= Log of meeting on 5/6/08 = == Topics == ||Who||What|| ||Rocket2DMn||Find users to help update the Community wiki to be up to speed with Hardy Heron.|| ||Rocket2DMn||BT Tracker (like the UA Tracker) - a work in progress. Mention and discuss it.|| ||bodhi.zazen||Anybody interested in setting up and/or mentoring in #ubuntu-classroom?|| ||bodhi.zazen||Is there an interest in a Beginner Team Avatar, or group of avatars|| == Log == May 06 19:04:48 bodhi_zazen, lets roll May 06 19:04:54 OK , meeting started paultag === Forums === May 06 19:05:22 want to run through the teams / foxus groups ? May 06 19:05:33 Forums : May 06 19:06:01 Forums were updated , as you know May 06 19:06:21 old features will be brought on line ASAP May 06 19:06:22 yes, as we know, jacob crashed the databases May 06 19:06:25 ;) May 06 19:06:26 yeah, it caused havoc in #ubuntu May 06 19:06:30 new features are available May 06 19:06:45 ie social groups May 06 19:06:56 Othewise forums have been brisk May 06 19:07:15 I suggest a heron themed avatar for a month, copy mine if you like May 06 19:07:27 theme for beginners team May 06 19:07:36 bodhi_zazen: +1, I like it May 06 19:07:47 I have been impressed with the dedication of the team in general, keep up the good work May 06 19:07:59 you guys can download and use this avatar: {{http://ubuntuforums.org/customavatars/avatar310232_3.gif}} May 06 19:08:11 thank you for bringing difficult threads here, and threads needing moderation May 06 19:08:25 tronyx dominated that avatar May 06 19:08:34 +1 May 06 19:08:38 thanks tronyx May 06 19:08:58 lmao yw May 06 19:09:04 focus group : IRC May 06 19:09:16 any issues here ? May 06 19:09:20 aj and joe aren't here May 06 19:09:28 how is the ##beginners-help chanel working ? May 06 19:09:42 well May 06 19:09:44 swell May 06 19:09:46 nice May 06 19:09:48 slow but alright st33med has been working his ass off lately May 06 19:09:55 you got that right May 06 19:09:56 ping me there if needed May 06 19:10:13 other irc issues ? May 06 19:10:14 same here, i sit in there but dont check often enough to catch new users May 06 19:10:21 btw is it ok to install a canon printer driver that is RPM via alien? === Wiki === May 06 19:10:34 Focus group : Wiki May 06 19:10:40 st33med: bring it to beginners May 06 19:10:42 st33med, yes, as a last resort May 06 19:10:48 yes wiki May 06 19:10:49 bodhi_zazen, there is no dev May 06 19:10:55 *.deb May 06 19:11:00 comments Rocket2DMn re wiki ? May 06 19:11:02 what about source? May 06 19:11:06 so if any of the Focus Groups want a wiki page, let me know, we now have one for the wiki team and security team May 06 19:11:13 id compile beofre i aliened tbh May 06 19:11:15 Old_Soldier, to ##beginners-help May 06 19:11:28 on another wiki note: May 06 19:12:00 the community documentation is now outdated because of hardy, so if there is something you are good at, it would be helpful to update community docs at help.ubuntu.com/community May 06 19:12:06 OOps ... May 06 19:12:10 just take it slow and easy since we don't own that space May 06 19:12:29 If you see something that should be added here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=773851 May 06 19:12:34 please let me know May 06 19:12:44 My thoughts re: wiki May 06 19:12:55 the wiki is a complex structure .. . May 06 19:13:11 One goal I had was to get BT memebers to wiki May 06 19:13:38 My thought was to get experience writing FAQ or frequent forums answers to the BT wiki pages May 06 19:14:05 If you want to work on the wiki in general : May 06 19:14:18 1. consider joining the wiki mailing team May 06 19:14:40 Rocket2DMn, can you add a link for that to our BT wiki focus