10:23:00] <rendhalver> yeah
[10:23:07] <ndazza> the wiki can be for quick member-oriented stuff or collaborative efforts
[10:23:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> wikis and cms's both have issues that can be realy anoying for simple static content (which is what i think ubuntu-au should be)
[10:23:35] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:23:42] <rendhalver> and we cant customise the wiki much
[10:23:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't want another login :s
[10:23:54] <cef> ubuntu uses moinmoin, and wikipedia uses mediawiki. we probably want to stick with moinmoin really, that way we can easily snarf/adapt/push-pull content back and forth (if we go separate that is)
[10:23:54] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, true.
[10:24:09] <Phlosten> Kamping_Kaiser, ditto
[10:24:14] <rendhalver> if we are tricky we can auth against launchpad :)
[10:24:22] <rob> stick with moin if going to split, I'd not like to see a split though
[10:24:32] <Fujitsu> I think we need a seperate wiki, as wiki.ubuntu.com will get cluttered and messy.
[10:24:33] <rendhalver> ther is a cool apache mod that lets you do that
[10:25:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> if ubuntu-au wants a playground, do i t in our wiki space from ubuntu. try and keep our site as static (backned wise) as possible
[10:25:13] <rendhalver> but that requires actual access to the apache server
[10:25:15] <cef> rob: I don't see the point really. if we use a static front page, it removes the need to lock pages, (which is the real issue I guess)
[10:25:38] <Fujitsu> OK, so can we have an idea of who likes which?
[10:25:56] <rob> moin for compatibilty, familiurarity
[10:26:04] <rob> bah futurama
[10:26:12] <kev1n> i am not tech savvy...so i will refrain from giving an opinion on this one
[10:26:16] * bimberi prefers moin
[10:26:20] <bimberi> rob: get a tivo!
[10:26:28] <rob> heh yep
[10:26:33] <ndazza> i like static front page/informational pages for the general public, ubuntu wiki for everything else
[10:26:49] <Fujitsu> I mean, more along the lines of stick with wiki.ubuntu.com, seperate wiki, or seperate website...
[10:26:51] <cef> I'm with ndazza on that one
[10:26:52] <rob> +1 ndazza
[10:27:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ndazza: +1
[10:27:10] <Fujitsu> There is a fair bit of stuff which would best be presented as a classic website.
[10:27:17] <Fujitsu> ndazza: +1.
[10:27:34] <rendhalver> wiki is good for the collaboration stuff but an actual website will be good for general public
[10:27:45] <Fujitsu> Anybody else here to vote?
[10:28:02] <Kamping_Kaiser>
[10:28:10] * ndazza growls
[10:28:12] <YukiCuss> ndazza, unsure.
[10:28:24] <Fujitsu> Well, one is unsure.
[10:28:32] <YukiCuss> Heh, sorry guys. :)
[10:28:43] <rob> YukiCuss, any thoughts?
[10:28:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol score: 3:1:0
[10:28:48] <YukiCuss> ndazza, when you say `ubuntu wiki,' do you mean, on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[10:28:48] <Fujitsu> I'll take that result as a yes, for now.
[10:28:52] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, pause.
[10:29:00] <ndazza> YukiCuss: yes
[10:29:03] <Fujitsu> Noted, YukiCuss. Tentative yes.
[10:29:05] <YukiCuss> ndazza, ah.
[10:29:19] <YukiCuss> I'd still prefer to host our own wiki, even if we have it along side our info pages.
[10:29:20] <cef> Kamping_Kaiser: that's 4, not 3
[10:29:34] <YukiCuss> ie. ubuntu.com.au <- general public, info .. wiki.ubuntu.com.au <- members info, getting into things.
[10:29:39] <Fujitsu> I think it better to host our own wiki, in that case.
[10:29:50] <YukiCuss> If someone comes across to have a look at our (independent) Wiki, they'll see the community active and how we work on our own.
[10:29:54] <Fujitsu> Our own wiki could very easily grow to a huge size/
[10:30:05] <rob> I think wiki.com is better as its part of the Ubuntu wiki and can be found via it
[10:30:13] <YukiCuss> rob, .... ?
[10:30:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: they wont see some people active, because they don't want to create another login to another wiki....
[10:30:17] <cef> YukiCuss: how about we defer our own wiki for the moment? if we stick to moin we can always easily migrate the content in the future?
[10:30:20] <rob> bah let me rephrase..
[10:30:25] <Fujitsu> Having lots of subpages on wiki.ubuntu.com is going to be nasty.
[10:30:53] <rob> I think wiki.ubuntu.com is better as it keeps all our wiki stuff with the rest of the Ubuntu project
[10:31:07] <YukiCuss> rob, the problem is in that the rest of the Ubuntu project is somewhat sprawled over that wiki.
[10:31:12] <rob> having to go to a different wiki and sign up for yet another account is unnecessassary
[10:31:21] <YukiCuss> To have our own neat, organised hierarchy of pages within all that is a bit of an odd thing.
[10:31:23] <rendhalver> yeah
[10:31:29] <rob> wow I suck tonight
[10:31:29] <YukiCuss> Obviously, there's the accounting problem.
[10:31:32] <YukiCuss> If only we could get around it.
[10:31:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> accounting? meaning accounts?
[10:31:58] <Fujitsu> It might be possible to authenticate against Launchpad... SOmehow wiki.ubuntu.com does it.
