||<>|| === start meeting === {{{ Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [17:59:53] Welcome to the Beginners Team meeting [18:00:09] please say here if you are present for the Beginners Team meeting [18:00:13] here [18:00:15] here [18:00:15] o/ here [18:00:15] here [18:00:17] here [18:00:19] her [18:00:19] here [18:00:20] e [18:00:20] here [18:00:27] here [18:00:36] * phillw here [18:00:48] Hai [18:00:59] szczur: I am pleased to let you know that the council had voted to approve your membership [18:01:03] s/Hai/here [18:01:06] congratulations!!! [18:01:11] Well done. [18:01:15] yay! [18:01:20] szczur: congrats :) [18:01:25] All? :) [18:01:26] thanks a lot :) [18:01:35] congrats [18:01:53] * NRWlion is here too [18:01:55] Congratulations to all the new members [18:01:59] thank you all of the support [18:02:11] Congratulations :) [18:02:12] szczur: congrats, richly deserved. [18:02:38] Ow...misread....congratulations szczur :) }}} === Topic: Elections === {{{ [18:03:01] [topic] Elections [18:03:26] As you know we are going to be holding elections to replace two council members [18:03:31] nhandler: ping [18:03:54] o/ good morning [18:04:29] We will be holding these elections as they do for other councils with voting online [18:04:31] Hai UndiFineD [18:04:45] there will be an email sent out soon with instructions for voting [18:05:05] are there any questions on that? [18:05:28] Instructions in mail, sounds pretty clear :) [18:05:37] I hope it will be }}} === Topic: Getting More Mentors === {{{ [18:05:43] [topic] Getting more Mentors [18:05:46] * NRWlion has none .. waiting for mail [18:05:54] duanedesign: your floor [18:05:58] NRWlion: we have not sent them yet [18:06:01] soon though I think [18:06:44] just a reminder that we need to continue working on our community efforts [18:07:19] I would like to remind people that we have 'umbrella' groups [18:07:30] and there are specializations beneath them [18:07:31] the social aspect of our team is awesome and I have made some wonderful friends, but we are here to contribute to Ubuntu [18:08:16] for example accessibility would be a specilization under development, documentation and support -- depending on what you were skilled at provindg help with [18:08:31] * ddecator would love to see -beginners-bugs become more active [18:08:36] and anyone who is contributing should have no problem geting membership in one of the teams required to be a mentor [18:08:46] lubuntu would be a specialization under support and documentation [18:09:09] ddecator: +1 to active with bugs [18:09:13] for example bugs FG. You wouuld need to be a member of Bug Control. [18:09:20] sorry I am late [18:09:31] cprofitt: Why not dev? Is it because they only select package to use instead of creating new? [18:09:45] If you have any quenstions about the requirements for being a bug mentor or any other FG please ask [18:09:47] duanedesign, To be on the team or as a mentor for -bug? [18:09:56] jledbetter: as a mentor [18:10:18] duanedesign, Understood. Thanks :) What are requirements for -dev? [18:10:23] MrChrisDruif: those are just examples... if there is dedicated dev work to lubuntu that does not cross other projects then yes... but in most cases I see dev as usually being rather cross-WM [18:10:53] cprofitt: Thanks, was just curious :) [18:11:02] duanedesign: all set? [18:11:32] jledbetter: i will find that for you [18:11:50] * nhandler is here [18:11:54] hey nhandler [18:12:16] duanedesign, Thank you. I'd like to know so I can work toward it :) [18:12:48] one of the 'problems' is that SII and speechcontrol have been moved upstream, against my loudest shouts, but I do understand the reasoning. We will retain a very close tie to ubuntu but the council are once again faced with what we had when lubuntu arrived. [18:12:52] all set duanedesign ? [18:13:07] phillw: I do not think we are on that topic yet [18:13:54] Development FG you should be a Contributing Developers, per-package uploaders, MOTU or Core Developers [18:15:04] so if you are active in the community membership in these teams is not very hard and very attainable for all [18:15:19] duanedesign, Ok, thank you. [18:15:31] I would like to see everyone working towards being a member of one of these community teams [18:15:34] thank you }}} === Topic: Accessibility FG === {{{ [18:15:50] [topic] accessibility FG [18:16:04] a quick note before