mar 03 21:01:39 hi to all, who is here for the meeting ? mar 03 21:01:47 i mar 03 21:02:02 I am.. mar 03 21:02:12 * clamam (~claudio@d51A51DEE.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be mar 03 21:02:36 I'm curious mar 03 21:03:06 hello massimo21 woutervddn stefwal mar 03 21:03:19 clamam is here too mar 03 21:03:24 o/ mar 03 21:03:34 hello mar 03 21:03:35 * djim-fey (53866172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.134.97.114) a rejoint #ubuntu-be mar 03 21:03:40 JanC ? hello clamam mar 03 21:03:52 afaik gadeynebram is here also for the meeting.. mar 03 21:04:05 stefwal, are you new? mar 03 21:04:19 kind of mar 03 21:04:31 never followed a meeting before mar 03 21:04:33 Yes but I'm also busy so I'll be watching with one eye mar 03 21:04:59 hello gadeynebram mar 03 21:05:23 djim-fey ? JanC ? mar 03 21:05:43 hi mar 03 21:06:03 hello djim-fey mar 03 21:06:07 stefwal.. a special welcome to you then ;-) mar 03 21:06:11 thx mar 03 21:07:00 stefwal welcome, where are you from ? mar 03 21:07:06 Veurne mar 03 21:07:09 west vlaanderen mar 03 21:07:12 ok mar 03 21:07:28 JanC ? mar 03 21:08:48 * woutervddn thinks JanC should have some sound notifications program installed... mar 03 21:08:48 JanC seems to be following the course in classroom mar 03 21:09:00 must be very interesting mar 03 21:09:08 * woutervddn thinks janc doesn't need that when he's in class though mar 03 21:09:22 ok, we start, JanC will perhaps join later mar 03 21:09:48 topic #1. past and future events mar 03 21:09:57 item #1 hobby and computers days - antwerp 26-27/02/2011 - report mar 03 21:10:20 i just heard it went good, but no detail mar 03 21:10:46 djim-fey you were there ? what is your comment ? mar 03 21:12:01 not enough CD, too much poster mar 03 21:13:09 do you know how many cd's were in stock in the beginning ? what about visitors ? mar 03 21:13:14 * janb (4e14f611@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.20.246.17) a rejoint #ubuntu-be mar 03 21:13:36 howdy. anyone here? mar 03 21:13:37 penguin sticker also not enough mar 03 21:14:07 did you sell t-shirts ? mar 03 21:14:20 janb, are you here for the meeting? mar 03 21:14:35 nobody bought it mar 03 21:14:45 affirm. made a presentation on Wednesday and I'm ready to report mar 03 21:15:17 ok, but wait, we first finish this item mar 03 21:15:50 other comment about hobby and computers days in antwerp ? mar 03 21:17:23 i dont know exactly how much cds there were in the beginning; but im sure there were more than one box mar 03 21:17:53 after the first day they all gone mar 03 21:19:15 ok about cd, many visitors and questions? enough volunteers? @wouter, about t-shirts, i suggest you look for contact about the remaining items mar 03 21:19:47 @wouter : contact with nero mar 03 21:20:00 no visitor seems intend to buy the t-shirt mar 03 21:20:40 ok mar 03 21:21:17 djim-fey, people at dipro weren't the main target. selling a few would have been nice though mar 03 21:21:35 djim-fey do you know if someone took pictures ? mar 03 21:22:31 yes i saw one of us took some but i dont know who was that mar 03 21:22:37 * massimo21 est parti (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) mar 03 21:22:48 * massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.191.247) a rejoint #ubuntu-be mar 03 21:23:25 ok, other comment about this event ? mar 03 21:25:06 i think that was nero mar 03 21:25:19 he took the pics mar 03 21:26:23 ok, we will wait for more details from nero, thanks djim-fey for your work in antwerp ! mar 03 21:26:39 Item #2 presentation in aalter mar 03 21:26:52 jan will give us details ... mar 03 21:27:03 howdy! mar 03 21:27:16 I gave a presentation to high school students in Aalter mar 03 21:27:27 11th grade and matric mar 03 21:27:51 It has been on the cards for a while, but I wasn't ready earlier, and then we had to coordinate a date mar 03 21:28:03 But it has happened, and it was good! mar 03 21:28:10 nice mar 03 21:28:41 very nice indeed.. mar 03 21:28:45 I uploaded the latest presentation to the wiki. Once a new wiki page has been dedicated to this event, I will write a full report. mar 03 21:29:10 ok, i will add a wiki page for your report and mail it to you mar 03 21:29:19 One improvement I'll need for next presentation, is to advertise our group, and ubuntu support more mar 03 21:29:23 great! We should