IRC meeting 27/05/2009
(12:51:00) #ubuntu-be: Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2009-05-27 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information

(21:00:43) sarduwie [n=sven@57.203-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:03:37) jean7491: hello everybody, who is here for ubuntu-be irc weekly meeting ?
(21:03:50) pvandewyngaerde: i
(21:04:01) jean7491: 1
(21:04:08) d1ogenes: i am
(21:04:10) jean7491: 2
(21:04:14) Wamukota: i am 2
(21:04:21) jean7491: 3
(21:06:57) JanC: o/
(21:07:02) pvandewyngaerde: ping Gh0sty
(21:09:50) d1ogenes: hello?
(21:10:31) jean7491: let's start at 21.15 h.
(21:10:37) d1ogenes: k
(21:14:57) Gh0sty: pong
(21:15:06) d1ogenes a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving")
(21:15:30) Gh0sty: 4,5 ofzoiets :p
(21:15:43) jean7491: let's start with topic 1. follow up Dipro Fair in Antwerpen 
(21:16:09) jean7491: report + pictures have been posted in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerpen_2009-05-24 
(21:16:39) jean7491: it was a success event, despite bad place for the booth and last minute problem with volunteers - the booth was run by 2 from ostende and 1 from antwerpen). 
(21:17:17) jean7491: special thanks to matthew and willem !
(21:17:28) Wamukota: so except with volunteers all went well.
(21:18:04) jean7491: indeed, a lot of visitors, contacts and s.o.
(21:18:34) Wamukota: what were the questions they posed?
(21:18:34) jean7491: a few lessons learned for the next dipro fairs ...
(21:18:51) JanC: I think we can't keep the "West-Flemish team" running around the country
(21:19:18) jean7491: questions : mostly cohabitation win-ubuntu
(21:20:01) jean7491: and a lot of general presentations and demos
(21:20:29) Wamukota: based on the experieces what is the minimum crew needed to run a dipro booth?
(21:20:44) Jurgentje [n=Jurgentj@94-225-21-90.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:20:54) jean7491: JanC "West-Flemish team" cannot be everywhere !
(21:21:30) jean7491: for big fairs like ghent and antwerpen, we need to plan with 6 volunteers, and can do it with less if last minute problem occurs. for other fairs, 4 volunteers can do the work 
(21:22:09) Gh0sty: i could jump in for ghent perhaps sometimes ...
(21:22:18) jean7491: dipro fairs are a easy way to promote ubuntu: firstly ubuntu must be present and more visible for the public with banner, posters, tux and a nice booth, secondly we have the opportunity to address a large public with information and demos. 
(21:22:24) Gh0sty: but antwerp I don't know, like parking etc ... :/
(21:22:46) Gh0sty: Gent i know enough to find a parking spot close which I can stay for half a day ;)
(21:23:08) Gh0sty: from that "support for posters" on the wiki
(21:23:14) Wamukota: but 10 dipro fairs in the second half of the year, it too much for a small crew like ours
(21:23:30) Gh0sty: something with a couple of pieces of wood and a nail or 2 ?:/
(21:24:08) jean7491: dipro fairs : it means we have to be everywhere if possible and visible for the public
(21:24:09) Wamukota: it is almost 50 man days of effort for us
(21:24:38) jean7491: we speak later about the poster support !
(21:24:59) jean7491: first a few words about the booth ...
(21:25:09) Wamukota: ok, we must be everywhere, but is the result worth the effort?
(21:25:12) Wamukota: k
(21:25:19) Gh0sty: gent and wieze are doable from here, those I did myself in the past, but the rest ... :/
(21:25:34) jean7491: we need at least 3 tables in front, enough depth to install screen and posters and a location close to the entrance (if possible) 
(21:26:00) jean7491: JanC - it is something for dipro, if possible
(21:26:32) jean7491: but it is in function of the available surface of the fair !
(21:27:46) Wamukota: do we have our own tables?
(21:28:01) jean7491: no, dipro mat.
(21:28:06) Wamukota: k
(21:28:30) Wamukota: so the only stuff we bring along is our stuff
(21:29:18) JanC: jean74911: officially we have 4m booth, how much did you get?
