(13:55:41) Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at
#ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday
2009-12-16 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
for agenda and more information
 (21:00:43) jean7491: hi to all ! who is here for the meeting ?
(21:00:55) XiaoShiZi: +1
(21:01:00) LarsB: +11111
(21:01:06) LarsB: ow oeps xD
(21:01:41) Rayvr [n=baxio@62.235.164.25] a rejoint le salon.
(21:01:57) Rayvr:  :) 
(21:02:42) jean7491: hello XiaoShiZi LarsB Rayvr  ;-) 
(21:03:16) Rayvr: Well, I am the mexican guy who recently got in the list  :) 
(21:03:54) jean7491: :-Dagain welcome, here in the irc meeting  :-D 
(21:04:47) Rayvr: Nederlands? Francais? English? (Spanish? ) :P
(21:04:57) jean7491: Gh0sty, hfsdo, JanC, mongolito404 ?
(21:05:17) Gh0sty: fysiek aanwezig :P
(21:05:19) jean7491: english first !
(21:05:24) LarsB: we talk in english in the chat xD
(21:06:08) jean7491: hello Gh0sty
(21:06:23) jean7491: hfsdo, JanC, mongolito404 ?
(21:08:48) jean7491: agenda of the meeting is in
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
(21:11:00) jean7491: Rayvr : main goal of the irc meeting is the coordination of
the events we organize or we are taking part in
(21:11:42) Lars`NB [n=LarsB@d51A48C0F.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:11:49) Rayvr: I've got some experience  :)  I've been participating in a lot
of IRC meetings in the last 4 yrs
(21:12:07) Rayvr: I'm taking a look at Suggested Topics
(21:12:48) LarsB: isn't nero here for mechelen?
(21:12:54) jean7491: suggested topics : it is well outdated
(21:13:18) jean7491: for now nobody from dipro mechelen
(21:13:37) jean74911 a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving.")
(21:14:28) jean7491: let's start, hoping other people will join
(21:14:38) jean7491: topic 1 - past and future events
(21:14:56) jean7491: first item : dipro fair mechelen 13/12 - report
(21:15:31) jean7491: as far as i know (from jurgen), dipro mechelen was
successful, the 3 to 4 volunteers were very busy.
(21:17:16) jean7491: Rayvr : dipro are computer fairs and we organize an
information- booth :http://www.dipro.be/benl/micro_mega_market
(21:17:59) jean7491: last one was
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Mechelen_2009-12-13
(21:18:54) jean7491: hopefully we receive later more details from theparticipants
(21:20:48) jean7491: next item - meeting digipolis (digipolis.be) 14/12 in ghent - report
(21:21:28) jean7491: kenneth was present : it was a good meeting, with a lot of
questions. but interest for ubuntu and foss doesn't mean they will use it.
(21:22:15) jean7491: i think JanC was present at this meeting ... JanC ?
(21:24:50) jean7491: no reaction from JanC. imho, it is important to be present
everywhere it is possible to promote ubuntu. this meeting was a good opportunity.
(21:26:13) jean7491: to conclude the "past events" ...
(21:27:13) jean7491: to conclude the program 2009 : ubuntu-be has been very
active and was present with booths in (at least) 16 dipro computer fairs, in 1
big fair in ghent (accenta 2009) and for the software freedom day in brussels.
(21:27:54) jean7491: i think it as a success as the booths were mainly manned
with local volunteers and a lot of newcomers.
(21:28:23) jean7491: comments about past events or program 2009 ?
(21:29:25) jean7491: no comment ?
 (21:34:39) Gh0sty: 21:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Enissay_, jean7491
(21:35:07) Gh0sty: can you repeat plz? :p
(21:35:47) jean7491: what was my last message you received ?
(21:36:10) Gh0sty: 21:20 < jean7491> next item - meeting digipolis
(digipolis.be) 14/12 in ghent - report
(21:36:19) jean7491: ok
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(21:36:41) jean7491: kenneth was present : it was a good meeting, with a lot of
questions. but interest for ubuntu and foss doesn't mean they will use it.
