2009-04-08 21:01:45 who is participating to this irc meeting ? 2009-04-08 21:02:04 me 2009-04-08 21:03:22 !!! at lest you and me !! ;-) 2009-04-08 21:03:22 i am 2009-04-08 21:04:02 well, at least three persons 2009-04-08 21:04:10 !!!! 2009-04-08 21:04:36 i am in ostende, where are you ? 2009-04-08 21:05:06 I'm here too ;) 2009-04-08 21:05:18 and Benwa is in the Brussels region I suppose 2009-04-08 21:05:30 Ottignies Louvain-la-Neuve (temporary) 2009-04-08 21:05:30 i am 2009-04-08 21:05:32 (as he's a brutele client) 2009-04-08 21:06:59 * siegie heeft verlaten (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 2009-04-08 21:07:17 I haven't heard from Mike about the possible release party in Ghent yet :-( 2009-04-08 21:08:45 so we can scrap point #1 from the agenda for now 2009-04-08 21:09:29 with hopefully report to the next meeting ! 2009-04-08 21:11:00 for the dipro fair in gent, we have at least 4 names in the wiki, can we promote the event in the ubuntu community ? 2009-04-08 21:11:39 = ML, members, support points 2009-04-08 21:13:48 i take this point as a way to wake up the community :P, at least around gent 2009-04-08 21:15:40 To promote the event, you can send a mail (if it's has not been done yet) to the ML. You are also free to invite the supports point using the contact form (no group mail at this point) 2009-04-08 21:16:56 and the ubuntu-be members via the launchpad (when they are localized!) 2009-04-08 21:18:07 I'm not aware of a location based search on Launchpad, event through the API :( 2009-04-08 21:18:08 but till now i am alone with the idea, 2009-04-08 21:18:20 jean7491: but don't mail those who are already comming to help ;) 2009-04-08 21:18:48 of course ! 2009-04-08 21:18:49 mongolito404: you can find people on the map in launchpad 2009-04-08 21:19:14 mongolito404: "visual search" ;) 2009-04-08 21:19:23 yes, but 50 from the 120 members are not localized 2009-04-08 21:21:43 You could collect the address and send a bulk email (don't forget to put the address in BCC and not in CC) 2009-04-08 21:22:49 yes, but it remains an individual initiative ! 2009-04-08 21:22:55 yes 2009-04-08 21:23:19 it is not a great problem to promote the booth at dipro gent, but if it is not repeated in the future, it is nearly useless to start 2009-04-08 21:24:35 * siegie (n=siegie@unaffiliated/siegie) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 21:24:35 we can easily get the complete member list of ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 21:26:07 When it comes to mailing, I'm for opt-in not opt-out. We didn't collect the email addresses of our members (on the website, on the mailing list, etc.) with acknowledgement of such usage. 2009-04-08 21:26:48 well, for the people on the list it's easy ;) 2009-04-08 21:27:00 I'm for opt-in not opt-out what do you mean ? 2009-04-08 21:27:47 When giving their addresses, people agree on the usage (receiving invitation and call for help), that opt-in. 2009-04-08 21:28:12 opt-out is allowing people to 'unsubscribe' from your list at their requests. 2009-04-08 21:28:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt_in_e-mail 2009-04-08 21:29:17 mongolito404: people on the mailing list already opt-in of course 2009-04-08 21:30:03 people on the launchpad team, maybe we should send them a mail first that we might occasionally send such a mail? 2009-04-08 21:30:12 Yes, off course but for the mailing list. Not for they address to be put in a separate list of people to contact to ask for help (or invite) 2009-04-08 21:30:29 because IMNSHO, if you don't want to help, what's the point of being part of the team? 2009-04-08 21:31:26 Yes, a first contact to ask permission for inclusion in a 'contact' file seems fair. 2009-04-08 21:32:20 But we then need a way to collect efficiently the addresses and locations. 2009-04-08 21:32:31 maybe we can start an ubuntu-be-volunteers team... 2009-04-08 21:33:18 But would it be a duplicate of ubuntu -be itself ? 