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The 21st of March, 2006
[09:59:59] <YukiCuss> Begin!
[10:00:01] <bustacap> OK
[10:00:03] <elkbuntu> i log irc anywya
[10:00:05] <YukiCuss> Good evening everyone. :)
[10:00:06] <bustacap> alrighty..
[10:00:13] <jellyware> hey covox. welcome to the first meeting!
[10:00:20] <Fujitsu> Welcome to the first meeting of the AustralianTeam!
[10:00:22] <YukiCuss> Tonight is the 47th biennial[sp?] meeting of the 76th Royal Flying Squadron.
[10:00:27] <Fujitsu> Hahah
[10:00:27] <bustacap> first item on the agenda..
[10:00:36] <YukiCuss> We've got a few things to talk about, and since some of us are time restricted, we'll move right on ahead. :)
[10:00:40] <bustacap> moving to a fortnightly meeting..
[10:00:42] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:00:43] <YukiCuss> First item we have to talk about, is as bustacap says.
[10:00:49] <jellyware> #
[10:00:58] <bustacap> I might say something first..
[10:01:00] <jellyware> Changing to fortnightly meetings
[10:01:00] <jellyware> *
[10:01:00] <jellyware> Going to fortnightly meetings may increase the attendance at the meetings because they are less frequent - NaamanCampbell
[10:01:07] <YukiCuss> Shall we discuss?
[10:01:20] <jellyware> whats up busta?
[10:01:23] <Fujitsu> bustacap wants to say something...
[10:01:25] <ctd> Weekly does seem a bit excessive
[10:01:28] <manicka> Jellyware, we don't need to have the item posted each time
[10:01:37] <bustacap> I think that coming to a weekly meeting may be too much of a committment and would be best going to a fortnightly meeting in line with other ubuntu teams..
[10:01:50] <Fujitsu> If others do it, it should be OK.
[10:01:52] <bustacap> any thoughts on that?
[10:02:01] <jellyware> I think we shold give weekly meetings a go...
[10:02:06] <manicka> fortnightly is a good schedule
[10:02:10] <bustacap> I think it is too frequent..
[10:02:17] <manicka> most ubuntu groups meet this way
[10:02:19] <YukiCuss> Sounds like most people are in agreement of fortnightly.
[10:02:19] <Phlosten> and do we really have a need for weekly meetings (ie things to discuss?)
[10:02:21] <YukiCuss> Anyone disagree?
[10:02:23] <jellyware> happy to try ft
[10:02:25] <bustacap> I would probably not attend every meeting if that were to be the case..
[10:02:27] <elkbuntu> we could have informal ones every second week, like a catchup
[10:02:29] <rob> > weekly meetings are much better IMO
[10:02:32] * manicka +1
[10:02:35] * MistaED doesn't mind either way
[10:02:44] <Fujitsu> I think weeklies are probably a good idea.
[10:02:45] * covox loves diplomacy and picks forgnightly
[10:02:47] <rob> is there really a need to meet every week?
[10:02:52] <ctd> fortnightly meetings, hay or nay
[10:02:54] <bustacap> no
[10:02:59] <covox> *or fortnightly if you believe in correct spelling
[10:03:04] <YukiCuss> We need some sort of formal voting process argh. -_-;
[10:03:09] * bimberi is fine with either - but thinks we might know better towards the end of this meeting
[10:03:12] <jellyware> I like elks idea of a social every odd week
[10:03:12] <rob> anything important between meetings can be emailed to the list for discussion
[10:03:15] <bustacap> I think after this influx of new agenda items - there won't be enough items to warrant weekly meetings..
[10:03:17] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:03:19] <elkbuntu> im for fortnightly
[10:03:19] <YukiCuss> bimberi, that's a good point.
[10:03:34] <Fujitsu> I think proper fortnightly, informal every other.
[10:03:39] <bustacap> yeah,,
[10:03:42] <bustacap> +1 Fujitsu
[10:03:44] <YukiCuss> Informal meetings really happen every day.
[10:03:46] <rob> mailing list are great for people who can't make it :)
[10:03:52] <Fujitsu> I suppose.
[10:03:59] <YukiCuss> So.
[10:04:08] <YukiCuss> It's mostly decided on that we shall have fortnightly meetings.
[10:04:10] <bustacap> but it's good to collect up a fortnight's worth of ideas
[10:04:10] <manicka> let's just stick to voting on formal meetings
[10:04:13] <Phlosten> yes for fornightly formal meetings and informal 'gatherings' to discuss ongoings in between the f/n's
[10:04:18] <manicka> as per the agenda
[10:04:27] <bustacap> all in favour of the f/n official meetings - +1
[10:04:34] <YukiCuss> +1
[10:04:35] * Phlosten +1
[10:04:37] <Fujitsu> +1
[10:04:37] <elkbuntu> +1
[10:04:37] <MistaED> +1
[10:04:37] <bimberi> +1
[10:04:37] <manicka> +1
[10:04:39] <jellyware> +
[10:04:44] <rob> +1
[10:04:44] <ctd> +1
[10:04:44] <jellyware> 1
[10:04:46] <Fujitsu> I think that's positive :)
[10:04:49] <elkbuntu> ok...
[10:04:51] <YukiCuss> I think it's safe to say yes. :)
[10:04:51] <elkbuntu> yep
[10:04:55] <YukiCuss> Moving on, then?
[10:04:55] <bustacap> well a unianimous points decision to the red corner
[10:04:57] <bustacap> yesums..
[10:04:59] <manicka> next
[10:05:04] <YukiCuss> Next on the list is adding a talks section.
[10:05:07] <bustacap> ok..
[10:05:14] <YukiCuss> To list talks given by members of our team.
[10:05:21] <bustacap> so basically, any talks we have given this year or going to give this year..
[10:05:45] <bustacap> this will encourage people like myself who are in LUGs to present talks on Ubuntu as well as part of our marketing initiatives..
[10:05:47] <rob> well, I have a couple of presentations on the Ubuntu web site already
[10:05:53] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:05:57] <manicka> I don't see any negatives in this idea
[10:06:03] <jellyware> I like the idea
[10:06:04] <Fujitsu> If people actually have things to put there, it's probably a good idea :)
[10:06:15] <YukiCuss> This is good.
[10:06:24] <bimberi> manicka: +1
[10:06:24] <bustacap> yeah, let's make it an initiative to fill the section as well :)
[10:06:32] <Fujitsu> A good idea.
[10:06:32] <YukiCuss> As manicka, there are probably no problems with this idea.
[10:06:52] <YukiCuss> Just as long as we make it an effort to get to some talks ourselves! :)
[10:06:59] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:07:01] <bustacap> I wouldn't think there would be any opposition to it..
[10:07:04] <jellyware> be nice to see what people are developing for ubuntu in oz too
[10:07:12] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:07:16] <bustacap> I just wanted to expand a little more on the idea in the meeting..
[10:07:26] <bustacap> absolutely..
[10:07:36] <elkbuntu> we need to kidnap TheMuso ;)
[10:07:39] <Fujitsu> OK, so any more ideas on this?
[10:07:44] <bustacap> a dual listing on the main Presentations Wiki page would be encouraged..