[10:32:06] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, yes.
[10:32:13] <rob> Fujitsu, maybe, but why bother?
[10:32:30] <rob> just keep it all on the Ubuntu wiki.. don't reinvent the wheel
[10:32:46] <rendhalver> i know there is an apache mod that lets you autj against an external url
[10:32:51] <rendhalver> auth even
[10:33:01] <cef> how about we go ahead with wiki.ubuntu.com for the moment, develop a front end static page and deploy it, and investigate the auth issue to see what we can do?
[10:33:13] <YukiCuss> cef, since we're at a stalemate right now, that sounds like a good ideqa.
[10:33:15] <YukiCuss> idea*
[10:33:17] <Fujitsu> A good idea.
[10:33:20] <ndazza> +1 cef
[10:33:22] <Fujitsu> OK, deferring for a while.
[10:33:26] <Fujitsu> +1 cef.
[10:33:30] <YukiCuss> Is everyone happy as for cef's idea?
[10:33:39] <bimberi> +1
[10:33:39] <rendhalver> and yeah keeping it on the ubuntu wiki is probably best since its a global project
[10:33:39] <rob> +1 cef - we don't even have any wiki content yet! :)
[10:33:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: i don't have much choise :)
[10:33:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> *s=e
[10:34:01] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, choiee? :)
[10:34:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[10:34:10] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:34:12] <rendhalver> i shall look into the auth thing if people want
[10:34:14] <cef> rob: which makes it easy to move if we move.
[10:34:14] * Kamping_Kaiser slaps keyboard... its not my fault ;)
[10:34:19] <Fujitsu> Moving on to team leader...
[10:34:24] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, please.
[10:34:28] <rendhalver> cool
[10:34:43] <rob> cef, true but a waste of resources for now
[10:34:51] <rendhalver> i have lots of apache experience so shouldnt take me long
[10:35:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> grr.
[10:35:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: what about teamleader?
[10:35:10] <Fujitsu> Are we ready to move to the team leader?
[10:35:15] <rob> ok.. we have a choice here
[10:35:16] <rendhalver> i shall post on the ML when i find out
[10:35:24] <ndazza> i'd suggest it might be best if the team leader is in a capital city...
[10:35:26] <cef> Fujitsu: wether we need a teamleader depends entirely on what their responsibilities are?
[10:35:46] <ndazza> yeah, do we need one?
[10:35:58] <Phlosten> yes
[10:36:04] <Fujitsu> A team leader may be unnecessary.
[10:36:10] <cef> Fujitsu: though I believe we need someone to act as a media front end
[10:36:12] <rendhalver> i prefer a narcocyniciyst commune
[10:36:14] <Fujitsu> However, some teams seem to have worked better with one, and some without.
[10:36:16] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, o_o
[10:36:21] <rendhalver> sorry
[10:36:31] <rendhalver> Monty Pythin reference
[10:36:33] <bimberi> rendhalver: peasant! :P
[10:36:38] <rendhalver> Pythin even
[10:36:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:36:54] <cef> Fujitsu: what we probably need is at least a chairperson for meetings. you seem to be doing that job at the moment
[10:36:54] <rendhalver> gee typing module needs fixing today
[10:36:56] <rob> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact
[10:37:15] <YukiCuss> cef, so far I've been talking to (most) people.
[10:37:28] <Fujitsu> At this point YukiCuss has been team leader and contact.
[10:37:30] <YukiCuss> At least, due to being the contact.
[10:37:30] <Phlosten> we do 'need' a team leader for the purpose of Ubuntu to recognise us
[10:37:35] <rob> ok, bit of a paste here:
[10:37:35] <rob> *
[10:37:37] <rendhalver> yeah Fujitsu is definitely doing a good job of Chair
[10:37:37] <rob> is active in, and part of, their LoCo Team. He or she is visible and accessible.
[10:37:37] <rob> *
[10:37:37] <rob> might want to follow the ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-announce, and/or ubuntu-news mailing lists.
[10:37:37] <rob> *
[10:37:37] <rob> keeps track on which team member is able to do what (translate, help install Ubuntu, organize meetings, ...)
[10:37:41] <rob> *
[10:37:44] <rob> is an Ubuntu Member. See [WWW] here for details.
[10:37:46] <rob> *
[10:37:48] <rob> maintains a list of regional contacts, as a mailing list or on the Web. This is useful for when people need local help, or just want real-world friends to chat with over a beverage-of-choice.
[10:37:48] <cef> YukiCuss: sounds fine to me
[10:37:50] <rob> *
[10:37:52] <rob> should step down gracefully if he or she is no longer able to serve. There is no shame and no harm in being too busy to do the job well, but there is in being too busy, not saying anything, and blocking the work of an entire group.
[10:37:56] <Phlosten> whether or not the team leader actually leads anything I dont really mind
[10:37:56] <rob> thats the requirements
[10:38:36] <ndazza> kay, so we need one for appearances at the least
[10:38:38] <rendhalver> so they are like a Glactic President?
[10:38:42] <cef> I just think that whoever is the media contact should contact Linux Australia, and ask them about media training. they train their own people for dealing with the media, and it'd be worthwhile to piggy-back on some of that experience
[10:38:48] <Fujitsu> Basically, rendhalver.
[10:38:57] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, also, the meeting chair has been fluid so far. It's a good idea to keep it going around, I think.