(21:37:06) jean7491: i think JanC was present at this meeting ... JanC ?
(21:37:10) Gh0sty: you have an idea what the public was like ?: /
(21:37:33) jean7491: no
(21:38:01) jean7491: waiting for details, but imho it is important to be present
everywhere it is possible to promote ubuntu. this meeting was a good
opportunity.
(21:38:34) Gh0sty: wanted to go but couldnt  :( 
(21:38:51) jean7491:  :-( 
(21:38:56) XiaoShiZi: so was I  :-( 
(21:39:32) jean7491: the year is almost at the end ! to conclude the program
2009 : ubuntu-be has been very active and was present with booths in (at least)
16 dipro computer fairs, in 1 big fair in ghent (accenta 2009) and for the
software freedom day in brussels.
(21:40:02) jean7491: i think it as a success as the booths were mainly manned
with local volunteers and a lot of newcomers.
(21:41:05) jean7491: comments about past events or program 2009 ?
(21:41:09) JanC: Kenneth was at the meeting with Digipolis, and their
Windows-laptop was broken, so everybody had to do presentations from an Ubuntu
live-CD, in other words: it was a good demo  :-P 
(21:41:21) Gh0sty: :D
(21:41:30) XiaoShiZi: GREAT
(21:41:37) Gh0sty: should think of that
(21:41:47) Gh0sty: take a magnet with you in every presentation  ;) 
(21:42:02) Gh0sty: *oops* the hdd is broken, luckily i have my livecd! :P
(21:42:29) LarsB: has to be a pretty strong magnet xD
(21:42:34) Rayvr: xD
(21:42:39) JanC: we were also @ FOSDEM in 2009
(21:42:55) XiaoShiZi: what's FOSDEM?
(21:43:01) JanC: fosdem.org
(21:43:13) JanC: open source developer conference in Brussels
(21:43:26) jean7491: but no report in the wiki, nor mailing list
(21:43:31) JanC: probably one of the biggest in the world  ;) 
(21:43:37) Rayvr: thats right
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(21:45:01) jean7491: other comments about past events or program 2009 ?
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(21:45:48) Gh0sty: none that i can think of
(21:45:59) JanC: we'll need to go up for reapproval of ubuntu-be as an
officially approved locoteam soon, so we need to check the wiki & update/add
reports for everything we did during the last 2-3 years
(21:46:13) JanC: and make a summary
(21:46:33) JanC: jean7491: we also were at some release parties
(21:47:14) jean7491: 1 in ghent for 9.04 with mike
(21:47:52) JanC: I was also in Brussels for 9.04 to help with the release party
that IndyMedia organised
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(21:48:48) JanC: I guess other people were also present at some other release
parties
(21:49:49) jean7491: but if no report in the wiki/mailing list, it is soon
forgotten ! the problem of reapproval is another reason to write reports
(21:50:44) jean7491: but only participants can write reports in the wiki
(21:51:23) JanC: hm, maybe we should make monthly reports on the wiki like many
other teams do...
(21:51:45) Enissay_: why do ppl use english in a belgian channel??!!
(21:51:49) Enissay_ est désormais connu sous le nom de Enissay
(21:52:12) JanC: Enissay: because speaking a mix of Dutch, French & German at
the same time is confusing  ;) 
(21:52:39) Enissay: lol
(21:53:05) Rayvr: inderdaad
(21:53:23) Enissay: especially when ppl -like me- speaks only one of these
languages :P
(21:53:42) Enissay: weird country huh
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(21:53:46) jean7491: i don't see why a monthly report? we already write de facto
weekly reports through the irc meeting report
(21:54:15) LarsB: report of dipro Genk will be on the wiki by end of this
weekend I hope
(21:54:24) LarsB: got my last exam on friday
(21:54:33) jean7491:  ;-) 
(21:55:58) jean7491: additionally i'm still waiting dipro reports a'pen and
mechelen : wait and see !