[10:07:49] <bustacap> I think that would wrap that item up..
[10:07:54] * YukiCuss nods.
[10:07:59] <manicka> I don't think we need a vote on that do we
[10:08:01] <YukiCuss> Second;
[10:08:03] <bustacap> next item..
[10:08:03] <YukiCuss> Well, .. third.
[10:08:05] <bustacap> no..
[10:08:05] <YukiCuss> manicka, it should be good.
[10:08:10] <YukiCuss> If someone is opposed, speak!
[10:08:22] <bustacap> (or forever hold your peace, etc)
[10:08:22] <YukiCuss> Third; official LoCo Team confirmation. What better time than now?
[10:08:29] <bustacap> yes..
[10:08:34] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:08:38] <Fujitsu> We are on the agenda for the next CC meeting.
[10:08:45] <manicka> they can only say no
[10:08:45] <Fujitsu> I've emailed Matthias Ulrichs about it...
[10:08:47] <bustacap> I think there is some serious organisation and interest in the Aussie LoCo team..
[10:08:50] <jellyware> great work there guys...
[10:08:54] <bustacap> I doubt they will..
[10:09:00] <bustacap> yes, keep us posted..
[10:09:01] <manicka> is there a firm date yet for the next cc
[10:09:08] <Fujitsu> And we are just waiting on the meeting... YukiCuss and I should attend.
[10:09:10] <YukiCuss> According to the C.C.A. page, no; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[10:09:12] <Fujitsu> No firm date yet, no.
[10:09:17] <YukiCuss> Some time this week.
[10:09:21] <Fujitsu> Meant to be some time this week, although it's looking unlikely.
[10:09:38] <YukiCuss> In any event, we can hope for the best, and if not, we just keep chugging along anyway.
[10:09:39] <bustacap> YukiCuss, just make sure you and Fuji are subscribed to the page so you pick up the date..
[10:09:41] <manicka> so we need to monitor the cc page and be ready
[10:09:47] <Fujitsu> I am, bustacap.
[10:09:57] <YukiCuss> As am I.
[10:10:05] <bustacap> thanks for following that up too guys..
[10:10:19] <YukiCuss> I think it's in all of our wishes. :)
[10:10:21] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[10:10:28] <manicka> yes
[10:10:30] <YukiCuss> Anyone else have anything to say on the matter?
[10:10:32] <bustacap> great..
[10:10:40] <bustacap> nope - moving on :)
[10:10:43] <rob> well..
[10:10:47] <bustacap> OK.
[10:10:47] <rob> never mind
[10:10:53] <bustacap> no, go ahead..
[10:10:55] <Fujitsu> rob, you sure?
[10:10:55] <YukiCuss> rob, o_O
[10:11:22] <rob> I was just going to say I think its about right to look at becomming official, there are numbers and several members involved
[10:11:28] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:11:35] * bustacap is just happy with the express pace of the meeting..
[10:11:43] <jellyware> good point rob
[10:11:46] <bustacap> +1 rob
[10:11:51] <rob> I'd like to see more Australian LoCo project to use as examples though
[10:11:53] <Fujitsu> We have a number of members, a number of Members, and some ideas.
[10:11:55] * YukiCuss nods to rob.
[10:11:56] <rob> s/projects/projects
[10:11:58] <YukiCuss> We're getting to that next. :)
[10:12:00] <rob> err :)
[10:12:02] <manicka> my only concern was that it may be a bit soon. What is the criteria for being recognised?
[10:12:02] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:12:06] <Fujitsu> Projects are next.
[10:12:11] <Fujitsu> Not a lot, manicka.
[10:12:15] <bustacap> yes actually..
[10:12:17] <elkbuntu> activity and interest
[10:12:22] <bustacap> oh ok, that's good Fuji
[10:12:24] <rob> manicka, project examples help a lot to prove activity
[10:12:24] <Fujitsu> Basically just showing that we have what elkbuntu said.
[10:12:29] <manicka> ok, let's move on then
[10:12:31] <Fujitsu> They do.
[10:12:35] <YukiCuss> manicka, criteria is pretty much just being active.
[10:12:37] <Fujitsu> Moving on.
[10:12:39] <YukiCuss> And helpful to Ubuntu as a whole.
[10:12:41] <YukiCuss> Yes, yes.
[10:12:43] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:12:47] <bustacap> I think if we show an active interest in developing some projects, that will help as well..
[10:12:49] <YukiCuss> 4th Item: Projects.
[10:12:54] <bustacap> yes projects..
[10:13:05] <bustacap> first one - Schools..
[10:13:05] <Phlosten> if they do not recognise us then they will more than likely tell us why and what we need to do etc
[10:13:05] <Fujitsu> We need to create some :)
[10:13:10] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:13:10] <Phlosten> no big deal
[10:13:17] <bustacap> who are the drivers of the Schools project idea?
[10:13:19] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, quite right.
[10:13:25] <YukiCuss> bustacap, I believe mainly Fujitsu and myself.
[10:13:27] <rob> the Linux Australia list had a big discussion on Schools projects
[10:13:29] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:13:35] <YukiCuss> rob, something worth looking up, then?
[10:13:37] <rob> I suggest getting involved with that
[10:13:39] <rob> yes
[10:13:41] <YukiCuss> Sounds good.
[10:13:46] <Fujitsu> Schools are a good project for some of us :)
[10:13:51] <manicka> I'm interested in this idea as I'm a teacher
[10:13:57] <rob> there are several keen people and some good ideas on there, and several potential projects
[10:13:59] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[10:14:01] <bustacap> so let's outline some of the aims of the project then..
[10:14:03] <Fujitsu> Good, manicka. More school contacts.
[10:14:03] <jellyware> whats the project trying to achieve?
[10:14:05] <YukiCuss> manicka, we too are interested, as we are students and also administrators of our school network.
[10:14:05] <elkbuntu> my mother is a teacher, so i could probably help in some ways there
[10:14:07] <bustacap> it's a little vague to me atm
[10:14:09] <Fujitsu> Ubuntu in schools.
[10:14:09] <manicka> although I'm not sure how we'd go about it
[10:14:22] <Fujitsu> That's what we need to work out, manicka.
[10:14:30] <jellyware> public or private schools?
[10:14:31] <bustacap> hey guys, hear my proposal
[10:14:36] <manicka> ICT in NSw public schools is pretty much a closed shop
[10:14:43] <rob> one of note was a free as in freedom wiki for teachers and students (actually its more involved then that, but you get the basic idea)
[10:14:46] <YukiCuss> bustacap, please do.
[10:14:48] <Phlosten> would it be worth while adding a page to the wiki for each project?
[10:14:50] <bustacap> we need to setup a really good demonstration setup first
[10:14:56] <manicka> iron clad contract with microsoft
[10:14:58] <bustacap> that should be the first step
[10:15:01] <Fujitsu> Yes, bustacap.
[10:15:09] <bimberi> bustacap: +1!!
[10:15:11] <Fujitsu> Dapper Edubuntu should be good.
[10:15:12] <bustacap> now another point..
[10:15:12] <YukiCuss> bustacap, that is an incredibly good point. Fujitsu and I have been working on that for some time.