(21:29:41) Carroarmato00 [n=christop@173.177-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:29:47) jean7491: our stuff : hardware, promo mat. + deco mat.conclusion for a'pen : very positive !
(21:30:13) jean7491: JanC : 2 tables (2m) = 4 m.
(21:30:27) JanC: if we need more, we'll have to pay more...
(21:30:45) JanC: which is probably no problem
(21:31:14) jean7491: in ghent, bredene, kortrijk, ... we had at least 3 tables, 
(21:31:41) JanC: yeah, I guess if they are not "sold out" they give more to avoid empty places ;)
(21:32:15) jean7491: it was the 1st time i saw we lacked work surface 
(21:32:20) svg [n=svg@78-21-189-131.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:32:34) JanC: so maybe something to think about next time
(21:32:42) JanC: for Antwerp fair
(21:33:11) jean7491: next a'pen fair is in another location antwerp expo
(21:34:48) jean7491: by the way, i already have 4 names of people who said they are ok for the next a'pen fair
(21:35:19) hfsdo: jean74911: normally i will be there too
(21:35:37) jean7491: 3 in a'pen and 1 30 km from there
(21:36:00) Jurgentje: I'll be trying to be there in Mechelen, and maybe in Antwerp too if it's on a date that works out for me
(21:36:06) Jurgentje: (I'm pretty taken in the weekends)
(21:36:18) jean7491: we start with the next fair mid-august
(21:37:01) jean7491: and it is a way to jump in topic # 2 Other (next) events
(21:38:16) jean7491: program of dipro fairs september to december is posted in the wiki 
(21:39:05) jean7491: ubuntu-be booth can easily be organized in ghent, ostende and kortrijk : we will have enough volunteers !
(21:39:58) jean7491: booth in antwerpen is possible if additional volunteers from ubuntu-be show up in addition to my 4 names
(21:40:35) JanC: Bruges is no problem either, but there weren't many visitors there...
(21:41:04) hfsdo: i will normally be on the antwerp fair as volunteer
(21:41:23) jean7491: for charleroi, genk, hasselt and mechelen, we will need volunteers and someone who take the lead for the organisation (not from W. Fanders team). 
(21:41:58) jean7491: and here are the problems !
(21:42:07) JanC: well, we can help them from the west-flanders team to prepare and such
(21:42:54) Gh0sty: there is nobody here from around hasselt/genk ?
(21:42:55) svg a quitté le salon (quit: "Quitting, bye")
(21:43:04) Gh0sty: cause those locations is the other side of belgium :/
(21:43:17) JanC: Gh0sty: even more so for us ;)
(21:43:25) Gh0sty: yes i know :p
(21:43:30) hfsdo: if all goes well i will be studying there next school year
(21:43:45) Gh0sty: not saying that ... but would make sense to ask people from around that location no? :p
(21:43:56) jean7491: first, for people who are already volunteers, please add your names in the wiki !
(21:44:05) Gh0sty: like who were there to organise the ubuntu releaseparty in hasselt? :/
(21:44:46) siegie [n=quassel@unaffiliated/siegie] a rejoint le salon.
(21:44:58) Gh0sty: if you speak of the devil! :p
(21:45:17) JanC: siegie: where do you live again? ツ
(21:45:17) Gh0sty: ofnee toch niet :/
(21:45:21) Gh0sty: *unsure*
(21:45:33) Gh0sty: was thinking around hasselt but could be mistaken
(21:45:39) JanC: I think it was around Antwerp
(21:46:03) JanC: or the "Kempen"
(21:46:22) siegie: JanC: near turnhout.
(21:46:41) JanC: see, near Antwerp & the Kempen :-)
(21:47:22) jean7491: we have months to find these people who will lead the fairs
(21:47:22) JanC: siegie we were talking about volunteers for ubuntu booths @ dipro fairs
(21:47:24) Carroarmato0 a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
(21:48:07) jean7491: to help starting the organization of the fairs, the wiki has been completed with a kind of check-list : see example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Ghent_2009-09-06 
(21:49:00) siegie: JanC: I have exams at the moment, so i don't have much time.
(21:49:21) JanC: siegie: it's for after the summer vacation
(21:49:31) siegie: nice :)
(21:49:35) JanC: siegie: if you have any ideas about finding volunteers, in Antwerp, Mechelen, Genk and/or Hasselt...