group page ? May 06 19:15:01 2. Do not re-create the wheel. If a wiki page exists update / modify that May 06 19:15:27 for example, search the wiki pages for encryption, I think there are 12 wiki pages on encryption. May 06 19:15:46 bodhi_zazen, do you have the link to join the mailing group? May 06 19:15:46 better consolidate them all into 1 or 2 more complete pages May 06 19:15:59 Rocket2DMn, yea, I can get it in a sec May 06 19:16:14 3. If you need help w/ wik ask May 06 19:16:21 <--- ask May 06 19:16:27 I am on the mailing team and there is also #ubutu-doc May 06 19:17:14 Rocket2DMn, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu May 06 19:18:09 ok thank you May 06 19:18:26 Rocket2DMn, this is better : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ May 06 19:18:52 Ah , here : https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc May 06 19:18:54 do you want people to help on help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com May 06 19:19:04 Rocket2DMn, either May 06 19:19:14 any other wiki info ? May 06 19:19:29 nope === Security === May 06 19:19:47 OK, security team ? May 06 19:20:01 tronyx, ping May 06 19:20:11 There is an influx of new users, make sure they understand security May 06 19:20:13 lol May 06 19:20:33 yo May 06 19:20:37 please oh please write up something about shileds up and "stealth" May 06 19:20:47 ahaha May 06 19:20:48 security is flogged off in #ubuntu -- people ask about and are told not to bother May 06 19:20:48 Old_Soldier, good one May 06 19:20:48 i don't have the patience or niceness to handle that May 06 19:20:50 tronyx: give them a website May 06 19:20:56 we need a wiki entry that says "if you ask about shields up you get stabbed like a mother fucker" May 06 19:21:08 Bodsda, that is bad advice May 06 19:21:18 at least link 'em to the security thread May 06 19:21:19 tronyx: Haha May 06 19:21:24 Linux severs can be hacked May 06 19:21:36 bodhi_zazen, not me giving it -- but i see it alot, and dont know enough about security to correct them May 06 19:21:45 Bodsda, jsut post the link May 06 19:21:49 what link? May 06 19:21:55 bodhi_zazen's security link is the best thing for beginners May 06 19:22:04 tronyx, link me plz May 06 19:22:04 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 May 06 19:22:06 tronyx++; May 06 19:22:06 ty May 06 19:22:12 bookmarked May 06 19:22:17 i have honestly though of, "how can i write a better guide" i cannot. it is simple, straight to the point and right there May 06 19:22:39 That link was written by me and reviewed by the staff (mods & admins) May 06 19:22:42 and tronx May 06 19:22:49 people that post "how can i secure my system" in the security section, right below bodhi_zazen's sticky will most likely not properly secure their box May 06 19:22:53 il talk to #ubuntu-ops about getting a !security added with that link May 06 19:23:11 thanks Bodsda === Launchpad === May 06 19:23:23 Launchpad team ? May 06 19:23:32 I am not that active on launchpad May 06 19:23:47 toxicity isn't here May 06 19:23:49 * Bodsda damn launchpad havent even replied to my bug report May 06 19:23:54 Am I forgetting any focus group ? May 06 19:24:01 Bodsda, be patient May 06 19:24:05 bug reports take time Bodsa May 06 19:24:08 * Bodsda i know -- lol May 06 19:24:17 they fixed my bug, and I got an e-mail :) May 06 19:24:24 lucky you -- ;~) May 06 19:24:30 yes, twas nice May 06 19:24:33 took a year May 06 19:24:34 : ) May 06 19:24:36 bodhi_zazen: well ar'nt you special May 06 19:24:36 hahaha May 06 19:25:23 OK next to the agenda then May 06 19:25:32 I think we covered #1 May 06 19:25:39 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BTMeetings === Beginners Team Tracker === May 06 19:25:53 #2 BT tracker May 06 19:26:03 yes, the tracker, a work in progress May 06 19:26:13 the tracker for UA was down after forums upgrade May 06 19:26:14 if you guys wanna launchpad thats a good candidate May 06 19:26:22 BT tracker in progress May 06 19:26:24 the Unanswered Posts team has an simple online tracker with a FF plugin May 06 19:26:37 I got my hands on the code and modified it to our purposes, but it's still not complete May 06 19:26:48 Rocket2DMn, need help ? May 06 19:26:53 Kidders, the guy who wrote the UA tracker code suggested we might modify it to work for both teams on the same site May 06 19:26:57 Rocket2DMn: I will donate some of my server, and time to get it working May 06 19:26:58 Rocket2DMn: change the icon please May 06 19:27:08 he's hard to get ahold of, but that might be a more interesting path to take May 06 19:27:08 for those of us on both teams... May 06 19:27:25 we already have serverspace on codechunk.net May 06 19:27:33 I encourage team members to join UA May 06 19:27:38 http://bt.codechunk.net/ May 06 19:27:38 ok, Rocket2DMn: I have a godaddy server, if we need it May 06 19:27:41 ok May 06 19:27:42 cool then May 06 19:27:46 OK, I am going to skip to #4 May 06 19:27:52 whats #4? May 06 19:27:56 what happened to #3? May 06 19:27:58 i wont be able to get to work on it for another month or so though, so it's on hold === BT Title/Avatar === May 06 19:28:12 #4 is an offshoot of the idea of a BT title / avatar on the fourms May 06 19:28:17 ok May 06 19:28:20 Bodsda, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BTMeetings May 06 19:28:30 aaahhh,., got ya May 06 19:28:33 I just want to use the tracker for posts that you need help with May 06 19:28:51 We can not do custom titles, but we could do a team avatar or avatar themes May 06 19:28:54 some people use the UA tracker for all posts, i think that is overkill and floods with useless links to posts May 06 19:29:02 Is there any interest ? May 06 19:29:12 Interest in "senior" memvers only ? May 06 19:29:15 bodhi_zazen: I'll follow it May 06 19:29:15 Rocket2DMn: thats what aj wanted May 06 19:29:15 i can do a few nifty things in gimp May 06 19:29:17 *members May 06 19:29:31 sounds good bodhi_zazen May 06 19:29:42 i'm down, already got my hardy avatar May 06 19:29:46 i agree sounds good May 06 19:29:57 yep got the bird going here too May 06 19:30:01 Same avatar for everyone , or themes ? May 06 19:30:03 I got the bird May 06 19:30:10 I'd be up for it May 06 19:30:18 bodhi_zazen, what do you mean by themes May 06 19:30:18 same avatar May 06 19:30:30 We can pick a theme like sex gods May 06 19:30:36 ahahahahahaha May 06 19:30:38 lets do it May 06 19:30:44 who was it that had the hot lesbian cousin for wallpapaer... May 06 19:30:47 and everyone may choose their own sex-god avatar May 06 19:30:52 y_lee i think May 06 19:30:53 i want that as our avatar... May 06 19:30:54 that's hot May 06 19:30:57 Haha May 06 19:31:01 lol I like better May 06 19:31:09 do you approve them bodhi_zazen May 06 19:31:10 ill get a pic of myself May 06 19:31:14 cousin pic was me May 06 19:31:22 Same avatar has the advantage in that it identifies the team May 06 19:31:23 paultag, that would need some major photoshopping buddy May 06 19:31:25 well everyones blaitantly gonna post a pic of themselves May 06 19:31:29 Rocket2DMn: haha May 06 19:31:33 lol May 06 19:31:38 in which case, for sex god you get compiledkernel link May 06 19:31:52 hey, who wants a free iPod May 06 19:31:58 lol May 06 19:32:10 compiled is gonna be giving away free sparc10s soon lol May 06 19:32:15 lol May 06 19:32:26 there