(16:32:29) Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2009-12-02 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
(17:02:27) Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2009-12-02 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information

(21:02:51) ***JanC heeft nu lococouncil meeting, dus even geen tijd om op te zoeken
(21:03:05) jean7491: good zvzning, who is here for the meeting ?
(21:03:08) LarsB: ok np
(21:03:15) nero_: check
(21:03:22) OLD-Hans: Hans
(21:03:23) ***LarsB raises his hand
(21:03:25) jean7491: good evening !
(21:04:30) mongolito404: Hi
(21:04:40) LarsB: jean7491: do you know how manny tables we can use on dipro Genk?
(21:05:07) jean7491: hello LarsB, nero_, JanC, mongolito404 , OLD-Hans, ...
(21:06:10) jean7491: LarsB: likely 2x 2m. table, can be more if dipro has not enough booths
(21:06:41) rossemiel: hi jean
(21:06:43) LarsB: And that 38, do we pay it at the dipro itself or does it need to be paid in front?
(21:06:52) LarsB: 38€
(21:07:19) JanC: they come to get it during the fair
(21:07:24) LarsB: ok
(21:07:29) JanC: somewhere in the afternoon
(21:07:44) LarsB: So we run then right? xD
(21:09:25) OLD-Hans: Even nog een vraag voor dat papier mag dat wit zijn dat heb ik in huis
(21:10:34) jean7491: OLD-Hans: see it later with lars
(21:10:51) jean7491: agenda : topic 1. past and future events, topic 2. promotion material, topic 3. Support points map status topic 4. things living in the mailing list
(21:11:11) jean7491: 1. past and future events
(21:11:51) jean7491: dipro fair antwerp on 29/11 a successful event, sofar i know
(21:12:54) jean7491: perhaps not enough hardware to brand enough cd's, ...
(21:13:57) nero_: s/brand/burn :)
(21:14:29) jean7491: allways the problem ; difficult to spend time to brand cd's when you are speaking to visitors
(21:16:03) jean7491: for the rest, no comment, bram will post a report + pics later
(21:16:32) jean7491: dipro Genk on 6/12 preparation is going well, sofar I know, ...
(21:16:44) LarsB: jep
(21:16:49) jean7491: LarsB : comment?
(21:16:55) LarsB: Got the promo materiel here with me
(21:17:08) LarsB: just a little affraid that we won't have enough pc's that can burn cd's
(21:17:24) LarsB: And this is my first fair so ofc a little nervous xD
(21:17:30) jean7491: do you have enough posters?
(21:17:47) LarsB: 10
(21:17:54) OLD-Hans: lupc for 2
(21:18:16) LarsB: But Wiki says something about a Loco team banner, but I didn't get that one
(21:19:08) XiaoShiZi [n=XiaoShiZ@78-22-147-183.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:19:29) jean7491: you have the file in the wiki: print it in assemblage 2xa4 in lenght
(21:19:38) JanC: if you know somebody with a plotter, you can make one
(21:20:08) LarsB: I can ask someone on school, Department art has plotters
(21:20:36) LarsB: where can I download it?
(21:20:55) jean7491: then use the file from the wiki ! but see for the format?, wait for the link
(21:22:00) jean7491: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Be_LoCo_team-banner.png for a png copy, ...
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(21:23:28) LarsB: k
(21:23:41) LarsB: So its just 2xA4 or what size is it?
(21:24:37) OLD-Hans: have bannerpaper
(21:26:08) jean7491: i used it in 42x84 cm.
(21:26:35) LarsB: thats A2?
