Ubuntu Beginners Team Council Meeting June 23, 2011 {{{ ChanServ gives voice to s-fox * s-fox yawns hi s-fox , welcome back ping bodhi_zazen DarkwingDuck duanedesign ibuclaw Hello coalwater. zup ? Meeting just wondering, is the meeting now or an hour later? i hate time zones It is suppose to be now hm where's cproffit It was scheduled to be now, I was supposed to be gone my now =) It is silly o'clock in the morning its 2 am for me I should have been asleep hours ago (in theory) I am so sorry it is so late for you s-fox I can sympathise coalwater. go ahead and start To recap from the previous, my main gripe it that if the BT is going to succeed , IMO, we need 2 things : Well, given I can only you as the only other council member here might be better to wait? 1. To collaborate with other teams - this seems to be a failure 2. Motivated people willing to volunteer their time - doing a bit better I am just throwing those out as I am likely to be leaving very soon hello s-fox bodhi_zazen can i ask a stupid question or is the meeting still going on ask away AFIK coalwater Okay, those are two good points. I think with point 1 the team has failed because it is trying to become another team (wiki -> docs for example). I also think the collaboration process via mentors or whatever they were did not help. It was overly complex and a lot of jumping through hoops. zero motivation. cprofitt is big on the focus group thing, very structured point 2 is always going to be an issue with volunteers. peoples available time will always be in state of flux. i think the only way it can be covered is by increasing numbers of people willing to help out. in a way, always have a few people around at any one given time. true from the support point of view? cause that's the only part that i think needs people avialable at certain times I think support is going to be demphasized on this team moving forwards coalwater +1 bodhi_zazen The bt should, imo, be focussed on helping people wanting to contribute find the correct teams where they feel they can help most. i do not mean fg s/bt/bct - beginning contributors team i would go with that I spoke briefly with cprofitt about the mission statement bodhi_zazen. It does need to be changed, but not by much i do not believe I think it should be something like "Help people willing to contribute find their ideal team within ubuntu community" yeah it seems to be close Encourage people to mature into the Ubuntu community by moving from an Ubuntu user to a contributor ? Something like that That sounds a lot better :) good luck, I have to run , sorry I could not stay no problems. have fun with your family. <-- bodhi_zazen has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]) duanedesign, do you see an issue with moving away from support and into this role? i know some are not going to like it, but perhaps it is time for them to get involved with larger teams in the community so then move to a FG ? or do u want to like merge them as a sub something in the new bct? That is a good question. I am not totally sure we need to keep the fgs if we become the bct s-fox: yeah. I think the problem with support is their was no real commmunity team ro migrate to s/ro/to i sort of disagree a little. i will explain... places to offer support do exist in the community, it is a case of being aware of them. support options include : - irc (#ubuntu) , launchpad answers, ubuntu forums & askubuntu but those things are more singular and not team based. * s-fox shrugs yeah...but that is up to the community members. If they want a team they can start one I don't think it's needed, to have people dedicated to answer questions or give support, it's just left for any body who's available and knows the answer our goal is just to get people started, show them the ropes, and then provide opportunities for people to mentor others in that area of the community providing opportunities, i think that's one part that needs attention i think it would help if all bct members were already a part of other community teams. we could almost be a place to go if you want to meet someone who is already helping out with a certain team. we could show the best way to get involved and be aware of current projects / drives other teams like which? teams such as: documentation, development, accessibility to name but 3 actually i thought it would be good to get some ubuntu devs for example to mentor beginner devs, a lot of people are wishing to contribute code but are just lost, the irc logs are good, but not organized in a way to help beginners, some might just give up and leave maybe it might slow them a little but on the long run it's useful i think the dev fg did get a little lost in its purpose in my opinion. it started getting to a stage of "general development". it was not uncommon to come across people looking for advice / help with non ubuntu applications if we keep the fgs then the team will need some work. leadership is an area i know that is lacking at the minute, but from what i gather people who can code. additional members would be good for the group. i dont know if the academy section in the dev fg is still functional or not, but i read old logs , its so useful i am not sure on that one coalwater. i have not done anything with that group for over a year. might even be two. duanedesign, do you know anything about it? s-fox, bct, is it a migration or transition for ubt, or is it a separate team? i think a migration. the bt needs to change its role. yea I think the bt needs to become bct could really do with more than myself and duanedesign to discuss this one ;) i thought cproffit was going to be around, he's the one who told me about the meeting, and i told him ill try to be on when it starts only reason im on is cause i dont have work tomorrow lol I have work in 4 hours. :( wow, go sleep I am sorry the full council did not attend coalwater. :\ bit by bit we are hacking awway at it :P its ok, since im free i guess i could study some python, havent done that since some time, i need to start getting back on track I would recommend a book called a byte of python coalwater it is free pdf, quite good for going over the basics i have a copy if you would like me to email it to you * s-fox is more into perl these days :) }}}