[10:39:05] <Fujitsu> Agreed, YukiCuss.
[10:39:18] <rendhalver> YukiCuss: yeah i find thats a good thing too
[10:39:22] <bimberi> rob: that's the contact page - there's also a Leader page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamLeader
[10:39:26] <rob> yep
[10:39:39] <bimberi> To me the wiki is inconsistent - it says contact "is an Ubuntu Member" and leader should "eventually, become an Ubuntu Member".
[10:39:50] <rob> I don't think we need a "Team Leader"
[10:39:54] <Fujitsu> It is inconsistent in many places, bimberi.
[10:39:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> beinga member, as in a @ubuntu.com member?
[10:40:05] <rob> Kamping_Kaiser, yep
[10:40:09] <bimberi> Fujitsu: of course - it's a wiki :)
[10:40:24] <rendhalver> well i am thinking ok doing the Dev thing
[10:40:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. full on
[10:40:34] <rendhalver> i got a package i want to port
[10:40:46] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, ..?
[10:40:46] <rendhalver> i used to be a Gentoo Dev for a while
[10:40:54] <rob> are there any other Ubuntu members here tonight?
[10:40:54] <bimberi> the pages are really someone's opinion - unsure of their status
[10:40:56] <cef> rendhalver: we forgive you. *grin*
[10:41:13] * ndazza is not a member
[10:41:17] <rendhalver> i still like Gentoo
[10:41:22] * cef is not a member either
[10:41:24] <YukiCuss> Let's try to keep it on topic ..
[10:41:26] <Phlosten> at least he wasnt a Microsoft developer
[10:41:28] <rendhalver> but not for everything
[10:41:34] * bimberi raises hand (confirmed last night)
[10:41:41] * Fujitsu thinks we should probably make a decision type thing.
[10:41:41] <rendhalver> been a linux geek since 1994
[10:41:43] <YukiCuss> bimberi, nice!
[10:41:48] <rendhalver> i dont think they would have me
[10:41:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi: congratulations
[10:41:53] * Fujitsu applauds bimberi.
[10:42:03] * rob would like to see the team contact discussion taken to the mailing list and discussed more
[10:42:03] <kev1n> bimberi congratulations
[10:42:03] <rendhalver> oooo
[10:42:05] <Fujitsu> Back on track...
[10:42:25] <bimberi> thanks all :-)
[10:42:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:42:43] <ndazza> well, i count 2 members so far...
[10:42:48] <Fujitsu> rob, probably a good idea. This will likely take a long time to discuss.
[10:42:54] <cef> I can't stay much longer.. mebbe 5 mins
[10:43:15] <rob> Fujitsu, yes, but I would like all Ubuntu members who are part of the .au team to be up for it if it is decided one is needed
[10:43:30] <rob> they know the community the best, and are respected the most within it
[10:43:34] <Fujitsu> Anybody against deferring it to the mailing list?
[10:43:52] <rendhalver> Fujitsu: sounds like a plan
[10:43:55] * bimberi is rebellious and is happy to ignore the wikipage
[10:44:03] <rob> a member also has more contact with Ubuntu, has signed the CoC etc
[10:44:26] <rob> all nesassary in my opinion
[10:44:26] <YukiCuss> rob, I think almost everyone's signed the CoC.. (or should)
[10:44:28] <Fujitsu> Moving on, then?
[10:44:34] <rendhalver> i signed the Coc yesterday
[10:44:39] <cef> Fujitsu: lets move on
[10:44:42] * bimberi agrees with CoC as a requirement
[10:44:42] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, please.
[10:44:49] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:44:49] <rendhalver> next
[10:44:54] <Fujitsu> Team contact is in a similar area.
[10:45:05] <Fujitsu> I think it's really been discussed already.
[10:45:05] <rob> Fujitsu, same boat.. skip it
[10:45:10] <Fujitsu> Deferred to mailing list.
[10:45:12] <rendhalver> yep
[10:45:16] <cef> Fujitsu: defer! defer! *grin*
[10:45:17] <Fujitsu> Meeting times.
[10:45:38] <Fujitsu> Tuesday conflicts with LUV and LinuxSA (IIRC).
[10:45:43] <rob> I don't really care what day, 8pm is good for me
[10:46:00] <cef> moving is probably good, but we need some sort of schedule
[10:46:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: LinuxSA yes, dunno about LUV
[10:46:02] * bimberi same as rob (if i get the kids in bed in time)
[10:46:11] <Fujitsu> rob, giving times in UTC would be nice. :)
[10:46:13] <rob> bimberi, I do
[10:46:15] <cef> Kamping_Kaiser: LUV yes
[10:46:15] <Fujitsu> Or a timezone at least.
[10:46:19] <rendhalver> i am flexible on times
[10:46:21] <rob> ok, 10:00 Z
[10:46:43] <bimberi> "
[10:46:50] <Fujitsu> "
[10:46:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> 8pm AEST
[10:46:59] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu and I both have evening school on Wednesday and Thursday, which complicates matters slightly (6 to 10pm), however we could probably miss a few of them to make 8pm.
[10:47:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> why bother with UTC?
[10:47:06] <rob> being the .au channel and .au group, I don't think UTC matters, we should be referring to time as AEST
[10:47:06] <cef> what week of the month is LinuxSA?