have more things like that.. mar 03 21:30:01 jean7491, if you could also mail me account details. I got 20 Euro for my effort (and a bottle of wine, but I'm afraid I can't deposit that) mar 03 21:30:33 janb: let's meet in person mar 03 21:30:42 ok, i'll mail you details mar 03 21:30:55 I was a bit nervous about giving a presentation to young kids, but it went really well, and I'm hoping to do this more often. mar 03 21:31:30 lol @ stefwal :p mar 03 21:31:32 very good! mar 03 21:31:48 Aha! my first stalker! ;-) mar 03 21:32:23 yes.. I like that janb, an education team is something that would hugely benefit us.. mar 03 21:32:43 janb, we just have to find good contacts to multiply this kind of presentation mar 03 21:32:46 (if you would be so kind to write down tips and hints in the report) [whistle] mar 03 21:33:07 I've always been toying with the idea, and I'm happy it's finally materialising mar 03 21:34:29 indeed.. mar 03 21:35:04 correct jean7491. I told the teacher to spread the word. He said he doesn't have many contacts outside the school, but if ever someone's asking... mar 03 21:35:31 So that's only a passive advertisement mar 03 21:35:43 I wonder if we can advertise this more actively. mar 03 21:35:55 I think active advertisement would get us further but we have to have a solid presentation then.. mar 03 21:36:07 I believe there was someone in education on our mailing list not so long ago? mar 03 21:36:09 (read as email schools or informatics teacher in person) mar 03 21:36:24 janb: true mar 03 21:37:23 here the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Education/Aalter_2011-03-02 mar 03 21:37:51 Thanks. I'll write soonest and report on the mailing list mar 03 21:38:05 janb; where can i find your presentation? i can't find it @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs#Print%20Documents%20&%20Presentations mar 03 21:38:37 mathias campe is a teacher who's on our ML mar 03 21:38:51 you can find both my presentations on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgainTeam/Education mar 03 21:39:13 at the same time, you could ask the mailing list for tips how to advertise ? mar 03 21:39:33 first tip: always try to get in contact with the head of the school mar 03 21:41:06 how did you do that? mar 03 21:41:52 woutervddn, was that question for me? mar 03 21:42:00 uhu.. mar 03 21:42:21 how did you get in touch with the head? did you know him, or did you just emailed him or what? mar 03 21:42:28 we were approached by this teacher on the mailing list, I believe. mar 03 21:42:56 he is 'just' the IT teacher. The head was not really involved, I think. mar 03 21:43:20 janb: that's why he says, he doesn't have any contacts mar 03 21:45:51 second tip: try to contact a local newspaper who's willing to publish a small text with a picture mar 03 21:46:02 schools love public relations mar 03 21:46:12 xD lol mar 03 21:46:44 other comment? hoping for more info about other opportunities from the mailing list ! mar 03 21:48:05 next ... item #3 digital week 2011, (28/02-04/03/2011) mar 03 21:48:31 oday 03/03/2011 in the public library – Ostend - 2 presentations .. mar 03 21:48:33 * gadeynebram (~gadeynebr@83.101.71.95) a quitté #ubuntu-be mar 03 21:49:34 approx 25 people well interested and contacts for more activities in the public library in ostend mar 03 21:50:42 next event digital week is in schoten, see http://digitaleweek.be/activiteiten-2011/vrije-software-dag mar 03 21:51:16 next Item #4 dipro fair brugge – 13/03/2011 mar 03 21:52:08 only 3 volunteers in the wiki, we hope other volunteers will appear ! mar 03 21:52:14 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Brugge_2011-03-13 mar 03 21:52:38 item #5 dipro charleroi – 20/03/2011 mar 03 21:52:51 adrien and sylvain are in contact to collaborate with local lug's mar 03 21:54:18 we have to coordinate with sylvain for t-shirts and cd's: the remaining 20 t-shirts by nero could be sent to charleroi mar 03 21:54:33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Charleroi_2011-03-20 mar 03 21:54:52 i'll care for cd's with JanC mar 03 21:56:52 wouter : do you have details about the 20 t-shirts ? mar 03 21:57:11 not atm.. mar 03 21:57:20 but i'll ask nero.. mar 03 21:57:28 ok mar 03 21:57:32 afaik they are all shipped him? mar 03 21:58:11 afaik nero has the remainig items (20) mar 03 21:58:33 