2009-04-08 21:34:07 BTW, if we have people's coordinates, it's not all that difficult to find people within a range from a certain city (postgis & recent versions of mysql have this built-in even) 2009-04-08 21:34:25 "When giving their addresses, people agree on the usage (receiving invitation and call for help), that opt-in." with a selection of members based on the location on the map, an information on the ubuntu booth is less "strong" than an invitation 2009-04-08 21:36:09 jean7491: I think we should only contact people to ask if they want to help at a fair though, not to visit the fair 2009-04-08 21:36:30 People registred as 'support points' gave their addresses to be contacted by visitors of map.ubuntu-be.org only through the form on the site and only about the commitments they made (help to install, provide CD, demo ubuntu). 2009-04-08 21:37:11 mongolito404: I was talking about the coordinates on the launchpad team 2009-04-08 21:37:29 mongolito404: but anyway, we demo Ubuntu at the fairs ;) 2009-04-08 21:37:32 i was not writing about support points but members 2009-04-08 21:37:54 Ok what I said was for the map.ubuntu-be.org 2009-04-08 21:39:16 We can contact members of the ML though the mailing list so that's not a problem. 2009-04-08 21:40:07 And for Launchpad, it provides a contact form for user without a public email address (but I think it has some form of spam protection and will deny sending too much message) 2009-04-08 21:41:40 Personal contact of member of the ML are ok too. But collecting addresses from ML members filtered by their location is a form of ''email harvesting''. 2009-04-08 21:44:22 the objective is a more active ubuntu community in belgium, the promotion of the booth in gent is only a first little step in this direction 2009-04-08 21:44:24 And yes, we demo ubuntu at fairs (well not me, I never went to a fait). So it's ok to contact support points commited to 'demo' and if needed I could provide the email addresses of these. 2009-04-08 21:44:56 jean7491: Yes. We clearly needs a way to collect locations and addresses of interested members. 2009-04-08 21:46:18 actually, by subscribing to the LP team, people already agree that they can get mailed (it's just 1 switch and every team member get's mailed if someone subscribes the team to a bug or such) ;) 2009-04-08 21:47:10 or if someone fills out this form: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be/+contactuser 2009-04-08 21:47:44 (currently this would go to the mailing list) 2009-04-08 21:48:56 And won't reach LP~ubuntu-be members not subscribed to the mailing list. 2009-04-08 21:49:34 mongolito404: exactly (but you can download the list of members as an XML file IIRC) 2009-04-08 21:49:49 * mongolito404 (n=pbuyle@ip-83-134-208-106.dsl.scarlet.be) heeft #ubuntu-be verlaten 2009-04-08 21:49:56 * mongolito404 (n=pbuyle@ip-83-134-208-106.dsl.scarlet.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 21:50:05 with email address ? how ? 2009-04-08 21:52:14 One solution may be to create a ubuntu-be-events team for people willing to help organizing events and we can even have sub-teams for area (eg. ubuntu-be-event-ghent). They will have their own mailing list (provided by LP) 2009-04-08 21:54:14 * pvandewyngaerde (n=pvandewy@59.29-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 21:54:15 The concept an ''event team" already exists on the website http://ubuntu-be.org/en/node/26 2009-04-08 21:54:46 hello, good evening, i totally forgot the meeting 2009-04-08 21:57:09 We could use contact information from the support points map and the website to help to bootstrap the team by invitating potentialy interested members. 2009-04-08 21:58:42 an active community (we have to start somewhere, why not in gent?) is more attractive for new members (and to activate non active members) -- it is more than the problematic of email addresses, mailing list ... , i see it as a perspective, a short term plan. perhaps we should start to look at ideas and define steps ! 