(21:56:31) jean7491: if no other comment, i suggest the next item : Program 2010
(21:56:33) JanC: is one reason for monthly reports: we can mention the fair
happened without a detailed report
(21:57:33) JanC: anyway 2010
(21:57:38) jean7491: all informations are already in the wiki (summary of the
fairs)
(21:57:53) JanC: most info, yes
(21:58:03) jean7491: the 3 next dipro fairs are in hasselt (24/1), ghent (31/1)
and kortrijk (7/2)
(21:58:15) jean7491: feel free to add your name as volunteer in the wiki
(21:58:20) JanC: normally I can help for Ghent
(21:58:32) jean7491: for hasselt (24/1), the team is nearly complete
(21:58:34) JanC: but not for Kortrijk (FOSDEM!)
(21:58:57) XiaoShiZi: not all events are marked on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/FutureEvents
(21:59:07) Rayvr: I would like to participate in Hasselt (closest to me) but I think I'll have to take a look first
(21:59:33) jean7491: for ghent, kenneth will lead the team, we will start to call volunteers in january, Gh0sty? hfsdo?
(21:59:56) JanC: XiaoShiZi: "This page is deprecated"
(22:00:07) JanC: see the calendar
(22:00:20) jean7491:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Hasselt_2010-01-24
(22:00:28) XiaoShiZi: thx
(22:00:31) Gh0sty: perhaps
(22:00:41) LarsB: Koen said he might be at the Hasselt fair too
(22:00:43) Gh0sty: so far the 31'st looks free
(22:01:29) Gh0sty: the weekend after is fosdem however which i will also be helping ...
(22:01:30) JanC: for Kortrijk we'll need people who don't go to FOSDEM
(22:01:36) jean7491: Rayvr : you certainly can join the team and have a first
experience in a "strong" team  ;-) 
(22:02:20) JanC: XiaoShiZi: you can help in Ghent?
(22:02:50) Rayvr: But I am also thinking about language, 5 months speaking dutch
is not enough i think
(22:03:16) XiaoShiZi: I'll hope so. Will add my name when I'm sure. there is
still something planed in first month's of 2010
(22:04:21) JanC: Rayvr: well, you can always burn CDs or such &#9786;
(22:04:34) Rayvr: xD Thats right
(22:04:35) LarsB: lol 28/03 dipro in Genk
(22:04:37) jean7491: LarsB: i'm waiting confirmation from koen - Rayvr: don't be
afraid, with a lot of other volunteers helping you if necessary
(22:04:39) LarsB: on my birthday xD
(22:05:30) JanC: LarsB: good reason to have a birthday cake in the booth then...
:P
(22:05:36) LarsB: xD
(22:05:59) jean7491: 28/03 dipro in Genk: it's for later !
(22:07:31) jean7491: for kortrijk (7/2), we will start to call volunteers injanuary, i will go there
(22:08:42) jean7491: for the program 2010 : another item is the possibility of a release party 10.04lts
(22:08:44) Rayvr: jean7491: I'm not afraid, I think the crowd here is more polite =P, just insecure with the language
(22:08:46) JanC: yanu_: ga jij naar FOSDEM? zoniet zet Dipro Kortrijk 7/2 dan in
je agenda  ;) 
(22:09:37) XiaoShiZi: Rayvr a lot of people here speak english as well so don't be afraid of language issue
(22:09:50) LarsB: JanC, how manny people are going to FOSDEM?
(22:09:54) Rayvr: 1
(22:09:57) XiaoShiZi: +1
(22:10:03) JanC: LarsB: about 5000 ?  ;) 
(22:10:12) LarsB: I mean of us
(22:10:14) LarsB: ubuntu-be
(22:10:20) JanC: no idea
(22:10:24) jean7491: Rayvr : another advantage is that you can use other languages like spanish !
(22:11:46) Rayvr: jean7491 I'll be there any way  :)  I'll offer all my experience
(22:12:20) jean7491: thanks !  ;-) 
(22:12:29) jean7491: release party lucid lynx 10.04lts ? the first question is the will to organize a release party, as there was no reaction to previous irc reports.
(22:12:44) jean7491: comment ?
(22:13:06) LarsB: I want to help organize one
(22:13:12) LarsB: but I have no experience with it
(22:14:35) jean7491: are people from ubuntu-be interested in a rp 10.04lts ?
(22:15:03) LarsB: maybe we can do something together with ubuntu-nl?
(22:15:15) yanu_: hmm, JanC ik heb dipro al in de agenda gezet, is fosdem in hetzelfde weekende?
(22:15:23) JanC: yanu_: yep
(22:15:37) yanu_: damned
(22:15:48) yanu_ est désormais connu sous le nom de yanu
(22:17:38) jean7491: LarsB : if nobody or just a few is interested in such an event, it is not worthy
(22:18:42) JanC: I think enough people want to come, the problem is finding someone with the time & experience for organising it
(22:19:26) jean7491: or we can start with more mail on this topic in the mailing list, hoping for reactions
(22:20:25) Rayvr: I agree
(22:21:08) jean7491: and see in january if reactions ?
(22:21:08) guydup: when should the release party be done?
(22:21:40) jean7491: likely mid or late may 2010
(22:21:45) JanC: maybe we can organize something in the National Botanical Gardens in Meise, as they use Ubuntu  ;-) 
(22:22:30) jean7491: after dipro antwerp on 9/5/2010
(22:22:41) LarsB: I dont know htat
(22:22:42) LarsB: that
(22:22:43) LarsB: *
(22:23:12) jean7491: other comment for the release party ?
(22:24:09) JanC: http://www.br.fgov.be/
(22:24:16) jean7491: if no comment : topic 2 - Promotion material
(22:24:28) JanC: they are on this list:
http://www.workswithu.com/the-works-with-u-1000/works-with-u-1000-m-0/
(22:25:45) LarsB: I can't wait that long, need to get up early, study for my exams
(22:26:09) JanC: LarsB: no problem, studying is more important now &#9786;
(22:26:23) LarsB: I read the log on my netbook tomorrow
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(22:30:20) jean7491: before to look at the location, we need to know if we orgaize it !
(22:30:41) jean7491: organize it
(22:31:40) jean7491:  >:o 
(22:31:55) JanC: of course, and that location might be a bit expensive anyway  ;) 
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(22:34:20) JanC: yay, netsplit fixed
(22:34:33) jean74911: for the rp (yes or not), we will see later in january
(22:34:57) JanC: okay
(22:35:23) jean7491: other comment for the release party ?
(22:36:01) jean7491: if not, topic 2 - Promotion material
(22:36:25) jean7491: at each dipro computer fair, we distribute ± 50
self-burned cd's ...
(22:36:43) jean7491: the cheapest price for blanco cd's is 12 euro in dipro
fair, but we have to burn the cd's ...
(22:37:25) Rayvr: how many cds?
(22:37:27) jean7491: question : is it cheaper to order somewhere (not shipit) 2
to 500 cd's burned with ubuntu 9,10 ?
(22:37:43) jean7491: 50 cd's
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(22:38:32) JanC: 12 euro = 6 euro for the CDs, 4 euro auvibel ("copyright tax"),
2 euro sales tax (BTW)...
(22:38:50) JanC: :P
(22:41:08) JanC: and I doubt we can get them really much cheaper when burned,
unless somebody knows better?
(22:45:21) jean7491: it means we should do it by ourself starting with 200 cd's
(4x50 = ± 50 euros)
(22:45:49) jean7491: + cd sleeves (self printed)
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(22:47:05) XiaoShiZi: just googled and found this site http://www.copymedia.nl/
maybe an idea?