ok.. mar 03 21:58:34 20 remaining t-shirts mar 03 21:58:50 other comment about events ? mar 03 21:59:52 nope mar 03 22:00:06 next topic # 2. Promotion mar 03 22:00:20 item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be : update? mar 03 22:00:34 I'm still waiting on mark.. mar 03 22:00:55 Although I'm wondering if we couln't just order.. mar 03 22:01:23 janC transfered the money, mark just hasn't been home for some days.. mar 03 22:01:35 (so he couldn't check it..) mar 03 22:02:10 I'd like to get ship asap.. those who preordered are waiting for quiet a while now.. mar 03 22:02:28 i think we can not order without contact with mark ! mar 03 22:03:39 I have contacted him.. but he hasn't been able to check.. mar 03 22:03:53 I guess we should wait for him.. (but I don't like waiting :p) mar 03 22:04:13 wouter, see pm mar 03 22:05:20 I really hope he confirms this week.. mar 03 22:05:32 ok i understand ! mar 03 22:05:43 that way I can order and we'll have the shirts in little over a week.. mar 03 22:06:54 other comment about t-shirts ? mar 03 22:07:00 not really.. mar 03 22:07:03 * woutervddn changing computer mar 03 22:07:17 Item #2 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011 mar 03 22:08:32 apparently no new input in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsFlyers2011 mar 03 22:09:58 * wouter_vddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be mar 03 22:10:09 * woutervddn est parti (Quit: Leaving) mar 03 22:11:37 if no improvement, we will see for next step (order) mar 03 22:12:00 but we have enough time mar 03 22:12:02 wich one? mar 03 22:12:30 we will have to decide ! mar 03 22:12:52 ... but not urgent mar 03 22:12:53 but ass you allready told we hav time mar 03 22:12:54 I suggest to wait until after the vacation to decide.. mar 03 22:13:05 ok mar 03 22:13:09 (I hope to do tons of work in that period.. :p) mar 03 22:13:21 nice ! mar 03 22:14:09 Item #3 promotion material for fairs/events - rollups 2011 mar 03 22:14:16 same remark ! mar 03 22:14:28 what are rollups? mar 03 22:14:32 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsRollup2011 mar 03 22:14:44 stefwal: rollups are vertical banners.. mar 03 22:14:52 ok thx mar 03 22:15:00 see the link mar 03 22:15:53 Item #4 promotion material for fairs/events - other goodies (mugs, bags, pens, ... mar 03 22:16:11 will there be a poll to decide wich rollup to choose? mar 03 22:16:27 why not ? mar 03 22:17:48 as for the flyers, we can wait till end of march mar 03 22:17:55 2011! mar 03 22:18:32 seems like a fair amount of time :) mar 03 22:19:38 you have another suggestion ? mar 03 22:20:52 no, it's perfect that way.. leaves me a bit of time to keep postponing stuff :p mar 03 22:21:08 for the hollidays mar 03 22:22:03 wich holidays ? "krokus" "pasen" or july-august ? mar 03 22:22:26 lol (22:13:06) wouter_vddn: (I hope to do tons of work in that period.. :p) mar 03 22:23:02 lol, ... mar 03 22:23:16 indeed.. mar 03 22:23:58 about item #4 goodies, warddr is not here, and we should discuss the item ... mar 03 22:24:55 as i 've difficulty with assuming every volunteer to events/dipro fairs will be happy to sell more goodies mar 03 22:25:11 indeed.. I agree with that.. mar 03 22:25:40 ... selling more and explaining ubuntu is free of charge mar 03 22:26:29 imho we should first see what happens with the t-shirts mar 03 22:26:40 that's a good idea without a doubt.. mar 03 22:26:55 i agree with jean mar 03 22:27:15 Although I like the fact of having merchandise, I also agree that we shouldn't jump in to this without preparation.. mar 03 22:27:55 And with preparation I mean also mapping the legal concequences of selling merchandise.. mar 03 22:28:24 I'd be thinking about the financial issue in first instance. mar 03 22:28:42 buying goodies is easy mar 03 22:28:45 selling them... mar 03 22:30:30 yes wouter and stefwal , we have to think about all implications ! but not today......we continue with topic # 3. update wiki and web-site mar 03 22:30:44 wiki: update/proposition? mar 03 22:31:15 nothing from me mar 03 22:31:50 I've started on writing down what should be changed to the pages that aren't included in legacy (but aren't up to date either..) mar 03 22:31:50 jean: I don't want to be annoying but what 's the wiki about in a nutshell mar 03 22:32:20 It's on the other pc though so I don't