[10:47:25] <Fujitsu> rob, the entire of Australia isn't AEST.
[10:47:35] <ndazza> Kamping_Kaiser: because there's confusion between AEST and AEDT
[10:47:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: no, but it's a standard time
[10:47:40] <rob> Fujitsu, yes, but UTC is confusing the issue more
[10:47:42] * Kamping_Kaiser agrees with rob
[10:47:50] <YukiCuss> ndazza, and AWST, if such a thing exists. o_o;
[10:47:59] <Fujitsu> It would be nice if LinuxSA and LUV were on the same nights... That would make things easier :)
[10:48:03] <Fujitsu> Are they on the same nights?
[10:48:04] <Matthewv> rob whats wrong with date --utc??
[10:48:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> cef: i'm not sure. just looking it up
[10:48:18] <cef> guys: timeanddate.com - just post all AU timezones
[10:48:22] <rob> everyone pretty much lives in Australia.. use Australian time
[10:48:36] <ndazza> rob: there's 4 australian timezones (that i'm aware of)
[10:48:38] <Fujitsu> But there are multiple Australian times!
[10:48:43] <rob> I can work out UTC in my head in about 2 seconds.. but most people can't
[10:48:43] <rendhalver> but there is three timezones in .au isnt there?
[10:48:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.linuxsa.org.au/meetings/ (3rd tues)
[10:48:51] <Fujitsu> More than three, rendhalver.
[10:48:58] <rendhalver> yeah thats right
[10:48:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: 5
[10:49:01] <rob> ok.. most people live in +10, so use AEST
[10:49:03] <Fujitsu> A couple more during daylight savings.
[10:49:16] <YukiCuss> rob, it doesn't work that way.
[10:49:30] * Matthewv wishes he was most people, if thats the case rob :)
[10:49:32] <rob> using UTC is much worse then AEST
[10:49:36] <Phlosten> bah
[10:49:36] <ndazza> rob: most people don't live in +10 because of daylight savings time
[10:49:38] <YukiCuss> Otherwise the entire world would be saying, `most people live in +/- n, so use [x]ST'.
[10:49:39] * Kamping_Kaiser sugests internet time and laughs manically
[10:49:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> or UNIX TIME :D
[10:49:45] <cef> ok, suggestion for the times: use the X'd day of the week based on the X'd week of the month. eg: 1st week: monday, 2nd week: tuesday, 3rd week wednesday, 4th week thursday.
[10:49:51] <ndazza> rob: you and i are in +10 but people down south are not
[10:49:51] * YukiCuss suggests killing Kamping_Kaiser and doesn't laugh at all. He is serious. No internet time.
[10:49:54] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: lol
[10:50:01] <cef> recommend we skip the 5th week though.
[10:50:06] <rob> its much easier to add the hour or two to your time zone if needed.. you already do it for other things now
[10:50:23] <rob> using UTC is silly.. this isn't a us vs them thing
[10:50:28] <Phlosten> is daylight savings still happening anywhere?
[10:50:38] <Fujitsu> rob, it's easier if you know the UTC offset, than the AEST offset.
[10:50:46] <Fujitsu> Not as far as I know, Phlosten.
[10:50:54] * ndazza suggests a vote
[10:51:08] <Fujitsu> A good idea.
[10:51:10] <Phlosten> so therefore melb/syd/bris are all on same time?
[10:51:10] <cef> luv is 1st tuesday, linuxsa is 3rd tuesday. the above skips both (re: tuesdays)
[10:51:11] <rob> Fujitsu, how often do you ever use the UTC offset when taking to people in AU?
[10:51:13] <bimberi> i guess people in SA/NT/WA are pretty used to dealing with AEST
[10:51:19] <rob> bimberi, yes
[10:51:21] <bimberi> ?
[10:51:21] <Fujitsu> rob, I use UTC when talking times.
[10:51:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten: afaik 3timezones again
[10:51:35] <rob> Fujitsu, you are in the minority then
[10:51:39] <cef> is it that hard to list all the timezones?
[10:51:44] <Phlosten> thats only when DST is in effect
[10:51:49] <Fujitsu> cef, it is during daylight savings.
[10:51:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> not realy
[10:52:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> 5 lines to the wiki
[10:52:12] * Kamping_Kaiser can afford teh extra 50 k
[10:52:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> *b
[10:52:34] <Fujitsu> Let's take it to the polls!
[10:52:34] * ndazza doesn't have 50k... maybe if i sold my car
[10:52:34] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, so, we meet at 1145354400, then? :)
[10:52:48] <rendhalver> geek
[10:52:51] * ndazza votes UTC
[10:52:54] <Fujitsu> Who's for UTC?
[10:52:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss:
[10:52:58] <YukiCuss> UTC, yes.
[10:52:58] <Fujitsu> +1
[10:52:59] <rendhalver> yeah UTC
[10:53:01] * Matthewv utc
[10:53:03] * rob votes AEST
[10:53:03] <Fujitsu> 5...
[10:53:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> +1 AEST
[10:53:09] <Fujitsu> 5:1.
[10:53:11] <cef> then just use timeanddate.com's fixed world time thing: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=4&year=2006&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=152
[10:53:17] <YukiCuss> 5:2*
[10:53:17] <Phlosten> i'll vote utc if it ends the nonsense :)
[10:53:25] <cef> that's tonights current times. shows everywhere.