was a troll in #ubuntu the other day using ck links so i !copyright 'ed him May 06 19:32:39 If we use a tem avatar, I suggest a "core" image and people can add to that image w/ the gimp May 06 19:32:46 ahaha, Bodsda: CompildedKernel May 06 19:32:46 afk for dinner guys, i hope someone taking minutes May 06 19:32:57 i'll catch up on them once they are uploaded and if need be, get back to the appropriate people asap May 06 19:33:04 Like for example, start w/ bird , add/subtract, etc May 06 19:33:10 bye May 06 19:33:16 thats a lot of work May 06 19:33:16 bodhi_zazen: I like it May 06 19:33:21 Rocket2DMn: nah May 06 19:33:26 Rocket2DMn: one time for a sweet team theme May 06 19:33:46 the core pic would have to stand out so the avatars can be noticely grouped May 06 19:33:46 sex god : {{http://www.3pointd.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/rocky1.jpg}} May 06 19:33:59 bodhi_zazen: hahaha May 06 19:34:02 Bodsda, yea May 06 19:34:14 na not that bodhi_zazen May 06 19:34:19 :( May 06 19:34:22 what about the hardy, and just add shit that we think is cool? May 06 19:34:28 il av a bit of that -- oh fuck me ,, my dreams come true May 06 19:34:49 paultag, that works May 06 19:34:58 paultag, you mean the current bitd ? May 06 19:35:01 yeah May 06 19:35:02 or something else May 06 19:35:10 bodhi_zazen: I have it in GIMP now, I can clear out the ubu logo, and we can add stuff May 06 19:35:23 * Joeb454 (n=Joe@unaffiliated/joeb454) has joined #ubuntuforums-beginners May 06 19:35:23 * ChanServ gives voice to Joeb454 May 06 19:35:31 paultag, can u link me to the raw bird imagge plz May 06 19:35:39 ill post in a sec May 06 19:35:42 as an idea May 06 19:35:42 OK, wiki page for avatar ideas, we can review them and update the wiki ? May 06 19:35:43 ty May 06 19:37:02 {{http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2371/avatar3102323zt5.png}} May 06 19:37:04 my idea May 06 19:37:20 stoned bird? May 06 19:37:28 then do something sweet, like I am sure bodhi_zazen would add a ying yang or something :P May 06 19:37:34 spiderbatdad: hell yeah May 06 19:37:52 yes we can bodhi_zazen May 06 19:38:11 :) May 06 19:38:28 OK, lets work on some ideas then, over the next few days / weeks May 06 19:39:05 paultag, I would likely do something along the line of my user bar May 06 19:39:33 bodhi_zazen: ok, cool -- I was just throwing ideas around, I like the idea of keeping a team theme going May 06 19:39:35 Made w/ gimp and adding some interesting features, using a piece of the bird, like head ? May 06 19:39:52 OK, last #3 === Ubuntu-classroom Mentoring === May 06 19:39:52 ubuntu-ops dont want forum links in factoids,.,. but think we should link the wiki already mentioned in !security to the forum May 06 19:40:10 LOL Bodsda May 06 19:40:13 me May 06 19:40:20 yeah i read the site this time May 06 19:40:56 I was considering the possibility or running some king of teaching session, either here or in #ubuntu-classroom May 06 19:41:09 bodhi_zazen: I support it May 06 19:41:12 were we could cover specific topics in detail / education May 06 19:41:14 I want to be king May 06 19:41:15 bodhi_zazen: I will donate time if you need me May 06 19:41:20 i would like to be a part of this if allowed May 06 19:41:38 Most of the more experienced members are willing to teach May 06 19:42:04 Team members are responsible for determining topics they want covered May 06 19:42:17 and we / I will see who will contribute May 06 19:42:29 We need to set a time / location May 06 19:42:32 ##beginners-help ? May 06 19:42:36 Once a month ? May 06 19:42:37 bodhi_zazen: humm May 06 19:42:41 bodhi_zazen: I like classroom May 06 19:42:52 