== General Agenda Items and Proposals == PLEASE COME TO THE MEETINGS PREPARED. This means: 1. If there is an issue for the team, add it to the agenda. 1. Agenda items then should be discussed "informally" on #ubuntufourms-beginners. 90 % of the discussion should have taken place before the meeting. 1. Meetings are primarily for decision making/team votes. Read the agenda and discuss your thoughts before the meeting. 10 % (or less) of the discussion should happen during the meeting. 1. Agenda items that require more then 5 minutes of discussion may need to be deferred. ||Who || What || || [[Bodsda]] || Is there an interest in a Beginners team forum? || || [[Bodsda]] || Have an -offtopic channel for banter and keep the main channel for support, proposal || || [[Saj0577]]|| Support from people with a second/third language || || [[starcraft.man]] || Unified Newsletter (email) idea for the FGs. || || [[Rocket2DMn]] || Wiki FG leadership transfer || || [[nhandler]] || Require Padawans to subscribe to mailing list || || [[Silver_Fox]] || IRC FG members please fill in this [[http://www.doodle.com/i587anars2qthsty|poll]] || === Agenda discussion === * Security Focus Group - new page, launchpad team, mission summary == Log == {{{#!IRC [00:00] people ready for the BT meeting ? [00:00] Yep [00:00] aye [00:00] Yes. [00:00] #startmeeting [00:00] Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is bodhi_zazen. [00:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:00] Ah, perfect timing =) [00:00] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings [00:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings [00:00] Agenda # 1 Forums ? [00:01] Bodsda: you here [00:01] Forums sounds acceptable [00:01] Alrighty then ... [00:01] meeting? [00:02] Yes === WikiNinja is now known as starcraftman [00:02] Bodsda approached me about the possibility for a team forums a few weeks ago [00:02] bodhi_zazen: ok [00:02] I r here, just munching pizza. [00:02] bodhi_zazen: is that a topic? [00:02] bodhi_zazen, mmhhmmm [00:02] as it so happened I was testing forums software anyways, so I set up a few test servers, which I think a few of you all looked at [00:03] Weren't you having troubles? [00:03] so, the question is, does the team wish to use a forums ? [00:03] I vote yes. [00:03] save sblunix for last....yes FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:03] ZachK_, say what? [00:03] I ask for what purpose. Is it to replace the wiki? [00:03] No real purpose =) [00:04] The point would be: [00:04] Silver-Fox-, The Wiki is more of an informational place. The forums would be a more solid communicational place other than IRC. [00:04] 1. some people can learn sys admin as I will teach them [00:04] 2. Would it improve communication ? Not everyone seems to prefer the mailing list(s) [00:04] I believe it would, I prefer forums much over mailing lists... [00:04] and a forums keeps topics / conversations nice and neat [00:05] I don't think I'd use it, personally [00:05] Do we really need an entire forum for the team? We already have a section on ubuntuforums.org [00:05] I remember when we had the team forum on UF, that never really got used a whole lot [00:05] +1 Joeb454 [00:05] Nobody uses the team group on ubuntuforums.org , will this be any different ? [00:06] * sblunix did not know about the team group on ubuntuforums.org [00:06] I personally think we should make use of the mailing list and IRC channels instead of a separate forum [00:06] +1 [00:06] +1 [00:06] +1 [00:07] do you all want to vote on this ? [00:07] It doesn't seem many people use the mailing list either though, unless I'm just not part of it... [00:07] or table the discussion ? [00:07] table the discussion? [00:07] no, mailing list is quiet [00:07] bodhi_zazen, probably because I fail at mailing lists and don't know how to use them... [00:07] table meaning, no forms , the end =) [00:08] bodhi_zazen: Let's vote on this so we can have a clear decision. [00:08] [VOTE] BT forums ? [00:08] Please vote on: BT forums ?. [00:08] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:08] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:08] -1 [00:08] -1 received from nhandler. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [00:08] -1 [00:08] -1 [00:08] -1 received from Joeb454. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 [00:08] -1 received from PabloRubianes. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3 [00:08] +1 [00:08] +1 received from sblunix. 