[10:53:27] <Fujitsu> 6:2?
[10:53:34] <cef> <-- Abstains
[10:53:34] <Phlosten> its the one thing that doesnt change
[10:53:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 subs :!
[10:53:40] * ndazza also thinks it's not so dumb showing all australian times on the wiki as well
[10:53:52] <YukiCuss> ndazza, smart.
[10:53:56] <Fujitsu> We can, ndazza, I think.
[10:54:09] <Fujitsu> However, we need a single time standard that we are going to use :)
[10:54:15] <cef> <-- I have to go
[10:54:17] <Phlosten> use UTC
[10:54:20] <Fujitsu> I think it must be UTC.
[10:54:21] <Fujitsu> Bye, cef.
[10:54:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> later cef
[10:54:26] <bimberi> bye cef
[10:54:28] <ndazza> yes, UTC as standard
[10:54:30] <Phlosten> thats the whole point of utc!
[10:54:32] <rendhalver> see ya cef
[10:54:36] <Fujitsu> Exactly, Phlosten.
[10:54:38] <YukiCuss> cef, bye.
[10:54:40] <Fujitsu> UTA!!!
[10:54:40] <rendhalver> indee
[10:54:46] <rendhalver> +d
[10:55:12] * Kamping_Kaiser sugests to YukiCuss we bring this up agaiin in 2038 (end of unix time)
[10:55:19] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:55:21] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, excellent idea. So, we meet at 0?
[10:55:22] <Fujitsu> UTC shall be used!
[10:55:29] <Fujitsu> Logo, now.
[10:55:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: 0 it shall be!
[10:55:54] <Fujitsu> Can people please look at the logo page, and pick one or two they like?
[10:56:01] <ndazza> oh, what was decided on which day to use? keep it the same?
[10:56:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> 8 and 9
[10:56:05] <rob> 8
[10:56:07] <rendhalver> [sarcasim]i think it should be pink and have ponies on it[/sarcasim]
[10:56:13] <Fujitsu> Hahaha. True, rendhalver.
[10:56:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:56:16] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, OMG!!! I <3 POINES!!!
[10:56:18] <YukiCuss> ponies*
[10:56:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> <3
[10:56:31] <YukiCuss> mina: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Logo
[10:56:33] <Fujitsu> I'm for #7.
[10:56:33] <rendhalver> bloody slashdot has infected us all
[10:56:44] <rob> ok, stay on topic :)
[10:56:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i only looked because someone said i should :S
[10:56:50] <rendhalver> the boomerang one looks cool
[10:56:56] <rendhalver> 8 isnt it
[10:57:05] <rob> rendhalver, yep
[10:57:13] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, I have heard it is barely indistinguishable from the Ubuntu one, at low res.
[10:57:18] <bimberi> #7
[10:57:20] <Fujitsu> And it probably conflicts with the trademark policy.
[10:57:24] <YukiCuss> Also, people should review http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy
[10:57:27] <rob> Fujitsu, yes, but the bits are curved
[10:57:27] <Fujitsu> I really like 7, as I said before.
[10:57:30] <rendhalver> Fujitsu: yeah that could be a problem
[10:57:51] <rob> YukiCuss, yes but if one gets the logo 'approved' then its ok
[10:58:05] * Kamping_Kaiser likes 6and7's inclusion of tas, buty still likes 9 more :)
[10:58:16] <rob> the last couple I think are bad.. rotating the logo like that is a no no
[10:58:21] <YukiCuss> rob, true for that.
[10:58:26] <rendhalver> how about we stick a southern cross under #8 or something
[10:58:30] <Fujitsu> Rotating the logo is a definite no.
[10:58:35] <Fujitsu> They explicitly forbid that.
[10:59:00] <rob> I like either 7 or 8.. the low-res thing doesn't bother me that much
[10:59:13] * bimberi mentions 7 again to boost the number of times it's mentioned
[10:59:27] * cef votes #7 then leaves
[10:59:29] <YukiCuss> 7 has been mentioned a fair bit.
[10:59:31] * Fujitsu requests a vote.
[10:59:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> 6 is liking me more then 7
[10:59:38] <Fujitsu> I think 7 is being leaned towards.
[10:59:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> +6
[10:59:42] <rendhalver> so we want something that works at 16x16 ?
[10:59:47] <rob> ok, please do + then a number now
[10:59:52] <rob> +8
[10:59:53] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, careful, if you get on 6's bad side, there'll be hell to pay.
[10:59:55] <bimberi> 7 works better at 16x16 (for Launchpad)
[10:59:57] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, it gets very low-contrast at the edges.
[10:59:59] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:00:04] <Fujitsu> Voting time.
[11:00:04] <Fujitsu> +7
[11:00:06] <bimberi> +7
[11:00:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: mayhap.
[11:00:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> +6
[11:00:27] <YukiCuss> +8
[11:00:28] <rob> anyone else?
[11:00:30] <ndazza> +8
[11:00:38] <rendhalver> hrm
[11:00:49] * Kamping_Kaiser defects to 7
[11:00:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> +7
[11:00:59] <YukiCuss> Here we go. ... :)
[11:01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser>
[11:01:16] <rendhalver> +7 i think due to the 16X16 thing
[11:01:21] * bimberi is waiting for the riot when kgoetz votes too :)
[11:01:36] <kgoetz> +7
[11:01:38] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:01:49] <bimberi> argh!