2009-04-08 21:58:43 we can advertise it on the ubuntu dipro booth on the 19th in Gen 2009-04-08 21:59:27 idea: an (active) ubuntu-be-events team used to organize and coordinate events 2009-04-08 22:00:23 step 1: get members interested to help for the Ghent fair to join the team 2009-04-08 22:00:37 count me in 2009-04-08 22:00:55 when is it ? 2009-04-08 22:01:04 19/04 2009-04-08 22:01:19 step 2: get more members interested to help for other events to join 2009-04-08 22:02:06 step 3: get people organizing events to know about the team and how to reach it (provide this information a clean and clear wiki page) 2009-04-08 22:03:26 step 0: create the team and start using it (ie: use LP features to organize the ghent fair, LP provide a mailing list, bugs, answers, meetings; etc.) 2009-04-08 22:05:39 sounds good ? 2009-04-08 22:05:54 yes 2009-04-08 22:06:49 yes, as a start ! who is part of the event-team in website, and contact bart#ubuntu.com - Wesley#ubuntu.com ? 2009-04-08 22:07:45 Yes 2009-04-08 22:08:06 It has never been very clear to me who was in this team 2009-04-08 22:08:14 i joined ubuntu-be in october 2008, i do not know what happened before! 2009-04-08 22:09:01 i want to be part of the event team 2009-04-08 22:11:32 Since the team (as a LP team) does not exists, it should be first created (any Launchpad user can create a team) 2009-04-08 22:13:31 another new team ? 2009-04-08 22:13:33 i can contribute to the team, but my experience in ubuntu-be is limited to dipro fairs (W-Vl) and 4-5 members i met there. in the team we need people from every region and who have more experience 2009-04-08 22:14:51 pvandewyngaerde: Well yes, ubuntu-be is more general. For instance, I wouldn't join a event team since I rarely participate and never helped to organize any event. 2009-04-08 22:15:19 jean7491: There isn't many active ''old'' members these days. 2009-04-08 22:16:02 which is why I've started these IRC meetings ;) 2009-04-08 22:18:03 jean7491: You can start the team and use LP for the ghent event. You can always pass the ownership of the team to somebody else later. 2009-04-08 22:18:27 I can set up a LP team too, if that makes things easier 2009-04-08 22:18:46 you may be more confortable than jean7491 with LP 2009-04-08 22:19:01 I guess the team should become a subteam of ubuntu-be too then 2009-04-08 22:19:23 (teams can be members of other teams) 2009-04-08 22:19:29 Yes 2009-04-08 22:19:56 how to call it, ubuntu-be-events ? 2009-04-08 22:20:45 other 'sub teams' are ubuntu-be-webeditor and ubuntu-be-planet so I would say yes. 2009-04-08 22:20:52 (but I named these teams) 2009-04-08 22:21:15 BTW, the XML user list is at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be/+rdf (no e-mail addresses there, but links to the GPG keyserver...) 2009-04-08 22:24:53 my first concern : as new in the community, it is difficult to take the leading of events (example in gent with other more experienced people like pieter, dieter, kenneth, joris, mike, ... jan? ...) - can provoke reactions ... 2009-04-08 22:24:54 * DarkEra heeft verlaten (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 2009-04-08 22:24:56 * DarkEra2 (n=DarkEra@unaffiliated/darkera) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 22:26:09 when would the release party in gent take place ? 2009-04-08 22:26:52 pvandewyngaerde: not sure yet, which is why I regret not hearing from Mike :-( 2009-04-08 22:27:10 we allready have a small unofficial one in Roeselare on the linuxbabbel.be 2009-04-08 22:27:18 * PhilippeP (n=philippe@85.201.41.238) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 22:27:41 pvandewyngaerde: Has it been announced on the mailing list ? 2009-04-08 22:28:22 not that i know 2009-04-08 22:29:04 jean7491: don't worry too much about taking the leading 2009-04-08 22:29:16 Why do you call it an ''unofficial'' release party ? 