||Who || What || || cprofitt || Focus Group Explanation || || cprofitt || New Members Announcement || {{{ Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [17:59:14] Hello all [17:59:33] The Ubuntu Beginners Team Meeting is now live [17:59:40] o/ [17:59:43] please say here if you are present for the UBT meeting [17:59:48] o/ [17:59:49] here [17:59:50] here [17:59:54] here [18:00:06] here [18:00:16] here [18:00:38] good showing this time... thanks for making it everyone [18:00:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings#preview [18:00:47] topics are there [18:00:54] here [18:01:13] here [18:01:18] I want to take some time to discuss Focus Groups [18:01:29] [topic] focus groups [18:01:42] as there have been some mis-perceptions about them [18:01:52] b/39 [18:01:58] Focus Groups are for practical purposes umbrellas [18:02:07] they have a lead person who coordinates that group [18:02:21] they will contain sub-groups or interest areas... [18:02:33] or experts in a certain area that is under that group [18:02:38] to give two examples... [18:02:51] lubuntu is a sub-area under support... [18:03:30] accessibility is a sub-area under support and development [18:04:11] cprofitt: that sounds fantastic to me. [18:04:20] we used to form Focus Groups for each interest area, but due to passing interests and people moving on to dedicate themselves to other things we have a very fluid state with focus groups [18:04:40] we do not want to have that amount of 'churn' for new people trying to find their way [18:05:21] in rare cases we may form a sep. FG -- if there is enough interest... and large enough group of people... and an existing team that requests that FG to be created [18:05:28] note it will take all three of those to happen [18:05:35] any questions? [18:05:45] Nope [18:06:13] cprofitt: thanks for clearing it all up. [18:06:15] I have taken the liberty to register #ubuntu-beginners-accessibility [18:06:42] Hmm...That is a good question. Do we actually want IRC channels for the sub-areas? [18:07:22] UndiFineD: Can you make UBTCouncil a founder in there? [18:07:51] I noticed people saying such has their interest, now people could go to #ubuntu-accessibility or we could discuss to have them pass this channel first [18:08:07] nhandler: I would be happy to do so [18:08:54] Yes, but if it is part of the support fg, it might make sense to use that IRC channel (or the accessibility team channel) [18:10:25] * Timo_ is here as well [18:10:49] maybe, it was just a thought, and we could discuss it outside the meeting [18:12:20] nhandler: we can take that off-line [18:12:27] sorry, but I was typing in the wrong channel [18:12:30] irris fail [18:12:35] heh [18:12:55] in conjunction with that we have to re-define mentors [18:13:03] to help them learn about the team, the process and the skills needed to contribute to that team [18:13:20] becoming a mentor will require some work [18:13:39] how about some classes ? [18:13:50] * phillw back... [18:14:11] so mentors are dedicated to a specific are of knowledge... they will fall under a specific FG [18:14:27] we then need people who will assist people with becoming UBT members... [18:14:45] in the past those folks were called mentors... but to avoid confusion we need a new name [18:14:52] * phillw waves hand.... [18:14:58] one group (mentors) are subject experts [18:15:06] the other group are more guides [18:15:19] cprofitt, in the past they were called 'masters', no? :) [18:15:41] we also called them masters in the distant past in a galazy far far away [18:15:56] :D [18:16:01] masters and padawan [18:16:11] we could revert to that term... [18:16:31] we just need to have two different terms... to avoid confusion [18:16:54] becoming a mentor will involve much more proof that you are a subject expert [18:17:19] [VOTE]use the term master to describe UBT guides [18:17:37] +1 [18:17:44] +1 [18:17:44] +1 [18:17:50] +1 [18:17:53] +1 [18:17:55] +1 [18:17:56] any more votes? [18:18:10] +1 [18:18:15] cprofitt, only UBT members can vote right? [18:18:20] IAmNotThatGuy: yes [18:18:31] sorry [18:18:34] sorry [18:18:38] soon IAmNotThatGuy soon [18:18:39] no worries egossett [18:18:43] be patient padawan [18:18:45] :- [18:18:48] ) [18:18:51] kk [18:18:52] (: [18:18:53] last call for votes [18:19:03] [endvote] [18:19:12] cprofitt: do you want to carry out the vote after the election of the new padawans, as it does directly affect them? [18:19:22] [agreed]guides will now be called Masters [18:19:32] anyone want to volunteer to update our wiki? [18:19:49] cprofitt: I'll do it. [18:19:50] some padawan who wants to work with the doc team? [18:19:58] I have to be right back, I need to reboot to fix some permissions [18:20:05] [action] phillw will update wiki with master information [18:20:10] thanks phillw [18:20:10] that would be me [18:20:21] phillw: can you let UndiFineD do it? [18:20:43] [action] UndiFineD will update the wiki with information about Masters [18:20:47] there we go [18:20:53] :) [18:21:06] [TOPIC] New Members Announcement [18:21:07] cprofitt: UndiFineD if you want to do it, be my guest. [18:21:39] as was agreed to last meeting the council is now responsible for voting on new UBT