have it with me.. Basically I'll be using it as a lead next week (Wednesday) mar 03 22:32:36 for those interested in updating.. we'll be starting at 16h mar 03 22:33:00 @ stefwal see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam mar 03 22:33:02 stefwal: it's a place where everybody can add info (like wikipedia) but then only for Ubuntu related stuff.. mar 03 22:34:02 jean and wouter: I am aware of what's on those pages but is there a possibility to add stuff that's not yet in the pages. mar 03 22:34:27 for instance: I'm studying pythong for the moment, if I translate it into dutch, would that be interesting? mar 03 22:34:40 python not pythong mar 03 22:36:00 afaik the wiki is about coordinating activities and documentation of the belgian team ... mar 03 22:36:02 well, it is relevant to A wiki.. but the ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam wiki is only about the work of the belgian ubuntu team.. mar 03 22:36:35 wouter: that's what I'm aiming at mar 03 22:36:52 It seems ubuntu be is specifically for promotion mar 03 22:36:52 how do you mean stefwal? mar 03 22:37:58 well, in my eyes the primary goal of ubuntu-be is to spread the word and the message that Ubuntu is carrying out.. So you could call that promotion.. mar 03 22:38:18 yes, that's what I mean. you go around and spread the word mar 03 22:38:46 python and stuff would be more valid on our wiki once we've got an education team up and running.. mar 03 22:39:01 wouter: that's a good argument mar 03 22:39:14 but ATM I think python content would be kind of out of place on our wiki.. mar 03 22:39:44 that's my question: does it interfere with your path mar 03 22:40:04 depends on the goal you guys set mar 03 22:40:29 btw: stefwal, I just found you on the edubuntu pages.. are you active there? mar 03 22:41:13 I'm active in bug tracking. I'm planning to get active in edubuntu (not in the first months) mar 03 22:42:05 well I think that if we are seriously setting track towards a vzw or such our goals should be reviewed.. mar 03 22:42:07 as I have more time to study now I want to set my priorities to programming and debugging mar 03 22:42:41 have ti go mar 03 22:42:45 good night mar 03 22:42:49 massimo cya mar 03 22:42:52 jean7491: how do you feel about education and programming stuff? is it part of U-be? mar 03 22:42:58 ciao massimo21 mar 03 22:42:59 o/ good night massimo mar 03 22:43:03 * massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.191.247) a quitté #ubuntu-be mar 03 22:44:32 i don't see the link between programming stuf and education as i understand: imho we speak about ubuntu and education as a way to promote ubuntu ... mar 03 22:45:11 programming stuff is not related to this activity (imho) mar 03 22:45:25 ok.. mar 03 22:45:31 jean: that's the way I feel it too, at this instance mar 03 22:46:02 anyhow, now I have my answer mar 03 22:46:05 and the wiki belgian team is more about activities and coordination mar 03 22:46:38 I think it's a small edge though.. as ubuntu is generally written by the community.. also it covers A feature of it.. mar 03 22:46:51 but it's certainly not a real goal.. mar 03 22:47:22 wouter: also, education of programming is no longer "spreading the word" it goes much deeper into the system mar 03 22:47:37 perhaps in the ubuntu wiki, but not in the belgian team wiki mar 03 22:47:44 indeed.. mar 03 22:48:14 we continue with the website ... mar 03 22:48:57 afaik the translation o the support point manual is done in french and a german translator appears mar 03 22:49:35 I'm off, cya guys mar 03 22:49:46 good night o/ mar 03 22:49:54 about bug 718482 ... bye stefwal mar 03 22:49:58 * stefwal est parti (Quit: Leaving.) mar 03 22:51:18 glad thats 1 bug less :p mar 03 22:51:32 not yet done ! mar 03 22:51:52 true.. mar 03 22:52:14 but at least we found someone who speaks german :) mar 03 22:53:05 yes, 2d point about promoting our activities in a page on the web-site, any new idea ? mar 03 22:53:48 well since we have the agenda I suppose it would be a logical thing to point to those pages from there.. mar 03 22:55:15 it was about that we need a page promoting our actions/events. the aim is to show what we do, hoping that new volunteers will join. mar 03 22:55:47 but i've no idea how to reach the aim ? mar 03 22:56:31 ow that page.. mar 03 22:56:38 i think the amount of