(21:50:07) JanC: because having people from Ostend drive to Antwerp is a bit silly
(21:50:43) siegie: I think we should use the ubuntu-nl forum to find volunteers,
(21:51:09) jean7491: for a'pen, it was not a success !
(21:51:24) JanC: jean74911: did you use the forum or only the ubuntu-nl map?
(21:52:11) jean7491: i posted in the ubuntu-nl forum a topic, read +/- 50x, but no reaction
(21:52:11) siegie: http://kaart.ubuntu-nl.org/ > there are many members from around antwerp
(21:53:42) jean7491: http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu-nl/vrijwilligers-gevraagd-voor-computer-beurs-in-antwerpen-(belgie)-op-24052009/
(21:53:57) siegie: 50 times is not verry much in a forum with 16000 member
(21:54:51) jean7491: correction 78x
(21:55:42) jean7491: about the organization of activities : we have the ubuntu-be events-team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be-events 
(21:55:57) JanC: still not much "reads", I suppose most people don't really want to be a volunteer, or are affraid to volunteer
(21:56:31) JanC: maybe candidate booth volunteers should be asked to become members
(21:56:41) siegie: or are afraid that they don't know anyone
(21:56:52) JanC: then we don't have to send email through the maps
(21:57:54) jean7491: the ubuntu-be events-team is now composed of 3 persons from w. Flanders 
(21:58:29) jean7491: but it should be completed with members from the others provinces. 
(21:58:37) JanC: siegie: that's one of the things I mean when I say afraid to volunteer: don't know people, fear they won't be good enough, think they will have to be responsible, ...
(21:59:29) JanC: while e.g. jean74911 certainly isn't a "ubuntu guru" either
(21:59:33) Wamukota: so at least an expert user must always be at hand during a public venue
(21:59:38) Jurgentje: JanC: I'm a little reluctant to volunteer, because I'm willing to help on occasions, but I'm not ready to be expected on every fair in the province because we don't have enough volunteers
(22:00:14) JanC: Jurgentje: please become a member of the team then, we can't force you to volunteer on 1 specific day
(22:00:27) siegie: Wamukota: how do you define expert user?
(22:00:40) Jurgentje: JanC: I was going to be there in Antwerp but my wife had a car accident Saturday last
(22:00:57) Gh0sty: i got kicked from the ubuntu team i think :(
(22:01:13) JanC: what we need is a list of maybe 10 people or more per province who we can contact
(22:01:31) Wamukota: siegie: someone who can answer the questions most new users ask, like co-existance win-buntu and so on
(22:01:37) Gh0sty: but i'm reluctant to put my location on the map :)
(22:02:04) JanC: Gh0sty: membership expires if you don't answer the renewal mails, in many teams ;)
(22:02:29) JanC: Gh0sty: location might be rough ("ghent")
(22:02:56) Gh0sty: renewal mails?
(22:03:05) Gh0sty: i only got a mail "you have been removed from team ubuntu
(22:03:11) Gh0sty: never got anything else afaik :|
(22:04:35) Jurgentje: JanC: okido, put me on that list for Flemish-Brabant (and Antwerp)
(22:05:03) d1ogenes [n=steven@78-22-141-252.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(22:05:13) hfsdo: JanC: you can put me on that list for antwerp
(22:05:15) JanC: Gh0sty: like this http://ubuntu-be.pastebin.com/d116ff45d
(22:05:53) jean7491: in fact we need 2 kind of volunteers : ...
(22:06:00) JanC: hfsdo / Jurgentje : you can easily become a member if you have a launchpad account
(22:06:13) jean7491: 1. in each province 2-3 people willing to take initiatives to start organizing activities, to complete the events-team, 
(22:06:19) jean7491: 2. locally people who can spend some time to explain ubuntu and help in booths. 
(22:06:25) hfsdo: JanC: i just applies to the events team
(22:06:42) Jurgentje: JanC: I think I actaully already am (I was there on some translating of the new Ubuntu-be pages)
(22:06:50) d1ogenes: count me in for nr 2 in east-flanders
(22:07:16) JanC: Gh0sty: "team ubuntu" ?