classroom would be my #1 May 06 19:42:53 beginners help, we might be actually helping someone May 06 19:43:09 I think we should make this in a seperate room May 06 19:43:11 is it hard to get time on classroom ? May 06 19:43:15 yeah, i think it should be either here or in another channel May 06 19:43:22 not ##beginners-help May 06 19:43:29 OK May 06 19:43:33 classroom = #1 May 06 19:43:37 i like classroom tbh May 06 19:43:38 here = #2 May 06 19:43:41 makes sense May 06 19:43:44 +1 May 06 19:43:53 #beginner-classroom = #3 May 06 19:44:02 beginners-help? May 06 19:44:07 what's this going on? then May 06 19:44:30 Joeb454: teaching sessions May 06 19:44:35 dare I say, should we make a wiki page for team education ? May 06 19:44:40 for who, and on what May 06 19:44:48 Joeb454: anyone, whatever May 06 19:44:52 where we can co-ordinate topics / gurus May 06 19:44:56 yes May 06 19:44:57 ^ that May 06 19:45:33 fair enough May 06 19:45:36 If we do this, I also suggest the session be logged May 06 19:45:45 * Joeb454 is a little sleepy, but I'll try and follow ;) May 06 19:45:45 bodhi_zazen++; May 06 19:45:49 Joeb454, we are finishing the meeting May 06 19:45:53 I am on item #4 May 06 19:45:59 no ur on #3 May 06 19:46:03 bodhi_zazen: we should post it. just in case its usefull May 06 19:46:05 we did #4 already May 06 19:46:15 crap I forgot the meeting was tonight, sorry May 06 19:46:23 4 ... May 06 19:46:25 no 3 May 06 19:46:26 a week early May 06 19:46:28 ahhhhhh .... May 06 19:46:30 lol May 06 19:47:07 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BTMeetings May 06 19:47:23 who is doing the minutes for this meeting? May 06 19:47:25 thought we voted on second Tuesdays May 06 19:47:28 Who is doing minutes of today's meeting ? May 06 19:47:41 bodhi_zazen: chanlog.... oh wait May 06 19:47:42 spiderbatdad, we gots confused May 06 19:47:52 I'm back-up minutes May 06 19:48:04 i can dig out the log i think (if im loging this) May 06 19:48:04 * Bodsda wont bother then May 06 19:48:06 ok -- back to #3 May 06 19:48:14 have we decided anything? May 06 19:48:19 we posted a new meeting time May 06 19:48:25 here , on this channel May 06 19:48:29 and here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BTMeetings May 06 19:48:35 you're fine May 06 19:48:38 paultag, ?? May 06 19:48:39 mis May 06 19:48:42 not yet May 06 19:48:44 vote ? May 06 19:48:54 communist May 06 19:48:59 bodhi_zazen: I think a vote is in order May 06 19:49:07 all in favor of educational sessions ? May 06 19:49:08 classroom +1 May 06 19:49:11 o/ May 06 19:49:11 +2 May 06 19:49:16 I will try and help May 06 19:49:21 I'm in favor May 06 19:49:23 i'm indifferent May 06 19:49:32 Rocket2DMn, no your different May 06 19:49:34 ;~) May 06 19:49:35 all opposed ? May 06 19:49:45 classroom +1 May 06 19:50:06 I'm not fussed, I'll try and attend and help as well if we do it :) May 06 19:50:12 will the classroom be set timetable of lessons or a drop in clinic? May 06 19:50:14 Who is interested in "attending" (if you feel you are less experienced, now is your chance) May 06 19:50:21 o/ May 06 19:50:23 me me me May 06 19:50:25 i wanna attend May 06 19:50:25 Bodsda, seheduled May 06 19:50:28 o/ May 06 19:50:29 woot!!!!! May 06 19:50:31 lol May 06 19:50:38 depends on the topic of discussion May 06 19:50:38 ill sit in May 06 19:50:47 ##beginners-help is our "drop in clinic" May 06 19:50:48 i would probably sit in if i was available May 06 19:50:50 I will attend I can always learn something May 06 19:50:51 I would sit in too May 06 19:51:01 * Bodsda thinks 'less experienced' is a long way of saying 'your shit' May 06 19:51:05 OK, lest see what we can put together