[10:15:23] <YukiCuss> manicka, this is also another sad reality.
[10:15:36] <manicka> yes, I live with it every day
[10:15:38] <covox> NSW sounds a bit similar to WA
[10:15:38] <bustacap> forget about iron clad contracts with Microsoft, don't let that get us down (continued point)
[10:15:46] <Phlosten> with regards to schools i wouldnt think about chaning 1st level infrastructure just yet
[10:15:50] <Fujitsu> YukiCuss & I have set up a Breezy LTSP server a while ago, and booted a computer room from it.
[10:16:05] <Fujitsu> We are also going to move a number of services to a Dapper server in the near future.
[10:16:08] <Phlosten> i would be thinking about creating mini networks for students to play with etc
[10:16:13] <manicka> although I do run a FreeBSd proxy
[10:16:24] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, it's an interesting concept, though we need to figure out exactly what `playing' would involve.
[10:16:26] <Fujitsu> manicka, at least it's OSS.
[10:16:28] <bustacap> unless there is a clause saying nothing but Microsoft can run on a PC at the schools, I am sure there is room for a small collection of PCs to run Ubuntu to allow gifted ICT students to play with Linux..
[10:16:48] <elkbuntu> like Phlosten said, a good way would probably be to convince schools to set up a machine or two with linux, say, in the library, for kids who are interested to have a go with
[10:16:53] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:16:58] <YukiCuss> bustacap, a very good idea; the integrated programming utilities might make it an ideal area for programming classes; ease of use with Apache could even make it for advanced web/web prorgamming.
[10:17:05] <bustacap> elkbuntu, exactly..
[10:17:07] <Fujitsu> And have Ubuntu CDs available for interested people.
[10:17:09] <Phlosten> a close friend of mine is currently looking at setting up something which we could work on
[10:17:15] <YukiCuss> Actually, another good point is using open source library-management systems.
[10:17:18] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:17:21] <manicka> I guess then we would mainly be looking at High Schools to begin with
[10:17:25] <Fujitsu> I've been looking into open source librar
[10:17:30] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[10:17:40] <bustacap> Fujitsu, ooh I like that sneaky way of handing out CDs :D
[10:17:40] <Fujitsu> manicka, yes. Primary schools are an entirely different target.
[10:17:42] <YukiCuss> manicka, for the moment, as the primary school environment is more closely teacher-related, and they are harder to budge. :)
[10:17:44] <Fujitsu> bustacap, yep.
[10:17:44] <jellyware> so how do we help though?
[10:17:46] <MistaED> there are many schools with apple machines still as well as the 800lb gorilla windows, ubuntu will be fine in this regard as it's very compatible with the school networks
[10:18:00] <covox> just a quick question; is the priority to get more students interested in Linux/ubuntu, or to provide an alternative to the current standard (microsoft providing a large wallet full of licensed software for each school)
[10:18:05] <YukiCuss> MistaED, a neat advantage we have. :)
[10:18:15] <Fujitsu> MistaED, yes. The compatibility is a very good 'selling' point.
[10:18:21] <elkbuntu> if we wanna hook them young, primaryschools are the way to go
[10:18:26] <bustacap> it's not a case of trying to replace Windows with Ubuntu
[10:18:30] <Phlosten> its not only microsoft providing software for the school network
[10:18:31] <bustacap> let's not aim for this target..
[10:18:43] <Fujitsu> Phlosten, in Victoria it basically is.
[10:18:48] <bustacap> one second guys, I have to say hi to a friend - bstraight back
[10:18:54] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:18:56] <YukiCuss> covox, .. it's a difficult question to answer. Primarily, we're trying to offer a system that's easier to manage for them. Linux's security (ie. keeping students from attacking the system) is a ++.
[10:19:02] <manicka> as an example my primary school is stitched up with an os X network
[10:19:24] <Phlosten> in NSW the schools have an software installation that handles timetables and student attendance, non-microsoft and worth a lot of money
[10:19:30] <bustacap> k back..
[10:19:40] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure about other states, but Victoria is monopolised by Microsoft. Microsoft offers media-price licenses of most of its software to all schools.
[10:19:47] <elkbuntu> good old oasis
[10:19:48] <bustacap> guys - I think we need to start very simple
[10:19:53] <bustacap> grass roots..
[10:19:55] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, actually, we have several, but right at the moment the focus is the OS.
[10:20:03] <manicka> yes, deals are sweet for MS in NSw as well
[10:20:13] <Fujitsu> bustacap, elaborate.
[10:20:20] <Phlosten> ok, back to the actually issue of the 'project', who is leading it?
[10:20:25] <jellyware> mabye we can try somehow distributing cd's the schools for all interested...
[10:20:33] <bustacap> two angles of attack - demonstration and small numbers of PCs & open source software on Windows (Open CD - Firefox, GIMP, OpenOffice, etc)
[10:20:36] <rob> the problem is that by using free software schools will lose funding for IT (or at least are worried that they might)
[10:20:39] <YukiCuss> jellyware, it's hard for a school to simply try this, though.
[10:20:49] <bustacap> then add in the free CD handouts..
[10:20:52] <rob> also, they don't know any better, and other reasons
[10:20:56] <manicka> yes, spot on rob
[10:21:24] <YukiCuss> Alright, good.
[10:21:25] <YukiCuss> So two major points:
[10:21:27] <manicka> any gains made here will be vary samll to start
[10:21:34] <rob> its going to be hard to push FOSS into schools
[10:21:43] <rob> at least at the start
[10:21:51] <bustacap> rob and others, I think that if they spent that money on decent hardware instead of the crud that exists in most public schools (primary most particularly) - we could provide a better environment..
[10:21:59] <Fujitsu> It is going to get harder, rob.
[10:21:59] <YukiCuss> (a) demonstrate the power of FOSS along side managability of an actual network with demonstration, (b) educate the schools about the benefits, and also about what they could expect to realistically lose.
[10:22:06] <rob> I've seen it slowly happen within the governments, but its been slow at best
[10:22:08] <bustacap> I think the aim should not be to replace windows
[10:22:21] <jellyware> what about we start with a project wiki?
[10:22:23] <Fujitsu> Why not, bustacap?
[10:22:33] <manicka> our best target has to be pc schools
[10:22:35] <Phlosten> has anyone else read recently about the schools in taipei switching from microsoft models to linux models for teaching their students?
[10:22:38] <bustacap> let's look at this - windows is still the main desktop out there - people still need experience with it when then enter the workplace..
[10:22:43] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, it is probably not a realistic goal. Teaching classes use Windows programs, teachers have to teach it, they won't learn anything else.
[10:22:48] <manicka> apple schools really like what they have already
[10:23:07] <Fujitsu> YukiCuss, I suppose. For the moment.
[10:23:10] <YukiCuss> manicka, of course, though the upcoming switch might be something to look at in ten years.
[10:23:12] <rob> Phlosten, but Taipei != Australia
[10:23:19] <bustacap> does anyone agree with my point about "the real world"?
[10:23:23] <YukiCuss> bustacap, of course.
[10:23:31] <Fujitsu> For the moment, yes, bustacap.
