1 [Tues Jun 2 23:12:41] <bodhi_zazen> Votebot: ready ?
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   3 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:10] <bodhi_zazen> let us announce on #ubuntu-meeting :)
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   5 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:24] <Ash_R> okay bodhi_zazen
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   7 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:25] <nhandler> I can do that bodhizazen
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   9 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:36] <nhandler> Or you can ;)
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  11 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:47] <Hellow> lol
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  13 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:50] <bodhi_zazen> everyone here ?
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  15 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:52] <Rocket2DMn> are we holding the meeting here?
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  17 [Tues Jun 2 23:13:54] <Hellow> yep
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  19 [Tues Jun 2 23:14:0] <Rocket2DMn> ok
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  21 [Tues Jun 2 23:14:4] <bodhi_zazen> yes Rocket2DMn
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  23 [Tues Jun 2 23:14:37] <bodhi_zazen> First, I apologize to the team, I have been busy the last few weeks
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  25 [Tues Jun 2 23:14:53] <bodhi_zazen> Setting up a new server takes time :)
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  27 [Tues Jun 2 23:14:57] <bodhi_zazen> and I have family too
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  29 [Tues Jun 2 23:15:17] <thewrath> understandable bodhi
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  31 [Tues Jun 2 23:15:18] <swoody> No apology needed bodhi_zazen :)
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  33 [Tues Jun 2 23:15:19] <bodhi_zazen> The new server is mostly done, so I hope to be more available
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  35 [Tues Jun 2 23:15:32] <nhandler> Glad to hear that bodhi_zazen
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  37 [Tues Jun 2 23:16:2] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to interject an item for the team to consider :)
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  39 [Tues Jun 2 23:16:20] <bodhi_zazen> we have been asked to consider changing our name - by members of teh CC
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  41 [Tues Jun 2 23:16:43] <nhandler> notes that this has been on the BT agenda before
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  43 [Tues Jun 2 23:16:49] <bodhi_zazen> to something that encompasses the work we do , not only on the forums, but for the greater community
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  45 [Tues Jun 2 23:16:57] <Vantrax> last time we had this come up we did vote for a change, however the bt council overruled it
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  47 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:2] <bodhi_zazen> So, let us re-consider
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  49 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:12] <Hellow> Ubuntu Beginners Team?
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  51 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:13] <bodhi_zazen> we would need to update LP and wiki pages :)
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  53 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:16] <Vantrax> we voted to change to UBT
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  55 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:18] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, did they wnat to take out the Beginners part?
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  57 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:28] <bodhi_zazen> no, forums Rocket2DMn
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  59 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:36] <bodhi_zazen> but I want to take out beginners
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  61 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:42] <swoody> is there any specific name in mind they wanted to change to? Or is that still open to ideas?
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  63 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:42] <Rocket2DMn> understood
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  65 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:44] <Ash_R> can we hear the argument for and against please?
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  67 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:44] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Mentoring team ?
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  69 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:50] <Vantrax> They felt, and i agree, that the forums part is misleading based on our current role
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  71 [Tues Jun 2 23:17:54] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We aren't really mentoring
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  73 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:3] <Rocket2DMn> I dont think we cn use Mentoring or Learning
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  75 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:14] <bodhi_zazen> for and aginst what Ash_R ?
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  77 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:14] <Vantrax> Education is out due to Edubuntu
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  79 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:17] <nhandler> Maybe consider using the word Help instead of Beginners
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  81 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:30] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Helping team ?
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  83 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:31] <Hellow> I say we keep Beginners in our name; it still encompasses our role in the community well
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  85 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:31] <bodhi_zazen> lol
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  87 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:34] <Vantrax> +1 nhander
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  89 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:40] <Vantrax> Ubuntu Help Team:P
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  91 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:42] <swoody> Ubuntu Tech Support?
