02/12/2010 – 21,00 hr.
<jean7491> hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
<clamam> hello jean
<massimo21> 1up
<woutervddn> 2up?
<pep`> I'll be eavesdropping too... been a while. :-)
<pep`> Hi all
<massimo21> hi pep
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<clamam> hello, woutervddn, pep, massimo21
<JanC> hey all
<clamam> hello JanC
<jean7491> hello clamam , massimo21 , JanC , pep , woutervddn 
<woutervddn> hey back 2 every1
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<jean7491> anyone else for the meeting ?
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<jean7491> let's start  with topic #1. events ... 
<jean7491> past and future events - november - december – update dipro computer fairs
<jean7491>  item #1 dipro computer fair antwerpen, 28/11/2010, report
<jean7491> event was successful, organization was ok,  a lot of visitors, report will follow in the wiki
<jean7491> no other comment from my side on dipro a'pen
<jean7491>  item #2  dipro computer fair mechelen, 12/12/2010,  ...
<jean7491> coordinator: nero + 3 volunteers, additional volunteers are welcome
<jean7491> sofar i know, no problem with the preparation
<jean7491> no other comment from my side on dipro mechelen
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<jean7491> next year, we start with item #3 dipro computer fair leuven 16/01/2011, …
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<jean7491> we will need a team coordinator (who?) and a few additional volunteers (the two first are already in the wiki page)
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<jean7491> i hope we will find a volunteer as coordinator before christmas holiday !
<jean7491> are there comments about events ?
<JanC> did you contact Mark already?
<jean7491> not yet
<JanC> okay, next item then?
<jean7491> were ubunteros in leuven area active in the past ?
<jean7491> first meeting ubuntu-be was in leuven, afaik
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<jean7491> if no comment about events, next topic: promotion 
<JanC> jean7491: not sure what you mean by "first meeting"?
<JanC> but most of the people who did fairs in Leuven in the past don't live there anymore or are busy with other things, I think
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<jimbauwens> sorry for being late
<JanC> many of them were students
<jean7491> ok, i'll ask mark for suggestion
<jean7491> hello jimbauwens
<jimbauwens> hello, i was cutting wood, and forgot
<jimbauwens> :)
<woutervddn> hi jim..
<jimbauwens> Anything important that i missed
<jimbauwens> hi wouter :)
<jean7491> we just finish the 1st topic about events, looking for people for dipro leuven on 16/01/2011
<jimbauwens> ok, good
<jimbauwens> you may continue :)
<jean7491> other future events are in the agenda on the web-site
<jean7491> next topic # 2. Promotion
<jean7491>  item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be ...
<jean7491> I sent a mail to ward (leading the project), but no answer yet ...
<massimo21> it's like this project is dead
<jimbauwens> or he is
<jean7491> as warddr is not present today, we wait for his initiative on this issue, or is there a volunteer to continue the project ?
<woutervddn> jimbauwens :)
<gadeynebram> was it desided yet where to buy the T-shirts? Or which design?
<JanC> gadeynebram: no final decision was made
<gadeynebram> okey
<gadeynebram> but there were some requirements like "fairtrade " T-shirts etc.
<woutervddn> and you still got a price of €5?
<JanC> gadeynebram: yes, we want it to be "human"  ;)
<JanC> woutervddn: I don't remember the exact price warddr found
<gadeynebram> I'll look up some prices and locations of online printing services
<JanC> but certainly less than 8€
<woutervddn> I don't know it either, but last meeting there was said something about 5..
<JanC> on-line or locally around where you live...
<gadeynebram> online
<JanC> woutervddn: I showed some shop that sold ecological (not fair-trade) t-shirts for < 5 €
<woutervddn> ow. so without the print?
<JanC> with the print
<JanC> which means fair-trade should be possible for < 8 € I assume
<JanC> it was just the first I could find anyway
<gadeynebram> The design for the T-shirt is online I gues?
<JanC> there are some designs on the wiki
<gadeynebram> I mean the winner design of the voting
<gadeynebram> winning*
<jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsT-shirts
<JanC> I also thought maybe we can ask open source designers like OSP if they want to make a design
<jean7491> there was just a preselection of 3, but no limit for new proposals!
<woutervddn> I made a design myself last week (after viewing those from the wiki and  the nl forum)
<woutervddn> but I can't seem to find it right now..