[10:23:37] <bustacap> yes, I know for the moment
[10:23:44] <covox> there is a significant amount of educational software which, naturally, only runs under windows
[10:23:45] <elkbuntu> holiday classes for students.. you know like the holiday activities some parents send their kids to
[10:23:47] <rob> bustacap, valid, but not the main reason they keep it around
[10:23:48] <bustacap> I am by no way a supporter of bug #1
[10:23:54] <Phlosten> rob, yes, but is it not related to the topic?
[10:23:54] <Fujitsu> We should try to replace servers as well...
[10:24:05] <bustacap> rob, I know not the main, but it is a valid reason to keep some of it around..
[10:24:07] <Fujitsu> Bug #1 is a long term goal.
[10:24:08] <YukiCuss> It's pointless ignoring reality, so we should aim to just provide FOSS to the desktop (there are Active Directory installable packages for Firefox, for example), and perhaps to gain small groups of Ubunteros (computers. :)) in schools.
[10:24:10] <covox> presumably some of the more essential titles needs to be tested under wine to see if it passes the flakiness test
[10:24:12] <rob> Phlosten, I'm saying that our government works quite differently
[10:24:21] <manicka> bustacap, I have issues with the real world argument
[10:24:22] <jellyware> what about we set up a wiki from our loco and start there? anyone agree?
[10:24:24] <Phlosten> yes, but its still a g'ment
[10:24:32] <bustacap> Fujitsu, and so is replacing it in the Schools as well..
[10:24:40] <YukiCuss> jellyware, for the moment, we can add a Projects subsection to AustralianTeam.
[10:24:51] <jellyware> thanks yuki
[10:24:58] <Fujitsu> Sounds like a good idea, jellyware.
[10:25:02] <Phlosten> the articles regarding contain important points of 'why' they are using open source
[10:25:02] <bustacap> manicka, my company is proof that you don't need to run a business on Windows - but we are a rare large organisation..
[10:25:22] <bustacap> +1 jellyware
[10:25:29] <bustacap> let's move onto the next project..
[10:25:34] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:25:36] <YukiCuss> Is everyone happy with leaving this for now?
[10:25:36] <bustacap> but my main points are to start small
[10:25:36] <Fujitsu> Next...
[10:25:44] <manicka> yes, we could get bogged down in this for hours
[10:25:46] <MistaED> a shame codeweavers can't just package their easy to use wine system into ubuntu, this would help with running windows educational apps
[10:25:50] <YukiCuss> We can come back to it at a later date, but we have clearly figured out that there's stuff to be ironed out. :)
[10:25:55] <Fujitsu> We can come back to this later, if necesary.
[10:26:01] <manicka> agreed
[10:26:03] <bustacap> now are we also going to nominate some leaders for the project?
[10:26:05] <jellyware> can someone do this wiki, I don't know how to create new pages... sorry
[10:26:07] <Phlosten> yes, develop a project page with some inital information and we can all build on it through these meetings, led by the project leader
[10:26:12] <covox> MistaED: fairly sure the debian packages work
[10:26:14] <YukiCuss> jellyware, sure, we will do after.
[10:26:27] <bustacap> two leaders should do for the project, along with other interested people
[10:26:35] <bustacap> nominations?
[10:26:37] <YukiCuss> Currently, Fujitsu and I haev a fairly good stronghold in the direction of IT in our school.
[10:26:48] <rob> I don't think there needs to be a "leader" just yet
[10:26:55] <bustacap> good, count me as an interested party..
[10:26:59] <manicka> the natural nominees are Yuki and Fujitsu
[10:27:01] <YukiCuss> We are quite certain we can get servers running Ubuntu, and perhaps a room or two of LTSP clients.
[10:27:02] <Fujitsu> We have a fairly good stronghold, yes.
[10:27:07] <rob> the Documentation Team hasn't got one, and it rocks
[10:27:09] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:27:11] <bustacap> rob, at least somebody to work on the wiki pages and organise..
[10:27:24] <bustacap> rob, it's more of a project rather than a team
[10:27:29] <rob> bustacap, that can easily be anyone on the loco team
[10:27:31] <manicka> lol, rob
[10:27:49] <bustacap> rob, I am aware of the autonomy in the doco team - and yes it quote - rocks - unquote
[10:28:17] <Fujitsu> OK, moving on.
[10:28:19] <bustacap> ok, well lets move onto the next item..
[10:28:23] <YukiCuss> Good.
[10:28:25] <Fujitsu> The proposed 'business project'...
[10:28:27] <bustacap> Business Project
[10:28:29] <rob> nominating someone to work on the wiki as a 'leader' is putting too much pressure on them, and its unnesassary
[10:28:42] <bustacap> ok, well I am in agreeance with rob on that..
[10:28:47] <manicka> agreed, rob
[10:28:58] <rob> we can all work on the wiki, it doesn't matter who
[10:28:59] <bustacap> sorry for proposing it really..
[10:29:04] <bustacap> yeah..
[10:29:09] <YukiCuss> bustacap, of course not!
[10:29:12] <bustacap> I was just after some people to kick it off..
[10:29:17] <Phlosten> just list the project for now, and there will naturally be a select group actively working on that project
[10:29:19] <Fujitsu> Hehhe
[10:29:24] <YukiCuss> bustacap, proposing is how new ideas get here.
[10:29:32] <YukiCuss> Whoever feels they've got the most to add can go ahead and add it. :)
[10:29:34] <jellyware> phlos. I agree
[10:29:36] <rob> bustacap, its a good suggestion, just too early yet
[10:29:39] <bustacap> yeah, but it's really not how ubuntu works..
[10:29:47] <bustacap> having a leader
[10:29:52] <bustacap> besides sabdfl
[10:29:54] <YukiCuss> Well, we have a SABDFL. :)
[10:29:59] <Phlosten> the project page can list members who are actively helping out
[10:30:04] <bustacap> sure..
[10:30:05] <Fujitsu> SABDFL is sort of a leader, but not quite.
[10:30:07] <bustacap> contributors..
[10:30:14] <bustacap> more a silent partner..
[10:30:16] <bimberi> bustacap: don't sweat that. :) i think set up the wiki page and see what happens. If it stagnates then we can look at other ways to make it work
[10:30:16] <rob> Fujitsu, yes thats right
[10:30:21] <Phlosten> bustacap, thats the word
[10:30:23] <YukiCuss> bimberi, +1
[10:30:28] <bustacap> sure.. bimberi :)
[10:30:34] <Fujitsu> bimberi, +1\
[10:30:39] <bustacap> that's a typical wiki page for you..
[10:30:41] <Phlosten> bimberi, if it stagnates we get out the whip ;)
[10:30:46] <Fujitsu> s/\\//
[10:30:48] <bustacap> Business Project..
[10:30:53] <YukiCuss> 4th Item: Projects (Business).
[10:30:55] <jellyware> +1
[10:30:55] <bimberi> Phlosten: :)
[10:31:19] <bustacap> I am aware that there is somebody in the Aussie team who is studying for their MBA..
[10:31:42] <bustacap> and I am heavily interested in driving business initiatives for Ubuntu as well..
[10:32:07] <bustacap> basically I would like to start off a melting pot of ideas first on a wiki page then enact some of them..