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  93 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:49] <thewrath> Hellow: +1
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  95 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:50] <nhandler> swoody: No. We aren't tech support
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  97 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:52] <Vantrax> oh no... dont go ther
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  99 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:53] <Rocket2DMn> we do more than help users, too
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 101 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:58] <Ash_R> I think beginners is what we specialise in helping.  it should say so in our name
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 103 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:0] <nhandler> I also don't like the way Ubuntu Help/Helping team sounds
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 105 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:12] <Vantrax> I still call for Ubuntu Beginners Team
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 107 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:16] <nhandler> My vote is for Ubuntu Beginners Team
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 109 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:18] <Hellow> As do I
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 111 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:21] <Ash_R> me too
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 113 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:39] <Rocket2DMn> I don't think we need to decide today, but at least we can hear ideas
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 115 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:42] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to decide this issue today ?
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 117 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:49] <Vantrax> that being said, i am and work and have to duck out for 10 min
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 119 [Tues Jun 2 23:19:54] <bodhi_zazen> or take suggestions and vote later ?
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 121 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:3] <Ash_R> i have the time to discuss
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 123 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:9] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: I don't think we have enough people here to make a decission this big
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 125 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:10] <thewrath> does everyone have their opinion on this or are those here that are undecided?
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 127 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:13] <Vantrax> its been decided here before bodhi
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 129 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:16] <bodhi_zazen> +1 nhandler
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 131 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:24] <thewrath> Vantrax: +1
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 133 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:27] <thewrath> nhandler:  +1
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 135 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:37] <nhandler> I also think the council should have a meeting about it as well
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 137 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:43] <Hellow> Discussion for this would be more efficient on the mailing list than in here
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 139 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:47] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: the last time we decided we went with UFBT
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 141 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:47] <Rocket2DMn> I am undecided, I need to see some options to choose from
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 143 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:3] <Ash_R> what if we had a list of options,  if we really must change the name?
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 145 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:21] <Vantrax> no bodhi_zazen the last time we went with UBT, and the council voted to keep UFBT and it stayed the same
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 147 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:23] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list is OK, so long as it is discussed, otherwise ? wiki page
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 149 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:31] <Vantrax> the vote by the team was UBT
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 151 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:31] <swoody> I am in favor of removing the 'Forums' from our name as well. But would be open to see other suggestions as well.
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 153 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:34] <Rocket2DMn> Let us also consider that this is a request, they aren't telling us to change our name, are they?
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 155 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:49] <Hellow> Ash_R: I am fairly sure the majority of the team is in support of Ubuntu Beginners Team, but the entire team isnt here to discuss it.
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 157 [Tues Jun 2 23:21:50] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn , it is a request
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 159 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:8] <bodhi_zazen> I am not so sure I agree Hellow
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 161 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:13] <Ash_R> what is the motive behind the request bodhi_zazen
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 163 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I think the majority of the team prefers UFBT
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 165 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:24] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: If we had to change our name
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 167 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:32] <Hellow> I prefer UFBT myself too
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 169 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:37] <nhandler> Ash_R: Because we are trying to replace other teams and expand, so we are not just forums based
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 171 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: the motive is to have the name of the team reflect the fact we are active outside of the forums
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 173 [Tues Jun 2 23:22:57] <Hellow> (which we are)
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 175 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:2] <Rocket2DMn> I would think that the logical step would be to go with Ubuntu Beginners Team if we do change.  If you want something different, then are you also proposing tht we change our team's mission?
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 177 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:16] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: +1
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 179 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:26] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn
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 181 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:30] <yvan300> Rocket2DMn: that is a good point
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 183 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:30] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement
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 185 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:32] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn :)
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 187 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:53] <bodhi_zazen> It is just that I am saying how is it we help beginners ?