1 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 [00:08] +0 [00:08] Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2 [00:08] +0 [00:08] Abstention received from Silver-Fox-. 1 for, 3 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2 [00:08] -1 [00:08] -1 received from drs305. 1 for, 4 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -3 [00:08] I am neutral on this, I just don't see a real need. [00:08] +0 [00:08] Abstention received from starcraftman. 1 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -3 [00:08] +1 [00:08] +1 received from Buuntu1. 2 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -2 [00:08] Any additional votes ? [00:09] [ENDVOTE] [00:09] Final result is 2 for, 4 against. 3 abstained. Total: -2 [00:09] Oh well, idea tabled... [00:09] 2nd order of business? [00:09] Bodsda: is not here [00:09] [TOPIC] -offtopic channel ? [00:09] New Topic: -offtopic channel ? [00:09] is our whole channel not off topic ??? [00:10] who suggested the channel? [00:10] I don't understand the need for another off topic channel. [00:10] anyone want to discuss this agenda item > [00:10] I think the current channel is fine [00:10] I woudl say -1 , I think we have enough channels [00:10] I thought #ubuntu-beginners-help was the channel to help beginners, and #ubuntu-beginners was the team's off-topic/communication channel [00:10] +1 Joeb454 [00:10] +1 Joeb454 bodhi_zazen [00:10] +1 [00:10] bodhi_zazen, I agree, #ubuntu-beginners is already pretty off-topic, I don't see the need for a whole separate channel [00:10] [VOTE] Add another channel ??? [00:10] I think the current channel serves well as a general "chat" channel [00:10] Please vote on: Add another channel ???. [00:10] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:10] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:10] -1 [00:10] -1 received from bodhi_zazen. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [00:10] -1 [00:10] -1 [00:10] -1 received from Joeb454. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 [00:10] -1 [00:10] -1 [00:11] -1 received from sblunix. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3 [00:11] -1 [00:11] I dunno, was the point to make ubuntu-beginners into more serious support channel, scrap help and make new "hang out " channel. [00:11] -1 received from Silver-Fox-. 0 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4 [00:11] -1 received from Buuntu1. 0 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -5 [00:11] -1 [00:11] -1 received from nhandler. 0 for, 6 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -6 [00:11] -1 received from PabloRubianes. 0 for, 7 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -7 [00:11] Just saying. [00:11] Any additional votes ? [00:11] [ENDVOTE] [00:11] Final result is 0 for, 7 against. 0 abstained. Total: -7 [00:11] Well, I think we should just emphasize #ubuntu-beginners-help as a help channel, and keep #ubuntu-beginners as our team channel [00:11] Also, don't go so fast, I'm munching food here, takes my hands to eat. [00:11] Saj0577 is not here ... [00:12] [TOPIC] Unified Newsletter (email) idea for the FGs. [00:12] New Topic: Unified Newsletter (email) idea for the FGs. [00:12] ubuntu-beginners-help has been pretty inactive recently [00:12] starcraftman: poke =) === keffie_jayx_ is now known as keffie_jayx [00:12] Put the piza down starcraftman =] [00:12] bodhi_zazen, darn it I said slower! [00:12] Newsletters for the Focus Groups? [00:12] +1 [00:12] Who would take the time to write them? Focus Group Heads? [00:12] sblunix: psst psst, we dont vote yet!! :D [00:13] Shall we go to rocket and come back to you starcraftman ? [00:13] THe idea originally occured to me during the wiki fg meeting last week. Was just an idea to help promote events related to fgs. i.e. for wiki group to promote certain pages or maybe some sort of wiki related thing. [00:13] stlsaint: psst, whoops, meh, I don't think anyone minds, my ideas are as good as anyones, I'm sure the team wouldn't mind my feedback [00:13] bodhi_zazen, nar, I'm noming in between typing. [00:13] sblunix: slow down buddy.... [00:14] One suggestion I had about this was that instead of having a separate newsletter, FGs could simply add news to the BT team report. That way, the team and the entire Ubuntu community would be able to see it [00:14] How about if we roll the news letter idea into a team