[10:32:12] <Fujitsu> OK
[10:32:14] <bimberi> haha, if that's me i've finished (yay!) :)
[10:32:20] <bustacap> I am just looking for interested parties..
[10:32:20] <jellyware> sounds good busta
[10:32:30] <bimberi> and yes, i'm ready to contribute
[10:32:32] <YukiCuss> bimberi, neat :)
[10:32:36] <bustacap> bimberi, I think you are the exact person I am looking for..
[10:32:42] <bustacap> and well done :)
[10:32:44] <jellyware> I would like to contribute online to start with
[10:32:48] <bimberi> lol thanks
[10:32:53] <YukiCuss> jellyware, good! :)
[10:33:16] <bustacap> great, well we can organise another meeting in here sometime this week to get some ideas up on our wiki
[10:33:23] <YukiCuss> That sounds good.
[10:33:33] <bimberi> bustacap: +1
[10:33:35] * bustacap rubberstamps the beginning of the Australian Ubuntu-In-Business project..
[10:33:40] <elkbuntu> alternate weeks maybe = wiki week?
[10:33:49] <bustacap> yeah, sounds good..
[10:33:59] <Phlosten> + another project page please :)
[10:34:01] <YukiCuss> elkbuntu, that seems to be a reliable idea. Not everyone needs to turn up for it.
[10:34:09] <bustacap> yeah..
[10:34:13] <elkbuntu> yes, but it means if people can, they know when
[10:34:15] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, good idea.
[10:34:25] <bustacap> and then the projects can report to the official meetings on progress, etc..
[10:34:36] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:34:48] <bustacap> next item?
[10:34:54] <YukiCuss> Everyone happy to move on?
[10:34:56] <jellyware> next!
[10:34:58] <Fujitsu> Nexten Item.
[10:34:58] <elkbuntu> yep
[10:35:04] <bustacap> Marketing..
[10:35:05] <YukiCuss> Okay, good.
[10:35:10] <Fujitsu> Marketing.
[10:35:10] <YukiCuss> 5th Item: Marketing.
[10:35:12] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:35:17] <bustacap> could we make marketing another project ;)
[10:35:23] <YukiCuss> We need to discuss how we're going to present ourselves to the public.
[10:35:30] <YukiCuss> ndazza, welcome. :)
[10:35:34] <bustacap> I think the marketing could be targetted this way..
[10:35:39] <ndazza> hi YukiCuss
[10:35:44] <Fujitsu> Go ahead, bustacap.
[10:35:46] <bustacap> 1. through the Schools project
[10:35:50] <bustacap> 2. through the Business project
[10:35:52] <jellyware> nice if we could start doing trade shows, slug meetings etc
[10:36:05] <YukiCuss> jellyware, that is exactly an excellent way. Same goes for Talks.
[10:36:10] <bustacap> 3. marketing to the home user - LUGs, conferences, etc..
[10:36:23] <ctd> what about slug meetings?
[10:36:27] <manicka> slug just had a big install fest with ubuntu
[10:36:27] <bustacap> slug?
[10:36:34] <praetorian> sydney linux ug..
[10:36:39] <bustacap> oh..
[10:36:43] <bustacap> manicka, nice..
[10:36:44] <ctd> manicka: that was mainly sclug
[10:36:46] <praetorian> manicka: that was SCLUG.
[10:36:50] <YukiCuss> jellyware, MLUG, and so on. :)
[10:37:04] <manicka> ah, ok
[10:37:13] <YukiCuss> Actually, MLUG has a pretty good way for getting in line to make a talk at the meeting. I might check that out.
[10:37:15] <manicka> didn't knwo we had a sclug
[10:37:15] <jellyware> girls of ubuntu calander anyone?
[10:37:20] <bustacap> haha jellyware
[10:37:42] * Phlosten looks for the girls
[10:37:43] <elkbuntu> jellyware, nobody's likely to want to see me on their calendar :P
[10:37:48] <ctd> if you want to talk at slug, talk to me
[10:37:54] <bustacap> jellyware, now you don't want to start driving away the women on the first meeting now..
[10:38:01] <jellyware> lol
[10:38:11] <Fujitsu> OK, back to the point
[10:38:16] <manicka> yes, let's keep on task
[10:38:21] <bustacap> so how about it guys, a third project on Marketing to the home user..
[10:38:25] <jellyware> boys of ubuntu..
[10:38:40] <Fujitsu> Oh dear.
[10:38:42] <jellyware> +1
[10:38:42] <YukiCuss> bustacap, that sounds good. The three projects more or less target the three types of marketing we need.
[10:38:51] <Fujitsu> A third project +1
[10:39:08] <bustacap> great and I think anymore projects will be one too many..
[10:39:17] <manicka> +1
[10:39:20] <Fujitsu> We don't really have any other audiences.
[10:39:21] <bustacap> 3 is a good number of strong active projects for us as a beginning..
[10:39:24] <YukiCuss> We can refer to them as `marketing ventures' if you really want. :)
[10:39:34] <Fujitsu> Hi paul_2340.
[10:39:36] <bustacap> haha yeah, lets talk like marketing wankers :D
[10:39:38] <paul_2340> hi guys
[10:39:46] <YukiCuss> bustacap, hahaha!
[10:39:56] <jellyware> hey paul. welcome to the meeting!
[10:39:59] <manicka> ok, sounds like we have enough interest to kick off those three
[10:40:00] <bustacap> YukiCuss, we'll do lunch after my latte
[10:40:05] <bustacap> great..
[10:40:08] <YukiCuss> xP
[10:40:09] <bustacap> next item..
[10:40:11] <Phlosten> i would have thought marketing would be generally encompassed in the previous project suggestions by default
[10:40:18] <paul_2340> hi phlos
[10:40:23] <bustacap> CD distribution..
[10:40:28] <Phlosten> howdy paul, glad you could make it
[10:40:36] <YukiCuss> 6th Item: CD Distribution.
[10:40:39] <jellyware> maybe one project for home users/one for business phlos
[10:40:46] <elkbuntu> we need to get shipit do send a few hundred cds over
[10:40:52] <elkbuntu> to start with
[10:40:52] <YukiCuss> jellyware, care to talk about plans?
[10:40:54] <paul_2340> yeah i closed simcity 4... :)
[10:41:06] <Fujitsu> I think each state needs one or two people with vast numbers of CDs.
[10:41:09] <bustacap> Phlosten, yeah, read above, the third project is marketing for the home user and complements the rest of the projects..
[10:41:30] <Fujitsu> As my comment in the Wiki says.
[10:41:31] <manicka> how would distribution work
[10:41:37] <jellyware> as a team can we get more cd's from shipit
[10:41:42] <elkbuntu> i'm at the border between nsw and victoria, but i'm also living at home
[10:41:44] <Phlosten> bustacap, sounds good, home user marketing on its own, others rolled into previous projects
[10:41:46] <jellyware> I hav'nt placed a large order yet...
[10:41:49] <ndazza> jellyware: i got 500 for a lug with no questions asked
[10:42:08] <YukiCuss> !
[10:42:10] <YukiCuss> Wow.
[10:42:12] <bustacap> wow!!