members [18:21:47] there are several that have been put before the council [18:21:55] but I want everyone to understand the process [18:22:09] a padawan or their master can put them forward to the council [18:22:21] the padawan should have testimonials on their wiki [18:22:54] the padawan is encouraged to either be present at the council meeting or send the council an email with their statement of why they feel they are ready [18:23:20] the council, and I apologize for this, has not determined a meeting date/time [18:23:38] but we are looking at doing a regular meeting... [18:23:48] and we will meet soon about the people we have in the que now [18:23:55] I apologize to them for the delay [18:24:11] also... I want to make everyone aware of the current que of folks seeking masters.... [18:24:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership [18:24:32] we have 15 people looking for help on joining the BT. [18:24:49] we need to get these folks paired up... [18:24:57] cprofitt, that is quite a queue [18:25:21] we also need to get the Masters list updated so masters are under their TZ [18:25:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors [18:25:27] which is why I suggested doing classes on becoming a master [18:25:42] UndiFineD: good suggestion... we can look at doing that... [18:25:54] cprofitt: with no disrespect to the council, and I know full well you are up to your collective eyeballs in work. We do really need to shift our padawans off and elect mentors. There is a 'log-jam'. [18:25:58] can you send an email to the list with that suggestion and some details on how we would run that? [18:26:13] masters you mean phillw ? [18:26:18] or mentors? [18:26:23] I'm sorry, I'm back [18:26:38] UndiFineD, The first rule of becoming a master is the First rule of becoming a master. :~) [18:27:06] hmmm ibuclaw must be a jedi [18:27:07] inetpro, (: [18:27:22] erm tab fails )': [18:27:32] The rest is simply being there to answer any questions they may have about team internal processes. [18:27:43] ok... phillw did you mean log jam for masters or mentors? [18:27:43] * pedro3005 is here :P [18:27:47] hey pedro3005 [18:28:04] * CensoredBiscuit arrived late and feels lost [18:28:09] cprofitt: bioterror is a mentor yet to be elected, as for masters the faster we get them approved, the sooner we can adopt the ones waiting. It is heartbreaking to hear them plea for a mentor :'( [18:28:16] CensoredBiscuit: we will post the minnutes after the meeting [18:28:24] cprofitt, I put my mentees for membership I think [18:28:30] well at least I added it on the meeting table [18:28:37] phillw: well the folks on that list are looking for masters... not mentors [18:28:52] I am aware of bioterror and the issue has been raised with the council [18:28:52] I ll br gone in 10 mins. powercut :'( [18:29:24] cprofitt, so that entire page needs moving and a new table put in it's place? [18:29:43] ibuclaw: the table needs to be renamed at the top [18:29:49] UndiFineD: is working on it [18:29:58] after the meeting [18:30:04] we then will need a new table for mentors -- which we have zero of right now [18:30:07] I mean [18:30:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors [18:30:11] and a list of people looking to be made mentors [18:30:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Masters [18:30:22] yes [18:30:40] ibuclaw: the mentors page can have two tables on it... [18:30:44] kk [18:30:52] mentors and masters... with some explanation as to the difference [18:31:41] when are you guys going to look at the people up for membership? [18:31:53] pedro3005: We are working on that as I speak [18:31:56] literally [18:32:11] ok, great [18:32:41] the council will be meeting immediately following this meeting to consider those in the que [18:32:53] ok... there are no other topics [18:33:01] any other last minute business? [18:33:07] o/ [18:33:11] yes nhandler [18:33:38] cprofitt: I know that pedro3005 also has a list of people wanting to be a padawan, as does at least one other mentor. We need the queue clearing so we can help. [18:33:53] I just want to remind everyone that we will have a BT Council election probably around the start of March. So think about if you might be interested in running [18:34:12] nhandler: what positions are up? [18:34:44] cprofitt: You, me, and bodhi. I updated https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners-council/+members [18:35:20] I thought we served two year terms... [18:35:30] cprofitt: Yeah. You joined in 2009 [18:35:30] but not sure when the last election was... [18:35:41] cprofitt: Half the council joined a year after us in 2010 [18:35:56] I also believe we decided not to fill bodhi's seat (so the council will be 5 people) when he expires [18:35:57] I did... but I thought I was just recently re-elected... but maybe not... I will have to look back [18:36:00] it's been 2 years since 2009? [18:36:01] damn! [18:36:04] ok... no other business? [18:36:08] nhandler: if you need an admin person, then I will do it (i.e. put up for election). [18:36:27] cprofitt: You might have. I can't remember if we were up for re-election in the last batch or not [18:36:40] #endmeeting Meeting ended. }}}