2009-04-08 22:30:05 jean7491: if you ask, most people will be happy to give you the leading ;) 2009-04-08 22:30:31 because this is a regular meeting 2009-04-08 22:31:01 mongolito404: remember some people complaining about us using English on the list? ;) 2009-04-08 22:32:55 pvandewyngaerde: koen told me .... en de release-party is een organisatie van ubuntu-be en niet van de linuxbabbel. Daarover kan ik je dus niets meer vertellen... Volgende linuxbabbel : do 23 april te Lichtervelde. Je krijgt nog een uitnodiging per mail.... so i added the linuxbabbel meeting in the future events (wiki) but without agenda 2009-04-08 22:34:12 oh yeah its in lichtervelde now, i keep saying roeselare 2009-04-08 22:34:58 but for me : no confirmed release party 2009-04-08 22:36:30 * PhilippeP heeft verlaten (Remote closed the connection) 2009-04-08 22:37:03 interested people can always come 2009-04-08 22:38:46 pvandewyngaerde: email from koen on 30/03 2009-04-08 22:41:17 JanC: Yes I remeber people complaining about English. Why do you ask ? 2009-04-08 22:41:45 koen was one of them iirc 2009-04-08 22:42:06 jean7491: there is no release party organised by ubuntu-be (yet?) 2009-04-08 22:42:48 ubuntu-ne is not an active entity, its members organize release party. ubuntu-be is a medium to support their effort 2009-04-08 22:42:50 mongolito404: politics :-( 2009-04-08 22:43:14 janC - ok last post was about linuxbabbel 2009-04-08 22:43:26 politics ? Like I'm not working with you to get a better world because we don't speak the same language ? 2009-04-08 22:44:06 mongolito404: at least less cooperative because of the language 2009-04-08 22:44:20 that's more or less my impression 2009-04-08 22:45:02 lets create another team for people that only want to speak dutch 2009-04-08 22:45:45 Then another team for people who only speak dutch and are from antwerpen 2009-04-08 22:45:49 which I consider stupid, because several of us can easily act as contact persons between e.g. linuxbabbel & ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 22:45:53 and another for Liège 2009-04-08 22:46:18 yeah, I want a team for Dutch speaking people in Liège ! :P 2009-04-08 22:46:58 and we need a female team 2009-04-08 22:47:11 just to get it right... this is called linuxBABBEL and its member have issue with languages ? 2009-04-08 22:47:26 and i need a team for frnch speaking in ostende 2009-04-08 22:47:33 french 2009-04-08 22:47:40 jean7491: haha, at least you would have 1 member ;) 2009-04-08 22:47:44 and we need a team for men who are not gays but like to wear pink and female underwear ! 2009-04-08 22:49:12 local teams e.g. for 1 province could be set up once there is a lot of things happening there and otherwise they would flood the main (event) mailing list 2009-04-08 22:49:43 JanC: Yes, but only if needed 2009-04-08 22:50:01 summary for me 1. dipro gent : i'll take initiative to promote the event within the community, in the ML, and to people around gent (members and support points) 2. we have to set up an event-team (point for irc meeting) and i think additionnaly we should discuss a wider view of the future (events, members of other areas in be., contacts with other associations, ... 2009-04-08 22:50:04 and there is also no problem with local event organisers speaking dutch/french IMHO 2009-04-08 22:50:10 i also want kubuntu-be-* teams since i am a kde user 2009-04-08 22:50:36 * JanC kicks pvandewyngaerde 2009-04-08 22:50:39 :P 2009-04-08 22:50:42 AFAIK, there has never been any problems with mail in dutch or french on the ML 2009-04-08 22:51:04 there are allready a lot of volunteers on the website for the booth at dipro 2009-04-08 22:51:24 jean7491: yes. But JanC created the ubuntu-be-events so you can use it to organize the ghent fait (you will have to join the team first) 2009-04-08 22:51:40 I need to set up a mailing list too I suppose 2009-04-08 22:51:49 JanC could invite these volounteers to koin the team 2009-04-08 22:51:56 JanC: Yes, probably 2009-04-08 22:52:11 LP provides an ML (but without digest) 2009-04-08 22:52:20 hm, apparently the mailing list != the team :-/ 2009-04-08 22:52:26 s/koin/join 2009-04-08 22:52:30 omg not another mailing list 2009-04-08 22:52:43 pvandewyngaerde: ? 2009-04-08 22:52:54 I'm on about 100 mailing lists? ;) 2009-04-08 22:53:23 gets me at least 2000 mails / day ;) 2009-04-08 22:53:41 (most of which I mark read without reading of course) 2009-04-08 22:53:52 LP can provide a mailing list, but if not mailing is set for the team, mails sent to the team are sent to each memebr 2009-04-08 22:54:16 i prefer an empty mailbox, i clean al my mails 2009-04-08 22:54:27 pvandewyngaerde: filtering++ 2009-04-08 22:55:52 actually, sometimes mails to some folders are read earlier than mails to my inbox, depending on the address used ;) 2009-04-08 22:56:34 JanC: It looks like your filters lost my invitation for ~ubuntu-be-events to join ~ubuntu-be :D 2009-04-08 22:56:50 mongolito404: I don't read mail 24/7 ;) 2009-04-08 22:57:44 okay, done 2009-04-08 22:57:58 i dont like mobile phones, mail, mailing lists, forums and wikis, in fact in dont like communicating 2009-04-08 22:58:17 pvandewyngaerde: it's essential to organise things though ;) 2009-04-08 22:58:26 yes 2009-04-08 22:58:30 pvandewyngaerde: That's fine until you want to participate :D 2009-04-08 22:58:44 pvandewyngaerde: what about micro-blogging ? 2009-04-08 22:59:12 IRC = micro-blogging :P 2009-04-08 22:59:14 do agree with my summary :-/ as end of the 2d topic 2009-04-08 22:59:26 i also dont like reading 2009-04-08 22:59:54 anyway, jean7491 give your summary 2009-04-08 23:00:12 pvandewyngaerde: I suggest you start a team for ubuntu-be members who don't like to communicate and read 2009-04-08 23:00:35 at 22.50 summary for me 1. dipro gent : i'll take initiative to promote the event within the community, in the ML, and to people around gent (members and support points) 2. we have to set up an event-team (point for irc meeting) and i think additionnaly we should discuss a wider view of the future (events, members of other areas in be., contacts with other associations, ... 2009-04-08 23:00:59 ok 2009-04-08 23:01:29 ok 2009-04-08 23:01:37 janc? 2009-04-08 23:02:41 I've just changed the events team to a moderated team, so I can request people to set their location ;) 2009-04-08 23:03:02 jean7491: I'm okay with that 2009-04-08 23:03:25 Benwa: ? ;) 2009-04-08 23:04:47 yes 2009-04-08 23:04:56 next topic "future events" : we already discuss linuxbabbel meeting, anything else ? 2009-04-08 23:05:52 I'm not aware of any others event 2009-04-08 23:06:48 well, somebody is going to an accessibility fair in Ghent to do some underground marketing 2009-04-08 23:07:28 but that's a personal initiative 2009-04-08 23:09:00 reva2009, but i am waiting news from the contact; i don't speak about release party in gent (to organize) or hasselt (bitmappers) ; i just noted the next dipro in antwerpen; but other activities ? 2009-04-08 23:10:44 there were 2 peopel who said they might maybe help a bit on Dipro Antwerp, but that's not enough 2009-04-08 23:11:22 or are there more now? 2009-04-08 23:11:30 i know, see wiki, and 08-09/05/2009, Journées du Libre BxLUG, Brussel - informations about ? 2009-04-08 23:12:14 1 person offered help, but only if he's not alone (like last year) 2009-04-08 23:13:37 for antwerpen, we have time ! i am still hoping ! here we will need promotion to find volunteers ! 2009-04-08 23:13:49 * warddr heeft verlaten ("Ik ga weg") 2009-04-08 23:14:20 right 2009-04-08 23:14:40 can we pass to the next topic, time is running ! 2009-04-08 23:14:47 yes 2009-04-08 23:14:53 jean7491: maybe using the ubuntu-nl forum is a solution there 2009-04-08 23:15:29 jean7491: I'll see if I can do something there 2009-04-08 23:16:35 and for computer fairs in Wallonia, maybe the french forums can help (I have no experience there)? 2009-04-08 23:17:22 jean7491: do you know about french-speaking Belgians on ubuntu-fr ? 2009-04-08 23:18:23 yes, i already posted suggestions to events in belgium to be added on time in ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 23:19:48 A bit late, but on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Responsibility there is people listed as responsible for events. 2009-04-08 23:20:22 but a bit outdated ? 2009-04-08 23:20:33 ok, update-cleaning website and wiki : a lot of things to control and to do, but it seems to me that website is 1st priority as our first contact with visitors 2009-04-08 23:21:12 what's wrong with the website ? 