[10:42:15] <jellyware> ndazza. got any left?
[10:42:17] <bustacap> haha..
[10:42:19] <Fujitsu> ndazza, nice.
[10:42:21] <Phlosten> i have 10 to give away \o/
[10:42:27] <bustacap> I thought ordering 30 was greedy..
[10:42:45] <jellyware> anyone got any contacts with shipit?
[10:42:45] <bustacap> well, I think an important matter on this issue is..
[10:42:50] <elkbuntu> i ordered the 15 pack but they didnt come in very good shape at all :(
[10:42:50] <Fujitsu> Being in a team is likely to eat your CD supplies :)
[10:42:50] <ndazza> jellyware: yeah i do, but the new release is just around the corner isn't it?
[10:43:03] <bustacap> to make sure that we get the Dapper CD when it is released..
[10:43:04] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, I got 15 as well, and they arrived fine.
[10:43:06] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:43:11] <Fujitsu> Can we preorder Dapper?
[10:43:14] <YukiCuss> I think it's safe to say most of us will quite likely be getting a good number of Dapper CDs, especially now that we're ready.
[10:43:16] <bustacap> so we can hand out the CDs in line with the general buzz
[10:43:21] <Fujitsu> It would be a good idea to make sure we get them ASAP.
[10:43:29] <bustacap> Fujitsu, I think this matter should be raised in the CC
[10:43:31] <covox> I think preorders start a month before the release date
[10:43:31] <jellyware> ndazza. its a good point. we should make a big effort with next distro
[10:43:34] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:43:38] <Fujitsu> I might raise that point.
[10:43:45] <bustacap> make sure that you ask that we get the CDs ASAP on release..
[10:43:56] <bustacap> perhaps we can talk some numbers here as well whilst on the topic..
[10:44:04] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, some of my cds were even in the cases, they were loose in the pack, and most of them have a scratch line from where the packaging rubbed
[10:44:11] <YukiCuss> It's going to be hard to catch the buzz as, as soon as it's released, ShipIt will start to get in gear, whereas many will be going ahead and download anytway.
[10:44:13] <YukiCuss> anyway*
[10:44:25] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[10:44:33] * bustacap would like 50 x86 and 15 x64 dapper to begin with..
[10:44:38] <ndazza> consider buying in quantities of 50, that way the cd boxes are packed full
[10:44:44] <manicka> we're not targeting existing users with these are we?
[10:44:50] <ndazza> i had 12 boxes arrive, and only one was even slightly damaged
[10:44:52] <YukiCuss> manicka, ideally no.
[10:44:54] <Fujitsu> More x64's are likely to be useful this time around.
[10:44:58] <YukiCuss> ndazza, good suggestion.
[10:45:03] <bustacap> manicka, we are targetting both..
[10:45:09] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, remember that x64's limited restricted format abilities are likely to deter a new user.
[10:45:20] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:45:22] <Fujitsu> Good point.
[10:45:24] <jellyware> ndazza, can we chat later. love to get some cds to distribute now..
[10:45:25] <bustacap> I have handed out the official Ubuntu CDs to many existing users, they are just greatful for the shiny packaging..
[10:45:38] <ndazza> jellyware: sure
[10:45:40] <Fujitsu> Yeah, the packaging makes it look better :)
[10:45:42] <YukiCuss> bustacap, quite right. Official CDs are much more convincing than hand-burnt ones.
[10:45:53] <bustacap> yeah, but existing users also appreciate them..
[10:45:56] <YukiCuss> Nautrally.
[10:45:58] <manicka> yes, we need the real ones
[10:46:00] <Fujitsu> Hand-burnt ones give new users that illegal feel.
[10:46:02] <YukiCuss> Naturally*.
[10:46:09] <manicka> lol
[10:46:12] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, not so much illegal as just generically dodgey.
[10:46:16] <elkbuntu> indeed
[10:46:18] <bustacap> ok, so lets get an idea of numbers again..
[10:46:21] <YukiCuss> I think we are all agreed that we need to get CDs as fast as we can get our hands on them.
[10:46:37] <bustacap> 50 x86 and 15 x64 dapper to begin with.. for me..
[10:46:39] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:46:39] <elkbuntu> yep
[10:46:44] <Fujitsu> Or faster than we can get them.
[10:46:44] <YukiCuss> There are plenty of us here who can distribute to his or her local area, so it's probably best to not order them in bulk to one person.
[10:46:49] <bustacap> yes mention it at the CC
[10:46:49] <jellyware> yuki. can you discuss this at the next ubuntu meeting?
[10:46:54] <YukiCuss> jellyware, naturally.
[10:46:59] <elkbuntu> i'll do an order of 50-100, but i doubt i'll be able to do much with many more than that
[10:47:01] <Fujitsu> We can bring it up at the CC.
[10:47:23] <ndazza> we found 500 to be a bit excessive for our needs (townsville, population 150k)
[10:47:35] <bustacap> so how many do you think you will want - 500 for Australia?
[10:47:37] <jellyware> If somone can get them to me I'm happy to start some kind of distribution channel...
[10:47:37] <manicka> Yes I'll be aimnig at a mixed 100
[10:47:39] <elkbuntu> ndazza, albury-wodonga, general area = approx that
[10:47:41] <bustacap> x86..
[10:47:41] <YukiCuss> In this case, we're distributing all over the most of the right hand side of Australia.
[10:47:50] <elkbuntu> general extended area, i mean
[10:48:01] <Phlosten> perhaps maybe we can organise with a shipit contact a list of ubuntu-au members who will be ordering so they can verify it easily and prioritise for us
[10:48:08] <YukiCuss> We'll want to give out mostly x86 CDs. x86_64 ones are less useful for new users at the very least.
[10:48:10] <Fujitsu> East coast is pretty much covered.
[10:48:17] <YukiCuss> Phlosten, a good idea, one Fujitsu and I can discuss at the CC meeting.
[10:48:19] <manicka> +1 Pholsen
[10:48:20] <jellyware> phlos. love the idea....
[10:48:24] <bimberi> i think to provide a contact so that people can have a CD posted to them at cost
[10:48:29] <Fujitsu> x86 for most. Perhaps throw in an extra x86_64 for some people.
[10:48:31] <bustacap> yeah, let's have an initiative later to promote Ubuntu in perth/free-o
[10:48:33] <elkbuntu> is there anyone else here in my general area?
[10:48:35] <ndazza> mac cds are more in demand than _64
[10:48:41] <rob> I would track down and ask jdub about CD numbers, if anyone he would be the one to ask
[10:48:43] * bustacap should be covering Brissie
[10:48:45] <Phlosten> if you can make the shipit peoples jobs easier they will like you!
[10:48:53] <YukiCuss> ndazza, you've got a good point.
[10:48:55] <Fujitsu> Probably, Phlosten.
[10:49:00] <Fujitsu> ndazza, true.
[10:49:13] <jellyware> maybe we can have a link to a group that can do local mailout. I'd go on it
[10:49:22] <YukiCuss> jellyware, most important is a few major people in each state/region.
[10:49:46] <YukiCuss> bustacap, good idea about Perth, we definitely need some people from over there.