(22:08:31) Gh0sty: ja ofzoiets
(22:08:35) Gh0sty: of ubuntu-be mss
(22:08:38) Gh0sty: dont remember
(22:10:15) JanC: normaal krijg je een aantal dagen voor die "expired" een mail om te renewen
(22:10:41) sarduwie a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
(22:11:31) jean7491: has someone contacts in charleroi ?
(22:12:15) JanC: there some peopel from that region on the list
(22:14:15) jean7491: in the next 3 months we could develop the events-team to become a leading group in ubuntu activities
(22:15:20) d1ogenes: anybody thought of making a facebook group for ubuntu-be?
(22:15:43) JanC: d1ogenes: feel free, but don't expect me there ;)
(22:15:58) Jurgentje: Okay... so I'm already member of "Belgian Local Community Team" for a while.
(22:15:58) bbartek [n=urban@dD576B9F9.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
(22:16:01) JanC: it's nice as community-thing maybe
(22:16:06) Wamukota: you won't see me on Facebook
(22:16:07) d1ogenes: a lot of ubuntu groups there, you know
(22:16:09) Jurgentje: d1ogenes: give me a note, I'll be joining :D
(22:16:45) JanC: d1ogenes: like I say, if you want to, it's certainly okay for me
(22:16:57) jean7491: we already have on identi.ca: !ubuntube and in Twitter: Ubuntu-be Twibe : see main page wiki
(22:17:11) d1ogenes: okay, i'll do so and put it on the mailing list this week
(22:17:20) JanC: right, if there is a facebook group, please add it there
(22:17:21) Wamukota: I have already created a Orkut group http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=90125388
(22:17:31) Wamukota: we have 5 members
(22:18:26) pvandewyngaerde a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
(22:18:46) Wamukota: ubuntu-nl has also an orkut group with 13 members
(22:18:52) JanC: I could start a group on linkedin, but I don't want to become a member on a zilion sites ツ
(22:19:09) Wamukota: i just deleted my linkedin account
(22:19:10) Wamukota: lol
(22:19:12) jean7491: why do we have on identi.ca: !ubuntube and in Twitter: Ubuntu-be Twibe ?, i've no idea
(22:19:29) JanC: jean74911: it's nice for the people who use it
(22:19:34) d1ogenes: question: is it a problem to use dutch language for the group? to stand out from other and to attract local user it could be advisable to use dutch on facebook?
(22:19:40) JanC: other people can jus tignore it
(22:20:04) JanC: d1ogenes: you can hardly call it ubuntu-be then
(22:20:13) d1ogenes: ok point taken
(22:20:16) d1ogenes: :-)
(22:20:17) Wamukota: maybe ubuntu-be-nl
(22:21:15) Wamukota: my experience on seniorennet is that although many of them use ubuntu, they do not know English very well
(22:21:29) Jurgentje: how about "Belgen met Ubuntu" ... and then "Belges avec Ubuntu" ;)
(22:21:36) Wamukota: so if we wiant 50+ people in our midts, dustch must be an option
(22:22:15) JanC: Wamukota: an ubuntu-group on seniorennet can be Dutch of course ;)
(22:22:33) JanC: and really, I prefer groups to be multilingual
(22:22:45) Wamukota: if you want I can ask the members of our seniorennet Linux mailgroup if some of them are willing to join us
(22:22:59) JanC: it's just that meetings & discussions in 4 languages mixed doesn't work
(22:23:30) Jurgentje: well... "one group" must be multilingual... but then again: a foreign language (English for both parts of our country) hightens the threshold
(22:23:38) JanC: a meeting or mails to prepare a dipro booth can be in Dutch without any problem
(22:23:49) JanC: (or French)
(22:25:17) jean7491: something else about the topic "other events" ? if no, next topic ?
(22:25:22) Jurgentje: I mean a groups on f.e. Facebook, or come "community building" group... is doomed to be in a foreign language. This hinders the community element
(22:25:28) JanC: Jurgentje: I don't care what language people use when communicating informally, the thing we really use English for is to coordinate ubuntu-be
(22:25:48) JanC: it's not like we speak English at dipro fairs much ;-)
(22:26:13) Wamukota: let's move on then
(22:26:17) JanC: Jurgentje: can't you use multiple languages on facebook?
(22:27:12) JanC: (I don't really have a clue how facebook works)
(22:27:32) Jurgentje: sure, but (like in the mailing list) seeing all that foreign language alienates...
(22:28:08) Jurgentje: this isn't really connected to "facebook" but more to creating a "laagdrempelige community"
(22:28:11) ***JanC doesn't understand why it alienates
(22:28:18) Jurgentje: (sorry, don't know the english word)
(22:28:36) JanC: I have music in Russian, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, etc., doesn't alienate me :P
(22:28:39) d1ogenes: it has been done: facebook group is created
(22:28:49) d1ogenes: with a tagline in english
(22:29:09) Jurgentje: JanC: do you interact with your music?
(22:29:22) d1ogenes: it has one member: me :-p
(22:29:27) JanC: it's 1-way communication fro mthe artist to me
(22:29:57) Wamukota: ring ring ... next topic please
(22:30:22) Jurgentje: okay... other topic (btw... 2 members now)
(22:30:34) jean7491: i suggest we go ahead with the agenda of the meeting : the question of facebook and equivalent can be put at the agenda of a future meeting
(22:30:59) d1ogenes: okay
(22:31:16) jean7491: topic #3 contact with other linux users groups and computer clubs 
(22:32:06) Wamukota: for your information, I am the mentor of the Linux mailgroup in Seniorennet
(22:32:19) jean7491: idea is with better contacts with other groups we could improve actively our actions and promotion
(22:32:21) Wamukota: so, all w.r.t 50+ people can go through me
(22:32:40) hfsdo a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving")
(22:33:16) jean7491: for example we could cooperate to organize common booth in some occasions or exchange information about events on both sides
(22:34:10) Wamukota: is there any interest in people from seniorennet? What could our mailgroep and community at Seniorennet do for ubuntu-be?
(22:34:24) d1ogenes: we could do a mailing to computerclubs if they would be interested to get a ubuntu info session and demo
(22:34:46) meland a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
(22:34:57) jean7491: in the who is who ubuntu-be, there are names of coordinators with other clibs (janC?)
(22:35:16) jean7491: lugs and clubs
(22:36:36) JanC: jean74911: I am on the interlug mailing list, which is supposed to group all Belgian LUGs but is mostly French-language now
(22:36:36) jean7491: seniorennet : we could inform about our activities !
(22:37:04) Wamukota: jean74911, ok. i will mail them about our future events and our activities
(22:37:12) JanC: Wamukota: what's the technical level on your list?
(22:37:20) Jurgentje: I'm in HCC Mechelen (actually I was introduced as an "Ubuntu guy" ... because I discovered HCC on the mailinglist... kinda funny: there's more wizz ubuntu guys there than I knew before)
(22:37:41) Wamukota: JanC, at seniorennet the level is low to medium knowledge
(22:37:54) JanC: what's low or medium ツ
(22:38:28) JanC: Jurgentje: so you're our liason with HCC Mechelen then ツ
(22:38:50) Jurgentje: just a member now
(22:38:52) siegie: Wamukota: If they use it and they are happy with ubuntu, it good enough?
(22:39:00) JanC: and Wamukota is liason with linux-senioren
(22:39:07) jean7491: janC - is cedric still active with ubuntu ? on the french speaking side ?
(22:39:26) Wamukota: I will report back about the interest of our group at sennet
(22:39:31) JanC: jean74911: not very active, but probably willing to help with some things
(22:39:52) JanC: jean74911: I think he's from Charleroi region?
(22:39:59) Wamukota: janc: oke for liason
(22:39:59) jean7491: for example dipro charleroi ?
(22:40:44) JanC: jean74911: don't know if he can/will organize that (work, family, ...) but you can ask, maybe he knows someone else
(22:41:21) JanC: Jurgentje: our liason = you are our "communication channel"
(22:41:47) jean7491: JanC - i though about cooperation with local lugs for a booth
(22:41:51) JanC: eh, liaison
(22:42:11) JanC: jean74911: or computer clubs maybe
(22:42:47) JanC: might be possible to get help from the Hasselt release party computer club too
(22:43:32) jean7491: JanC - ok i will email to cedric about ubuntu-be
(22:44:50) jean7491: we could ask in the mailing list who has contact with lugs and computer clubs and is ready to interface/liaison for contacts? 