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 189 [Tues Jun 2 23:24:25] <Rocket2DMn> Well, on the forums we focus on the ABT section of the forums
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 191 [Tues Jun 2 23:24:32] <drs305> Ubuntu Assistance Team
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 193 [Tues Jun 2 23:24:37] <Rocket2DMn> tht's the idea anyway, though we do cover most areas of the forums in reality
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 195 [Tues Jun 2 23:24:47] <nhandler> drubin: That might get confused with Accessibility
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 197 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:11] <nhandler> * drs305
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 199 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:11] <bodhi_zazen> NUT
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 201 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:16] <bodhi_zazen> Uew Users Team
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 203 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:25] <bodhi_zazen> New Users Team, lol
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 205 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:28] <Rocket2DMn> Besides, what do we define as a "beginner"?  Somebody can have used Ubuntu for years, but if they are new to something else, like a new program, they are a beginner for using that program
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 207 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:38] <Ash_R> what is the difference between a beginner and a new user?
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 209 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:42] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: What if the users aren't new, just inexperienced in Linux?
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 211 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:45] <swoody> bodhi_zazen:  I think that may get confused with the now dead New User Network
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 213 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:54] <duanedesign> continuing education team :)
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 215 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:55] <bodhi_zazen> New To Ubuntu
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 217 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:59] <Ash_R> are we just changing words?
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 219 [Tues Jun 2 23:26:17] <Rocket2DMn> I would -1 changing words
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 221 [Tues Jun 2 23:26:23] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn
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 223 [Tues Jun 2 23:26:27] <Hellow> +1 Rocket2DMn
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 225 [Tues Jun 2 23:26:49] <Rocket2DMn> We are known throughout the community as the Beginners Team (even without the Forums part of the title).  We use this name everything - wiki, lp, forums, mailing lists, etc
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 227 [Tues Jun 2 23:26:57] <bodhi_zazen> well, that leaves UFBT or UBT or just BT or UT
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 229 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:10] <Rocket2DMn> UT?
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 231 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:14] <Hellow> Ubuntu Team?
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 233 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:17] <Ash_R> i like beginners team.  its short and straight to the point
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 235 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:17] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Team
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 237 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:22] <drs305> UBT
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 239 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:24] <swoody> +1 for UBT
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 241 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:30] <jgoguen> +1 UBT
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 243 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:32] <Hellow> +1 UBT
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 245 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:32] <bodhi_zazen> UBN
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 247 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:33] <Rocket2DMn> I would vote for UBT or just BT
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 249 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:42] <thewrath> i say UBT
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 251 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Beginners Network ?
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 253 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:47] <thewrath> then they know wat beginner tema it is
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 255 [Tues Jun 2 23:27:52] <thewrath> bodhi_zazen: +1
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 257 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:9] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: Yet we are not a network, we are a team :).
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 259 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:12] <Rocket2DMn> +1 thewrath , other teams also use Ubuntu in their titles
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 261 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:19] <swoody> Hellow +1
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 263 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:38] <Rocket2DMn> that's a good point Hellow , a network is only loosely connected, we are well organized
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 265 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:41] <bodhi_zazen> Well we are a netwrok as we coordinate on forums, wiki, LP, etx
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 267 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:5] <swoody> I think we do 'network' but I think we *are* a team
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 269 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:15] <bodhi_zazen> UBT is sounding like the winner ;)
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 271 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:21] <Rocket2DMn> I tend to think of a "network" of individuals as just people who know eachother as contacts, but dont necessarily work together
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 273 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:30] <Ash_R> i agree with bodhi_zazen ,  though do not like the idea of network in the name,  we are a team at heart
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 275 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:31] <Rocket2DMn> just my .02
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 277 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:43] <duanedesign> Beginners Education Team
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 279 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:50] <Hellow> A team, in my eyes, is a group of people that focus on a specific topic or many specific topics. A Network is basically like what Rocket2DMn said.
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 281 [Tues Jun 2 23:30:6] <Hellow> duanedesign: That would be too close to the existing Education Team.