[10:49:47] <jellyware> like a local shipit...
[10:49:52] <elkbuntu> well, you could say i have the hume/riverina area
[10:49:59] <bustacap> nice..
[10:50:10] <bustacap> so next point..
[10:50:13] <YukiCuss> Areas are something that needs to be worked out formally (ie. definitely).
[10:50:21] <YukiCuss> Anyone else have something to say?
[10:50:23] <YukiCuss> We're running a bit short on time.
[10:50:26] * elkbuntu nods at YukiCuss
[10:50:30] <bustacap> yes, Dapper is delayed to July now..
[10:50:32] <rob> YukiCuss, just base them on existing LUGs
[10:50:40] <elkbuntu> july?
[10:50:42] <bimberi> July!?
[10:50:42] <manicka> yes, let's move on
[10:50:45] <YukiCuss> June*.
[10:50:47] <bustacap> June
[10:50:47] <jellyware> so maybe lets try to get some before that..
[10:50:49] <bustacap> sorry
[10:50:49] <elkbuntu> thankyou
[10:50:56] <bustacap> yes, next point..
[10:50:58] <elkbuntu> dont scare us like that :{
[10:51:04] <Fujitsu> 1 June.
[10:51:06] <bustacap> Website/Forum
[10:51:06] <bimberi> phew :)
[10:51:08] <YukiCuss> 6th Item: need for a website/forum.
[10:51:16] <YukiCuss> Just this and one more thing to go, so let's get cracking.
[10:51:18] <elkbuntu> <-- web developer!
[10:51:20] <YukiCuss> The question is, do we need either or both?
[10:51:24] <bustacap> well, do we really need our own page..
[10:51:38] <elkbuntu> i could get us a domain
[10:51:40] <jellyware> whats going on with ubuntu.com.au yuki?
[10:51:46] <YukiCuss> elkbuntu, Canonical is doing that for us.
[10:51:49] <elkbuntu> ah
[10:51:50] <elkbuntu> good
[10:51:52] <bustacap> well, I could think of a blog type page with our goings on
[10:51:54] <YukiCuss> jellyware, I'm still waiting on a reply. Not too muc hlonger.
[10:51:59] <YukiCuss> bustacap, +1
[10:52:01] <Phlosten> my comments, we would only need a dedicated web page for static information such as who we are/mission statement
[10:52:06] <Fujitsu> I'm waiting on a replice from Henrik Omma about hosting./
[10:52:18] <bustacap> oh ok, so the wheels are in motion (I almost replaced wheels with balls for some reason)
[10:52:20] <elkbuntu> Phlosten, everything we need can be wikied
[10:52:20] <Fujitsu> bustacap, +1
[10:52:22] <jellyware> if we can register an official non-profit org we can have ubuntu.org.au
[10:52:34] <YukiCuss> Ideally, we can give some up-to-date information, so our activity is known.
[10:52:39] <bustacap> yeah, but ubuntu.com.au will be more "uniform"
[10:52:45] <Phlosten> elkbuntu, yes, everything dynamic on a wiki
[10:52:50] <Fujitsu> ubuntu-au.org is more uniform.
[10:52:52] <bustacap> yes, with pictures - don't forget the photos! :D
[10:52:57] <YukiCuss> bustacap, I'm talking to a corporation who owns that domain about it.
[10:53:04] <bustacap> nice..
[10:53:04] <Fujitsu> Mmmmm... Wiki isn't the ideal format for information dissemination.
[10:53:06] <rob> what is the status on ubuntu.com.au?
[10:53:06] <YukiCuss> Of course photos. :)
[10:53:06] <ndazza> bustacap: you would need to be a commercial entity to get a .com.au i think
[10:53:14] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:53:16] <rob> have we gotten anywere on that?
[10:53:18] <Fujitsu> You need an ABN for a .com.au
[10:53:28] * bimberi thinks both should simply link to the same site
[10:53:29] <bustacap> Fujitsu, Wikis encourage greater participation though..
[10:53:31] <paul_2340> how about getting a .net.au?
[10:53:31] <rob> bah, so tired already
[10:53:34] <manicka> if henrik will give us space then we should go with that
[10:53:36] <jellyware> ubuntu.com.au is owned by solutions first in horsby. yuki is on it
[10:53:39] <YukiCuss> rob, still waiting on it. I've asked if they're going to donate it.
[10:53:41] <Fujitsu> Although if it were donated by SolutionsFirst, it would be a different matter.
[10:53:43] <Phlosten> Fujitsu, and a registered business name related to the site?
[10:53:48] <rob> Fujitsu, go though Ubuntu itself
[10:53:50] <bustacap> ndazza, we could get Canonical to buy it..
[10:54:10] <bustacap> ok, let's wrap this up guys..
[10:54:16] <YukiCuss> It's possible that we could get ourselves registered as some sort of official organisational presence in Australia, but that's a different matter entirely (and not relevant right now).
[10:54:18] <Fujitsu> SolutionsFirst has it already, rob. We can go through nastier channels if necessary.
[10:54:20] <rob> get cononical to register the Ubuntu name and get an ABN, then ask for the domain name
[10:54:35] <Fujitsu> We could rob.
[10:54:39] <bustacap> next item.. ?
[10:54:46] <rob> SolutionsFirst will be forced to hand it over for domain name squatting
[10:54:48] <YukiCuss> At the moment, it seems that some way to give more information is necessary, but via a Wiki or (whatever) is unknown. Forums also unknown, consider postponing.
[10:54:56] <jellyware> someone has ubuntu pty ltd in aust...
[10:54:58] <YukiCuss> We should move on, so let's attend to the last item.
[10:55:05] <Fujitsu> Do they, jellyware!?
[10:55:07] <YukiCuss> 7th Item: Logo.
[10:55:08] <Fujitsu> If they do, we can eat them.
[10:55:10] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:55:15] <bustacap> logos!!
[10:55:16] <Fujitsu> Logo is important.
[10:55:18] <bimberi> Fujitsu: Fantastic job on the logos!!!!!
[10:55:18] <bustacap> the fun part :D
[10:55:21] <praetorian> rob: i doubt such a heavy hand will be needed with solutions first
[10:55:23] <jellyware> fuji. yes. do an acn search. they are listed
[10:55:23] <Phlosten> possibly just develop the wiki as it were for now, and once it starts getting bigger, consider alternatives
[10:55:23] <bustacap> +1 Fujitsu
[10:55:25] <YukiCuss> There are three propositions.
[10:55:29] <elkbuntu> i havent seen logos yet
[10:55:31] <bustacap> ok, a vote?
[10:55:33] <YukiCuss> Everyone: see bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MeetingAgenda
[10:55:35] <rob> praetorian, I hope it wouldn't come to that, but yeah
[10:55:50] <bustacap> one vote per person, no more..
[10:55:56] <YukiCuss> They can be known as #1, #2, and #3 respectively.
[10:55:58] <manicka> I like the middle one with the stars raised up a bit more
[10:56:05] <Fujitsu> The left-most logo is likely to constitute a copyright breach, although I'm not sure.