(22:45:51) Wamukota: gents, i will leave you now
(22:45:54) d1ogenes: http://computer-club.start.be/
(22:45:57) Wamukota: cu later
(22:45:58) JanC: I've been looking at clubs in Bruges, but I don't really feel like paying to become a member of a club where I probably would be the person to give support mostly :P
(22:46:11) Wamukota a quitté le salon (quit: "Tot laters")
(22:46:46) Gh0sty: lol :)
(22:47:02) Jurgentje: if I'm correct, Willem Huysmans (chairman HCC Mechelen) is already in the Ubuntu-be mailinglist. I'm pretty sure I would be liaison
(22:47:40) JanC: Jurgentje: well, he can be liaison too if he wants, just to know who we can contact who's a member of both
(22:48:01) JanC: it's nice to have a list of such people
(22:48:34) JanC: (just like I'm the ubuntu-be contact for all other ubuntu projects & canonical
(22:49:06) JanC: actually, if we want, we can help set up computerclubs.be
(22:49:20) jean7491: the aim is to establish a list of point of contact with other lugs and clubs -- it does not mean that anyone has to become member of other clubs
(22:49:58) JanC: that domain is owned by a non-profit that I'm a board member of, and we want to put a list of all "computer clubs" on it, one day
(22:50:46) JanC: jean74911: right, maybe i can find a contact in that club in Bruges (I think I know who to ask actually)
(22:51:53) JanC: one day == when we have the time ;)
(22:52:15) jean7491: ok, next week(s) we see what we have ...
(22:52:52) d1ogenes: need to go (south park!)
(22:52:56) d1ogenes a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving")
(22:52:58) jean7491: next topic ?
(22:53:21) jean7491: a short review of promotion material 
(22:53:45) jean7491: a banner ubuntu-be loco team, ubuntu presentation, homemade flyers, poster « free your pc » (all in dutch and french) are available in the wiki "belgianteam/computerfairs" in paragraph "print documents and presentations" 
(22:54:28) jean7491: we still need a correct support for the posters : improvised supports are not nice to see! 
(22:54:53) Gh0sty: define improvised first? :)
(22:56:12) jean7491: in a'pen we used stcks and tape to monut something to support 3 posters, you see it on the pics, it was not so nice
(22:56:33) Gh0sty: well not sure what i see on the pictures
(22:56:39) Gh0sty: it looks like a laundry wire?
(22:56:43) Gh0sty: or am i mistaken? :/
(22:57:16) jean7491: there were sticks from a beach-tent i used for + tape
(22:57:59) Gh0sty: yes but what i was thinking if you want a laundry wire thats easy ...
(22:58:04) Gh0sty: 2 blocks with a hole
(22:58:10) Gh0sty: and a plastic electricity tube
(22:58:13) Gh0sty: voila :)
(22:58:36) Gh0sty: unless you envision something better? :)
(22:59:29) Jurgentje: plastic electricity tube bends... I think the tent poles are better then.
(22:59:47) jean7491: it could be done in do-it-yourself, but i've no possibility to do it ! if someone has idea and can do it, just do it !
(23:00:13) Gh0sty: well lets say ... I can make everything you want :P
(23:00:18) Gh0sty: if you give me specs :)
(23:00:43) Gh0sty: home is basicly an electronics, wood and metal workshop :)
(23:01:00) Jurgentje: how about "screw-one" thin bars... so you have 3 small bars that you can screw together to a pole
(23:01:15) Jurgentje: and then a block with a hole to fit it in?
(23:01:19) JanC: I know where I can get cheap wooden panels, and my father has the "devices" to build something with it
(23:01:33) JanC: or whatever way we want to build it
(23:02:07) Carroarmato00: you can always use an old floppy drive as a hammer replacement :P
(23:02:28) Gh0sty: or use Carroarmato00's head as a hammer replacement
(23:02:30) Gh0sty: *shhhttt*
(23:02:34) Carroarmato00: naah
(23:02:37) Carroarmato00: not efficient
(23:02:45) Carroarmato00: :D
(23:03:56) jean7491: we need something 2 m. high, 2 m. large, stable, easy to transport in a car, easy to mount, that can support 4 or 5 posters, and s.o.