volunteers is directly proportional to the amount of users. Does anyone have an idea how many users we have in Belgium? mar 03 22:57:03 I don't think anybody has a number of that.. mar 03 22:57:24 no idea, and i doubt about the proportionnality ! mar 03 22:57:37 Ubuntu claims to have 8M users world wide. How do they quantify that? mar 03 22:58:22 in fact, as ubuntu-users should be enthousiasts, we should have more volunteers, but in fact ... mar 03 22:58:27 janb: I guess the amount of downloads mar 03 22:59:08 If they are just counting downloads, or maybe people that use updates, then they should know IP addresses, and thus demography? mar 03 22:59:10 jean7491: is there allready a bug for that? mar 03 22:59:30 janb: ask canonical.. mar 03 22:59:41 @ janb : for example, we have more volunteers in genk and hasselt than in gent ... mar 03 23:00:39 why? likely motivation of a few volunteers who can look for activities and other volunteers mar 03 23:01:17 true, you still have to promote and round up volunteers, biut the principle still exists. If there are no users, there will be no volunteers. mar 03 23:02:12 @wouter , no bug for this page about promoting our activities mar 03 23:02:30 @jan indeed! mar 03 23:02:30 without a doubt it are those involved atm that attract new people.. mar 03 23:02:44 In any case, during my next presentations I will certainly also mention the group and our site. mar 03 23:03:04 jean: we might want to create one for that.. mar 03 23:03:11 the one thing we must do is to install ubuntu as much as possible on pc's of people we know and than ubuntu will do the rest mar 03 23:03:15 shall I do it, or you? mar 03 23:03:38 @wouter , please do ! mar 03 23:03:54 ok mar 03 23:03:56 the people where i have installed ubuntu are using it on a daily base and like it mar 03 23:05:10 @clamam imho yes and we have to be present where possible to demonstrate ubuntu as an alternative mar 03 23:05:45 but regardless of atracting new volunteers we need to find a way to keep them.. mar 03 23:06:00 Also in Hasselt there is a computerclub "the bitmappers" they have group of ubuntu users that come together once a month mar 03 23:06:22 i go to every meeting mar 03 23:06:39 ... it can be in fairs, schools, public libraries, computer-clubs, ... mar 03 23:06:43 @ wouter_vddn: bread and games! ;-) mar 03 23:07:12 clamam: really? I didn't know, do you have a website? mar 03 23:07:33 janb: how in earth do we find a bread and games solution for this.. mar 03 23:07:42 an irl meeting might be a start.. :p mar 03 23:07:46 but further? mar 03 23:08:20 other comment about the website ? if not we continue ... mar 03 23:08:49 ... next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ? mar 03 23:08:53 I was just kidding of course. But the best motivation is reward. Obviously we are not into financial reward, or even any other form of material reward. mar 03 23:09:22 Satisfaction is some sort of reward.... mar 03 23:09:41 http://www.bitmappers.be mar 03 23:10:47 partly it is why i ask reports, then everyone can explain what he did and see what other people have done ... mar 03 23:11:34 and the activities are mentionned in our monthly reports and widely published ... mar 03 23:12:17 but don't ask how many people (outside belgian team) read our reports! mar 03 23:13:21 about other questions not in the agenda ? any question ? mar 03 23:13:27 I think the reports are great in a number of ways. Not only are they a knowledge base for "do's and dont's" they also show people we are something that's alive and kicking.. mar 03 23:13:47 I made the page.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium/+bug/728721 mar 03 23:13:51 *the bug mar 03 23:14:00 ok, thx mar 03 23:14:49 idd reports are important as memory about what we did and as our own promotion + lessons learned mar 03 23:15:23 example: about faosdem ! ... mar 03 23:16:11 I think we should try to be at more places like fosdem.. mar 03 23:16:32 or in general, on other places then only dipro's.. mar 03 23:16:50 i did not participate, but i hear it is a big event, also for the belgian team, but i never saw a report about it: someone coming in ubuntu-be could wonder why ? mar 03 23:17:28 well I guess the reason that there is no report because it's chaos :p mar 03 23:17:47 no idea! mar 03 23:17:57 it can't be compared to dipro at