2009-04-08 23:21:14 more than a bit outdated 2009-04-08 23:21:22 which part ? 2009-04-08 23:22:28 i've no experience with working with websites, the site looks good, but here and there details to be corrected or update necessary 2009-04-08 23:22:42 I mean the Responsibility list: I think me & DieterVanderfaeillie are the only ones still "active" for event? 2009-04-08 23:22:46 The event section is totally outdated, the partipate page needs to be updated with clear indication on where and how to help. 2009-04-08 23:22:52 * hfsdo (n=hfsdo@95.54-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be 2009-04-08 23:23:26 i will try the procedure of bug reports in the future 2009-04-08 23:24:39 Please do, imho this is the best solution to list what needs to be corrected on the website 2009-04-08 23:25:29 I think it's important to clean the responsibilities page 2009-04-08 23:25:52 wiki : i suggest to review the paragraph Fair booths & Events, sorting the events by kind (fosdem, ..) before the dates 2009-04-08 23:26:03 I'll try to contact all of these people if they are still interested (except some of them I already know they aren't) 2009-04-08 23:26:14 jean7491: good idea 2009-04-08 23:27:59 wiki : paragraph who-responsabilities needs a wider consultation and will take time ! 2009-04-08 23:28:42 Events could also be moved up on the page 2009-04-08 23:29:10 at least a link to the events should be way up 2009-04-08 23:29:38 front page could be much shorter 2009-04-08 23:30:04 Is BelgianTeam/Skills really useful ? 2009-04-08 23:30:47 i don't see the need 2009-04-08 23:31:15 then i suggest we remove it 2009-04-08 23:31:55 it could be useful, but currently is outdated too 2009-04-08 23:32:13 It's hard and time consuming to maintain 2009-04-08 23:32:41 yes, and maybe also more useful as an internal tool anyway 2009-04-08 23:32:54 pictures are useless , pictures are available in launchpad, if needed 2009-04-08 23:34:48 The pictures page is used to link to pictures around the web, it's useful but could be moved down in the page 2009-04-08 23:35:21 But I agree, pictures should be linked from somewhere lese, like ''event reports'' 2009-04-08 23:36:36 last 5 minutes for me, can we fix date next meeting before i leave ? 2009-04-08 23:36:44 next week ? 2009-04-08 23:37:09 next week Wednesday? 2009-04-08 23:37:18 same day ? same hour ? for me ok 2009-04-08 23:37:39 yes, and more discussion on the list or IRC in between is always possible ;) 2009-04-08 23:38:04 ok 2009-04-08 23:38:16 e.g. on the wiki cleanup topic 2009-04-08 23:39:40 janC : ok, i write report (coordination with you), and we will see for topics next meeting, try to get progress about release party in gent ! 2009-04-08 23:40:42 if mike shows up... :-( 2009-04-08 23:41:25 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/promotional-materials 2009-04-08 23:41:29 if he doesn't answer fast enough, I'll try to find another solution 2009-04-08 23:43:26 pvandewyngaerde: what about this page ? 2009-04-08 23:44:14 promotion material can be topic next meeting -- i already updated the fr and nl short presentation of ubuntu in the wiki with 9.04 2009-04-08 23:44:32 I sent a mail to François Cauwe (the assignee for this blue print) about this page but he hasn't responded yet. 2009-04-08 23:45:03 mongolito404: is it still Cédric who maintains ubuntu-be.org DNS zone file? 2009-04-08 23:45:25 hu ? I guess. 2009-04-08 23:45:33 is there an overview of all the wiki pages and the date it was last edited 2009-04-08 23:45:33 What are DNS zone files ? 2009-04-08 23:46:07 mongolito404: who can set *.ubuntu-be.org to point to a certain IP-address and such 2009-04-08 23:46:12 the name looku configuration 2009-04-08 23:46:23 i leave now, janc, can you post the log in the wiki ? 2009-04-08 23:46:29 jean7491: okay 2009-04-08 23:46:48 Have to go too 2009-04-08 23:46:54 bye to everybody ;-) 2009-04-08 23:47:00 it says Cédric on the wiki, so if you don't know, it's probably still him ;) 2009-04-08 23:47:13 It's probably him yes