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 283 [Tues Jun 2 23:30:9] <nhandler> duanedesign: That is more like what our Education FG / UCLP is
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 285 [Tues Jun 2 23:30:20] <Ash_R> i think in nearly all team names suggested 2 common words keep cropping up.  beginners and team
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 287 [Tues Jun 2 23:30:51] <bodhi_zazen> which leaves us with UBT
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 289 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:10] <bodhi_zazen> We could be a task force =)
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 291 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:15] <Hellow> lol
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 293 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:18] <nhandler> Are there any other suggestions? Or are we just debating whether to stay with UFBT or change to UBT?
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 295 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:21] <Rocket2DMn> lol bodhi_zazen
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 297 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:23] <Hellow> "Ubuntu Beginners Task Force"
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 299 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:29] <Hellow> That would be a fun one
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 301 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:30] <Vantrax> okies, im back
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 303 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:42] <thewrath> Hellow:  +1
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 305 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:45] <Ash_R> what does the community know us as?  should we not stick to what they know us as?
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 307 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:46] <bodhi_zazen> I think the real debase is UFBT vs UTB
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 309 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:0] <Hellow> We go beyond the forums
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 311 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:5] <drs305> UBT
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 313 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:8] <Hellow> Forums should not be a part of our name
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 315 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:8] <swoody> Squad, Company, Organization, Troop, Outfit, Federation, Crew...?
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 317 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:15] <Hellow> UBT has my vote
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 319 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:17] <bodhi_zazen> community knows us as the steam roller Ash_R
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 321 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:26] <duanedesign> +1
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 323 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:27] <Rocket2DMn> lol!
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 325 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:29] <Ash_R> nice bodhi_zazen :)
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 327 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:43] <Ash_R> but you understand my point
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 329 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:45] <Rocket2DMn> we're like goo, we just ooze into other areas of the community
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 331 [Tues Jun 2 23:33:4] <duanedesign> lol
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 333 [Tues Jun 2 23:33:41] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to vote on this topic ?
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 335 [Tues Jun 2 23:33:44] <Rocket2DMn> Should we setup a LP vote or vote now?
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 337 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:5] <duanedesign> Re-Education Team
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 339 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:10] <Vantrax> I think we should vote, but the result is pretty clear
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 341 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:11] <Hellow> I think we may need to discuss this more, not everyone is here, and we need everyone's opinion on this.
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 343 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:20] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: Do you think we have enough people here to really vote?
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 345 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:27] <swoody> +1 for a vote, I don't think removing 'Forums' will cause anyone too much distress
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 347 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:31] <bodhi_zazen> +1 on further discussion, vote in say 2 weeks ?
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 349 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:31] <Rocket2DMn> I'm ok with delaying a vote or putting it on LP and mailing the list
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 351 [Tues Jun 2 23:34:44] <Hellow> 2 weeks sounds good
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 353 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <nhandler> .vote "+1 Vote Now   -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks"
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 355 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: +1 Vote Now   -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks
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 357 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
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 359 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
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 361 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:12] <Ash_R> i am happt to vote now,  but realise that some members are not present
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 363 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:15] <Hellow> -1
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 365 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:15] <nhandler> -1
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 367 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:18] <Rocket2DMn> 0
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 369 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:20] <swoody> +1
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 371 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:21] <Ash_R> 0
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 373 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:28] <bodhi_zazen> -1
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 375 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:30] <ibuclaw> 0
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 377 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:35] <drs305> +1
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 379 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:35] <duanedesign> +1
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 381 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:43] <yvan300> 0
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 383 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:43] <TuxPurple> 0
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 385 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:43] <Wiebelhaus1> May I ask what your voting on?
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 387 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:45] <bodhi_zazen> wants the team to be involved in this decision ;)
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 389 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:48] <sdennie> 0
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 391 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:52] <Hellow> agrees with bodhi
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 393 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:57] <nhandler> Wiebelhaus1: Whether or not to delay the vote on the name change
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 395 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:7] <Wiebelhaus1> Thanks mate.