I turn the floor over to UndiFineD [18:16:13] :) [18:16:21] we currently are not planning on having an Accessibility Team [18:16:33] because we do not want to pull it out of the teams it can benefit... [18:16:35] sorry cprofitt I thought we were discussing FG's in general. [18:16:53] developers need to think about accesibility, docmentation needs it... support needs it [18:17:14] so I would like to see accessibility 'experts' on all the FG teams [18:17:57] I know we have discussed this before... and I would be willing to see it discussed more on the email list... [18:18:30] cprofitt: we have a guy redrafting the SII charter, but please understand we were planning on a 3 month transition and got this dropped on us to be moved upstream. [18:18:42] I hope folks understand that it is the intent to give accessibility a first class seat by asking developers, etc to think of it while they are developing... not as an add-on [18:18:46] UndiFineD: you have the floor [18:19:27] hmmm, now I made up this agenda some month ago, a few days after the meeting [18:19:47] and in that time a lot has changed for a lot of us [18:20:08] I can understand the delay for the accessibility FG [18:20:23] but we also need to define expert level [18:21:57] i think that is all i can say about that atm [18:22:00] maybe a wiki page explaining how to get involved in contributing to accessebility.? excuse me if this already exists on the accessebility wiki [18:22:13] it does [18:22:47] UndiFineD: I want to be clear there is no delay for the accessibility FG [18:22:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/GettingInvolved [18:23:03] we want to incorporate accessibility with all the current FGs [18:23:32] ok. we can make it clear that we have interested folks in bt that are willing to help you get involved, through our focus groups, helping with accessebility [18:23:35] have the Dev FG learn about accessibility... from the ground up [18:23:51] +1 duanedesign [18:24:09] suprised no one has pointed out my terrible spelling of accessibility [18:24:10] cprofitt: well, yes and no ;) it is a delay if it is not agreed upon in this meeting, but there is no work done getting this prepared [18:24:34] it was agreed on many meetings ago [18:24:47] to try and incorporate accessibility under our existing FGs [18:24:48] duanedesign: dyslexia ? :P [18:24:54] if people code from the ground up, for either code or web sites, we can make a differance. [18:25:09] +1 phillw [18:25:46] well, it can also be done for existing projects of course [18:25:53] I certainly would like to get more than the one Accessibility Mentor... [18:26:07] I believe hajour is working with charlie-tca on that currently [18:26:27] one of the things I was asked, was does accessibility have enough people to maintain itself as a FG - the answer is yes. [18:26:42] phillw: it is not just a question of that [18:26:54] if we would like to re-open the discussion we can do so on the mailing list [18:27:09] i think it's more about not splitting up efforts and instead trying to keep them combined [18:27:31] if we split them up too much, then we'll have 20 FGs working on different but related things [18:27:41] i think we can make a great difference using our current structure [18:27:56] I will, if you like, try to send an email to the team about what was agreed on before.... if the team wants to change we can work towards coming up with a suggestion [18:28:30] that is why the SII charter is being re-written from scratch as we and speech control were moved upstream, but we can have a chat about that after the meeting. [18:28:51] SII has nothing to do with the BT ... at least nothing that I am aware of [18:28:56] but, yes after the meeting }}} === Topic: New Member Voting === {{{ [18:29:03] [topic] new member voting [18:29:14] ha, it actually caught it that time [18:29:14] I believe the new member voting was covered on the mailing list [18:29:40] yes [18:29:57] but to restate -- the council now votes on new members... and we look at the testimonials on their wiki page, emails sent to the council, etc [18:30:08] just for clarification, out of the nominees, who did the council elect? [18:30:17] * evilnhandler notes that this isn't a new change [18:30:23] this was done to give folks who had issues with making meeting able to have input to the process as well [18:30:47] allowing the council to handle