avr 14 21:01:06 hi to all, who is here for the meeting ? avr 14 21:04:25 I'll be back in 5 min ☺ avr 14 21:10:34 * woutervddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be avr 14 21:10:41 o/ avr 14 21:11:10 good evening all.. avr 14 21:11:35 hi wouter, jan is back in 5 min avr 14 21:11:37 * jurgentje (~jurgen@94-227-10-80.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be avr 14 21:11:41 ok.. avr 14 21:11:51 I was already afraid I was going to be late :p avr 14 21:11:57 hi guys... sorry I'm late. Here now. avr 14 21:12:01 hi jurgentje avr 14 21:12:27 hi juren avr 14 21:12:35 hi wouter, jean, et all avr 14 21:12:59 janC is back in 5 min avr 14 21:13:24 * JanC is back ☺ avr 14 21:13:39 * lofty40 (~mario@77.109.78.155) a rejoint #ubuntu-be avr 14 21:14:09 Hi JanC avr 14 21:15:29 for now, we are 4 in this meeting avr 14 21:16:51 mimor ? avr 14 21:16:53 * padv est parti (Remote host closed the connection) avr 14 21:17:37 let's try a short meeting ( one hour ?) avr 14 21:17:51 topic #1. events avr 14 21:18:02 okay for me. (shorter is allowed too if we can handle it all) ;) avr 14 21:18:14 item #1 Dipro fair Ghent - 10/04/2011 - report avr 14 21:18:58 JanC , comment about ghent ? avr 14 21:19:53 number of volunteers in Ghent was okay this time avr 14 21:20:10 number of visitors was okay before noon avr 14 21:21:00 in the afternoon not many anymore, and most of us went home (as announced before the fair) avr 14 21:22:01 when I say "okay before noon" I mean not a lot, but not good either ;) avr 14 21:22:16 eh avr 14 21:22:30 and we didn't get a lot of gifts :-( avr 14 21:22:31 It seems like dipro is losing terrain.. Or is that just me thinking that? avr 14 21:22:50 woutervddn: yes, that has been going on for several years avr 14 21:23:04 i had no feedback from mimor, nor from nero (i sent him questions) avr 14 21:23:20 and no idea about the financial balance avr 14 21:23:52 I'm pretty sure there was a loss avr 14 21:24:03 good evening. avr 14 21:24:06 unless somebody gave 20 € or so in the afternoon avr 14 21:24:10 JanC : did jonas take pictures ? avr 14 21:24:20 yes avr 14 21:24:22 hi sylvaintechnic avr 14 21:24:25 hi sylvaintechnic avr 14 21:24:47 other comment about ghent ? avr 14 21:25:14 hi sylvai avr 14 21:25:16 *n avr 14 21:25:20 Hi everybody avr 14 21:25:31 hi lofty... (new name?) avr 14 21:25:39 hi lofty40 avr 14 21:26:04 o/ avr 14 21:26:29 another thing about Ghent: most people already knew Ubuntu, so not many potential new users... avr 14 21:26:47 did you get questions for help? avr 14 21:27:01 lofty40 : you are new in this meeting, where are you from ? avr 14 21:27:30 (and welcome btw, lofty40 ) :) avr 14 21:27:35 jurgentje: a couple, but often it's difficult to help people without access to their hardware... avr 14 21:27:47 especially in case of driver issues avr 14 21:27:54 Not really new, It's my 2nd time in here. btw I'm from Waasmunster near Saint-nicolas avr 14 21:28:10 yep, that's a fact. Just asking what our impact is in supporting people. avr 14 21:28:12 hi lofty.. ^^ avr 14 21:28:31 lofty40 ... thanks! avr 14 21:28:31 I do agree with Jan.. avr 14 21:28:51 in the end all we can tell them is: go use the forums provided on our website.. avr 14 21:29:15 or IRC or go to a local computer club (if any) or ... avr 14 21:29:44 contact a local support point ? avr 14 21:31:14 ^yeah indeed.. although I have to admit I don't do that often.. avr 14 21:31:17 another option avr 14 21:31:32 if no other comment about dipro ghent, we continue with next event ... avr 14 21:31:56 item #2 rewics (Rencontres Wallonnes de l'Internet Citoyen) charleroi - 04/05/2011 avr 14 21:32:09 sylvaintechnic any comment ? avr 14 21:33:21 for the moment, we are 2 for the booth. Adrien has a conference. Me too for EducOOo ;) avr 14 21:33:51 i hope adrien will find other peoples ! avr 14 21:34:00 me too ;) avr 14 21:34:23 next event ... item #3 dipro fair antwerp – 08/05/2011 avr 14 21:34:44 volunteers, pleade add your name in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2011-05-08 (coordination: bram) avr 14 21:35:14 bad date... mother's day. avr 14 21:35:36 but in Antwerp, they celebrate Mother's day