(22:47:55) jean7491: tx
(22:48:06) nero_ [n=nero@62.235.142.213] a rejoint le salon.
(22:48:33) nero_: Hi guys, I just came home
(22:48:50) Rayvr: HI
(22:49:18) jean7491: hi nero_
(22:49:42) nero_: Any comments regarding Mechelen?
(22:50:33) jean7491: as far as i know from jurgen, dipro mechelen was
successful, the 3 to 4 volunteers were very busy. your comment?
(22:50:47) nero_: I'll read the chat log if available
(22:51:15) jean7491: your comment about dipro mechelen ?
(22:51:57) JanC: XiaoShiZi: that's 30 euro for 50 CDs + transport costs from the
Netherlands...
(22:52:00) nero_: Just a pity that I did not got the internet gateway working in
time
(22:52:37) XiaoShiZi: indeed more expensive than burn ourself
(22:52:37) nero_: But we were very busy during the whole fair
(22:54:05) jean7491: cd : by canonical 200 cd's for 158 euro (but tax ?)
(22:54:09) nero_: I think that Jurgen already stated that a long power cord &
power outlets should be taken
(22:54:26) jean7491: idd
(22:55:12) JanC: jean7491: tax is + 17%
(22:55:36) jean7491: nero_ : lesson learned : use de wiki as check-list
(22:56:12) nero_: We'll do
(22:56:24) jean7491:  ;-) 
(22:56:27) JanC: well, probably someone sold long power cords on the fair?  ;) 
(22:57:03) jean7491: but with good neightbours !
(22:58:07) JanC: actually, 15% taxes from Canonical from the UK
(22:58:26) JanC: yeah, good neighbours helps too
(22:58:37) jean7491: conclusion for cd's: cheapest (and more flexible) is do it
yourself with cd's from dipro
(22:58:47) JanC: 200 CDs = 182.10 € from Canonical
(22:59:15) JanC: jean7491: CDs from Dipro or some other shop that has cheap
CD-Rs
(23:02:02) jean7491: other suggestions ?
(23:02:46) jean7491: other suggestions about promotion material ?
(23:04:00) jean7491: topic 3 - Support points map status ? mongolito404?
(23:04:37) mongolito404: you just catch me as i come to switch my computer
off...
(23:04:48) mongolito404: nothing new for the map, I hadn't the time to work on
it.
(23:04:50) Gh0sty: just in time then ^^
(23:05:52) Rayvr: support points means users who are able to help someone who
wants to get ubuntu??
(23:06:30) mongolito404: Rayvr: Yes
(23:06:47) mongolito404: Lie currently running at map.ubuntu-be.org
(23:06:55) mongolito404: Like not Lie
(23:07:45) Rayvr: then i would like to be in that map
(23:07:50) mongolito404: Except that the code at map.ubuntu-be.org is
unmaintained. I'm rewriting it as a Drupal module
(23:07:57) Rayvr: excelent
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(23:08:34) mongolito404: Rayvr: You can still register at map.ubuntu-be.org if
you like
(23:08:58) Rayvr: mongolito404 I'm doing that already  :) 
(23:10:15) mongolito404: Sorry for the lack of progress this week.
(23:10:48) mongolito404: Good night all
(23:10:55) jean7491: no problem !  ;-) 
(23:11:09) Rayvr: daag
(23:11:14) mongolito404: And thank you for the good work at fairs
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(23:11:30) jean7491: other general questions ?
(23:12:20) jean7491: if no question, last topic - next meeting ? next year,
proposed irc meeting on 06/01/2010 at 21 h.
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(23:13:49) Rayvr: ok
(23:14:39) jean7491: JanC ?
(23:14:48) JanC: okay for me
(23:14:54) nero_: ok
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(23:16:55) jean7491: Good night all, thanks for your participation !