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 397 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:8] <nhandler> .vote
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 399 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:8] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: +1 Vote Now   -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks
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 401 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:8] <Votebot> 11 People Voted. 3 People For. 3 People Against. 5 People Neutral.
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 403 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:13] <Hellow> lol
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 405 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:21] <swoody> haha
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 407 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:25] <yvan300> draw
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 409 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:25] <bodhi_zazen> that means bodhi decides :)
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 411 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:27] <jorgerosa> hello all
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 413 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:32] <Hellow> I think we should delay it
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 415 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:33] <jorgerosa> what are you vonting?
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 417 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:34] <TuxPurple> ubuntu all-rounder team :P
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 419 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:37] <yvan300> lets do a recount
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 421 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:37] <bodhi_zazen> I say discuss and vote in 2 weeks
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 423 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:38] <Ash_R> what does bodhi_zazen think?
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 425 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:48] <drs305> I will change to delay if you wish.
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 427 [Tues Jun 2 23:36:55] <bodhi_zazen> I think we need time for suggestions
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 429 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:1] <duanedesign> if makes a diiference I thought +1 was to delay 2 weeks
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 431 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:1] <drs305> fine with me,
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 433 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:2] <Hellow> +1 bodhi_zazen
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 435 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:15] <Ash_R> where can we post suggestions?
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 437 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:26] <Vantrax> i think we should make a wiki page for names
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 439 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:30] <Rocket2DMn> Let's have bodhi_zazen start a mailing list thread
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 441 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK discussion > mailing list | wiki page
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 443 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:31] <Hellow> Mailing list? I'll get that stared after the meeting if yall wish.
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 445 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:51] <Rocket2DMn> a wiki page is difficult to deal with for a whole team, i think mailing list + a LP vote is better
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 447 [Tues Jun 2 23:37:56] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We decided that the Mailing List should be used for agenda item discussions
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 449 [Tues Jun 2 23:38:0] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: I like wiki page, people can leave comments, easier to read
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 451 [Tues Jun 2 23:38:15] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, forums work best for that
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 453 [Tues Jun 2 23:38:15] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
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 455 [Tues Jun 2 23:38:38] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list ?
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 457 [Tues Jun 2 23:38:47] <Hellow> +1 on mailing list
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 459 [Tues Jun 2 23:39:1] <Hellow> and use the wiki for names suggested
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 461 [Tues Jun 2 23:39:3] <Rocket2DMn> +1 mailist list
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 463 [Tues Jun 2 23:39:18] <bodhi_zazen> ok, mailing list it is then :)
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 465 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:14] <Rocket2DMn> ok, lets move on
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 467 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:16] <bodhi_zazen> Next item - Python - Hellow
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 469 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:26] <Hellow> alrighty
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 471 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:31] <Vantrax> PYTHON!!!
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 473 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:31] <Votebot> PERL!!!
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 475 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:44] <duanedesign> lol
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 477 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:44] <ibuclaw> D!!! >:)
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 479 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:48] <Hellow> LeAstrale started a sort of "Quest for Python"
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 481 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:49] <Vantrax> had to be done
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 483 [Tues Jun 2 23:40:55] <Ash_R> can we please stay on topic?
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 485 [Tues Jun 2 23:41:48] <Hellow> We are basically helping each other to learn python, using the book "A byte of python" by Swaroop C H.
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 487 [Tues Jun 2 23:41:51] <bodhi_zazen> Hellow: is this an issue for the team or just an announcement ?
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 489 [Tues Jun 2 23:41:54] <Hellow> (sorry for the delay)
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 491 [Tues Jun 2 23:41:57] <Hellow> An announcement
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 493 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:4] <bodhi_zazen> is the book available on line ?
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 495 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:6] <jimi_hendrix> whats going on?
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 497 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:8] <bodhi_zazen> linky ?