in August - so let's hope it's not an issue there avr 14 21:35:45 ^ hehe indeed avr 14 21:35:56 no other comment ? avr 14 21:36:23 next event ... item #4 release parties 11,04 ? do you know release parties planned by other associations? I only know brugge avr 14 21:36:35 release party 11.04 in Brugge – 11/05 (organized by wamukota) avr 14 21:37:29 sylvain, no information from adrien on this item ? avr 14 21:38:02 other comment about events ? avr 14 21:38:21 jean7491: I don't know. Adrien didn't say me avr 14 21:38:41 ok, if no comment, next topic # 2. Promotion avr 14 21:38:50 item #1 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011 avr 14 21:38:59 as the design is approved, we are looking for an order of 5000 flyers avr 14 21:39:22 there is just a problem to convert the original file (which format?) in pdf/x-1a:2001 with cmyk colors as required avr 14 21:39:40 i don't know how to do it (cmyk) in linux avr 14 21:39:49 any idea ? avr 14 21:40:19 I 'll look in to it.. avr 14 21:40:28 I'll post on the ML when done :) avr 14 21:40:52 Last time I tried for printing purposes , I was obligated to use Windows avr 14 21:40:54 I believe I did it before but I 'll have to look for some things first.. avr 14 21:41:49 Scribus should be able to do that ? avr 14 21:42:12 then you have to remake everything in Scribus :S avr 14 21:42:22 it was actually the first application on the market that supported PDF/X-1a:2001 IIRC ;) avr 14 21:42:22 I don't think so.. avr 14 21:42:50 AFAIK Inkscape and Scribus can handle the .svg's :) avr 14 21:43:06 Inkscape can't handle CMYK (on its own) though avr 14 21:43:32 but probably Scribus can convert it... avr 14 21:43:33 and RGB-SVG-files won't convert to CMYK in Scribus. avr 14 21:43:46 jurgentje: they won't? avr 14 21:44:17 afaik not... that conversion isn't straightforward avr 14 21:44:25 I'm pretty sure Inkscape can handle CMYK avr 14 21:44:41 maybe not export as CMYK but I does support it.. avr 14 21:44:54 converting RGB <-> CMYK requires colour profiles, but Scribus supports that too avr 14 21:45:11 woutervddn: Inkscape can't handle CMYK avr 14 21:45:30 woutervddn: there might be an export plugin maybe? avr 14 21:45:31 it's been a while ago I really used Scribus - so can't answer for the more recent releases avr 14 21:45:34 :s avr 14 21:45:55 Draw a rectangle in Incscape, left under click edit fill and go to tab CMYK.. :s avr 14 21:46:24 no... import an inkscape file... and see if you can turn it to CMYK avr 14 21:47:12 ok, we wait information from wouter or jurgentje on this issue of conversion, and continue the meeting avr 14 21:47:25 item #2 promotion material for fairs/events - rollups avr 14 21:47:35 are there suggestions/proposals/comments ? avr 14 21:48:34 I did hear something interesting about a company that makes rollups.. avr 14 21:49:33 My uncle knows a guy somewhere (who might know a guy that knows a guy...) anyway I hope he can arrange something :p avr 14 21:49:56 the frame that Nero got from a company looks nice avr 14 21:50:42 not a rollup, but a bunch of alluminium tubes to put something much sturdier than a rollup together ☺ avr 14 21:50:53 janC : a frame as in a frame without the fabric? avr 14 21:50:56 ow :p avr 14 21:51:10 there is something to stick posters etc. on too avr 14 21:51:28 I have only seen it on pictures avr 14 21:51:31 wow.. seems like some decent material.. avr 14 21:51:45 is it the thing from canonical ? avr 14 21:51:56 no avr 14 21:52:03 that one is at my place avr 14 21:52:17 Nero said that one is very unstable avr 14 21:53:03 at least, compared to what he has in Mechelen ☺ avr 14 21:53:19 what you discribed is an x-banner avr 14 21:54:45 if nero answers to my mails, i can ask details avr 14 21:54:57 is this based on the same size/format? avr 14 21:55:55 no idea avr 14 21:56:09 * RamiAdrien (~adrien@78.129.23.239) a rejoint #ubuntu-be avr 14 21:56:33 because I think we really have to make a decision... or otherwise we still won't have a banner by Christmas 2025. :p avr 14 21:57:25 Nero's "booth frame" is bigger than a roll-up avr 14 21:57:46 the bigger the better :p (unless you've got to cram everything inside of a little