[11:01:55] <Fujitsu> OK...
[11:01:57] <rob> 8 =3 7 =5
[11:02:04] * Fujitsu counts the votes.
[11:02:05] <rob> 6 =1
[11:02:10] <YukiCuss> rob, strangest mathematical proof ever ...
[11:02:18] <YukiCuss> Actually, 6=0
[11:02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob: 6 was withdrawn
[11:02:21] <rob> ah
[11:02:33] <Fujitsu> I think 7 = win.
[11:02:35] <rob> basted! :P
[11:02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser>
[11:02:43] * YukiCuss kill you Fujitsu dead.
[11:02:53] * Fujitsu wins.
[11:02:59] <rob> 7 it is
[11:03:05] <Fujitsu> Now... The last item is not applicable.
[11:03:11] <YukiCuss> What was it?
[11:03:15] * Kamping_Kaiser wonders why, but it did :)
[11:03:22] <Fujitsu> The reports on the 20060328 meeting.
[11:03:28] <YukiCuss> Ah.
[11:03:36] <rob> no report?
[11:03:36] <YukiCuss> I think most have been transmitted by ML, haven't they?
[11:03:36] <Fujitsu> Which didn't really happen/
[11:03:43] <Fujitsu> Basically.
[11:03:48] <rendhalver> they usually go first dont they?
[11:03:50] <rob> yep
[11:03:57] <rendhalver> previous minutes or something
[11:03:58] <Fujitsu> Nothing extra happened on the 20060328 meeting.
[11:04:05] <Fujitsu> It wasn't the previous minutes, really.
[11:04:14] <Fujitsu> It was the nonexistant previous meeting.
[11:04:15] <YukiCuss> A few people here now weren't in attendance.
[11:04:20] <rendhalver> ah
[11:04:29] <YukiCuss> But in brief, we decided on the two-week breaks in meetings, decided to reconvene on the logo, uh ...
[11:04:30] <rob> ok.. can we open up the floor to any thing else?
[11:04:48] <Fujitsu> YukiCuss, that was the week before, wasn't it?
[11:05:03] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, ? Oh, 0328 .. that wasn't an official one, per se.
[11:05:09] <Fujitsu> I think this is probably the end.
[11:05:26] * Kamping_Kaiser cries
[11:05:28] * ndazza suggests providing resources to help LUGS with installfests
[11:05:41] <ndazza> particularly posters/brochures
[11:05:55] <ndazza> maybe stickers/CDs
[11:05:58] <rob> is there going to be local distribution of Ubuntu cds/priority from shipit?
[11:06:17] <YukiCuss> rob, priority in the event that we have some event to attend that could urgently use them close to release.
[11:06:28] <Fujitsu> This is probably necessary, ndazza, however we need to work out how.
[11:06:39] <rob> ndazza, we'd need funding too
[11:06:45] <rendhalver> yeah
[11:06:50] <Fujitsu> rob, as YukiCuss says, we can get priority if we have an event that needs them.
[11:06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> linux au?
[11:07:03] <ndazza> could linux australia help? do they already do such a thing?
[11:07:03] <rob> Fujitsu, yep
[11:07:11] <rob> linux au could help..
[11:07:20] <rendhalver> well i am running a business building linux boxes and i have chosen ubuntu
[11:07:30] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, hallelujah!
[11:07:32] <rob> we need a specific thing to go to them with, but they are screaming out for people to take funding atm
[11:07:33] <YukiCuss>
[11:07:35] <rendhalver> so maybe i could put up some money for stuff
[11:07:42] <Fujitsu> Nice, rendhalver.
[11:07:46] <rendhalver> i shall talk to the rest of the guys
[11:07:47] <rendhalver> :)
[11:07:53] <Fujitsu> Good idea, rendhalver.
[11:07:55] <rendhalver> brisbane based
[11:07:57] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:08:06] <rendhalver> yeah i have been wanting to do it for 4 years
[11:08:17] <rendhalver> perfect time i think
[11:08:23] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, excellent. :)
[11:08:31] <bimberi> rendhalver: do you use ubuntu's OEM install?
[11:08:33] <Fujitsu> Very nice, rendhalver.
[11:08:33] <rendhalver> so if i get really swamped i may be recruiting
[11:08:33] * Fujitsu plots evilly.
[11:08:52] <rendhalver> and possibly expanding to other parts of .au
[11:09:17] <rob> I think people should think about what kind of project they would like to get funding from Linux Australia for, and bring their ideas to the next meeting
[11:09:28] * ndazza nods
[11:09:33] <Fujitsu> Good idea, rob.
[11:09:36] <YukiCuss> rob, James Purser was offering on linux-au, wasn't he?
[11:09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. IIRC
[11:09:59] <rob> I've seen a couple of offers.. its available all the time though
[11:10:02] <rendhalver> i shall talk to the rest of the business people and let you know if we can pay for some things
[11:10:18] <rob> they just happen to be promoting it moreso at the moment
[11:10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> (flood)
[11:10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> If you have a project that you would like some help with, funding wise
[11:10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you think it meets with our criteria, send me an email to
[11:10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> james@linux.org.au detailing your grant request.
[11:10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Conditions for the grant requests and a sample form for making requests
[11:10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> can be found here: http://www.linux.org.au/projects/grants
[11:11:01] <rendhalver> cool
[11:11:06] <rob> James is part of the committee
[11:11:09] <rendhalver> hrm
[11:11:14] <Fujitsu> It would be nice if we could get posters and stuff...
[11:11:24] <Fujitsu> General advertising for appropriate places.
[11:11:57] <rob> what about an .au Shipit? LA might provide funding for that..
[11:11:59] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, I agree with the idea of posters in general spots wherever people will have them.
[11:12:09] <rendhalver> i shall likely be sticking links on the business site
[11:12:23] <Fujitsu> An AU shipit would be a good idea, however it would probably cost a fair bit...
[11:12:24] <YukiCuss> rob, it's a lot of funding, though. It requires producing/printing/packaging CDs, and such ..
[11:12:29] <rendhalver> if thats cool with you lot?
[11:12:29] * Kamping_Kaiser wonders howmuch aushipoit would cost.
[11:12:39] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, naturally.
[11:12:41] *** kev1n is now known as k|away
[11:12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: what sort of links?
[11:12:44] <rendhalver> cd's are pretty cheap
[11:12:46] <rob> YukiCuss, sure, but one could research it and find out exactly how much..
[11:12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> and make it not to the wiki ;)
[11:12:55] <Fujitsu> If we had an AU shipit, we could have CDs out to people in a couple of days.
[11:13:00] <YukiCuss> rob, of course.
[11:13:10] <rendhalver> Kamping_Kaiser: links to the software we use and such
[11:13:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: woot.
[11:13:23] <Fujitsu> Mass producing CDs reduces costs to around 10c, from memory.
[11:13:25] <rob> maybe Ubuntu will come to the table with some funding also in that case
[11:13:45] <Fujitsu> The big problem is the establishment of the CD-producing process.
[11:13:46] <ndazza> last time i ordered a large qty of cds from shipit, their declared value was 0.13 euro per cd
[11:13:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> if AU shipit made tomany, it would be able to fee dthem back into 'the grid' of existing canonical cds
[11:14:00] <Fujitsu> And the continual mailing costs.
[11:14:13] <Fujitsu> True, Kamping_Kaiser.
[11:14:27] <ndazza> i would imagine they have too many already, but yes that's true
[11:14:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> and an admin overhead
[11:14:32] <rob> what about just ordering in bulk from Shipit, then just covering mailing costs as needed
[11:14:53] <Fujitsu> rob, possibly.
[11:14:55] <rendhalver> yeah i was just thinking of that
[11:14:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob: those would be big boxes... o_0
[11:14:56] <YukiCuss> rob, that lacks the speedy advantage, though.
[11:15:08] * Kamping_Kaiser orders 4-600 cds a release
[11:15:08] <ndazza> i guess it depends on how quickly shipit will ship to us
[11:15:10] <rob> YukiCuss, well it speeds it up if we have them locally
[11:15:23] <Fujitsu> Although they say that they would prefer it if we could organise local CD production.
[11:15:25] <YukiCuss> rob, naturally, but there's the issue of getting them over to here anyway.
[11:15:29] <rendhalver> and if we get too many they are sorta pointless once dapper comes out
[11:15:39] <rob> if we have some on stock, then its quite speedy for anyone who asks for some from us
[11:15:41] <Fujitsu> Getting CDs over here can take several weeks.
[11:15:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: i think we would aim for dapper on this one
[11:15:48] <ndazza> I wouldn't begin shipping them till Dapper comes out
[11:15:48] <Fujitsu> Yeah, a couple of days tops, rob.
[11:15:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> (i hope...)
[11:15:58] <Fujitsu> Shipping pre-Dapper would be silly.
[11:16:18] <rob> yes, dapper
[11:16:21] <rendhalver> i got .iso's of most of them here somewhere
[11:16:31] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, indeed, most of us probably. xP
[11:16:38] <rendhalver> we would just need to brand them
[11:16:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: isos of... solaris? ;D
[11:16:56] <rendhalver> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah i needed the coasters
[11:17:11] <ndazza> well, nice chatting boys n girls
[11:17:11] * YukiCuss KILLS YOU KAMPING_KAISER DEAD.
[11:17:18] * ndazza is outta here
[11:17:20] <YukiCuss> No Solaris. No, no, no, no. N-o.
[11:17:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: o_0
[11:17:22] <Fujitsu> Let's ship Solaris CDs as well... And throw in some Fedora and Mandriva.
[11:17:24] <Fujitsu> Bye, ndazza.
[11:17:24] <YukiCuss> ndazza, see you later! Good to talk meeting at.
[11:17:29] * Kamping_Kaiser dual boots with solaris
[11:17:39] <Fujitsu> Urgh.
[11:17:39] <rendhalver> Kamping_Kaiser: weirdo
[11:17:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[11:17:50] * Fujitsu agrees with YukiCuss' last action at Kamping_Kaiser.
[11:17:50] <rendhalver> i dual boot with breezy
[11:17:59] <Fujitsu> I single boot with Dapper :D
[11:18:02] <rendhalver> well tripple boot actually
[11:18:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. noobs :P
[11:18:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> *irony*
[11:18:25] * Fujitsu irons Kamping_Kaiser.
[11:18:27] <rendhalver> that other thing i occasionally use for shooting the crap out of pixels
[11:18:54] <rob> ok, I'm off, night all
[11:18:54] * Kamping_Kaiser managed to kill that thread ;)
[11:18:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> later rob
[11:19:02] <rendhalver> see ya rob
[11:19:02] <YukiCuss> rob, night!
[11:19:04] <Fujitsu> Bye, rob.
[11:19:07] <rob> bye!
[11:19:15] <bimberi> nn rob
[11:19:49] <bimberi> isn't jellyware shipping CDs?
[11:20:01] <YukiCuss> bimberi, yes. He cannot make it tonight, but he says that he's received a few customers indeed.
[11:20:06] <Fujitsu> I don't see that as being practical, in the long term.
[11:20:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> in small numbers he is
[11:20:15] <YukiCuss> (he's tied up at work, so he gave me a message to tell me that he was watching the logs :))
[11:20:39] <bimberi> hi jellyware :)
[11:20:46] <Kamping_Kaiser>
[11:20:51] <bimberi> it's a good log - realtime
[11:21:03] <YukiCuss> bimberi, is it in fact?
[11:21:18] * Fujitsu waves at jellyware.
[11:21:26] * Kamping_Kaiser wonders about asking the linuxsa-talk list about cdmaking
[11:21:28] <bimberi> YukiCuss: close enough to it -
[11:21:42] * rendhalver wonders who jellyware is
[11:21:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> "hi all, i want to make cds" " how manY' "oh..... 54000...."
[11:21:50] <YukiCuss> HEH.
[11:22:01] <Fujitsu> Hahah
[11:22:29] <bimberi> http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2006/04/04/%23ubuntu-au.log
[11:22:36] <YukiCuss> I'd sure like to ship them to a 400th of our population.
[11:22:40] <Fujitsu> I think we should get 20,000,000 Dapper CDs made, just in case :D
[11:22:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[11:22:56] <rendhalver> heh
[11:22:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: lets just start with 2,000,000
[11:23:28] <YukiCuss> One for every man, woman and child!
[11:23:36] * Kamping_Kaiser thinks the question might need rewording ;)
[11:23:44] <rendhalver> hey what about all the dogs and cats?
[11:23:46] <Fujitsu> True.
[11:23:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: they use Red Hat ;)
[11:23:55] * Fujitsu bumps order up to 40,000,000
[11:23:57] <Phlosten> petbuntu
[11:23:59] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, we'll have to wait for dapper+1's enhanced accessibility features for feline and canine support.
[11:24:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[11:24:08] <rendhalver> i swear our cats use the computers while we are alseep
[11:24:13] <Fujitsu> And ship some to the sheep in NZ.... Bump it up two or three times...
[11:24:39] <rendhalver> ok i gotta run off now
[11:24:45] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, a friend once got up, turned his computer on, logged on to it, and started playing nethack, all in his sleep once.
[11:24:49] <rendhalver> dinner has just been finished
[11:24:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> later rendhalver
[11:24:51] <Fujitsu> Bye, rendhalver.
[11:24:53] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, night.
[11:24:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: phoot stuff em ;P
[11:25:01] <rendhalver> YukiCuss: heheh
[11:25:10] * Fujitsu makes a note to drown Kamping_Kaiser in Dapper CDs.
[11:25:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: scary ;)
[11:25:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[11:25:23] <rendhalver> i shall likely leave this logged in so i may be back later
[11:25:25] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, I know..! Can you imagine waking up to a half-finished game of hack?
[11:25:33] <Phlosten> i assume the meeting finished? had to run off to sort out a 2yo
[11:25:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i cant imagne me actively playing
[11:25:41] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, it's more or less degenerated that way.
[11:25:46] <Fujitsu> Finished around 20 minutes ago... Sort of.
[11:25:51] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, quest for the ultimate self-destruction method!
[11:26:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:26:14] <YukiCuss> I once killed myself in it by kicking a wall too hard.
[11:26:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[11:26:31] <Phlosten> degenerated?, wheres the team leader, we need to kick him/her in the ass ;)
[11:26:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> scary
[11:26:34] <Fujitsu> Eve, ctd.
[11:26:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ROFL
[11:26:48] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, the true purpose for the team leader arises!
[11:26:57] <Fujitsu> Exactly. Blame shifting.
[11:26:59] * Kamping_Kaiser pulls the cd from teh stone
[11:27:03] * Fujitsu shifts the blame to Sir. Leader.
[11:27:13] <Fujitsu> ROFL, Kamping_Kaiser.
[11:27:22] <YukiCuss> svn blame @head
[11:27:24] <Phlosten> if you look up 'team leader' in a proper dictionary, thats what you'll find :)
[11:27:45] <Phlosten> CEO = blame delegator
[11:27:47] *** ctd_ is now known as ctd
[11:28:11] * Fujitsu uses the Active Directory Delegation Wizard to give Phlosten the blame.
[11:28:31] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, compassionate end (for) 'roblems
[11:28:33] * Fujitsu sniggers, watching everybody drown in the blame.
[11:29:02] <Fujitsu> Eve, manicka.
[11:29:06] <manicka> aagh, I missed the meeting :(
[11:29:10] <Phlosten> can i propose a new project,. 'using ubuntu to calculate and precisely allocate correctly proportioned blame to the correct official'
[11:29:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi manicka
[11:29:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl :/
[11:29:57] <manicka> looking forward to reading the log :)
[11:30:02] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, I think that's a project that can be globally appreciated. :)