influxes of people such as what we had after UDS-N [18:30:49] elky: right, I added to the confusion last meeeting. That is wht I felt the need to clarify the policy :) [18:30:51] +1 evilnhandler [18:30:52] oops [18:30:57] evilnhandler: ^^ [18:31:17] phillw: we approved szczur }}} === Topic: More Members for Devel FG === {{{ [18:31:38] [topic] More members requested for Developers FG [18:31:47] again before I turn it over to UndiFineD [18:31:56] no, not my topic [18:32:03] I want to clarify that we really do not 'request' members to join teams... [18:32:14] ok UndiFineD [18:32:34] we are all volunteers here... so it is more of a 'want to do this' than a request [18:32:57] * NRWlion gets a slight laugh in his face ;) [18:33:02] More activity would be nice :) [18:33:06] good point :) we are all here to have fun [18:33:15] Yes, "fun" [18:33:22] ;) [18:33:24] we would love to see more activity... and would love to help those who want to contribute to the dev team [18:33:36] but we will not force you in to the Kings army :-) [18:33:39] or any such thing [18:33:46] cprofitt, Who's the active leader? [18:34:30] jledbetter: Collin Pruitt [18:34:39] evilnhandler, Thank you [18:34:53] evilnhandler: we need to make him an admin on the LP team then [18:35:08] cprofitt, doubt that i would be helpful in -dev ;) absolutely no knowledge ;) [18:35:21] cprofitt: He is a member of ~ubuntu-beginners-dev-owner [18:35:21] NRWlion: we want you to be involved where you are interested [18:35:38] evilnhandler: ok [18:35:49] i know. that was just on "we dont force you to the Kings army" ;) [18:35:55] :-) }}} === Topic: Ubuntu for All === {{{ [18:36:06] [topic] Ubuntu for all [18:36:10] UndiFineD: you have the floor [18:36:38] just raising awareness that this is a new team that got started by AlanBell [18:36:59] URL? [18:37:18] it seems to be a somewhat cross-connecting team for every one [18:37:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll [18:37:30] it's actually an old team, we're working to revive it a bit [18:38:00] pleia2: what is Ubuntu Younglings? [18:38:08] that is part of that [18:38:22] cprofitt: AFAIK it's a proposal for kids (youth is more teenage) [18:38:28] I think it totally embodies the Ubuntu ethos (UFA that is) [18:38:31] * cprofitt nods [18:38:45] and what is NGO? [18:39:05] non-government organization, non-profits [18:39:10] * cprofitt nods [18:39:17] Non Governmetal Organisation [18:39:26] so a very broad project that is looking to ensure that people are included? [18:39:35] more of an umbrella team [18:39:46] just making sure all those projects are on track, or at least getting help if they need it [18:39:55] very much the way the BT envisions Accessibility... [18:39:59] is there an lp group? [18:40:00] if I grasp it correctly [18:40:20] there is a mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-for-all [18:40:32] I thank you all for making us aware of this umbrella team... [18:40:33] pleia2: as SII are doing for accessibility, I look forward to working closely with you. [18:40:46] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-for-all [18:41:17] UndiFineD: danke [18:41:24] I think a great many of these interests could be represented inside the BT as well... [18:41:31] at the very least we need to be aware of them [18:41:33] sounds great [18:41:41] cprofitt: I have some follow-up to do with your WRT to BT & Ubuntu Women mentoring [18:41:45] -to [18:41:59] * cprofitt nods to pleia [18:42:01] yep }}} === Topic: Padawan and Mentors === {{{ [18:42:22] [topic] folks needing a master [18:42:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership [18:42:45] please look to the bottom of that page and make an effort to contact folks who are in your TZ [18:43:03] If you are unable to reach a person please contact me or another member of the council. [18:43:19] * ddecator wishes that list included what their interests are [18:43:32] ddecator: that is a good point [18:43:47] I know in some cases we have had people add their names to the list... and never join irc or answer emails... and we need to remove those folks [18:43:51] but sometimes they may not know, right? [18:43:52] Some said in the email so we could add it. [18:44:02] johnny77: just if they have any specific interests [18:44:04] cprofitt, True [18:44:07] though ideally they should send email...what jledbetter said :) [18:44:11] ddecator: yes, we