all.. mar 03 23:18:18 I'd like to throw a 'drol in die drinkwater' here (South African expression) mar 03 23:18:20 i just saw a nice video on fosdem site, no chaos ! mar 03 23:18:34 you've got to picture 1000 people walking in a hallway that is as wide as 5 meters and 2 meters is taken by booths :p mar 03 23:18:52 well.. I mean chaos as in, so many people.. mar 03 23:19:06 I have noticed more often recently that there are other organisations also promoting and/or talking about ubuntu, but we don't seem to be part of it. mar 03 23:19:25 What are we doing wrong, that those organisations do not participate to the LoCo team? mar 03 23:20:02 I don't know.. mar 03 23:20:15 what do you mean? about which one ? mar 03 23:21:07 Well, I have found out about someone teaching Ubuntu in some community centre here. I am hoping to meet him so I can share some experiences.... mar 03 23:21:30 in general, one of the things I think of is people coming to our site and the first thing they see is something static.. having something like a blog or so might take it to a more dynamic level.. mar 03 23:22:04 Then I also had this request from another organisation to give a presentation, and they thought I wasn't experienced or professional enough to give the presentation, but they did find someone else more experienced and more professional, and they actually gave me the program. mar 03 23:22:05 Once we've figured how I can get full webeditor rights on the site (it's a bug) I'll probably start a blog on it that covers what we do and such.. mar 03 23:22:18 It's happening in April, and again i hope to attend to find out mar 03 23:22:51 Then I now hear about these bitmappers, who don't seem to be involved with our team? mar 03 23:23:13 jean7491: I think a vzw would benefit the way people look at us.. mar 03 23:23:29 in terms of reliability mar 03 23:23:31 answer for : (23:19:20) janb: What are we doing wrong, that those organisations do not participate to the LoCo team? mar 03 23:23:55 what can we give to other teams or organisations mar 03 23:24:05 we are a official locoteam mar 03 23:24:11 although one bitmapper (leader?) is member of the loco team and sometimes read the mailing list mar 03 23:24:41 clamam: what do we give atm, and what should we give? mar 03 23:25:03 we as a locoteam have little to offer to a organisation that wants to promote ubuntu mar 03 23:25:37 we are open to bitmappers and to promote their activities, like we did with monitor in niet mar 03 23:25:41 i think that they should come to us for official promo material like cd's, posters,... mar 03 23:26:20 clamam: maybe we should advertise that more? mar 03 23:26:36 maybe? mar 03 23:26:36 we had once a request from bitmappers and sent posters , ... mar 03 23:27:03 Jean7491, i agree we welcome them, but either they don't know about us, or, worse still, they're not intereseted in us? mar 03 23:27:54 flyers: if available, yes, cd's ? we only have 250 cd's for all 6 months activities, not enough mar 03 23:28:05 I am speculating for now, but I definitely would like to ask them if I meet any other person promoting ubuntu, in whatever way, and is not partaking in our team. mar 03 23:29:18 @ janb : no idea about why less cooperation ... mar 03 23:30:10 It might be a question we want to ask ourselves, if we would like to attract more volunteers. mar 03 23:30:53 @janb : imho, we are open to everyone willing to promote ubuntu and can support with our possibilities ... mar 03 23:32:03 i will ask @ the next meeting if some members want to help @ fairs or promotion for ubuntu-be mar 03 23:32:57 jean7491, I am not disputing that or doubting that, but there seems to be missing some attraction to those who are not joining us, if we are struggling to find volunteers. mar 03 23:34:12 @ janb but as we have no organisation, we have difficulties to elaborate more active actions towards other users ... mar 03 23:34:40 or to decide what we should do mar 03 23:35:13 Maybe indeed that is part of the problem. We may not seem very organised to the outside world. mar 03 23:35:25 idd mar 03 23:35:31 Would it be viable to organise ourselves in a vzw? mar 03 23:35:46 a vzw is A step.. mar 03 23:35:49 like i see it, what can ubuntu-be give me or what can a other organisation give me. i do both of them and i help where i can. mar 03 23:35:59 but there are a dozen steps we should or should not make.. mar 03 23:36:26 for know i get enough satisfaction to be members of both mar 03 23:37:48 if, at least, we start a discussion about organization (v.z.w. is a future step), i would be very happy ... mar 03 23:38:20 ciamam, that is true for everyone that is already part of our team, I suppose, but that is not my point. We are talking about the people that are NOT part of our team, but yet have a lot to contribute. mar 03 23:38:44 jean: I'd love to have a solid organization. mar 03 23:39:15 if we'd have a team of people who set the direction of Ubuntu-be we can make structured and clear goals mar 03 23:39:45 idd mar 03 23:39:52 it's hard to manage a lot of people, doing so over the internet only makes it harder.. mar 03 23:40:13 janb: we have to offer more than just a place in a booth on a fair mar 03 23:40:25 in order to achieve an optimised way of communicating and handling things structurizing things is a great opportunity.. mar 03 23:40:46 i think with a vzw we can do irl meetings mar 03 23:41:05 If we have a proper structure laid down in an organisational structure and published as such, I think it would be much easier to attract people. mar 03 23:41:39 janb: that's what i mean mar 03 23:42:05 imho we should first look for an organization , and later to formalize it in a nonprofit association ... mar 03 23:42:08 having an IRL meeting to discuss this :p mar 03 23:42:22 But the first thing would be to attract a ubuntu volunteer that is a bookkeeper! ;-) We'd need one to set up the whole thing and get it going. I could ask mine but he is f$%^ expensive mar 03 23:42:51 jean7491 I think the one can't come without the other. mar 03 23:43:33 about the IRL meeting we've been talking about, do you guys consider it possible to do 1 meeting for ALL members? mar 03 23:43:44 or are regional meetings a better thing to do? mar 03 23:44:13 we really should organize a irl meeting, maybe one in brussels or antwerp mar 03 23:44:16 but we need to start with organization, ... nonprofit association statute will not help to organize the team mar 03 23:45:02 about irl meeting, good idea, ... but ... mar 03 23:45:37 but? mar 03 23:45:41 You might be right there, jean7491. How shall we do that? This might need some brainstorming. mar 03 23:46:03 it needs a good preparation about the topic: it has to be prepared with brainstorming, ... mar 03 23:46:21 why not launch a call to volunteers that want to be part of this "organisation" mar 03 23:46:31 create a team on this issue mar 03 23:46:42 and then set a irl meeting date mar 03 23:47:07 ... when we have a project, we can meet (open for everyone who wish join) irl... mar 03 23:47:58 ciamam, that might be a good idea if it is presented well. mar 03 23:47:59 jean, what do you mean with "a project"? mar 03 23:48:48 in 2009 i started with ideas about organization for the loco team, but with a limited answer ! mar 03 23:49:13 see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization mar 03 23:49:14 if the project is big enough we can set a lot of things like voting for a board and a chariman, "penningmeester",.... mar 03 23:49:31 But that was before I joined ;-)... mar 03 23:49:52 and I :p lol mar 03 23:51:16 but......we need a lot of members? not just 5 or 6 or 10 mar 03 23:51:28 OK, I quickly looked at the page. Maybe we should blow some new life into this. mar 03 23:51:43 We might need to take this one step at a time. mar 03 23:51:54 the first step could be to (re)launch ideas in the mailing list ... mar 03 23:52:03 If we bombard the whole mailing list with the whole thing, it might be to much at once. mar 03 23:52:13 jean.. I suggest you make a meeting topic out of it.. mar 03 23:52:20 we can do that mar 03 23:52:33 Maybe we should first have a small team that start it, and then say "who wants to be penningmeester?" mar 03 23:52:38 we can look @ france or Holland as a example mar 03 23:53:10 ok, i will put the topic on the agenda mar 03 23:53:16 ok.. mar 03 23:53:17 ok mar 03 23:53:36 great. mar 03 23:54:10 ok, we stop for today ! mar 03 23:54:16 gotta go now. Time to doodoo. mar 03 23:54:17 :p good plan.. mar 03 23:54:38 if no question, ... last topic, next irc meeting ? on thursday 10/03/2011 at 21 h. mar 03 23:54:49 ok, good night mar 03 23:54:57 end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !