* Topic #ubuntu-be : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2010-02-10 at 21h (UTC+1), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
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<jean7491> Hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
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<XiaoShiZi> Hi jean7491
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<wamukota> hello jean7491
<JanC> o/
<pvandewyngaerde> hi
<nero_> check
<jean7491> hello XiaoShiZi, wamukota, JanC, pvandewijngaerde, nero_
<jean7491> yanu ? siegie ? mimor ? Gh0sty ?
<mimor> jup :)
<Gh0sty> @ work but ok
<Gh0sty> with 1 eye :p
<mimor> :)
<jean7491> hi mimor, Gh0sty (1/2)
<mimor> lo
<jean7491> i suggest we start with topic 1 – past and future events
<mimor> sounds like pure logic ;)
<jean7491> dipro kortrijk 07/02- report
<jean7491> report and pictures are already in the wiki
<jean7491> although only 3 volunteers, everything was ok: thanks an initial stock of 50 home-burned cd's, we have not wasted our time with copying cd's and we were always available for the visitors
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<jean7491> comment yanu or wamukota ?
<wamukota> no additional comment. report in the wiki was ok
<jean7491> just 1 remark : ubuntu-be should buy a stock of blanco cd's. the promotion kit for teams organizing booths should include 50 blanco cd's, posters and flyers
<jean7491> next ...
<jean7491> next item : Fosdem 2010 : JanC ? : something to report ?
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<wamukota> how many CD on a yearly base do we need. If we buy 500 CD at once they are even cheaper
<JanC> did anybody know how much CD-Rs cost us ?  (CD-R + jacket + pinting cost + burning cost?)
<JanC> does *
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* mimor_fosdem feels obsolete now that FOSDEM 2010 is history
<mimor_fosdem> so bye
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<jean7491> cd-r 100 for 21 euro, 100 cd sleeves for 2 euro, cost burning and printing cd sleeves ? 
<jean7491> prices from the last dipro
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<JanC> so probably somewhere 0.25-0.35 € / CD ?
<jean7491> probably
<JanC> hm, Canonical shop is 0.93 € / CD
<JanC> and pressing our own around 0.50 € somewhere ?
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<wamukota> you mean burning or pressing
<mimor> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/purchase/europe
<JanC> pressing
<mimor> we should be able to buy them from http://www.linux-service.be/ :D
<JanC> mimor: he pays the same price as we do...
<mimor> isn't there a company in belgium that burns cd's en mass
<JanC> most of the companies that do pressed CDs do
<JanC> but don't forget they have to ask money for their time  ☺
<mimor> I know
<mimor> http://www.kopieer-cd.be
<JanC> e.g. the company that bbartek used for hardy does
<mimor> we can ask for prices...
<mimor> doesn't hurt I guess?
<jean7491> i suggest we come back later on this problem in the topic promotion material, and now let's speak about fosdem report
<mimor> fosdem was... sweet!
<mimor> the tux-droids got a lot of attention
<mimor> as well did the little arm test plate
<jean7491> who will write a report in the wiki (for people who was not in fosdem) ?
<mimor> ><
<mimor> eh...
<mimor> I don't feel like it
<mimor> but if no one else wants to....
<JanC> I still need to make inventory, but if somebody wants to start feel free  ☺
<mimor> just let me spend my last 2 days with my GF.. then she leaves forever and I have time
<mimor> ;)
<JanC> eh
<JanC> if nobody starts, I'll do it after inventory is done...
<jean7491> ok, i cann't start it ! use the wiki page to add notes for the report and links for pics (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/2010)
<mimor> that's the general ubuntu.com wiki
<mimor> wouldn't it be better to create an ubuntu-be wiki page for it?
<mimor> (we can add a link to the report on the general page)
<JanC> yeah, better put it on the BelgianTeam pages
<jean7491> just rename the page as BelgianTeam/Fosdem2010 ? 
<JanC> no, there are lots of links to that wiki page!
<guydup> is here someone who is involved with 28 ste Hobby en Computerdagen in Antwerp Expo
<JanC> guydup: yes, I guess that will be next topic
<guydup> ok
<jean7491> JanC, up to you for the fosdem page (report and pics)
<jean7491> other comments for fosdem ?
