IRC meeting 23/09/2010 - log
<jean7491> Hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
<massimo21> me
* siegie (~siegie@sin.khk.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
<ILUsion> here for the meeting
<gadeynebram> me to
<Clamam> me to but with just 1 eye
<siegie> the same here, 1 eye :)
<gadeynebram> awtch :o what happened with everyone's eyes :o
<jean7491> hello massimo21 , Clamam , gadeynebram , siegie , ILUsion 
<ILUsion> hello jean7491
<Clamam> Jean7491 : i am not going to participate to the entire meeting, but massimo21 knows de details about the upcoming fair.
<jean7491> ok, anything about facebook ?
<jean7491> JanC ?
<Clamam> no, no reaction of the owner of the page
<jean7491> ok
* Clamam est parti (Quit: Leaving.)
<jean7491> warddr told me he'll join later when at home, for topic t-shirts, ...
<jean7491> we'll start at 21.15 hr. JanC ? yanu ?
<JanC> I'm around
<jean7491> ok
<jean7491> topic #1. past and future events -  September 2010 - update
<jean7491> first item, Software Freedom Day (18/9) - report
<jean7491> organized in cooperation with zandletters.be: thanks help JanC, frank ensamuel, everything went smoothly, about 50 interested people, a lot of questions, mainly about FOSS and Ubuntu
<jean7491> see report and pictures in  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/SoftwareFreedomDay2010   
<jean7491> i contnue contacts with zandletters, planning other activities in the future, like digital week 2011
<jean7491> everyone can start thinking about contacts and proposals for the digital week 26/02-05/03/2011
<jean7491>  second item,  Dipro Charleroi (19/09) afaik, everything went good, with help of 2 local lug's
<gadeynebram> I have a question about those dipro's
<gadeynebram> I don't meen to offent someone with this
<gadeynebram> but I've noticed it's a relatively older public (from the photo's from SoftwareFreedomDay). Is this always like this?
<siegie> gadeynebram: softwarefreedomday is something else then dipro fairs
<jean7491> sfd2010 is not a dipro activity, public was more in relation with bib.
<jean7491> and cooperation with another organization (no fee for the place)
<siegie> At fairs you have all kind of people (all ages).
<gadeynebram> okey ;)
<gadeynebram> apart from the ubuntu-mailing list I've never heard about them. Even though there has been one at Ghent
<jean7491> but idd, for the activity i asked contacts in ostend for help towards jong people, but no help received
<gadeynebram> Well we will attract some young people on our lanparty ;-)
<jean7491> for jong public, problem is to find how to reach ? i've no tip on this issue
<siegie> gadeynebram: lanparty is more games related i think?
<jean7491> btw, perhaps you can think about future in your location ! ...
<gadeynebram> btw, perhaps you can think about future in your location ! ...?
<gadeynebram> lanparty is indeed more games related but it's a way of getting ubuntu on some people's desktop or laptop and getting them to know ubuntu like that
<jean7491> and if you have expertise about gaming, you could perhpas help me for start digital week 2011, more in apart email
<gadeynebram> That's allright for me ;)
<jean7491> think about future in your location : i mean contact about something in for example digital week 2011 or something else, sfd2011? ...
<jean7491> we continue with niel ...
<jean7491> item #3  Nielse computer dag (26/9) in cooperation with local computerclub monitor …
<jean7491> team with nero as coordinator and 3 volunteers is ready  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Niel_2010-09-26
<jean7491> ILUsion did you had contact with nero ?
<ILUsion> had no contact with nero
<ILUsion> was a bit busy last few weeks
<jean7491> i remember him yesterday to coordinate with you and other participants
<jean7491> i think i sent you his address
<jean7491> mail him with questions about details !
<ILUsion> will do
<JanC> nero got CDs from me
<jean7491> ok
<jean7491>  next item #4  Dipro Hasselt (26/09)
<jean7491> team  is ready - Clamam or massimo21 ?
<massimo21> everything is ready
<jean7491> thanks for the answer !
<jean7491> item #5 Dipro Kortrijk (10/10)
<massimo21> we had a meeting yesterday but nobody showed up
<jean7491> don't worry, if everything is ready !
<massimo21> :-)
<jean7491> Dipro Kortrijk (10/10) - to compose the team, volunteers, please add your namesin the wikito compose the team, volunteers, please add your namesin the wiki
<jean7491> hoping a few people from kortrijk area ! yanu ?
<jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Kortrijk_2010-10-10
<jean7491>  item #6 Dipro Brugge (17/10)
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<jean7491> ?
<jean7491> idem - to compose the team, volunteers, please add your names in the wiki
<jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Brugge_2010-10-17
<jean7491> other comment for events?
* jean7491bis (~jean74911@109.236.140.10) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
<jean7491> if no comment, next topic # 2. Promotion
<jean7491> first item Adding  links to the website 
<siegie> I still have some posters and flyers here. Isn't it a idea to make a wiki page where there's available material?
<jean7491> yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial
<siegie> okey thanks i'll add mine
<jean7491> the list exists, just see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam about material, for who needs material
<jean7491> additionally there is a lot of material in events-box a'pen, ghent, hasselt and mechelen, but i've no detail
<jean7491> back to first item adding  links to the website ...
<jean7491>  we already discussed the topic, see draft in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Commercial_links-draft …
<jean7491>   before to launch the project and contacting companies, we are still waiting for  a central point of contact for this matter (contact@ubuntu-be.org), ...
<jean7491> JanC : is it ok ?
<JanC> it should be okay in a couple of days, maybe works already now, depending on what DNS server you use etc.
<jean7491> will you received mail to contact@ubuntu-be.org ? i sent test-mails
<JanC> currently mail to that address only goes to my mailbox, so feel free to test
<jean7491> but you did noy yet received ?
<jean7491> not yet received my tests
<JanC> it will probably take 15 minutes or so (because of greylisting on my server)
<jean7491> my last test was at 17,18 hr
<jean7491> once address ok (and tested), we can start with announcement in the mailing list and looking for interested companies/organizations through personal contacts ...
<jean7491> hopefully in a few days !
<jean7491> no other comment ?
<jean7491> for t-shirts, we wait for warddr ...
<JanC> I can't find contact in the mailserver logs, so probably didn't work  ;)
<jean7491> ok
<jean7491> item 3 ubuntu and facebook ?
<JanC> you use the site often, so the old IP is probably still cached somewhere
<jean7491> what do you mean ?
<jean7491> item 3 ubuntu and facebook ?  we need a team of interested people to ensure a “animated” page about our activities. volunteers can apply to the facebook team: are there here volunteers ?
<massimo21> clamam is working on it
<massimo21> he is negotiating
<jean7491> ok
* gadeynebram est parti (*.net *.split)
<massimo21> to publicate on it is not difficult
<massimo21> one person can report wat happens here on it for example
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<jean7491> i suppose, but to avoid possible problem, we should have contact and agreement with the owner of the page
<massimo21> idd
<massimo21> that is wath clamam is working on
<jean7491> ok, if proplr are interested in this issue, they can apply to our facebook team : task of the team is ubuntu-be internal coordination and animation of the page, when ok with owner ... volunteers ?
<jean7491> if people are interested ...
<gadeynebram> Are there already members in that team?
<jean7491> Clamam is the first
<gadeynebram> I'll join
<jean7491> but due to priority to dipro hasselt, he probably has limited time for faceboo team... welcome in the facebook team !
<gadeynebram> Yes well I'll leave communication with the current owner over to Clamam
<jean7491> idd, ... coordination is priority to be credible
<massimo21> actually he is waiting answer of the owner
<jean7491> has someone contact with steven van landeghem ? (except Clamam)
<gadeynebram> oke
<jean7491> other comment about facebook ?
<gadeynebram> and what about creating a new facebook page? like ubuntu-be.org instead of ubuntu-be
<gadeynebram> Don't know if that is possible ;)
<gadeynebram> facebook is down at the moment
<massimo21> it coud be confusing
<gadeynebram> that's true
<gadeynebram> but I think that the other page is not really active
<gadeynebram> We'll await communication ;)
<jean7491> ok
<jean7491> next item 4. ubuntu and education
<gadeynebram> interesting topic!
<jean7491> as I already wrote : what can we propose to schools ? example “ICTpraktijkdag” in november: we need an “education-team”  with teachers to help the promotion (content and how to?) ...
<massimo21> i have contacted jos nys
<massimo21> teacher
<massimo21> I invited him to be present
<massimo21> i think he does not have time today
<gadeynebram> to irc?
<massimo21> yes irc
<jean7491> only 1 reaction in the m-l ..., but still none to take intiative about a discussion group on the issue ...
<ILUsion> I'm willing to help with the ubuntu-be education-team (not a teacher, but as a student)
<gadeynebram> I'd like to help to... but it's not really possible for me to go to schools etc during the week
<jean7491> irc is not the best place to exchange about this issue, better mail exchanges in a group and later sending ideas in the m-l,   as example
<massimo21> coukd it be possible to do evening lessons?
<jean7491> if there is proposal/initiative and demand, why not ?
<gadeynebram> Yes
<ILUsion> evening classes are a great idea; the only "downside" is that we do not reach the teenage focus group
<jean7491> idd
<gadeynebram> unless the evening lessons take place on friday or saturday
<massimo21> i think is difficult to let someone teach ubuntu during day class
<gadeynebram> To be honest I don't think teanagers will attent to any lessons
<ILUsion> I just think not a lot of teenagers are enthusiastic to attend any extra-curricular lessons: they spend 32 hours in school and that is enough for most of them
<gadeynebram> It has to be a verry short but interesting meet and great with ubuntu and it's wisles and bells
<massimo21> ok
<massimo21> now i understand
<massimo21> that is great
<ILUsion> indeed: we need to captivate their attention, leave them wanting for more and they will practically do the rest :)
<gadeynebram> The live CD or USB stick will do the rest ;)
<gadeynebram> I have installed ubuntu on several young people's ex-XP laptops and now they only change back to play some windows-only games
<gadeynebram> so it has pottential ;)
<jean7491> if you find people demanding to, you could organize local install party ...
<jean7491> or other discover activity
<jean7491> other suggestion about the issue education ?
<gadeynebram> yes
<gadeynebram> I don't know if it exists
<ILUsion> perhaps we could work on content for some kind of introduction session? What features to explore, ...
<gadeynebram> but wouldn't it be good if powerpoint presentations, and tutorials, and FAQ, ... are available on the ubuntu-be website?
<JanC> s/powerpoint/impress or pdf/  ;)
<jean7491> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs par 5, if not enough, we (everybody) can add !
<jean7491> but of course the general presentation is more dipro oriented, and need to be adapted to the audience
<ILUsion> Perhaps we could make those documents more readily available from the site? Because I think the wiki is a little too cluttered to stumble upon
<jean7491> for other events
<gadeynebram> I agree with ILUsion
<JanC> the problem is that it's much easier for everybody to help & add documents on the wiki...
<jean7491> we can ask, for example a link in the website to the wiki page
<gadeynebram> the ubuntu-be.org site is that a joomla/drupal/ ... site?
<JanC> it's drupal
<jean7491> link for people who wish to see what available, ...
<jean7491> to contribute, wiki is easier to use (at least for me)
<ILUsion> @JanC: that's true, but we could also put that par 5 on a separate wiki page and include that page in the main site
<JanC> we could link directly to a page only about such material, yes
<gadeynebram> Drupal is also possible if people get editing priviledges
<JanC> gadeynebram: not only editing privileges, but also upload privileges
<jean7491> this is a good suggestion for my topic # 3. Update Wiki - are there suggestions ?
<JanC> anyway, it can be discussed to add this to drupal...
<gadeynebram> maybe we should discus this when new content is available ;)
<jean7491>  new content ? which one ?
<ILUsion> When 10.10 comes along?
<gadeynebram> and for now maybe a link to the wiki from the drupal site?
<gadeynebram> new content: like extra presentations on other topics then only installing ubuntu...
<JanC> that's in 2,5 weeks  ☺
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<ILUsion> maybe we also need a big link to the wiki from the drupal site (in the left hand side menu)
<JanC> ILUsion: good point
<gadeynebram> Has someone amongst you got any experience with ubuntu in a network environment? Because that could also be interesting for schools or company's
<JanC> maybe we need to do a special meeting for updating the site & wiki?
<ILUsion> JanC: that might be for the best
<jean7491> i noted to do : a wiki page with promotion material with reference in the wiki home page of the be team - can be for another meeting: suggestion when ?
<ILUsion> (not next Thursday for me)
<jean7491> for me, not tuesday, nor w-e
<jean7491> other suggestion ?
* bbartek est parti (Quit: Ik ga weg)
<gadeynebram> just on the next meeting, and suggestions through the mailing list?
<JanC> first of all we need to know what is bad or can be better with the site/wiki, then decide what we will change?
<jean7491> ok, please think about a review of the wiki (structure) and post your ideas in the mailing list
<jean7491> ILUsion you can post your ideas, if you are not at the next meeting thursday
<jean7491> we continue with topic# 4. Support points map status 
<jean7491> map has been replaced by a list of support points which renewed their commitments 
<ILUsion> okay
<jean7491>  not everyone did it, it is easy to do through login on the website, >create content >supporter profile 
<jean7491> mongolito404 is working further on this issue, and btw there was a wrong link in a message he sent to support points for renewal of commitment 
<jean7491> he is still working on the issue
<jean7491> hpefully the problem will be solved as soon as possible !
<jean7491> comment ?
<jean7491> next topic # 5. Things living in the mailing list and others questions ?
<jean7491> For information, newcomer in the belgian local community team last week: sbpir92i (16/09)
<jean7491> no detail about him
* Clamam (~claudio@d54C1F823.access.telenet.be) a quitté #ubuntu-be
<jean7491> we still wait warddr for the t-shirts !
<jean7491> other questions ?
<jean7491> my other question
<jean7491>  Belgian team monthly report : we still need someone taking the lead for monthly reporting 
<jean7491> aim is to inform ubuntu community about our activity -  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting
<jean7491> as we started again activities in september, we have things for a report. any volunteer ?
* JanC has just ordered the maverick CDs for ubuntu-be
<JanC> jean7491: I'll look into making a team report
<jean7491> ok
<jean7491> i come back to the item t-shirts
<jean7491> for design proposals,see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsT-shirts 
<jean7491> I added a new design based on the one presented in ubuntu-nl forum, but respecting the guidelines
<massimo21> i like it
<jean7491> please have a look at the proposed designs
<gadeynebram> is it nr 8?
<jean7491> and give 3 best designs for a preselection
<gadeynebram> v3-be,v6-be,v7-be
<massimo21> v4, v7withe, v8
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<jean7491> for me v2-be, v6-be and v7_white-be
<ILUsion> v4-be, v7-be, v2-be
<JanC> I prefer v4-be, v5-be (but maybe without the "-" before "be") and maybe v1-be or v8
<gadeynebram> I have to go. Goodbye!
<JanC> printing on the sleeve might be expensive
<jean7491> JanC, only 3 !
* gadeynebram (~bram@83.101.71.95) a quitté #ubuntu-be
<JanC> v4-be, v5-be (but maybe without the "-" before "be") and v1-be then  ;)
<jean7491> anyone to vote ?
<JanC> I think it's important that we decide wether sleeve prints are allowed inside our budget first?
<JanC> some people here might want to change their choice...
<jean7491> no idea about price, !
<JanC> they need to print the thing on the sleeves in an extra print run, so I'm pretty sure they ask extra money for it, but wardr should be able to find that out
<jean7491> for now, 3x for v4be, 2x v2, v6be, v7be-black and 2 v7bewhite 
<massimo21> i voted v8
<jean7491> yes v4, v7white and v8
<massimo21> my vote was v4, v7withe, v8
<massimo21> so it is 1up for v8
<jean7491> as ward does not appear, the issue can not be solved, suggestions ?
<massimo21> we waut one more week?
<massimo21> wait
<jean7491> other comment ?
<massimo21> vote also on mailing list?
<ILUsion> does he respond to mail?
<jean7491> at 20.10 he said ik ben nog niet thuis, ik doe mijn best om er te zijn.
<jean7491> imho, we can postpone decision about pre-selection and ask vote (pre-selection in the m-l
<jean7491> if no reaction we wait till next week (for warddr)
<massimo21> ml is ok for me
<jean7491> last topic, next irc meeting ? proposed on thursday 30/09 at 21 h. ?
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<massimo21> ok for me
<ILUsion> I won't be there
<jean7491> is wednesday a better day for you ?
<ILUsion> yes
<ILUsion> but I don't know about the others?
<jean7491> other opinions 29 or 30/09 ?
<massimo21> it is the same for me
<jean7491> JanC ?
<massimo21> i'm going now
<massimo21> bye
* massimo21 (~massimo21@212.87.110.33) a quitté #ubuntu-be
<jean7491> ok you see the next meeting in the report
<jean7491> JanC ? 29 or 30/09 ?
<JanC> it's the same for me
<jean7491> then next meeting 29/09 wednesday, hpi,g warddr will be there !
<jean7491> hoping warddr ...