[10:56:07] <YukiCuss> If you like, PM your votes to me. xP
[10:56:09] <jellyware> I like 2 as well
[10:56:17] <bustacap> I am not in favour of the superimposing of the logo
[10:56:18] <elkbuntu> yeh, the stars breaking out of the ubuntu logo edges is best
[10:56:31] <manicka> #2
[10:56:33] <bustacap> perhaps the stars could be inside the circle like all other LoCo team logos..
[10:56:35] <elkbuntu> middle
[10:56:43] <elkbuntu> however
[10:56:47] <YukiCuss> I am thinking perhaps reducing the Southern Cross to fit inside the centre is an idea.
[10:56:47] <bimberi> i had a thought with #1, that the three elements of the kangaroo could be done in the 3 ubuntu colours
[10:56:54] <elkbuntu> newzealand also use the southern cross in their flag
[10:57:02] <bustacap> kangaroo is more identifiable with Australia
[10:57:02] <Fujitsu> Easily done, bimberi.
[10:57:05] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, noted.
[10:57:07] <Fujitsu> It is.
[10:57:09] <jellyware> 1 looks like "made in aust"
[10:57:11] <YukiCuss> bustacap, good point.
[10:57:13] <manicka> I don't like the kangaroo
[10:57:17] <manicka> to cliche
[10:57:19] <bimberi> Fujitsu: yeah, i heard you picked ub SVG really quickly :)
[10:57:19] <Phlosten> if there is still debate over those three maybe we should postpone official selection until next fortnight?
[10:57:21] <bustacap> not many Northern Hemisphere people know of the southern cross..
[10:57:23] <bimberi> *up
[10:57:23] <elkbuntu> busta yes, and the green is not right with the ochre colours
[10:57:37] <bustacap> manicka, how about a pic of Aus instead..
[10:57:41] <rob> whatever logo, just take the design to the CC and ask
[10:57:43] <YukiCuss> Perhaps it's an idea to work on more logo ideas until 4th April.
[10:57:45] <bustacap> elkbuntu, the colour is subject to approval :)
[10:57:47] <manicka> our logo is for us, not them
[10:57:50] <Fujitsu> bustacap designed #1, I think... (correct me if I'm wrong)
[10:57:55] <bimberi> YukiCuss: +1
[10:58:12] <Fujitsu> YukiCuss +1
[10:58:14] <rob> manicka, yes, but get it approved for use and there will be no copyright etc issues
[10:58:14] <bustacap> well, I think we could rehash the logo proposals then..
[10:58:25] <manicka> stars inside the circle has some merit
[10:58:25] * Phlosten would prefer to wait for further development of logos
[10:58:31] <Fujitsu> Other people in support of postponing logo selection>?
[10:58:31] <manicka> I'd like to see that
[10:58:36] <elkbuntu> YukiCuss, +1
[10:58:39] <Fujitsu> People with ideas, please PM/email me.
[10:58:41] <manicka> +1
[10:58:41] <jellyware> +1
[10:58:41] <YukiCuss> Sounds good.
[10:58:43] <bustacap> manicka, it's about a recognisable icon..
[10:58:50] <bustacap> +1 Fujitsu
[10:58:55] * bimberi tried making a kangaroo shape with the bits of the ubuntu logo and ended up with a right mess :P
[10:59:10] <Fujitsu> bimberi, I gave up on that a while ago :)
[10:59:16] <YukiCuss> Well, if you have an idea, good idea to contact Fujitsu who can make us a nice SVG idea. :)
[10:59:24] <YukiCuss> Eer, graphic*.
[10:59:32] <bimberi> Fujitsu: i don't think Canonical would approve anyway
[10:59:40] <manicka> bustacap I know, but I just don't like the kangaroo
[10:59:47] <bustacap> how about a sunburnt Australia + Tas in the middle of the circle? :D
[10:59:49] <YukiCuss> bimberi, almost like disassembling the Australian flag. xP
[10:59:52] <bustacap> that would look hot!
[11:00:03] <rob> bustacap, I would like to see something like that
[11:00:05] <Phlosten> bustacap, indeed
[11:00:08] <rob> keep it basic and simple
[11:00:13] <bustacap> yeah..
[11:00:15] <elkbuntu> yeah
[11:00:20] <elkbuntu> simple is more recognisable
[11:00:22] <YukiCuss> Sounds like keys are to keeping it recognizable, and making sure we all like it.
[11:00:39] <ndazza> YukiCuss: that might never come about... :)
[11:00:44] <bustacap> yeah, well, can we vote on the sunburnt aus+tas idea to get Fujitsu to work on it??
[11:00:47] <bimberi> part ii might be hard :)
[11:00:51] <YukiCuss> ndazza, of course. :) With a small group we might just make it.
[11:00:56] <Fujitsu> Part II?
[11:01:04] <YukiCuss> `making sure we all like it.' :)
[11:01:08] <rob> bustacap, come to the next meeting with an example for us to look at, then vote
[11:01:10] <bimberi> " making sure we all like it"
[11:01:16] <jellyware> +1
[11:01:18] <YukiCuss> Sounds like next meeting it is!
[11:01:19] <bustacap> ok..
[11:01:24] <bustacap> +1 rob
[11:01:32] <bustacap> Fujitsu will draught it up..
[11:01:34] <Phlosten> hand draw something and scan it
[11:01:38] <rob> sounds good
[11:01:40] <manicka> w00t, this has been the fastest meeting I've ever attended, nice work everyone
[11:01:42] <Phlosten> it can be prettied up later
[11:01:42] <bustacap> ok, guys, thanks all for attending..
[11:01:47] <Fujitsu> I can make it, yes.
[11:01:47] <YukiCuss> Sounds great!
[11:01:49] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:01:51] <Fujitsu> That's it.
[11:01:51] <YukiCuss> And we just made an hour. :)
[11:01:58] <bustacap> yeah, manicka I have been keeping a quick pace (I know what others are like)
[11:01:58] <elkbuntu> we rock
[11:02:01] <bustacap> this has to be a record
[11:02:06] <bimberi> perhaps have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Logos where people can add ideas
[11:02:08] <bustacap> that's why we blitz world records :D
[11:02:10] <jellyware> woo hoo!
[11:02:14] <YukiCuss> bimberi, good!
[11:02:14] <Fujitsu> Next meeting for 1000UTC on April 4?
[11:02:23] * elkbuntu points to the topic.
[11:02:29] <manicka> sounds good
[11:02:29] <elkbuntu> busta, remember... no commie talk
[11:02:32] <bustacap> sweet well I hope somebody does up some minutes for this meeting off the MeetingAgenda page
[11:02:34] <YukiCuss> Next unofficial `Wiki' meeting (for people who want to discuss it) on 28th, 1000UTC.
[11:02:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Fujitsu
[11:02:48] <bustacap> great..
[11:02:50] * elkbuntu slaps bustacap around a bit with BOFH excuse #345: Having to manually track the satellite.
[11:02:59] <elkbuntu> there.. he's been dealt with Fujitsu :D
[11:03:19] <bustacap> alright guys - I have to cruise, thanks for getting through all of my crackpot ideas..
[11:03:27] <YukiCuss> bustacap, an excellent motivating speaker!
[11:03:31] <manicka> np
[11:03:33] <bustacap> until next time..
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