<mimor> yes
<JanC> BTW: we got some nice help from people from ubuntu-nl ("ertai") & ubuntu-ie (Laura Czajkowski) at the booth
<mimor> next year we'll be there again
<JanC> mimor: of course  ☺
<mimor> but if possible I would like to review the stuff we sold
<mimor> like the 'stock' and what sold verry well and what did less
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<mimor> like next time, if possible, more mugs and more black t'shirts
<mimor> (and less kubuntu stuff) ;)
<jean7491> it something you can discuss with jan for the report, including lessons learned for next year
<mimor> ok
<mimor> next toppic?
<jean7491> next item : antwerp, hobby & computerdagen (20/02/2010 – 21/02/2010)
<jean7491> in cooperation with hcc regio vlaanderen
<jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2010-02-20_21
<jean7491> we still need additional volunteers for sunday 21/02 
<jean7491> for 20/02, the team is ok
<nero_> at least one extra for sunday
<JanC> for those who don't know: nero_ is our "HCC contact"  ☺
<jean7491> i don't know if jurgen will come ?
<JanC> at FOSDEM nero_ said he won't
<JanC> is that still true?
<nero_> I didn't see Jurgen on the last HCC meeting
<nero_> I'll send him a mail to ask
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<jean7491> i'll send again mails to my contacts in a'pen : let's hope !
<jean7491> guydup : question about a'pen ?
<guydup> i need to know exact hour for delivering and pickup of the multiseat computer
<jean7491> nero_ ?
<guydup> is there a parking ticket needed and a phone number from the contact
<nero_> I'll be there Saturday from 08:30 ~ 09:00 to prepare the stand
<guydup> i will only deliver on saterday and pickup on sunday
<JanC> nero_: also, did you think about something to sit on for the people working on the multiseat?
<nero_> I can get some chairs
<jean7491> guydup : how many chairs needed ?
<guydup> send this info to my e-mail: guy@linux-service.be
<guydup> six
<nero_> there is a parking just behind the fair
<JanC> or 2 benches
<guydup> and is it freely accessable on sunday for pickup?
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<nero_> after 05:00 PM (closing) of the fair)
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<guydup> ok,let me know on mail
<guydup> have to leave now
<jean7491> bye guydup
<JanC> and thanks for the multiseat at FOSDEM & H&C days  ☺
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<nero_> I'll send you the details
<jean7491> nero_ : do you have something else to add ?
<nero_> any idea how many cd's we should prepare?
<JanC> certainly 100+ for 2 days
<mimor> Ok, I'm going to leave too
<JanC> maybe 200+
<jean7491> for a normal dipro fair, i think 50, ... do you need flyers and posters ? home-printed cd sleeves ?
<mimor> something else you need me for?
<jean7491> free on 21/02 for a'pen ?
<nero_> I can print flyers in advance, is 200 enough?
<JanC> I have posters (enough) & flyers (have to check how many)
<mimor> jean7491, I'm not going to go to A'pen
<JanC> nero_: there are colour flyers
<nero_> the printer does not accept sleeves :(
<mimor> sorry :s
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<JanC> but maybe printing a bunch of the "how to install"-flyers might be useful
<JanC> sec, I'm going to check how many colour flyers I have left
<nero_> I ment the "using live cd-rom" flyers
<mimor> K. If I've got a remark on something.. I'll just reply tot the report then ;)
<mimor> see you all!
<jean7491> on my hp5440, i print cd sleeve once a time, model is in the wiki (ink-friendly)
<JanC> nero_: do you have colour flyers ?
<nero_> Yes
<JanC> ah, okay, then I'll keep mine for dipro Bruges
<jean7491> nero_ : my actual stock : 30 home printed cd sleeves + 100 blanco (paper) 
<jean7491> other question for a'pen ?
<nero_> JanC: do you come on Saturday with the promo material?
<JanC> yes, I'll come on Saturday, but not Sunday
<JanC> that way I can bring whatever is still needed
<jean7491> nero_ "with the promo material?" which one ?