fiat) avr 14 21:57:56 but probably more expensive to buy too ;) avr 14 21:57:56 shouldn't we then just stick the the rollup? avr 14 21:58:39 unless we can build something like that ourselves... avr 14 21:58:50 i saw in drukland.be 1 rollup = 45 euros +vat + port = 63 euros avr 14 21:58:55 If we get someone to produce the booth frame for a cheap price it worth looking at it :p avr 14 21:59:25 I'm not going to redesign the poster... this is something very frustrating if you work as a volunteer. I've put quite a few hours in making this design. And I can imagine I will think again if a design challenge is posted on Ubuntu-be avr 14 21:59:26 maybe Nero can provide more detailed pictures avr 14 22:00:28 JanC : can you ask nero for it ? avr 14 22:00:34 jurgentje: the poster design might still be useful avr 14 22:01:22 indeed.. avr 14 22:01:29 I'll see Nero when he brings back my stuff that I left behind at Dipro Ghent avr 14 22:02:29 so, I can ask then (or earlier when we discuss when he will bring it) avr 14 22:02:39 ok, imho what i understand about the material from nero is that it is not in replacement of a rollup ... avr 14 22:03:11 it can be an addition though :) avr 14 22:03:14 certainly if we have to find someone who is working on that avr 14 22:03:55 and btw we will have (for the rollup) the same problem of format as for the flyer avr 14 22:04:00 okay... so just to get it clear... we're going to make (1 or more) rollups and an x-banner... but we're noticing a decrease of participation/success on Dipro (our main event base). avr 14 22:05:13 sofar we are preparing at least 1 rollup-project ... avr 14 22:05:20 jurgentje I hope that once we've got the lay out figured out that we can do more then just dipro's :) avr 14 22:05:42 :) avr 14 22:05:44 how many ? i don't know ... avr 14 22:06:03 and it is for all events, not just dipro fairs avr 14 22:06:30 yes, can be used at LUG or computer club events, etc. avr 14 22:06:54 free software day... avr 14 22:07:00 obviously... and we do have enough volunteers for this? (and means to distribute the rollup) avr 14 22:07:22 jurgentje: sometimes avr 14 22:07:34 as it has always been... avr 14 22:07:59 jurgentje: it only needs 3 people to have a great project: A leader, A pationate person and A realist :) avr 14 22:08:08 sorry, I'll shut up for a little while, I'm noticing I'm whining. avr 14 22:08:16 =p avr 14 22:09:16 wouter : you saw the price for rollup from drukland, it is afaik the lowest price, but no idea about quality avr 14 22:12:27 * RamiAdrien est parti (Quit: Leaving.) avr 14 22:12:49 we continue with next topic ... avr 14 22:13:03 next topic # 3. update wiki and web-site avr 14 22:13:08 wiki: suggestions? avr 14 22:14:11 or web-site: suggestion ? avr 14 22:14:40 Not one that isn't said before :) avr 14 22:15:31 if no comment/suggestion, next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ? avr 14 22:16:15 item # 1 - laying some foundations or ubuntu-be needs a structure and an organization avr 14 22:16:43 * jurgen_ (~jurgen@94-227-10-80.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be avr 14 22:16:55 any comment about the proposal? and about the irl meeting ? avr 14 22:17:00 * jurgentje est parti (Read error: Connection reset by peer) avr 14 22:17:07 * jurgen_ s'appelle maintenant Jurgentje avr 14 22:17:23 sorry, got a disconnect avr 14 22:17:32 I'd like to see someone else who also has access to the U-be bank account.. avr 14 22:17:33 I had a suggestion for the website: avr 14 22:18:18 Jurgentje ? avr 14 22:18:23 maybe have a small poll: what are the reasons for you not participating in the IRC-meetings? (options: I don't know IRC - I don't have time - topics don't interest me - I know nobody - etc...) avr 14 22:19:17 that could be a good thing to do.. avr 14 22:19:34 more options: I don't speak English well enough - topics go too slow - ... avr 14 22:19:40 on the other hand, I don't know if having many people on this meeting would result in a better meeting.. avr 14 22:19:41 "I didn't know there were IRC meetings" ;) avr 14 22:19:49 ^ lol indeed avr 14 22:20:02 voila... just so we can figure out how we can improve the community