<massimo21> you can post it if you find it
<jean7491> btw, it seems that 1 volunteer in charge of the project is a bad solution: a team of several volunteers should be more productive !
<gadeynebram> I want to join the team
<jean7491> we need an ad-hoc team with a volunteer to coordinate the work and exchange of information
<jean7491> thanks bram, hoping we will find more interested people for the team or working-group!
<gadeynebram> no problem
<jean7491> other comment on this issue ?
<gadeynebram> Well I have one question
<jean7491> please send it
<gadeynebram> does ubuntu-be have like a funding or something? I will not be able to pay for the T-shirts till they have all been selled
<woutervddn> jean7491 you meant the Tshirt-project I suppose?
<woutervddn> (not U-be in general?)
<jean7491> http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/node/14  and http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/financial-information
<gadeynebram> the okey I'll read that
<JanC> gadeynebram: we have around 2k € I think
<jean7491> ubuntu-be has a reserve that can be use, but of course, our only income is from public gifts
<JanC> jean7491: and from selling stuff
<jean7491> idd, money is available to start a project, but only if project is reasonable and well organized
<JanC> personally I would like to know soon whether we will have t-shirts before FOSDEM...  ;)
<gadeynebram> okey
<gadeynebram> When is FOSDEM?
<woutervddn> I'd love to help with the tshirts but as I'm new here I think someone else should take the lead..
<JanC> first weekend February
<woutervddn> JanC: it doesn't seem to hard to get them finished by then..
<woutervddn> that gives us 3 months..
<JanC> woutervddn: 2 months really
<gadeynebram> woutervddn: If you'll join, I'll lead. You can always help to find some printing services etc.
<woutervddn> indeed 2 months..
<woutervddn> gadeynebram, not far from where I live is a printing service, I'll ask for prices there..
<gadeynebram> @ JanC: I'll keep you posted through the mailinglist. I'm not able to join the meeting every week
<jimbauwens> I wish I could help, but I have exams and such, so ..
<gadeynebram> woutervddn: tnx!
<woutervddn> Also I'd like to ask fairtrade.be if they have any ideas..
<JanC> gadeynebram: great, and we can move meetign times if that's easier for some people (or set up ad hoc meetings about a topic)
<gadeynebram> good idea!
<JanC> we want it to be fairtrade + "green" if possible
<jean7491> at least we start a working-group with 2 volunteers,  i propose to ask warddr to join the team or at least to pass his information on this issue
<jean7491> other comment on the t-shirts ?
<woutervddn> yes, I found my design..
<woutervddn> here's the link: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3686/tshirtlogoonside.png
<gadeynebram> no further comments
<JanC> woutervddn: it might be useful to think about practical (printing) issues too  ;)
<woutervddn> yeah.. I allready thought about that :p
<JanC> but let's leave that up to another time, and continue with the meeting
<woutervddn> good id..
<jean7491> woutervddn i'll add your design in the wiki, next ...
<jean7491> next ... item #2. ubuntu and education : no information ...
<woutervddn> thx
<jean7491> and last item #3:  we need a new french press contact, as the current  has resigned for personal reason, but no information yet
<jean7491> next topic # 3. Update Wiki : suggestion or comment from my side
<jean7491> any comment ?
<jean7491> topic# 4. Support points map status  ...
<jean7491> no information about the map ...
<jean7491> on the website, there is no information registration for new points of support – a bug report has been written...
<JanC> saw that  ☺
<jean7491> i suggest to post an email explaining the procedure how to register as support point
<JanC> it needs to be on the site too
<jean7491> idd, but not sure when it will happen
<JanC> I think Pierre & pep` worked on that today?
<jean7491> another solution is to add on the web-site a link to a wiki-page explaining the procedure ? (wiki is easy to improve)
<jean7491> improve or amend
<JanC> (pep` translated to German)
<jean7491> yes, i asked for this afternoon
<JanC> right, I see some bug mails about that
<jean7491> the bug has been assigned to the WebEditor team ... ?
<gadeynebram> I have to go
<gadeynebram> bye!
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<woutervddn> bye..
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<jean7491> JanC, i'll send you a proposal for a mail on this topic, for review
<JanC> okay
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<jean7491> other comment on this topic ? how to call for new support points ?
<massimo21> no comment
<clamam> idem
<woutervddn> idem
<jean7491> next topic # 5. Things living in the mailing list and others questions ? ...
<jean7491> For information, newcomer in the belgian local community team (launchpad) last week:  maik (DarkEra) already active in ubuntu-nl
<jean7491> Remember monthly report november to be completed no later than  saturday 4/12
<jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamReports/
<jean7491> Other questions not in the agenda ?
<woutervddn> yes.. about the website..
<jean7491> yes ?
<woutervddn> I'm running a completly new install of ubuntustudio here, using opera and again I don't see the style as it should be..
<woutervddn> I think it's only a problem in opera but not sure..
<woutervddn> (firefox has same problem apparently
<JanC> what's the issue?
<jean7491> no idea, generally no problem with firefox and chromium
<JanC> woutervddn: is it still an issue when you force refresh?
<woutervddn> it looks really ieuwi.. I don't know why it occurs..
<woutervddn> yes, both in firefox and opera..
<woutervddn> even after deleting all cache..
<jimbauwens> what is your screen size?
<woutervddn> 1600x900
<JanC> maybe best make a screenshot and file a bug
<jimbauwens> ok, not too small:)
<woutervddn> firefox finally showed it right now (after 20 refreshes)
<JanC> hm
<woutervddn> *-) Really strange! I think the websites hates me :s²
<JanC> woutervddn: do you also have that on other Ubuntu sites?
<woutervddn> no.. that's the strangest thing.. wiki n stuff loads perfect
<jean7491> other comment on this issue ?
<JanC> woutervddn: so file a bug against the ubuntu-be site
<JanC> jean7491: no, let's move on
<jean7491> a last item for topic promotion : Customized Ubuntu-be iso file ...
<jean7491> last week we spoke about it, is there something new to add ? for next meeting ?
<JanC> not from me
<JanC> (now)
<jimbauwens> also not from me
<massimo21> maybe we can leave a program like pitivi away to make usefull plase for the language
<massimo21> place
<jean7491> eventually could be launch in the mailing list for reactions and propositions
<jean7491> and discuss at a next meeting ?
<jimbauwens> maybe I could create a dummy package for ubuntu-restricted-extras
<massimo21> but whit the new install isn't a problem anymore
<woutervddn> how do you mean massimo21?
<massimo21> in the install it asks you
<jimbauwens> the new install only provides mp3 playback
<massimo21> no
<JanC> jimbauwens: I think ubuntu-restricted-extras can be installed with a checkbox now?
<massimo21> it asls you to install the restricted extras
<massimo21> yes
<massimo21> it's what i mean
<JanC> or does it only install the mp3 codec?
<JanC> I didn't really test that
<massimo21> everything
<massimo21> i did
<JanC> okay  ☺
<jimbauwens> hmm, last time I checked it was only mp3, but I could be wrong
<JanC> well, easy to test in VirtualBox or so  ;)
<jimbauwens> yes
<JanC> and in any case, codecs are installed automaticly when needed
<jimbauwens> but flash is also important
<massimo21> firefox asks you now to install flash when needed
<jimbauwens> not the real one
<massimo21> what do you mean?
<jimbauwens> a open source version which in some way sucks :)
<massimo21> not for flash
<massimo21> only java is open java
<jimbauwens> I had this problem when I installed ubuntu for the first time
<jimbauwens> FireFox install gnash or something like that
<JanC> it proposes to install the closed flash too
<JanC> it actually shows 2 or 3
<massimo21> firefox gives you the choise
<massimo21> and for that i am shure
<jimbauwens> oh, it must have changed :D
<woutervddn> I do remember that I had to allow flash in the 'supported by cannonical' tab of the softwarecenter..
<jimbauwens> ok, tyen there is no problem
<massimo21> ubuntu always gets bether
<JanC> also, hopefully the new open source flash project gets better soon
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<jimbauwens> it is getting better
<JanC> as it's already faster than the closed source one in some cases ;)
<JanC> lightspark or whatever it's named
<JanC> but lets move on with the meeting first
<jimbauwens> :)
<JanC> jean7491: other topics left?
<jean7491> if no other question,  last topic, next irc meeting ?  i propose meeting next week, on thursday 09/12/2010  at 21 h. 
<massimo21> ok for me
<JanC> okido
<clamam> ok, good night
<woutervddn> I'm in exams then so I'm not sure I can make it..
<massimo21> good night
<pep`> I'm out then, good night.
<jimbauwens> I also have exams
<jean7491> end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, and have a good night !