(21:27:18) OLD-Hans: no
(21:27:53) jean7491: approx high 42, lenght 84
(21:28:18) SWAT a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
(21:28:26) LarsB: i'll go ask on school tomorrow, else i need to make a 2xA4 one
(21:28:39) jean7491: the file is available in .svg
(21:29:14) LarsB: whith what do i open that? Don't know that extention
(21:29:32) mongolito404: inkscape
(21:30:54) XiaoShiZi: Size 420x840 is almost A1 59.4*84.1 A2 42.0*59.4 A3 29.7x42.0 A4 21.0x42.0
(21:31:21) jurgentje [n=Jurgen@d51A5028A.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:31:30) LarsB: school can print A3 max I think
(21:31:32) jurgentje: eepla... sorry voor de vertraging
(21:31:35) LarsB: maybe A2, not sure
(21:31:42) LarsB: hi jurgentje
(21:31:48) jurgentje: Hi
(21:32:04) jean7491: LarsB if necessary, contact me after the meeting for more details on the banner
(21:32:13) LarsB: ok
(21:32:19) jean7491: hello Jurgentje
(21:32:36) jean7491: other question for dipro genk?
(21:33:07) LarsB: not me
(21:33:24) OLD-Hans: How many are we?
(21:33:47) LarsB: 4
(21:33:56) LarsB: Hans, Koen, Jan and me
(21:34:27) jean7491: next item dipro mechelen on 13/12
(21:34:32) LarsB: Koen = rossemiel
(21:35:24) rossemiel: i bring beer!
(21:35:24) jean7491: for genk coordination, feel free to coordinate later on #ubuntu-be!
(21:35:42) OLD-Hans: Lars is wit papier ook goed
(21:36:12) jean7491: dipro mechelen on 13/12 : jurgentje, nero_ : what about the preparation?
(21:36:33) nero_: Who has the promo material?
(21:36:39) jurgentje: well... I have the promo material
(21:36:47) nero_: OK
(21:36:51) jurgentje: just missing a few details: I still need a big table cloth
(21:36:57) jurgentje: (we don't have big ones at home)
(21:37:01) nero_: How big?
(21:37:17) jurgentje: for some long tables (4 meter?)
(21:37:19) jean7491: at least 4 m.
(21:37:22) JanC: are there enough people for the fair in Mechelen?
(21:37:42) JanC: (I mean: can I order the booth)
(21:38:09) jean7491: at least 4, perhaps 5 or 6 ?
(21:38:11) nero_: According the wiki we are at least with 4
(21:38:12) jurgentje: well, I have a few people who confirmed their presence on the mail, I'll be mailing again nowadays... school is pretty busy, exams are starting etc
(21:38:39) jurgentje: Nero and I, and I already have 2 others, of which one couldn't stay full day.
(21:39:02) jurgentje: I'll be getting in touch with the others again over the next days to ask for a reply
(21:39:28) nero_: If needed I can bring an external usb burner
(21:39:41) jean7491: then ok to order the booth!
(21:40:11) jurgentje: when and how does that happen?
(21:40:18) jurgentje: I mean, I have no experience with this
(21:40:32) jurgentje: I'll have a laptop... and a desktop if needed too
(21:41:55) jean7491: JanC will order the booth, you just have to coordinate for enough people, hardware and material ...
(21:41:57) OLD-Hans: Just r ing DIPRO
(21:42:08) rossemiel: i have to go now, good evening to you all
(21:42:20) jurgentje: rossemiel: you're genk, right?
(21:42:25) nero_: If we have internet access I have a spare 16p switch and a spare WiFi switch too
(21:42:27) rossemiel: yes
(21:42:44) jurgentje: I have another Q for Mechelen: what happens with the promo material?
(21:42:46) jean7491: rossemiel bye
(21:43:03) jurgentje: okido... good luck and enjoy next week, rossemiel ... bye
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(21:43:17) OLD-Hans: I bring Free mobile stick
(21:43:25) jean7491: Q ? 
(21:43:31) jurgentje: question
(21:44:21) nero_: Do I need to pick up something in Ostend next WE?
(21:44:58) jean7491: material: just use it and what you do not use can be back to bram in a'pen
(21:45:30) jurgentje: well... we'd still be needing stuff to attach our posters and stuff around there... in Antwerp, we had big clamps (but they were from Bram).
(21:46:23) jurgentje: Bram suggested to buy a few of those clamps and some sturdy plastic boxes, to to create a real "promo box" - this would make transport easier too, I think
(21:47:10) LarsB: where do you hang the posters on?
(21:47:17) LarsB: The table or the wall behind you or?
(21:47:51) JanC: whatever you can use (there is not always a wall...)
(21:47:56) jurgentje: is there a wall? in Antwerp we had like metal grids
(21:48:14) LarsB: In Genk depends if you are in the outer ring of tables
(21:48:17) LarsB: else you have air!
(21:48:18) LarsB: xD
(21:48:26) jean7491: i have a few white boards ? do you have enough posters, banners, flyers (2-300) ? i have a lot of metal clamps (several sizes)
(21:50:18) jurgentje: we've got some hard boarded posters to present, and plenty of posters
(21:51:21) jurgentje: Bram also arranged for a few "Ubuntu-be crew" neck hangers ... it adds to the flair of being a real team ;)
(21:52:10) jean7491: if possible, i can deliver more posters, banners, flyers, white boards to constitute a mechelen event-box (promo material), (hardware is another problem) or all this material can be brought back to bram as a central supply point 
(21:52:49) jurgentje: I'm going to Vilvoorde (the other direction) ... Nero, are you going to Antwerp?
(21:53:34) OLD-Hans: Can we use dobbelsided tape?
(21:53:42) nero_: Not in the near future
(21:53:50) jean7491: bram does not need the stuff for now!
(21:54:14) LarsB: Sure hans, if there is anything to put it on
(21:54:32) jurgentje: I guess we'll have to improvise once we're there :p
(21:54:44) OLD-Hans: I will buy a rol
(21:54:47) jurgentje: so what's the hardware we'll have? Nero? Hans?
(21:55:03) LarsB: Hans is going to mechelen too?
(21:55:38) jean7491: no
(21:56:18) OLD-Hans: Not forseen But if really necessary
(21:56:37) jean7491: mechelen + frank, marc, andy?, wouter?
(21:56:57) nero_: Plenty hardware :) 13" Notebook, netbook, burner, switch, router, ...
(21:58:01) jurgentje: ah, okay. I thought - as you were taking care of those items - that you were coming too...
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(21:59:09) jurgentje: Okay, so I'll be arranging a laptop but no desktop (my wife would apparently kill me if I took both computers)
(21:59:20) t00r [n=t00r@unaffiliated/t00r] a rejoint le salon.
(21:59:22) LarsB: Hans is coming to Genk
(22:00:20) jean7491: please, go ahead with genk- and mechelen-coordinations after the meeting, 
(22:00:26) jurgentje: ah, okay.
(22:00:29) jurgentje: okido
(22:00:30) jurgentje: sorry
(22:01:15) jurgentje: dipro mechelen -> #dipro-mechelen :)
(22:01:47) jean7491: you can use this channel later! nero_ just confirm me if you are coming to ostend on 5/12 for additional promo material?
(22:02:27) nero_: Yep, let me know the meeting coordinates
(22:03:21) jean7491: nero_ : mail me no later then friday if you are coming on 5/12
(22:03:37) nero_: OK
(22:04:09) jean7491: next item 14/12 meeting Digipolis on Openbaar Computer Ruimtes in ghent
(22:05:57) jean7491: kenneth is in charge, but if you have information, experience or suggestion about the open computer ruimtes (in ghent or elsewhere), please mail me or to kenneth
(22:07:15) XiaoShiZi: what is the open computer ruimtes? are those the computers in the streets of gent?
(22:08:12) OLD-Hans: I had the same toughts
(22:09:07) jean7491: see http://www.gent.be/eCache/THE/1/36/631.cmVjPTEzNjYzNw.html
(22:09:34) XiaoShiZi: checked by google and got this site http://ubuntu-be.org/en/content/forum#nabble-td3940859
(22:09:53) JanC: that's the mailing list ;)
(22:11:08) jean7491: i just saw program 2010 dipro fairs : hasselt on 24/01, ghent on 31/01 and kortrijk on 7/02
(22:11:26) XiaoShiZi: indeed the public computers are included on the list... there's one on the corner of my straat (I'm living in Gent)
(22:12:41) |mantas| [n=ubuntu@ip-81-11-224-192.dsl.scarlet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(22:13:07) jean7491: XiaoShiZi : if you have experience with this ocr, or just have a look at and mail me
(22:13:16) OLD-Hans: WE did have them some Years ago in Hasselt
(22:13:28) XiaoShiZi: are these computers runing on ubuntu?
(22:13:38) LarsB: I can come 24/01 to hasselt :)
(22:15:12) OLD-Hans: I will know Sunday
(22:15:22) jean7491: i don't know, but we have the opportunity to present ubuntu (and foss) to people in charge (or future in charge) during a meeting on 14/12, organized by digipolis 
(22:16:09) XiaoShiZi: what skill is needed to be present on that meeting?
(22:17:01) OLD-Hans: Do You need help on 14/12?
(22:21:05) OLD-Hans a quitté le salon ("Ik ga weg")
(22:23:40) mongolito404: ping ?
(22:23:46) LarsB: I have to go. I'll read the further tomorrow
(22:23:51) LarsB: on my netbook
(22:24:02) jean7491: XiaoShiZi : if you can help kenneth, you are welcome ! OLD-Hans : thanks, hoping ghent people will do it!
(22:24:13) jean7491: bye LarsB
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(22:24:46) XiaoShiZi: is kenneth from gent?
(22:24:59) XiaoShiZi: willing to help but need more details
(22:25:35) OLD-Hans [n=Hans@91.179.121.185] a rejoint le salon.
(22:26:22) jean7491: ok XiaoShiZi, i mail you about it, kenneth is from ghent
(22:26:45) XiaoShiZi: @ jean7491 ok
(22:26:49) jean7491: next topic 2. promotion material - is there anything to mention, any new idea ?
(22:28:40) jean7491: if nothing for now, next topic ...
(22:28:55) jean7491: topic 3. Support points map status
(22:29:12) mongolito404: I finally took some time to restart the project
(22:29:31) mongolito404: I cleaned up the project at https://launchpad.net/support.points.map
(22:29:51) mongolito404: More important, I started with some base code
(22:30:25) jurgentje: Great :) ... way to go!
(22:30:34) mongolito404: The code is visible at https://code.launchpad.net/~mongolito404/support.points.map/trunk
(22:30:52) mongolito404: As planned, it's a drupal module
(22:31:39) mongolito404: The goal is to get almost all feature of the current map.ubuntu-be.org except for the map itself
(22:32:35) mongolito404: User registration is handled by Drupal. As well as user contact form (optional but available in Drupal core).
(22:32:51) jurgentje: :)
(22:33:12) jean7491: thanks, i'll take time to look at it and to give you some feedback (through bug reports?)
(22:33:12) jurgentje: so all users of the support map need a launchpad account?
(22:33:47) mongolito404: It is not ready for user review, it is for developpers
(22:35:19) mongolito404: A Launchpad account is not required in the code, but for the Ubuntu-be deployment it will be required.
(22:35:37) mongolito404: A think it's ok since LP is the way to go for anybody wanting to contribute to Ubuntu
(22:36:54) JanC: mongolito404: can you pull the location data from LP ?
(22:36:56) mongolito404: Drupal itslef is not tied to LP. The module uses Drupal, so it not tied to LP. But for the ubuntu-be website, we configured Drupal to uses LP to provide user authentication.
(22:37:16) mongolito404: JanC: I don't think so. And certainly not in the first version.
(22:38:40) mongolito404: A user wanting o be a supporter has to fill a form with it's address. Geocoding is used to retrieve its location.
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(22:41:29) mongolito404: I will try to make the module usable on any Drupal install by next week. So anybody with a minal Drupal knowledge could test it and contribute
(22:42:30) jurgentje: I think requiring a LP account is an extra threshold that's not nessecary (just my opinion), and it might scare off potential supporters
(22:43:38) mongolito404: This is a deployment time configuration. This is not an issue with the Drupal module I'm working on.
(22:45:31) mongolito404: The current map got many "oh no, not another site to register to" from both newcomers and LP users
(22:45:34) jurgentje: idd ... sorry for the off topic
(22:46:26) jean7491: thanks, unfortunatly i don't have the minimal Drupal knowledge to help you with this. anything else on this topic ?
(22:47:23) mongolito404: Yes, as usual make it know that we need help on this.
(22:48:54) jurgentje: Maybe a small item on the front page? (somewhere in a sideblock?)
(22:49:25) selckin a quitté le salon (quit: Client Quit)
(22:49:38) jurgentje: with a call for help? (and an explicit call on the mailinglist for people familiar with Drupal)
(22:49:43) mongolito404: jurgentje: I value your proposition. But my head is already full of idea. I don't need idea, I need code.
(22:49:44) jean7491: mongolito404: ok, eventually you can send me what should be included in the report, perhaps with details about what kind of help you need?
(22:49:49) selckin [n=selckin@unaffiliated/selckin] a rejoint le salon.
(22:50:33) jurgentje: No... I mean a small item asking for people who know Drupal to help code :)
(22:51:48) mongolito404: I plan to remove the Karmic countdown, maybe I will add a call for help there.
(22:52:08) mongolito404: That's a nice idea.
(22:52:12) ***jurgentje is off... too late for me. Wishing mongolito404 loads of code on the new project :)
(22:52:14) mongolito404: But the website don't get many visits.
(22:52:39) jurgentje: hmm... old support map... is it easy to add that kind of code there?
(22:53:03) mongolito404: Not easy but no to hard neither
(22:53:14) jurgentje: small request for coders? (or mailinglist) .... Off to bed... take two. Bye all.
(22:53:46) jurgentje a quitté le salon (quit: "Don't let the bed bugs byte ;)")
(22:53:46) mongolito404: jean7491: Any PHP coders could help at this state. Experience with Drupal is a plus. Drupal is a bit hard at first. But it's worth it (my opinion)
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(22:54:22) jdb [n=joeri@64.56.74.65] a rejoint le salon.
(22:54:37) mongolito404: I can provide some support to those wanting to learn.
(22:55:47) XiaoShiZi: is it possible to make a small how to so that we can run an check your project?
(22:56:09) mongolito404: XiaoShiZi: I hope to make one for next week.
(22:56:18) XiaoShiZi: great
(22:57:26) jean7491: mongolito404: it is easier for me if you can send me a few sentences for the report describing the topic and including the call for help
(22:57:45) mongolito404: A really quick how to is: Install Drupal http://drupal.org/getting-started/install
(22:57:51) |mantas| a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
(22:58:04) mongolito404: jean7491: Ok, I'll do that tommorow morning. mail me if you don't see anything coming
(22:58:48) mongolito404: Second step is to install the module and its dependencies http://drupal.org/getting-started/install-contrib/modules
(22:58:59) jean7491: ok, this was the last topic, anything else 
(22:59:40) jean7491: or have you anything else on this support-map ?
(23:00:39) mongolito404: don't have anything more to say
(23:00:47) jean7491: ok
(23:01:12) jean7491: any other question for the meeting ?
(23:03:10) jean7491: next meeting ? i am not available on 9/12, JanC, can you lead the meeting or we change the date to 8/12 or 10/12 ?
(23:03:49) t00r_ [n=t00r@unaffiliated/t00r] a rejoint le salon.
(23:04:48) mongolito404: I'll go to bed. goodnight all.
(23:05:03) XiaoShiZi: goodnight mongolito404
(23:05:09) mongolito404: And thanks for the good worl at Dipros and other events.
(23:05:18) mongolito404: s/worl/work
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(23:05:58) jean7491: bye mongolito404
(23:06:39) jean7491: JanC : about next meeting ?
(23:08:26) jean7491: JanC, are you there for the next meeting ?
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(23:20:58) jean7491: JanC, are you there to lead the next meeting on 9/12 ?
(23:23:02) jean7491: no answer, end of the meeting, the date of the next meeting will be posted in the mailing list, thanks to all