reports ? [00:14] +1 [00:14] what nhandler said [00:14] bodhi_zazen, please proceed, ill be back in a min [00:15] bodhi_zazen, sounds acceptable, I didn't really have a super strong opinion. Was just an idea. [00:15] Rocket2DMn, make it fast min, your up next and we moving at light speed. [00:15] sounds like an excellent idea... [00:15] It is a good idea, I think beefing up the monthly report would suffice =) [00:15] I think that adding FG sections to the BT is a super-great idea :) [00:15] I would be glad to help any FG leader add their news to the Team Report if they want. [00:16] nhandler: you ready ? [00:16] Sure [00:16] [TOPIC] Require Padawans to subscribe to mailing list [00:16] New Topic: Require Padawans to subscribe to mailing list [00:16] can we require this ? [00:16] or strongly suggest =) [00:16] Well, are all members subscribed? [00:16] bodhi_zazen: strongly suggest [00:16] As most of you know, we are currently moving from lists.launchpad.net to lists.ubuntu.com [00:16] I added it to the join us page, so it is maditory. [00:16] I mean, as a Padawan I subscribed to the mailing lists... [00:16] This is about non members sblunix, the Padawan [00:17] lists.ubuntu.com has the benefit of allowing any user to subscribe to the mailing list, something LP did not allow [00:17] If i may speak? [00:17] I took care to note list is for members and nonmembers. [00:17] All BT members should be subscribed to the mailing list, and I will be hunting any non-subscribers down over the next few weeks ;) [00:17] Silver-Fox-, Well, I'm saying that if non-members are required to subscribe to the mailing list, why are members allowed to choose if they will or won't subscribe to the mailing list? [00:18] I would like to propose that as part of the new member process, masters ensure that their padawans subscribe to the mailing list. [00:18] +1 nhandler [00:18] sblunix: All members should be subscribed. [00:18] +1 [00:18] +1 nhandler [00:18] nhandler, Well, that was my question. [00:18] I will be taking care of getting all members subscribed. It will just take some time [00:18] sblunix, why would people choose not to be on list, not like the list used to spy on people. [00:19] starcraftman, That's not the point, I was asking if All members were required to subscribe... maybe some ppl just aren't cool... [00:19] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-beginners [00:19] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-beginners [00:19] You can subscribe to the mailing list at the link above [00:20] so... [00:20] I am very neutral on this topic, the mailing list is not very active and [00:20] * bodhi_zazen hates requirements =) [00:20] sblunix, Well I assumed new mail list subscription was completely manditory, I put it on the paddy join page. Simple enough to do. And who's not cool that uses linux, HUH? [00:20] +1 starcraftman [00:20] +1 [00:20] ok...next topic? [00:20] I think it would be nice if the padawans were on the list, so I'd say encourage padawans, and require members :) [00:20] +1 Joeb454 [00:20] +1 Joeb454 [00:20] bodhi_zazen: i agree with bodhi_zazen ...if it's not very active...are we trying to bring forth more "clutter" of things because we think they _may_ be used? [00:21] Joeb454: I think Padawans should be required to subscribe by the time they are nominated for membership [00:21] and in which case, who does the work ultimately end up falling upon when we deem it "necessary" or "implement it"? [00:21] +1 Joeb454 and bodhi_zazen [00:21] I just wish list was a bit more active, you have point bodhi_zazen . Does feel too quiet. Like calm before an alien invasion. [00:21] dvz-, I *will* use them, I mean... Since the forums are tabled, mailing lists will be a big part of how I communicate to the BT [00:21] nhandler: that sounds reasonable :) [00:21] LOL starcraftman [00:21] starcraftman, the alien invasion is soon [00:21] And the list does have activity. People really should use it more for agenda item discussions [00:21] starcraftman: start an email then [00:22] I would use the list...i'm just unsure how to... [00:22] I've recently changed my list subscriptions to gmail so I can reply from my phone when I'm out :) [00:22] Joeb454, egad! Brilliant! [00:22] ZachK_: same issue here, do I just send an e-mail to some sort of e-mail address? [00:22] Correct [00:22] sblunix: i don't know....ask [00:22] What's the beginners team mailing list e-mail address? [00:22] [VOTE] mailing list - encourage padawan require members =) [00:22] Please vote on: mailing list - encourage padawan require members =). [00:22] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:22] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:22] ZachK_ and sblunix: You simply send a message to ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from Silver-Fox-. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:22] +1 [00:22] +1 received from Joeb454. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:23] +1 [00:23] 0 [00:23] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from starcraftman. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:23] Private +1 vote received. 7 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from ZachK_. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from nhandler. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:23] +0 [00:23] Abstention received from dvz-. 9 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:23] Any additional votes ? [00:23] [ENDVOTE] [00:23] Final result is 9 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 9 [00:23] sblunix: ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com is the address I believe [00:23] Although I do think it would be easier to shift the requirement to being subscribed by the time you are nominated for membership ;) [00:23] Rocket2DMn: your up =) [00:23] Correct Joeb454 [00:23] sblunix, and ZachK_ , please see the link nhandler provided up top. To use the list ya first get added, then send to > ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com. The list is open, so ya can send even without being subscirbed but then ya wouldn't get anything back. [00:24] cool, sorry I'm late guys, I just walked in the door [00:24] nhandler: we can leave that down to the masters :) [00:24] Rocket2DMn, Your just on time, as always. Except I didn't say your name this time. [00:24] starcraftman: I've already added myself [00:24] starcraftman: sent in request [00:24] starcraftman: If you are not subscribed, I need to moderate the message firs t;) [00:24] I just wanted to let the team know that starcraftman is now in charge of the Wiki FG, I stepped down a few weeks ago. [00:24] sblunix, k then, just send to that link. [00:24] [TOPIC]Wiki FG leadership transfer [00:24] New Topic: Wiki FG leadership transfer [00:24] All hail starcraftman [00:25] W00T Silver-Fox- [00:25] Group members approved of starcraftman for leadership, so he's the go-to guy now :) [00:25] Rocket2DMn: =0 [00:25] oopps W00T starcraftman [00:25] * starcraftman dons his space suit crown. [00:25] +1 FOR STARCRAFTMAN!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:25] w00t starcraftman =) [00:25] * starcraftman waves to wiki subjects. [00:25] Of course, I'll still be around and participating, I wanted to give somebody else a chance and hopefully free up some more time for myself [00:25] thank you Rocket2DMn for your previous work [00:25] where is Saj0577? [00:25] your time and energy is greatly appreciated [00:25] ZachK_, Zergs got him clearly. [00:25] +1 bodhi_zazen - the summer of documentation was always good [00:25] Sure thing, and btw, starcraftman is also on the ubuntu-doc-wiki-admins team now, too [00:26] starcraftman: evidently [00:26] I really enjoyed the Summer. [00:26] so congrats to starcraftman :) [00:26] o/ [00:26] * sblunix applauds [00:26] Yup. Anyone need admining I can help, though still not used my power much. [00:26] w00t - another step in BT world domination ? [00:26] lol thank you thank you, i accept donations ... [00:26] Can't be tempted..... [00:26] no j/k, go ahead nhandler [00:26] next topic? [00:26] bodhi_zazen, I can't comment one way or the other on that question. [00:26] I just want to mention that duanedesign has also taken over the LP FG [00:26] Next topic will be --- New Members --- [00:27] I believe the next topic is new members [00:27] Hey, I think I have been missed [00:27] [New Members] [00:27] man you werent kidding when you said we're flying [00:27] I have an item [00:27] [TOPIC]New Members [00:27] New Topic: New Members [00:27] * sblunix believes Silver-Fox- has an item [00:27] Silver-Fox-: after new members ? [00:27] No [00:27] bodhi_zazen: Silver-Fox- its before [00:27] ok, if you instist [00:27] Before. No matter though [00:27] Hehe [00:28] No, carry on [00:28] =] [00:28] >_< [00:28] hahaha [00:28] ..... [00:28] * ZachK_ chuckles [00:28] lets See .... [00:28] * sblunix ... [00:28] stlsaint: poke =) [00:28] ohai [00:28] who's your master ? [00:28] lol [00:28] lol [00:28] lol [00:28] stlsaint: has gone the dark path =) [00:28] What? Someone talking? Who's that over there. [00:28] Interesting... [00:28] stlsaint: is think it's his time to join us.... [00:28] starcraftman: :P [00:29] stlsaint: CHOOSE THE SITH!!!!! [00:29] * sblunix is slightly worried [00:29] choose the red pill... [00:29] stlsaint: is a fast learner and about as geeky as they come [00:29] or the blue pill. [00:29] bodhi_zazen: :D [00:29] Hmm rasberry [00:29] stlsaint: tell the rest of the team a little about yourself, wiki page ? [00:30] dvz-, The purple pill! /me finds xkcd comic link [00:30] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint [00:30] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint [00:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint [00:30] hi team [00:30] stlsaint: welcome...hehehe [00:31] stlsaint, Quick Question: [00:31] What does the "stl" in your name stand for? [00:31] i started using ubunt this year, found my way to UA then BT and been a paddy for about hmm,, few months, (Senior Paddy!!) [00:31] i think stlsaint is a dedicated contributer to the team and community at large. He will make a fine represenative of our team [00:31] sblunix: Saint Louis [00:31] +1 to duanedesign [00:31] and he is a crazy nice guy! [00:31] PabloRubianes: duanedesign thx fellas [00:31] [VOTE] stlsaint for membership ? [00:31] Please vote on: stlsaint for membership ?. [00:31] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:31] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:32] stlsaint, I live in Saint Louis also [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:32] stlsaint, The only question that matters -in deciding my vote - is if I and bodhi were in a fight to the death, who's side would ya be on? :p [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 [00:32] +! [00:32] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:32] +1 received from Silver-Fox-. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 received from dvz-. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:32] +1 received from ZachK_. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 received from bgs100. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:32] Whoops [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 received from duanedesign. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:32] Darn, my timing off. Too much eating I guess. [00:32] +1 [00:32] +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:32] any additional votes ? [00:32] +1 [00:32] I think stlsaint has the drive and dedication to push himself and to expand his horizons...esp. in -dev [00:32] +1 received from starcraftman. 10 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 10 [00:32] [ENDVOTE] [00:32] can I +1? [00:32] Final result is 10 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 10 [00:32] w00t [00:32] welcome stlsaint [00:32] sblunix: no [00:32] \o/ [00:33] stlsaint, I'll pick up my bribe later :) [00:33] Congrats starcraftman [00:33] stlsaint, Congratulations!!!! [00:33] err stlsaint [00:33] sblunix: you're not yet a team member [00:33] congrats stlsaint!!! [00:33] tab fail [00:33] +1 [00:33] :D [00:33] tab fail nhandler? [00:33] nhandler, oh nice. [00:33] stlsaint, Welcome to them team :D [00:33] grats stlsaint [00:33] [TOPIC] sblunix for membership [00:33] New Topic: sblunix for membership [00:33] I'm standing for talsemgeest [00:33] sblunix: he has a very geeky avatar =) [00:33] bgs100: thanks [00:33] thank you all [00:33] welcome Finally stlsaint [00:33] geeky ava? +1 automatically [00:33] sblunix: tell us about yourself, wiki page ? [00:33] You are very welcome :) [00:33] oh mon dieu [00:34] One second [00:34] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sblunix [00:34] [Link]mailto:ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com [00:34] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sblunix [00:34] LINK received: mailto:ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com [00:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sblunix [00:34] dang...wrong one [00:35] sblunix: tell us about yur self [00:35] don't be shy [00:35] OK [00:35] Wells [00:36] I live in Saint Louis (apparently along with stlsaint [00:36] I've been a Linux fan since 2007 and an ubuntu fan for almost as long [00:36]