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 499 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:12] <Hellow> Yes, its a free-to-download book
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 501 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:15] <Hellow> hold on
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 503 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:47] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, to my understanding, this is going to be revolved around the beginners-dev team.
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 505 [Tues Jun 2 23:42:59] <JanC> and there are several other free python books on-line...
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 507 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:12] <bodhi_zazen> Unless there is a need for discussion I say we move on w/ linky to be posted :)
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 509 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:30] <Ash_R> ibuclaw,   thats interesting.  i am not planning to join that team yet, though i am still interested
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 511 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:32] <swoody> Link to book through Google Docs: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=F.a3b74a68-ecd7-4372-adc2-ab9abbbc1204
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 513 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:38] <bodhi_zazen> which bring up ....
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 515 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:47] <bodhi_zazen> new members ?
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 517 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:58] <nhandler> Team Report Reflection
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 519 [Tues Jun 2 23:44:2] <bodhi_zazen> or is there anything to report from the FG ?
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 521 [Tues Jun 2 23:44:2] <Hellow> I dont think we have any
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 523 [Tues Jun 2 23:44:38] <bodhi_zazen> swoody: that link is no good :)
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 525 [Tues Jun 2 23:44:46] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: who is doing team report ?
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 527 [Tues Jun 2 23:45:0] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: This is a discussion item I would like to bring up
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 529 [Tues Jun 2 23:45:8] <Vantrax> Edu FG has news doesnt it bodhi...
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 531 [Tues Jun 2 23:45:36] <swoody> Actual link for 'A Byte of Python': http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python
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 533 [Tues Jun 2 23:45:40] <Hellow> For reference, the book is located here (in HTML): http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/
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 535 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:4] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: news from Edu FG ?
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 537 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:11] <bodhi_zazen> we went b4 the CC today
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 539 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:23] <bodhi_zazen> to announce our UCLP project
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 541 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:24] <Vantrax> and they love us:P
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 543 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:28] <bodhi_zazen> welcome dinda :)
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 545 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:43] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
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 547 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:53] <dinda> couldn't find the channel - you mistyped it in the meeting room
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 549 [Tues Jun 2 23:46:57] <bodhi_zazen> they wanted to know why we were there is more like it
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 551 [Tues Jun 2 23:47:6] <nhandler> dinda: JanC corrected him shortly after ;)
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 553 [Tues Jun 2 23:47:7] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, sorry dinda :(
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 555 [Tues Jun 2 23:47:15] <Hellow> LOL bodhi_zazen
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 557 [Tues Jun 2 23:47:38] <bodhi_zazen> thought everyone knew this channel =)
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 559 [Tues Jun 2 23:47:40] <Ash_R> welcome w4ett
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 561 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:6] <JanC> nhandler: whic hwas the reason why I corrected it publicly  ;)
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 563 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:11] <Vantrax> sorry dinda
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 565 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:18] <bodhi_zazen> We are going to theme the moodle site, although I may want to change over to apache and mysql
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 567 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:28] <bodhi_zazen> if anyone has an opinion, talk to me later
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 569 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:48] <Vantrax> if anyone has mad css/gimp skills see me later:P
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 571 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:50] <bodhi_zazen> right now I am running lighttp + postgre
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 573 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:53] <JanC> which wasn't good enough apparently  :-/
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 575 [Tues Jun 2 23:48:58] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, do you have a link at hand?
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 577 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:14] <bodhi_zazen> link for what Ash_R ?
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 579 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:23] <bodhi_zazen> http://learn.ufbt.net/
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 581 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:25] <Ash_R> the moodle site
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 583 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:29] <bodhi_zazen> ^^
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 585 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:32] <Ash_R> thank you
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 587 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:35] <bodhi_zazen> np
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 589 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:46] <nhandler> o/
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 591 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:52] <bodhi_zazen> go nhandler :)
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 593 [Tues Jun 2 23:49:55] <nhandler> We have been doing team reporting for about a month. I want to get the team's opinions about the stuff that we have been including or about the reports in general. Any suggestions / comments?
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 595 [Tues Jun 2 23:50:3] <bodhi_zazen> I was going to ask , any other FG ?
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 597 [Tues Jun 2 23:50:22] <nhandler> has to run to dinner and wanted to get that out there
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 599 [Tues Jun 2 23:50:26] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: I have not had time to read it, lol
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 601 [Tues Jun 2 23:50:27] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports
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 603 [Tues Jun 2 23:50:39] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: log in with openid, use your LP account
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 605 [Tues Jun 2 23:50:48] <Ash_R> has paul tag said anything about IRC focus group?
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 607 [Tues Jun 2 23:51:2] <Ash_R> time zones playing havoc and all that
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 609 [Tues Jun 2 23:51:50] <bodhi_zazen> very nice nhandler :)
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 611 [Tues Jun 2 23:52:2] <bodhi_zazen> no Ash_R , any news  ?
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 613 [Tues Jun 2 23:52:25] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, for team reports, can you email the list a bit in advance of when reports are due so FGs can update the page?
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 615 [Tues Jun 2 23:52:41] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, not as such.  i know he took over from Joeb454  as a part lead.  i was curious to see if i have missed anything
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 617 [Tues Jun 2 23:52:54] <bodhi_zazen> kk
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 619 [Tues Jun 2 23:53:29] <bodhi_zazen> the education FG will be looking to add content to the UCLP site in the near future :)
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 621 [Tues Jun 2 23:53:50] <bodhi_zazen> I think that is about all we have for the meeting this month
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 623 [Tues Jun 2 23:53:55] <bodhi_zazen> any other issues ?
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 625 [Tues Jun 2 23:53:58] <bodhi_zazen> questions ?
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 627 [Tues Jun 2 23:54:44] <bodhi_zazen> I have one final issue then :)
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 629 [Tues Jun 2 23:54:54] <bodhi_zazen> let us say behavior on this channel
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 631 [Tues Jun 2 23:55:4] <bodhi_zazen> first, thank you to everyone for improving
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 633 [Tues Jun 2 23:55:26] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to remind people, we have a diverse group now
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 635 [Tues Jun 2 23:55:54] <bodhi_zazen> some people ( bodhi_zazen ) are old (farts) and mature
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 637 [Tues Jun 2 23:55:59] <Vantrax> just wait till compiledkernel shows up
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 639 [Tues Jun 2 23:56:1] <bodhi_zazen> others are younger
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 641 [Tues Jun 2 23:56:22] <Hellow> Vantrax: dont say that word :P
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 643 [Tues Jun 2 23:56:31] <Vantrax> <- some are somewhere in the middle
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 645 [Tues Jun 2 23:56:36] <bodhi_zazen> I know the younger ones take a little more time sometimes, please direct them to me if then need some guidence
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 647 [Tues Jun 2 23:56:53] <Hellow> <- and some are the complete opposite of old
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 649 [Tues Jun 2 23:56:59] <bodhi_zazen> or if there are other members willing to mentor young ones let me know
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 651 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:9] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: what's that i hear about younger ones?
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 653 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:9] <jgoguen> Hellow: youngster :P
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 655 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:16] <Hellow> jgoguen: yep :P
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 657 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:16] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: what do you mean by guidance?  ;)
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 659 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:22] <Vantrax> if your in the asia pacific timezone and need a mentor come see me:P
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 661 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:32] <Ash_R> i would not mind bodhi_zazen ,  but i do not feel qualified.
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 663 [Tues Jun 2 23:57:37] <Hellow> is already mentoring someone
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 665 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:16] <duanedesign> o/I think it is important to resolve issues/differences right away. Dont hold grudges or develop animosity towards each other.