May 06 19:51:17 Rocket2DMn, would you be so kind as to add a wiki page ? May 06 19:51:27 so people can submit topics May 06 19:51:29 yep vor-ubuntu you never know what else other people may know that you dont May 06 19:51:30 sure, what do you want to call it May 06 19:51:33 bodhi_zazen: do you need me as a "mentor" or whatever May 06 19:51:48 this isnt a focus group is it? May 06 19:51:51 Old_Soldier: Probably a lot May 06 19:52:19 Once people submit topics I can ask for volunters to mentor sessions, then time will be set by mentor May 06 19:52:35 Rocket2DMn, no, yes May 06 19:52:41 educational focus May 06 19:53:06 ok, so Educational focus group May 06 19:53:13 how does one find the wiki? May 06 19:53:24 anyone willing to server as a mentor, list yourself on the educational focus group May 06 19:53:24 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners May 06 19:53:36 anyone want to head up the education focus group ? May 06 19:53:40 i'll setup the page in a few minutes guys, dont touch it May 06 19:53:44 o/ May 06 19:53:48 Thanks Rocket2DMn May 06 19:53:55 thanks paultag May 06 19:54:04 any other volunteers ? May 06 19:54:19 bodhi_zazen, ican manage it but dont think i have the experience to 'head it up' May 06 19:54:26 OK, general plan ... May 06 19:54:33 as for attending I'll be there when I can May 06 19:54:40 1. identify topics and mentors on the wiki page May 06 19:54:48 2. Connect topic to mentor May 06 19:54:49 and mentoring...well I don't know what I can do on that front :) May 06 19:54:55 3. Mentor so set time May 06 19:55:15 bodhi_zazen, you want only mentors on the focus group? May 06 19:55:25 4. Place - Classroom if available May 06 19:55:51 Rocket2DMn, if we can list paultag as leader of the focus group May 06 19:56:01 and have a section for May 06 19:56:05 bodhi_zazen: I would mentor on topics I know well May 06 19:56:09 topic ..... mentor ..... time May 06 19:56:21 then a list of possible mentors ... May 06 19:56:35 bodhi_zazen, how will we know if the classroom is available May 06 19:56:36 sounds good put me down May 06 19:56:38 Thanks Rocket2DMn May 06 19:56:45 I'm going to create a Focus Group page for Education May 06 19:56:53 and thanks to everyone willing to participate May 06 19:56:58 still need to know how to structure the primary FocusGroups page though May 06 19:57:21 Rocket2DMn, I can help w/ that , later thougj May 06 19:57:34 Any other team issues ? May 06 19:57:50 OH, I forgot May 06 19:58:04 nominations for *NEW* team members ? May 06 19:58:16 * Bodsda +1 May 06 19:58:40 bodhi_zazen: in what respect, people or the process May 06 19:58:51 either paultag May 06 19:58:55 bodhi_sasen but he needs to be watched carefully May 06 19:59:05 Old_Soldier++; May 06 19:59:06 * Old_Soldier ducks May 06 19:59:10 lmao May 06 19:59:22 In general I think the process is working well May 06 19:59:25 lol May 06 19:59:27 open to modifications May 06 19:59:31 I think so May 06 19:59:38 the quiz is good, the whole team gets to take shots May 06 19:59:42 yeah May 06 19:59:54 I like that team members are a part of the community, not just a "title" on the forms May 06 20:00:10 bodhi_zazen: for sure May 06 20:00:16 anyone want to suggest quiz questions ? May 06 20:00:20 we only need bodhi_zazen here to give people voice in IRC May 06 20:00:31 sudo -i or sudo -s :D May 06 20:00:39 bodhi_zazen: humm. do we have a list of current questions? May 06 20:00:48 I do :) May 06 20:00:51 what information should be submitted with a bug report? May 06 20:01:07 Bodsda thats a good one May 06 20:01:11 Bodsda, I like to keep the question geared to beginners May 06 20:01:23 mm, I agree May 06 20:01:29