= Log of meeting on 10/7/08 = == General Agenda Items and Proposals == ||Who||What|| ||Rocket2DMn||Movement BT wiki structure to Ubuntu Team Wiki where it actually belongs|| ||[[Cheater7|nhandler]]||[[https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntuforums-beginners/|Beginners Team Mailing List]]|| ||[[Cheater7|nhandler]]||Education and Launchpad Focus Groups|| === Agenda discussion === (none) == Log == [Tue Oct 7 23:05:14 2008] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [Tue Oct 7 23:05:29 2008] late 5 min u guys LOL [Tue Oct 7 23:05:31 2008] I'll be chairing the meeting in bodhi's place today [Tue Oct 7 23:05:47 2008] logging now [Tue Oct 7 23:05:49 2008] Do any of the FG leaders have anything to say? [Tue Oct 7 23:05:57 2008] yay [Tue Oct 7 23:05:58 2008] LOL [Tue Oct 7 23:06:02 2008] lol [Tue Oct 7 23:06:06 2008] just in time [Tue Oct 7 23:06:08 2008] ah speak of the devil [Tue Oct 7 23:06:11 2008] some example you give bodhizazen [Tue Oct 7 23:06:12 2008] .. [Tue Oct 7 23:06:13 2008] bodhizazen: Just in time for the meeting [Tue Oct 7 23:06:31 2008] hey, my family is sick, will not make it .... [Tue Oct 7 23:06:40 2008] nhandler_: ur fier lol [Tue Oct 7 23:06:41 2008] ok bodhizazen , go take care of them [Tue Oct 7 23:06:44 2008] bodhizazen: go see to them. nhandler will be fine [Tue Oct 7 23:06:47 2008] thanks for letting us know [Tue Oct 7 23:06:48 2008] yea [Tue Oct 7 23:06:50 2008] Ok, no problem bodhizazen. Are we able to vote on new members, or should we wait? [Tue Oct 7 23:06:52 2008] bodhizazen, thanks :) [Tue Oct 7 23:07:02 2008] nhandler_: they have to take the test [Tue Oct 7 23:07:02 2008] lets go ahead and vote, end their agony [Tue Oct 7 23:07:17 2008] drubin, if they're up for nomination they should've already done it [Tue Oct 7 23:07:18 2008] we havent voted on jamesrfla yet [Tue Oct 7 23:07:29 2008] sec ... [Tue Oct 7 23:07:31 2008] Hellow, he's not up for nomination [Tue Oct 7 23:07:34 2008] is the meeting just started or almost over? [Tue Oct 7 23:07:34 2008] ah [Tue Oct 7 23:07:38 2008] lets table the voting stuff for a later time guys [Tue Oct 7 23:07:39 2008] just started [Tue Oct 7 23:07:40 2008] DrSmall, starting [Tue Oct 7 23:07:41 2008] just started [Tue Oct 7 23:07:41 2008] we're already late [Tue Oct 7 23:07:42 2008] DrSmall: Just starting [Tue Oct 7 23:07:42 2008] Hellow: jamesrfla hasn't taken the test yet/ have a master [Tue Oct 7 23:07:43 2008] ok [Tue Oct 7 23:07:44 2008] brb again [Tue Oct 7 23:07:59 2008] <_Cloud_> .disconnect [Tue Oct 7 23:08:11 2008] Ok, Tronyx_, do you have anything to say for the Security FG? [Tue Oct 7 23:08:11 2008] It would be OK with me if we vote on new members [Tue Oct 7 23:08:20 2008] but I can not run the meeting ...' [Tue Oct 7 23:08:34 2008] bodhizazen: shall I? [Tue Oct 7 23:08:34 2008] bodhizazen, nhandler_ has you covered [Tue Oct 7 23:08:41 2008] ok, nhandler_ has got it [Tue Oct 7 23:08:49 2008] I need to be doing work [Tue Oct 7 23:08:51 2008] bodhizazen: go attend to your family need we will fine hear mast bodhi [Tue Oct 7 23:09:10 2008] Tronyx_: Any FG news? [Tue Oct 7 23:09:20 2008] nhandler_: I have none [Tue Oct 7 23:09:29 2008] Rocket2DMn: Do you have anything to say on behalf of the Wiki FG? [Tue Oct 7 23:09:33 2008] yeah [Tue Oct 7 23:09:37 2008] DrSmall: I joined the group btw [Tue Oct 7 23:09:45 2008] Ok, Drubin. [Tue Oct 7 23:09:47 2008] thanks [Tue Oct 7 23:09:54 2008] In case you guys hadn't noticed, we moved our wiki structure to wiki.ubuntu.com - this is the Team Wiki, where it is supposed to be [Tue Oct 7 23:10:06 2008] Please update your bookmarks - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/ [Tue Oct 7 23:10:13 2008] I have [Tue Oct 7 23:10:16 2008] and any important forum posts that link to our wiki structure [Tue Oct 7 23:10:22 2008] Rocket2DMn: congratulations [Tue Oct 7 23:10:29 2008] um....? what I though it was help but o forgetit [Tue Oct 7 23:10:51 2008] jamesrfla: That is what Rocket2DMn was just saying. The wiki moved to wiki.ubuntu.com [Tue Oct 7 23:10:52 2008] sorry nhandler_ FG News? [Tue Oct 7 23:11:00 2008] Rocket2DMn: Are you done? [Tue Oct 7 23:11:09 2008] i am finished [Tue Oct 7 23:11:11 2008] Tronyx_: Go ahead [Tue Oct 7 23:11:36 2008] mmmm I don't have too much to say on the issue. Welcome to drubin as the newest part of the security FG team thing and uhmmmm [Tue Oct 7 23:11:55 2008] FG team thing? [Tue Oct 7 23:12:10 2008] Ok, thank you. Joeb454, do you have anything to say for the IRC FG? [Tue Oct 7 23:12:13 2008] well, i guess that's about all. Nothing too eventful to report [Tue Oct 7 23:12:16 2008] currently no IRC FG news :) [Tue Oct 7 23:12:43 2008] Ok, I think that covers all FG where a leader is present [Tue Oct 7 23:12:46 2008] nah [Tue Oct 7 23:12:48 2008] nhandler_: dev [Tue Oct 7 23:12:59 2008] nhandler_: lots of fun projects going on with Dev, primarily working on svn iface, we could use more documents, as well as developers if anyone wants in. [Tue Oct 7 23:13:00 2008] Oh yes, paultag Go ahead [Tue Oct 7 23:13:19 2008] nhandler_: thats about it -- all set nhandler_ [Tue Oct 7 23:13:35 2008] Ok, lets move on to the agenda. [Tue Oct 7 23:13:42 2008] DrSmall: ! [Tue Oct 7 23:13:49 2008] Anybody need me for some odd reason which I don't think you will need me but Ping Me if you need me or just use my nick name. prefers not to read the meeting today [Tue Oct 7 23:13:50 2008] Rocket2DMn: Do you have anything else you want to say about moving the wiki? [Tue Oct 7 23:14:08 2008] Nope. [Tue Oct 7 23:14:29 2008] Oh, anybody who wants to read about our summer of documentation - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki/SoD2008 [Tue Oct 7 23:14:30 2008] Ok, then we will move on to my agenda item [Tue Oct 7 23:14:46 2008] go ahead nhandler_ [Tue Oct 7 23:14:47 2008] We recently got a team mailing list through Launchpad [Tue Oct 7 23:15:02 2008] You can sign up for it by visiting: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuforums-beginners [Tue Oct 7 23:15:22 2008] what's the intended use of it? [Tue Oct 7 23:15:23 2008] I have discussed the use of this mailing list with several team members [Tue Oct 7 23:15:36 2008] Joeb454: I think it should be used for discussion of meeting agenda items [Tue Oct 7 23:15:43 2008] However, I think we should vote on this [Tue Oct 7 23:15:51 2008] I don't want the mailing list to be a flood of crap, kinda like it is now [Tue Oct 7 23:16:02 2008] it needs to be directly on topic [Tue Oct 7 23:16:03 2008] +1 paultag [Tue Oct 7 23:16:03 2008] +1 paultag [Tue Oct 7 23:16:07 2008] paultag: I don't consider true discussion "crap" [Tue Oct 7 23:16:07 2008] +1 paultag [Tue Oct 7 23:16:08 2008] paultag: it is not really flooded [Tue Oct 7 23:16:12 2008] +1. Don't use the list for chit chat, and lolz [Tue Oct 7 23:16:14 2008] +1 paultag [Tue Oct 7 23:16:22 2008] .vote "Should Mailing list be used for meeting agenda discussion" [Tue Oct 7 23:16:22 2008] We Are Now Voting On: Should Mailing list be used for meeting agenda discussion [Tue Oct 7 23:16:22 2008] Vote with +1, -1, or 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:22 2008] You can also /msg VoteBot your vote [Tue Oct 7 23:16:23 2008] nhandler_: indeed [Tue Oct 7 23:16:26 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:28 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:29 2008] OFFICIAL USE ONLY please, keep it professional [Tue Oct 7 23:16:32 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:33 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:33 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:37 2008] Also, keep in mind, a mailiing list eliminates the issue of time zones [Tue Oct 7 23:16:41 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:44 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:44 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:16:49 2008] .vstatus [Tue Oct 7 23:16:50 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:17:04 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:17:11 2008] .vstatus [Tue Oct 7 23:17:21 2008] Any last minute votes? [Tue Oct 7 23:17:24 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:17:34 2008] .vote [Tue Oct 7 23:17:34 2008] We Are Done Voting On: Should Mailing list be used for meeting agenda discussion [Tue Oct 7 23:17:34 2008] 11 People Voted. 9 People For. 0 People Against. 2 People Neutral. [Tue Oct 7 23:17:49 2008] 123++ time zones suck. [Tue Oct 7 23:17:49 2008] Ok, so the mailing list will be used to discuss BT meeting agenda items [Tue Oct 7 23:18:01 2008] o/ [Tue Oct 7 23:18:07 2008] Go ahead drs305 [Tue Oct 7 23:18:19 2008] But not to the exclusion of discussion during meetings] [Tue Oct 7 23:18:32 2008] drs305: Meetings are meant to be for VERY little discussion [Tue Oct 7 23:18:34 2008] Maybe limit of 5 minutes per topic if necessary [Tue Oct 7 23:18:36 2008] They are mainly for voting [Tue Oct 7 23:18:58 2008] "# Agenda items that require more then 5 minutes of discussion may need to be deferred." from the Meetings wiki page [Tue Oct 7 23:19:02 2008] right drs305 . Remember guys, you're supposed to come to the meetings prepared. sometimes we have topics that require a little background knowledge, it's your responsibility to be in the know! [Tue Oct 7 23:19:48 2008] The mailing list will also be used for reminders of various BT events, unless anyone objects [Tue Oct 7 23:20:07 2008] nhandler_: but NOT to create a thread on the event [Tue Oct 7 23:20:09 2008] I suggest mailings include agendas or direct link to the Meetings page [Tue Oct 7 23:20:20 2008] +1, and please use descriptive subject lines [Tue Oct 7 23:20:24 2008] nhandler_: I don't want 6 emails about what everyone thinks about a meeting, just one will suffice [Tue Oct 7 23:20:36 2008] +1 paultag [Tue Oct 7 23:20:47 2008] paultag: It isn't for discussion about the meetings, it is for discussion prior to the meeting about agenda items [Tue Oct 7 23:21:06 2008] nhandler_: 19:19 nhandler_ The mailing list will also be used for reminders of various BT events, unless anyone objects [Tue Oct 7 23:21:08 2008] I will go through the list of people in the BT LP team, and send emails to anyone not subscribed to