(23:04:50) JanC: Gh0sty: that would makes stains on your carpet ;)
(23:05:13) JanC: so, no wooden panels
(23:05:23) JanC: (doesn't easily fit in a car)
(23:05:27) Gh0sty: yes it should be smaller pieces of wood
(23:05:30) Gh0sty: thinking ... :/
(23:05:48) Gh0sty: no idea how to translate but pannelatjes? :p
(23:06:12) Jurgentje: lol!
(23:06:22) Gh0sty: only wondering how to assemble it so it stays up straight and your longest part should be in 2 parts since 2 m is too large for most common cars ... :/
(23:06:49) Jurgentje: that was where I suggested "screw-on" bars ;)
(23:07:12) JanC: Gh0sty: 2m fits in most cars
(23:07:16) Gh0sty: yes but screws is a hustle :)
(23:07:23) jean7491: for the transport, parts no longer than 1,5 m, for example thin tubes bars 
(23:07:43) Carroarmato00 a quitté le salon (quit: "Sto andando via")
(23:07:50) Jurgentje: nah... I mean the one end of a pole is screw... the other end is "screw hole" ... you can just screw one into the next one
(23:07:52) JanC: 2m poles fit in my Fiat Panda...
(23:08:34) Gh0sty: you can draw that?
(23:08:38) Gh0sty: don't follow :|
(23:08:51) JanC: just put them next to the passenger seat with the backseat pulled down
(23:09:00) Gh0sty: nono not you :p
(23:09:02) Jurgentje: I'll give it a shot... moment
(23:09:05) Gh0sty: Jurgentje i mean :)
(23:09:14) jean7491: but if you add in your panda hardware, deco mat, screen, ... + volunteers without cars
(23:09:26) Gh0sty: JanC: a piece through the front windshield ?:P
(23:09:56) Gh0sty: for convenience i agree that max size is 1.5 m
(23:10:08) Gh0sty: that is easy to handle, fits in most trunks sideways and so on ...
(23:10:41) JanC: jean74911: if I need to transport it, I can obvious transport at most 1 extra volunteer (when I don't put down the backseat but lay the poles on top of it)
(23:11:51) jean7491: i was thinking about my move to a'pen, my car was full
(23:11:52) JanC: jean74911: your car can easily handle 2 or 3 volunteers + hardware + a couple of 2m poles ツ
(23:13:10) JanC: (i don't say it would be the most comfortable trip...)
(23:13:47) jean7491: 2 m long, i've to close the backseats, ... + your screen (we did not use)
(23:14:31) jean7491: ok if someone has a project and can do it, please mail me !
(23:15:31) Jurgentje: okay... a pic of the poles: http://www.freesoftwaretalk.org/ubuntu-be/pijlers.svg ... or http://www.freesoftwaretalk.org/ubuntu-be/pijlers.png
(23:16:08) Gh0sty: sorry ff naar NL :p
(23:16:15) Gh0sty: moet het nen wasdraad worden?
(23:16:21) Gh0sty: of een rechthoek ofzo?
(23:16:49) Jurgentje: "een wasdraad" ... or even better: a rectangle (a T-profile instead of a wire?)
(23:17:28) Gh0sty: blijven uw posters dan wel hangen moeten ze niet verzwaard worden? :/
(23:17:54) Jurgentje: hmmm... I get your point
(23:18:06) JanC: is oplosbaar, gewoon rekening mee houden
(23:18:29) jean7491: posters kunnen normaal hangen, no problem, ok, i wait for projects, but i've to go, but before for the next meeting, same day, same hour ? i did not heard anything else
(23:18:50) Gh0sty: sure just ping me :p
(23:18:55) Gh0sty: i'll be around ;)
(23:19:06) jean7491: ok
(23:19:25) Jurgentje: I'll try to be here next week too (but not always around at time)
(23:19:47) jean7491: JanC - ok?
(23:20:35) Gh0sty: ik was aant denken aan een paar los staande vormen alla dit:
(23:20:53) bbartek a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
(23:20:53) Gh0sty: ----------I-----------
(23:20:57) Gh0sty: ja lap
(23:22:13) Jurgentje a quitté le salon (quit: )
(23:22:18) jean7491: JanC - bye