removed the need to tell us what a person was interested in until they are looking for a mentor [18:44:17] ahh [18:44:28] if you are just looking to join the BT you may not know what you are interested in [18:44:43] that may develop as you grow with the team [18:44:59] true, i would just prefer to take someone in my TZ who is interested in working with bugs just so i can possibly help them from the get-go :) [18:45:27] ddecator: but the original phase of being a master is just getting them setup with a LP account, wiki page, irc client, etc [18:45:44] cprofitt: yah, true [18:45:53] I think any BT member should be able to handle that basic list [18:46:09] even i am able to [18:46:19] * ddecator will try to take on someone [18:46:19] it is difficult enough to find masters in some TZs -- having to match interests as well would really slow the process down [18:46:25] we're allowed to have more than one padawan, right? [18:46:39] btw i am a new one too but dont need a master because already found one [18:46:39] you are allowed more than one padawan [18:46:41] ddecator: Yes [18:46:58] cprofitt: right, not having to match on interests, just doing so if it happens to work out that way, but i get your point [18:47:03] when you become a mentor -- we may want to revist that [18:47:37] so again... please look at the list of those seeking a master... [18:47:43] NRWlion: It also stated on the line before it "...?and have not yet been sponsored by a Master" [18:47:55] and look for them on irc or try to contact them [18:48:11] I would like to consider adding another column for 'contacted by' [18:48:18] sorry, its nearly 2 am here ... a little tired ;) [18:48:22] so we do not end up with a person getting 12 emails [18:48:30] anyone have an issue with that? [18:48:38] * NRWlion not [18:48:40] cprofitt, Great idea [18:48:45] nah, that sounds like a good idea [18:49:00] ok --- contact by with a date stamp I think will help [18:49:09] * MrChrisDruif thinks that person would feel very special [18:49:11] oh, that name looks familiar.. [18:49:27] you could do -- [[LaunchpadHome:cprofitt]] <> [18:49:33] jdeslaur has been in the team channel recently, yah? [18:49:35] +1 duanedesign [18:49:58] ddecator: Yeah, he's been there before :) [18:50:00] ddecator: he has.. and I tried to contact jdselaur today [18:50:14] I did not get a response, but at least in channel [18:50:32] alright, i could work with him/her unless you plan to already [18:50:46] but that can be sorted out later [18:50:51] ddecator: be my guess [18:50:55] guest [18:51:03] It would be great for you to do it [18:51:04] jdeslaur is on his work when he is in chat here [18:51:10] cprofitt: want me to add my sig on the wiki then? [18:51:26] ddecator: yes -- and add the column for contacted too please [18:51:32] cprofitt: right, sure thing [18:51:36] also, as another note I would like Masters to review the [18:51:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors [18:51:42] so he is not always able to response right away [18:51:51] page and remove any Padawan that you feel you have lost contact with [18:52:25] for my own part I will be removing three tonight... as I have not gotten any response from them... nor have I seen them in irc [18:52:34] I encourage you to do the same [18:52:53] yes we have needed to clean it up for awhile. [18:52:55] james_w: thanks [18:52:56] it is inevitable that people will decide that BT is not for them... and that is ok [18:52:59] woops [18:53:04] hajour: ^^ [18:53:14] mine just nag me to death... I wish they would leave me in peace somedays :P [18:53:25] any other questions? [18:53:41] i just want to say to everyone keep up the great work. [18:53:49] +1 duanedesign [18:53:58] I'm not sure if this is a good time, but I was wondering if anyone has heard from seidos. [18:54:07] phillw, you ask me to do so ... :( :'( [18:54:11] I've seen him on the mailing list, johnny77 [18:54:19] jledbetter: +1 [18:54:22] as metta [18:54:23] johnny77: yes... I just talked to him earlier today [18:54:31] or at least I am pretty sure i did [18:54:40] johnny77: I have spoken with him in private [18:54:40] :) [18:54:43] maybe it was on the mailing list [18:54:49] I also see him kicking around [18:55:08] thanks to everyone for coming to the meeting. This was an awesome turnout. [18:55:18] +1 [18:55:23] See y'all in -team :D [18:55:25] #endmeeting Meeting ended. }}}