the mailing list this weekend [Tue Oct 7 23:21:35 2008] nhandler_: I don't want that to become a clusterfsck of emails talking about an item [Tue Oct 7 23:21:37 2008] I think the list is best used for meeting topics and event announcements (like say the Dev FG wants to hold a meeting, or Education wants to give a session) [Tue Oct 7 23:21:39 2008] paultag: Yeah, one reminder email prior to the meeting. Not discussion about what happened at a meeting [Tue Oct 7 23:21:41 2008] couldn't a BB accomplish the same thing and allow people to choose whether they want to receive emails everytime someone responds to a certain thread? [Tue Oct 7 23:22:04 2008] digitalvectorz: We have a forum for the BT already [Tue Oct 7 23:22:23 2008] maybe a broader forum [Tue Oct 7 23:22:29 2008] a entire forum dedicated to the BT [Tue Oct 7 23:22:36 2008] our forums is more than enough, it barely gets used [Tue Oct 7 23:22:39 2008] i thought so nhandler_; so what would the mailing list accomplish that that forum can't? [Tue Oct 7 23:22:43 2008] +1 Rocket2DMn [Tue Oct 7 23:22:47 2008] it could possibly be more efficient, if it gets used [Tue Oct 7 23:22:51 2008] o/ [Tue Oct 7 23:23:00 2008] digitalvectorz: The mailing list ensures that people see the messages. Not everyone checks the BT forum [Tue Oct 7 23:23:03 2008] Go perlluver [Tue Oct 7 23:23:05 2008] where is this forum [Tue Oct 7 23:23:15 2008] perlluver: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=215 [Tue Oct 7 23:23:24 2008] There is a link on the BT team page on LP [Tue Oct 7 23:23:32 2008] thanks [Tue Oct 7 23:23:40 2008] The BT forum is found under UF Teams on the UF homepage [Tue Oct 7 23:23:47 2008] I was thinking about a dedicated forum to the BT when mailing lists was mentioned, i utterly despise them [Tue Oct 7 23:24:13 2008] then in the mailing list (i'm not sure the functionality) but why not have the ability to combine topics in tree-like structures so that if ppl want to read the threads of a certain topic, they can expand the discussion topic? [Tue Oct 7 23:24:37 2008] digitalvectorz: The mailing list is through Launchpad. We are not able to add new features [Tue Oct 7 23:24:42 2008] o/ [Tue Oct 7 23:24:43 2008] i see. [Tue Oct 7 23:24:47 2008] Go ahead bodhizazen ;) [Tue Oct 7 23:24:55 2008] did I miss anything? [Tue Oct 7 23:25:05 2008] post a link to mailing list in BT forum [Tue Oct 7 23:25:20 2008] bodhizazen: I'll post a thread after the meeting [Tue Oct 7 23:25:36 2008] :) [Tue Oct 7 23:25:46 2008] *cough* [Tue Oct 7 23:25:56 2008] Did I miss anything? [Tue Oct 7 23:26:11 2008] st33med, ill post the log, dont worry [Tue Oct 7 23:26:18 2008] Oh I missed it all lol [Tue Oct 7 23:26:19 2008] Can I move on to the next agenda item? [Tue Oct 7 23:26:23 2008] or [Tue Oct 7 23:26:27 2008] nvm [Tue Oct 7 23:26:36 2008] go ahead nhandler_ [Tue Oct 7 23:26:46 2008] mailing list got approved. yes! [Tue Oct 7 23:26:51 2008] +1 from me [Tue Oct 7 23:26:57 2008] As I am sure you are all aware, we have not really had a lead for the LP FG for a while [Tue Oct 7 23:27:12 2008] Toxicity has not been that active, and CoolBhavi has not been around much either [Tue Oct 7 23:27:15 2008] toxicity seems to have mooved on [Tue Oct 7 23:27:17 2008] mooved? [Tue Oct 7 23:27:24 2008] moo ved [Tue Oct 7 23:27:36 2008] lol [Tue Oct 7 23:27:38 2008] bad [Tue Oct 7 23:27:46 2008] he was feeling a little cowed [Tue