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 667 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:18] <bodhi_zazen> Sometimes young people, say less then 30, especially less then 20, need a little more education re netiquette
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 669 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:22] <yvan300> who hear lives in (-4)
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 671 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:23] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: do you mean mentoring like the masters or something different?
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 673 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:34] <jgoguen> yvan300: UTC-4?
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 675 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:48] <yvan300> jgoguen: thats it :)
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 677 [Tues Jun 2 23:58:50] <bodhi_zazen> no, mentoring in terms of immature behavior in this channel :)
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 679 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:2] <jgoguen> yvan300: depends on the time of year, I'm either in UTC-3 or UTC-4...right now I'm UTC-3
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 681 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:6] <bodhi_zazen> w/o mentioning specific names
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 683 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:11] <jgoguen> lol
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 685 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:27] <Ash_R> oh,  i can do that...i think anyway
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 687 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:30] <ibuclaw> JanC, we attract quite a few enthusiasts in their teens, by all means, they mean well. But can be noisey without realising it. :)
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 689 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:31] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: if people need to learn netiquette, feel free to point them to me  ;)
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 691 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:35] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: who do you mean, montel, right :)
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 693 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:36] <bodhi_zazen> awesome Ash_R :)
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 695 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:36] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: I don't mind taking people and explaining how things work
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 697 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:44] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, thank you.
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 699 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:47] <Hellow> ibuclaw: hey!
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 701 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:51] <Hellow> lol
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 703 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:56] <bodhi_zazen> speaking of montel, how is he doing ?
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 705 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:6] <Hellow> has no idea on Montel
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 707 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:7] <duanedesign> lol
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 709 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:19] <yvan300> he should be online soon
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 711 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:36] <duanedesign> o/
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 713 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:38] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, i have not seen montel since he wiped his blog database or something
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 715 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:40] <bodhi_zazen> Montel - you can lead noobs to documentation, but you can not make them read :)
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 717 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:53] <ibuclaw> haha
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 719 [Wed Jun 3 0:0:57] <bodhi_zazen> moves to end meeting
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 721 [Wed Jun 3 0:1:2] <Hellow> LOL
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 723 [Wed Jun 3 0:1:8] <JanC> well, if this channel is going to stay, I'll add it to my auto-join list...
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 725 [Wed Jun 3 0:1:9] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: sudo aptitude purge $all_packages
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 727 [Wed Jun 3 0:1:13] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, there was a similar discussion about stickies in the forums
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 729 [Wed Jun 3 0:1:22] <bodhi_zazen> JanC: you are most welcome to this channel
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 731 [Wed Jun 3 0:1:35] <jgoguen> ibuclaw: something like the quickest way to get a thread ignored is to sticky it? :)
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 733 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:5] <bodhi_zazen> naw, I just close threads that have need answered in a sticky
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 735 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:16] <bodhi_zazen> w/ a message, there is a reason they are a sticky :)
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 737 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:20] <yvan300> JanC: who are you?
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 739 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:26] <bodhi_zazen> seems to work w/o causing too much havoc
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 741 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:47] <ibuclaw> yvan300, a lugwv member, apparently ;)
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 743 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:51] <bodhi_zazen> any other team issues ?
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 745 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:54] <Snova> The weird thing about stickies is that I gloss over them, so I never notice when there are new posts. It really is the best way to get people to ignore things.
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 747 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:56] <Hellow> ibuclaw: OBVIOUSNESS
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 749 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:56] <bodhi_zazen> or end meeting ?
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 751 [Wed Jun 3 0:2:58] <Hellow> ;p
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 753 [Wed Jun 3 0:3:2] <Hellow> lets end it
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 755 [Wed Jun 3 0:3:18] <Ash_R> i think meeting is over
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 757 [Wed Jun 3 0:3:25] <bodhi_zazen> .meeting
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 759 [Wed Jun 3 0:3:25] <Votebot> =-=-=Meeting mode disabled=-=-=