<nero_> I'll probably can't make it to Bruges/Ostend this weekend
<nero_> if you could bring the sleeves from Jean7491
<nero_> shirts, mugs, caps, ... whatever is available for selling
<nero_> tux flyers if there are some
<JanC> no more mugs unfortunately, and mostly kubuntu t-shirts, unless we buy more...
<nero_> I can easely print colour A4 stuff needed, but no other formats
<JanC> well, we have ubuntu t-shirts, but not in all sizes I think
<jean7491> nero_ : tux flyers (for kids) : you can ask it to guydup 
<nero_> we should at least have t-shirts for the boot people
<JanC> I stil have some tux flyers, and normally he will include them with the multiseat
<JanC> (they are multiseat flyers after all)
<JanC> nero_: I have 2 or 3 t-shirts for booth people + 1 or 2 caps IIRC
<nero_> should be enough if the size fits :)
<JanC> plus I'll wear one of my own, and Ward will bring the one he wore at FOSDEM
<JanC> 1 M + 2 L t-shirts + 1 cap
<jean7491> nero_ : you can print badges "be loco team" : to be printed on 160 gr paper, and eventually plastified  with adhesive plastic sheet
<nero_> I have 4 such badged on a lanyard
<jean7491> ok
<jean7491> other question for antwerp ?
<nero_> not for now
<JanC> nero_: will we have some wall or something to hang things on?
<nero_> we have our booth on a side wall
<nero_> I'l see with Willem from HCC wat's behind us
<jean7491> ok, next item ? dipro brugge 28/02
<jean7491> for now, only 2 volunteers in the team (wiki) : we need additional volunteers
<pvandewyngaerde1> this is a small fair
<jean7491> (yes pieter) and i'm still trying to get new people involved
<jean7491> preparation : see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Brugge_2010-02-28
<jean7491> hopely more next week
<jean7491> next item : dipro charleroi 07/03 - no comment from my side
<jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Charleroi_2010-03-07
<jean7491> i suppose no other comment
<jean7491> next item the digital week 6-12/03
<jean7491> as an esample of local initiative : on 11/02 ubuntu-be will be present in ostend with a booth (forum-room bibliotheek Kris Lambert), 2 links ...
<JanC> Brugge might be larger (more visitors) than last time because there is no fair in Ostend
<jean7491> http://zandletters.be/spip.php?article150, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/DigitalWeek-Ostend_2010-03-11
<jean7491> additional volunteers will be welcome, but i've no idea about the potential public (likely limited)
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<JanC> ah, they will have a tuxpaint talk too
<jean7491> yes, but i've ta ask who is doing that
<jean7491> to ask ...
<JanC> maybe they can tell the people at the tuxpaint talk that tuxpaint is open source like Ubuntu, so if free paint program is cool --> free OS might be too  ☺
<jean7491> yes
<jean7491> this is a local initiative, we will come back later on this in topic 4
<jean7491> i suggest we continue with topic 2 Promotion material
<jean7491> Comment about the proposal to burn CD's for Ubuntu-be ? See last week reports (in the wiki)
<jean7491> on 5/2 steven leeman wrote some details about hardy heron cd's, link to http://www.kopieer-cd.be/prijzen/cd-produceren-prijsklasse.jsp and the fact that no sponsor logo was used, only url's.
<JanC> I think the sponsors were only on the posters & flyers for the release party
<JanC> because part of the CDs were used in .nl also
<jean7491> and url's on the cd's
<JanC> BTW: Guy said he wants to buy at least 200 CDs if we press our own
<JanC> (now he has to buy them at the Canonical shop)
<JanC> and MarkVDB also said he wants to buy or pay for some
<XiaoShiZi> http://www.cdpress.lu/fr/contact/ adress in Luxembourgh (as cd-r are already much cheaper than in Belhium...) maybe they burn them cheaper to.
<JanC> not burning, pressing
<XiaoShiZi> indeed JanC pressing sorry ;-)
<JanC> most companies that offer CD pressing services don't do that themselves BTW
<JanC> they outsource it to a small number of real CD-pressing plants
<JanC> I think there is one in .nl and a couple in .de as I know, probablky a couple in .fr too,n but I know of no CD pressing plant in .be
<XiaoShiZi> Disco-Press Belgium
<XiaoShiZi> http://www.crimson-ceremony.net/pr3/pressingplants/index_cd.html
<XiaoShiZi> and 2 others
<JanC> if they all still exist
<jean7491> as we can not solve all problems, we should ask a dedicated team to investigate the possibilities and to make concrete proposals
<jean7491> Is someone volunteers to lead the team ?
<JanC> I'm sure bbartek wants to help with that, not sure if he wants to lead it again?
<jean7491> probably
<bbartek> JanC, plop :-)
<jean7491> we can discuss in group to define the need what, how many, ..., but we need a small group gathering and investigating informations ...
<JanC> bbartek: 't gaat weer over CDs persen  ☺
<bbartek> I can still do some work like driving to germany to deliver de master cd or something like that but I do not have the time to lead a project
<bbartek> ja ik zag 't net
<bbartek> ben net hier
<bbartek> So if you need me to do some work for the cd's I'm voluteering
<JanC> okay, so we need another "team lead"  ☺
<JanC> anybody volunteering?
<jean7491> i will add in the report we need a team leader for this project, and we will see !
<jean7491> if someone eventually react ?
<jean7491> other comment on this project ?
<jean7491> Next topic 3 - support points map status
<JanC> well, I think it might be slightly more expensive than burning CD-Rs, but looks better, and saves a lot of time?
<JanC> Pierre isn't here, so no support points map update?
<jean7491> i have no new information , other comment 
<jean7491> JanC a last word about cd : burning cd's is only an easy way (but it takes time) , waiting for progress in the project "cd in mass"
<jean7491> i suggest topic 4 – things living in the mailing list  (at least 2 items)
<jean7491> first item :  as already mentioned last week,  we should find new ways/events to promote ubuntu: all suggestions are welcome! 
<jean7491> Wamukota suggested ubuntu-be participation in all kind of open doors organized by schools : we can extend this suggestion to all kind of hobby fairs locally organized by associations or cities
<jean7491> the participation to the digital week in ostend is an example 
<jean7491> local initiative is the cornerstone of success : everybody can look for contact and propose activities
<JanC> wamukota is also going to do something IIRC
<jean7491> indeed in brugge 18/03
<jean7491> we should see more initiatives like that
<jean7491> comments, suggestions or proposals ?
<jean7491> no reaction ? next item ?
<jean7491> 2d item (and after that there is a 3d one) about the procedure for re-approval-application : the loco council meeting about the re-approval of our loco team is planned on 16/02 at 21.00 hr.
<jean7491> all members of the loco team are invited to take part to the meeting on irc #ubuntu-meeting
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<jean7491> the draft is available in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010-Draft, it can be amended till 12/02
<jean7491> JanC : how many people subscribed to the mailing list ?
<JanC> let me check...
<JanC> 393
<jean7491> ok
<JanC> added that to the wiki
<jean7491> i already asked mongolito404 to add a contribution,     other comment ?
<jean7491> 3d item : Suggestion of a monthly report (JanC) : was supposed to be discuss during fosdem – any progress or comment ?
<JanC> not really discussed
<JanC> it was way too busy most of the time  ☺
<jean7491> so nothing new, for next meeting ?
<jean7491> other question not in the agenda ?
<JanC> yeah, I suppose
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<jean7491> if nothing else to be discussed, my last topic is : next meeting on 17/02/2010 at 21 h. 
<JanC> well, and 16/2 of course  ;-)
<jean7491> of course, i don't now if you reviewed the draft or if you have something to add ?
<JanC> I read through it already, and will add some things
<JanC> normally approval & reapproval are done before any other topics, so I think our reapproval might be directly at 21h
<JanC> immediately I mean
<JanC> well, maybe 21:15 to allow for people arriving late etc.  ;-)
<jean7491> ok, are there usually questions about the application or other topic ?
<jean7491> i'll validate the draft (change the name) on sunday evening
<JanC> jean7491: ping me when you do & I'll add the link to the agenda
<JanC> (or do it yourself)
<JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda --> where I put "(soon)" now
<jean7491> ok, i'll see  
<jean7491> end of the meeting, thanks to all for your participation, see you next week (17/02), but don't forget the reapproval meeting on 16/02, have a good night !