Oct 7 23:27:51 2008] I would like to take over the role of LP lead instead of being the lead of the Education FG [Tue Oct 7 23:28:07 2008] I propose something [Tue Oct 7 23:28:08 2008] Can we cow tip ;) [Tue Oct 7 23:28:15 2008] What paultag ? [Tue Oct 7 23:28:15 2008] lol [Tue Oct 7 23:28:17 2008] cmon guys, stay on topic please [Tue Oct 7 23:28:21 2008] Ok [Tue Oct 7 23:28:25 2008] that PrivateVoid take over Edu, as part of the Padawan process [Tue Oct 7 23:28:39 2008] nhandler_: then you can go to LP, and edu is put where it needs to be [Tue Oct 7 23:28:41 2008] paultag: Why don't we combine the education and padawan FGs? [Tue Oct 7 23:28:48 2008] nhandler_: that is what I am suggesting [Tue Oct 7 23:28:53 2008] ;) [Tue Oct 7 23:29:14 2008] So, I would have padawans being taught about Python? [Tue Oct 7 23:29:14 2008] .vote "Combine Education and Introductions FGs" [Tue Oct 7 23:29:14 2008] We Are Now Voting On: Combine Education and Introductions FGs [Tue Oct 7 23:29:14 2008] Vote with +1, -1, or 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:14 2008] You can also /msg VoteBot your vote [Tue Oct 7 23:29:16 2008] PV is not here, shall we wait on that nhandler_? [Tue Oct 7 23:29:21 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:23 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:24 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:33 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:38 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:39 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:45 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:48 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:49 2008] paultag: We can get the team's opinion. If PV is not up for it, we can find another solution [Tue Oct 7 23:29:52 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:29:54 2008] nhandler_: ok [Tue Oct 7 23:29:57 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:30:20 2008] Any more votes? [Tue Oct 7 23:30:34 2008] .vstatus [Tue Oct 7 23:30:38 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:30:45 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:30:51 2008] .vstatus [Tue Oct 7 23:31:01 2008] .vote [Tue Oct 7 23:31:01 2008] We Are Done Voting On: Combine Education and Introductions FGs [Tue Oct 7 23:31:01 2008] 11 People Voted. 5 People For. 0 People Against. 6 People Neutral. [Tue Oct 7 23:31:30 2008] Ok, I think we should hold off on merging the 2 FGs. We can discuss this more after the meeting. [Tue Oct 7 23:31:45 2008] We can also bring this up again at the next meeting [Tue Oct 7 23:32:12 2008] .vote "nhandler to be lead of LP FG" [Tue Oct 7 23:32:12 2008] We Are Now Voting On: nhandler to be lead of LP FG [Tue Oct 7 23:32:12 2008] Vote with +1, -1, or 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:12 2008] You can also /msg VoteBot your vote [Tue Oct 7 23:32:18 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:21 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:28 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:31 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:33 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:35 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:45 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:32:55 2008] .vstatus [Tue Oct 7 23:32:57 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:33:24 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:33:28 2008] Any last votes? [Tue Oct 7 23:33:32 2008] 0 [Tue Oct 7 23:33:34 2008] .vstatus [Tue Oct 7 23:34:00 2008] .vote [Tue Oct 7 23:34:00 2008] We Are Done Voting On: nhandler to be lead of LP FG [Tue Oct 7 23:34:00 2008] 9 People Voted. 8 People For. 0 People Against. 1 People Neutral. [Tue Oct 7 23:34:17 2008] +1 [Tue Oct 7 23:34:20 2008] congrats nhandler_ [Tue Oct 7 23:34:23 2008] voice bodhizazen [Tue Oct 7 23:34:24 2008] I will continue to act as lead of the Education FG until we find another solution. [Tue Oct 7 23:34:55 2008] Does anyone else have any agenda items to bring up? [Tue Oct 7 23:36:01 2008] guess not [Tue Oct 7 23:36:35 2008] And we have no padawans to vote on ( digitalvectorz has not been quized yet ) [Tue Oct 7 23:36:39 2008] I don't [Tue Oct 7 23:36:40 2008] o/ [Tue Oct 7 23:36:45 2008] Go ahead perlluver [Tue Oct 7 23:37:07 2008] I would just like to know more about when the FG are going to meet, maybe at the next meeting or something [Tue Oct 7 23:37:22 2008] perlluver: That is up to the individual FG leaders [Tue Oct 7 23:37:25 2008] FG meetings are up to their leaders [Tue Oct 7 23:37:42 2008] ok I am good to go then [Tue Oct 7 23:37:46 2008] hopefully we can announce those on the mailing list as well as post them on the wiki and forum [Tue Oct 7 23:37:47 2008] A tentative schedule is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings#Focus%20Group%20Meetings [Tue Oct 7 23:38:15 2008] Well, if nobody has anything else to discuss, I think we are done for today [Tue Oct 7 23:38:30 2008] o/ [Tue Oct 7 23:39:04 2008] Go ahead drubin [Tue Oct 7 23:39:17 2008] nhandler_: werent we going to discuss new memebers [Tue Oct 7 23:39:25 2008] *members [Tue Oct 7 23:39:28 2008] drubin: There are no new members to vote on [Tue Oct 7 23:39:49 2008] Padawan Master [Tue Oct 7 23:39:50 2008] digitalVectorzpaultag [Tue Oct 7 23:40:01 2008] no quiz yet drubin [Tue Oct 7 23:40:01 2008] ^^ on thewiki [Tue Oct 7 23:40:03 2008] drubin: digitalvectorz has not been quized yet, so he is not eligible [Tue Oct 7 23:40:04 2008] drubin: digi has not been tested yet [Tue Oct 7 23:40:06 2008] no new members ?? [Tue Oct 7 23:40:14 2008] bodhizazen: Sadly, no. [Tue Oct 7 23:40:18 2008] bodhizazen: o me o me!!!!! [Tue Oct 7 23:40:20 2008] bodhizazen: PM me [Tue Oct 7 23:40:43 2008] I think Fall schedules are limiting people's time, with school, work, sports, family, etc [Tue Oct 7 23:40:44 2008] jamesrfla, you have no master to put you forward for the quiz [Tue Oct 7 23:40:48 2008] +1 Rocket2DMn [Tue Oct 7 23:40:51 2008] I have a lot on atm [Tue Oct 7 23:41:02 2008] +1 Joeb454 [Tue Oct 7 23:41:04 2008] Does anybody want to say anything before we end the meeting? [Tue Oct 7 23:41:05 2008] :( [Tue Oct 7 23:41:17 2008] jamesrfla, sorry - but it's true [Tue Oct 7 23:41:26 2008] I know [Tue Oct 7 23:42:02 2008] lol [Tue Oct 7 23:42:03 2008] Then that concludes the BT Meeting. Thank you everyone for participating. [Tue Oct 7 23:42:11 2008] thanks for chairing nhandler_ [Tue Oct 7 23:42:12 2008] .meeting [Tue Oct 7 23:42:12 2008] Meeting mode enabled. [Tue Oct 7 23:42:16 2008] np Rocket2DMn [Tue Oct 7 23:42:18 2008] +1 Rocket2DMn [Tue Oct 7 23:42:24 2008] I'll get you the logs quickly [Tue Oct 7 23:42:25 2008] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [Tue Oct 7 23:42:26 2008] end meeting ---- CategoryBeginnersTeam