feeling/activity avr 14 22:20:09 peopel should be able to check multiple options then avr 14 22:20:21 yep, indeed avr 14 22:20:55 jurgentje, can you make a bug out of it on the launchpad? avr 14 22:20:58 I think this kind of form kan be made pretty easily in Drupal (I know how to do it in Joomla, but I'm not a Drupal expert avr 14 22:21:26 yeah, I'm sure there are plugins for that, if it isn't built-in already avr 14 22:21:30 it can be done but I don't think I can do the multipple box checking.. :) avr 14 22:21:41 are tehre any drupal "experts" here? avr 14 22:21:44 well, not as a poll, but as a form avr 14 22:22:18 afaik pierre uses drupal in his work.. :) avr 14 22:22:25 what is the aim of the poll or form ? do you hope an improvement for the planned meeting ? avr 14 22:22:37 yes, but pierre doesn't have a lot of time ;) avr 14 22:22:52 indeed.. avr 14 22:23:08 the aim is to know why people don't participate in this meeting - which is concidered as a key meeting in our community avr 14 22:23:16 Well he send me a link on twitter about a project with the drupal community.. I'm planning on looking in to it avr 14 22:23:43 (as drupal is worlds No. 1 CMS and A belgian product!) avr 14 22:23:44 stupid question: what's the launchpad page to submit a bug to Ubuntu-be? avr 14 22:23:59 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium avr 14 22:25:35 1 more thing about the team layout.. avr 14 22:26:16 how many people announced a participation to the meeting ? avr 14 22:26:37 how do you mean jean? avr 14 22:27:08 I used to be against a fix commitment time for a member with serious tasks, but the more I think about it, the more I like it. avr 14 22:27:16 I think 4 or 5 ... avr 14 22:27:58 You can't say what you'll be doing in 1 year, so having some kind of fix date to resign (or reapply) would be good to keep active people in all functions.. avr 14 22:28:37 +1 avr 14 22:29:19 obviously not all volunteers must commit for a year... only the "leadership team" should be pretty reliable. avr 14 22:29:47 indeed.. avr 14 22:30:30 I mean, not everyone keeps having time to volunteer with U-be, giving them a fix time frame to work with isn't a bad thing.. avr 14 22:31:51 okay... is there anyone disagreeing on this point? avr 14 22:31:58 imho new email repeating the invitation is necessary - for the meeting, 8 to 10 people, including key functions, is enough avr 14 22:32:31 Okay... I'll send a new mail right now... and attach a doodle to it :) avr 14 22:33:25 JanC any idea about the meeting ? avr 14 22:37:50 other comment about this item ? avr 14 22:38:09 organization and meeting ? avr 14 22:38:40 JanC : any comment ? avr 14 22:39:20 I think he's afkg avr 14 22:39:22 *afk avr 14 22:39:56 are there other questions not in the agenda ? (except next meeting) avr 14 22:40:59 sorry, back avr 14 22:41:06 :p avr 14 22:41:08 wouter: is the issue of "1 year commitments" already on the wiki page? avr 14 22:41:28 are we talkign about moving the IRL meeting to another date? avr 14 22:41:35 nope avr 14 22:41:53 sorry didn't read that apperantly.. avr 14 22:41:57 ah, because of the doodle avr 14 22:42:25 nope, just to get a clear view on who's coming. avr 14 22:43:36 okay ☺ avr 14 22:43:55 please add your names too :) avr 14 22:44:30 other comment on the meeting or other questions ? avr 14 22:45:01 about the meeting :p avr 14 22:45:20 ? avr 14 22:45:21 do we meet at the station or does someone come to pick up those who come by train? :p avr 14 22:46:29 I think Jurgentje said he could pick people up if needed avr 14 22:47:03 yep, I can go by the station... Goedele can open the door if nobody is here yet. (but she probably won't stay as she's not that into Ubuntu avr 14 22:47:29 good night avr 14 22:47:37 good night avr 14 22:47:59 gn avr 14 22:48:05 good night avr 14 22:48:07 if no question, ... last topic, next irc meeting ? is it possible on thursday 21/04/2011 at 21 h. ? avr 14 22:48:22 ok for me.. :) avr 14 22:48:30 * sylvaintechnic est parti (Remote host closed the connection) avr 14 22:48:34 ok for me. avr 14 22:49:10 JanC ? avr 14 22:50:24 end of meeting, bye lofty40, thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !