IRC meeting on 02/09/2009
(21:00:00) #ubuntu-be: Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2009-09-02 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
(21:03:44) jean7491: Hello everybody, who is here for the meeting?
(21:03:51) JanC: o/
(21:03:51) willem7 [n=willem@d54C5A9F0.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le
salon.
(21:04:09) mimor: I am
(21:04:15) mimor: (almost forgot about it)
(21:04:17) kws: I'm just here for the details regarding the dipro event
(21:04:25) kws: still working  :( 
(21:04:33) JanC: kws = ?
(21:04:44) kws: kenneth westelinck aja  :) 
(21:05:03) jean7491: ;-)kws
(21:05:20) Wamukota: oke
(21:05:54) JanC: voor de duidelijkheid, je hebt je echte naam ook niet
in whois en zo   ;) 
(21:06:33) kws: ik ben maar nen simpele java developer hé  ;) 
(21:06:38) kws: neen dus
(21:07:46) willem7: hallo, IRC is totaal nieuw voor mij, maar ik hoop
evt. vragen i.v.m. de Software Freedom Day te kunnen beantwoorden
(21:08:23) jean7491: hfsdo, Gh0sty, nero1? welcome willem7
(21:09:27) jean7491: Lets'start with the topic #1 Future events (September)
(21:10:28) jean7491: 06/09 Dipro Ghent, Matthew has the lead, and i
think everything is going well
(21:11:04) Gh0sty: *ack*
(21:11:33) kws: juist, ik moet nog om dat scherm
(21:11:53) kws: zal voor zaterdag zijn
(21:12:16) jean7491: did you had contact with guy?
(21:12:34) kws: not yet, is a very busy workweek here  :( 
(21:12:44) kws: I'll call him tomorrow
(21:12:55) jean7491: or perhaps just a mail
(21:13:04) jean7491: up to you
(21:13:12) kws: now that's an idea  :) 
(21:13:54) jean7491: Matthew is ready for an irc coordination tomorrow
at 21 h. (if needed)
(21:14:41) kws: yes, I know, but hopefully I will be very drunk then
attending a BBQ  :) 
(21:15:03) jean7491:  ;-) 
(21:15:18) jean7491: if no other point, going to 13/09 dipro in antwerp
(21:17:05) jean7491: the team and the organization are ok, i don't
expect problem (cross your fingers), question for a'pen?
(21:17:40) koentje [i=5bb6bd9c@gateway/web/freenode/x-mckkfimsyjqtarau]
a rejoint le salon.
(21:19:00) JanC: jean7491: any of my equipment needed for Antwerp?
(21:20:36) mimor: apparently not  :) 
(21:20:54) jean7491: no, perhaps a few cd's and pen's, hardware is ok,
there still the problem of hanging/support for posters, but no solution ...
(21:21:17) jean7491: but i will find a way ...
(21:21:58) jean7491: next events: for the we 19-20/09, we have more to
do with 2 activities (accenta2009 in ghent) and hcc vlaanderen open door
+ sfd in wezembeek oppem
(21:22:01) JanC: if we're along a wall that's no issue  ツ
(21:22:12) jean7491:  ;-) 
(21:22:34) jean7491: let's start with wezembeek oppem
(21:23:04) willem7: any questions regarding accomodation?
(21:23:14) JanC: willem7 = Willem Huysmans of HCC Vlaanderen
(21:23:53) mimor: JanC, I could get a ride from you right?
(21:24:16) jean7491: yes willem! ± the same as dipro booth: 4 people,
2 tables, hardware, decoratie, promo material. mimor wait!
(21:24:19) JanC: mimor: if you don't want to be at Accenta instead?
(21:24:28) mimor: oh righ ><
(21:24:35) mimor: Overlooked the dates  :( 
(21:24:53) jean7491: don't forget martine!
(21:25:03) JanC: I expect 2-4 volunteers for SFD
(21:25:17) mimor: jean7491, I don't  :) 
(21:25:18) JanC: # tables depends on their size and available space  ツ
(21:25:56) JanC: willem7: are tables decorated or do we need to bring
something ourselves?
(21:28:00) willem7: we have ? 7 dark blue clothes 2 x 2.8 m
(21:28:15) willem7: we also received some promotional stuff (mainly
ubuntu cd's) from the SFD organisation
(21:28:55) jean7491: and how many tables for your open door : more than 7?
(21:30:10) willem7: I'll arrange two decorated tables for ubuntu-be
(21:30:22) JanC: willem7: any other organisations that will have a stand?
(21:30:30) jean7491: :)thanks
(21:31:21) willem7: anyone suggestions for organisations and/or
communities we can ask?
(21:32:49) JanC: willem7: did you contact gnome-nl, kde-nl, ooo-nl,
mozilla-nl, wikipedia-nl, python-nl, debian-nl, mandriva-nl, fedora-nl,
etc.?  ツ
(21:34:10) willem7: tomorrow i will raise a press release (and contact
these organisations)
(21:34:10) JanC: and maybe flemish lugs + bxlug (is bilingual I think?)
(21:34:50) willem7: i think there is another SFD event in BXL
(21:35:13) JanC: ah, right, by bxlug, I forgot  :P
(21:35:21) jean7491: posters: willem7, do you have special posters
sfd?     i suggest we prepare an ubuntu-be - sfd poster (to be printed
in a few ex. (Wamukota!)
(21:35:58) Wamukota: no props for printing posters
(21:36:30) willem7: If someone has some pdf or odf, I can print A3
(21:36:52) jean7491: Wamukota : props=problems?
(21:37:15) Wamukota: yup no problem for printing posters up to size A0
(21:37:55) jean7491: thanks willem7, we have the ressource for printing
(21:39:18) jean7491: willem7 are you expecting french-speaking visitors?
we could put some promotion material in french? posters and flyers
(21:39:53) JanC: it's "HCC Vlaanderen", so probably not many?
(21:40:04) kws a quitté le salon
(21:40:34) JanC: OTOH, Wezembeek-Oppem has a lot of people from the EU
who speak French, German, English, etc. ツ
(21:41:14) willem7: some of our visitors in Wezembeek are French
speaking, but presentations are always Dutch
(21:41:39) JanC: willem7: I think it's a bit late to contact the
organisations I listed, but _maybe_ some of them can send someone
(21:43:15) jean7491: of course most will be in dutch,        ... but we
could put some material in french (and eventually english) (german is
more difficult but possible)
(21:45:01) jean7491: JanC, willem7, other questions for Wez. opp. ?
(21:45:20) JanC: there is a German school in Wezembeek, but I have no
idea how open that community is  ツ
(21:45:52) JanC: I will ask questions to willem7 via mail if needed (and
he can mail me too)
(21:45:59) willem7: evnet starts at 14.00u - at what time does everybody
arrive?
(21:46:23) JanC: you mean our people?
(21:46:52) willem7: do you need time for setup
(21:47:23) jean7491: for dipro fair, we need 1 hour set-up, i suppose it
wil be the same? JanC?
(21:47:54) JanC: well, 30min at least, but if it's difficult, we can
start that at 14h too...
(21:47:54) willem7: for me OK, thx
(21:48:37) JanC: willem7: will you be there before 14h?
(21:49:04) willem7: people from the organisation will be there before 13.00u
(21:49:29) Carroarmato0_
[n=Carroarm@211.205-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] a rejoint le salon.
(21:49:55) JanC: okay, if we're a bit early, we can always help you a
bit  ツ
(21:50:16) willem7: thanks
(21:50:47) jean7491: ok, next event :   19-20/09 Accenta 2009 fair Ghent  
(21:52:20) jean7491: after contact with the organisator (digipolis), we
will use approx. the same set-up as for dipro fairs ...
(21:53:35) jean7491: about volunteers, we need (minimum) 2 x 4
volunteers, as we can not expect volunteers working 2 days in the we!
(21:54:44) jean7491: via mimor, i am asking more details about the
location and set-up of the booth
(21:55:14) Gh0sty: too bad, just the wrong weekend for me ...
(21:55:25) Gh0sty: i was willing to do 2 days etc but not that weekend :x
(21:55:29) mimor: How many people are already volunteering?
(21:55:52) Carroarmato0 a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 60
(Operation timed out))
(21:56:10) jean7491: we certainly need to do more for a correct
presentation of the booth --- Gh0sty: indeed the wrong we!
(21:57:14) jean7491: about volunteers, i will come 1 day, pieter 1 or 2
days, we will see for others (mimor, kws?) ...
(21:57:42) mimor: I'll be there
(21:57:44) Carroarmato0_ est désormais connu sous le nom de Carroarmato0
(21:57:44) Gh0sty: man
(21:57:48) Gh0sty: could come that sunday
(21:57:58) Gh0sty: but that would mean i cant go out till 6am :p
(21:58:04) Gh0sty: difficulties :p
(21:58:27) mimor: If people want free-tickets to have their
family/friends pay us a visit: I have 2  ;) 
(21:59:07) Gh0sty: I actually wanted to come to keep the booth open and
go visit also at a point in time when the booth isnt so busy ... :p
(21:59:25) jean7491: Gh0sty why not? it is better for your health !
;-)you are welcome
(21:59:32) Gh0sty: but on saturday is a nono and on sunday is a
*hangover possible* nono :p
(22:00:15) jean7491: if we have enough personal, it is of course
possible to visit the fair
(22:00:57) Gh0sty: hmmm finish partying at 6 am, do an afterparty, be
there at 10am :p
(22:01:02) Gh0sty: make it a 24h :p
(22:01:26) Gh0sty: :o)
(22:01:42) jean7491: Gh0sty, you will see!!!  for mimor, an additional
problem is the security of the material during the night
(22:02:06) JanC: laptop locks might help
(22:02:22) mimor: Or you could store them at my place?
(22:02:24) JanC: jean7491: no security from the event?
(22:02:45) JanC: mimor: maybe you know that better (my last question)
(22:03:45) jean7491: i suppose there is a security, ask to martine ( i
am not speaking about laptops, but the rest) ?
(22:03:56) mimor: I'll ask her
(22:03:57) mimor:  :) 
(22:04:15) jean7491: pc, screen? deco, ...
(22:04:47) JanC: screens can maybe be secured with kensington lock too?
(22:04:57) mimor: I'll ask martine
(22:06:04) JanC: I'm pretty sure there will be a security company at night
(22:06:31) mimor: I guess so
(22:06:47) mimor: but it would be nice to be sure for sure to be sure  ;) 
(22:06:54) jean7491: with our experience of dipro fair, i think it is
possible to participate to accenta, just the security and hand-over of
the booth between 2 partially different teams  - i am optimistic, ...
yes, we can!
(22:07:45) jean7491: other question for accenta? i will prepare the
wiki-page
(22:09:20) jean7491: 19/09 is also the sfd: in accenta, we can add
something for the sfd
(22:09:37) jean7491: for example an ad-hoc poster
(22:10:51) jean7491: ok let's go to the last event (in September) 27/09
Hasselt (bbartek?)
(22:12:42) jean7491: I proposed to fabian (BitMappers) Ubuntu-be helping
with 2-3 people in their booth at dipro hasselt.
(22:12:57) jean7491: i am waiting for the answer
(22:13:24) mimor:  :) 
(22:13:34) jean7491: i already sent posters they asked for this we in
hasselt
(22:14:07) jean7491: is bbartek online?
(22:14:47) jean7491: apparently not hearing
(22:15:20) mimor: bbartek = idle 00:35:53
(22:15:45) jean7491: ok, let"s go to the next topic #3 Promotion
material New posters and flyers
(22:16:51) jean7491: New posters and flyers are ordered and delivery
forseen for friday, just on time for dipro ghent
(22:17:33) mimor: I have to say, jean, you can be rpoud of it ....
http://www.google.be/search?q=ubuntu+promotion+material&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
(22:18:58) jean7491: ;-)8-)
(22:19:32) Wamukota: gents, i'm off. I have to walk the dogs ... in the
rain  :-( 
(22:19:39) Wamukota: cu later
(22:19:56) jean7491: i will post something in the mailing list about
selling posters, bye Wamukota
(22:20:05) Wamukota: bye
(22:20:08) Wamukota a quitté le salon (quit: "Ik ga weg")
(22:20:36) jean7491: other question on this topic?
(22:20:54) mimor: jean7491, next time we can just use
http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/
(22:21:06) mimor: if you don't feel like making new ones at least
(22:21:07) mimor:  :) 
(22:22:08) JanC: mimor: it's based on one from there
(22:22:17) mimor: :D
(22:22:20) mimor: I just saw ><
(22:22:22) JanC: needs translation etc. anyway
(22:22:34) jean7491: i already posted things in spreadubuntu, have a
look in the dutch material
(22:23:10) jean7491: posters, flyers, presentation (dutch and french)! ...
(22:23:46) dieter_ [n=dieter@ip-83-134-183-233.dsl.scarlet.be] a rejoint
le salon.
(22:24:08) jean7491: hey dieter
(22:24:16) dieter_: hellow
(22:24:24) dieter_: was die IRC meeting nu vandaag of morgen?
(22:24:34) dieter_: als die vandaag was, heb ik die gemist veronderstel
ik :o
(22:24:36) dieter_:  :) 
(22:24:47) mimor: of een deel dieter_
(22:24:49) mimor:  :) 
(22:24:52) mimor: still ongoing
(22:25:00) mimor: almos the end
(22:25:01) mimor: :p
(22:25:03) jean7491: vandaag de normaal meeting, morgen voor dipro gent
(22:25:13) mimor: maar de log komt op de wiki page
(22:25:15) dieter_: ah, ok, morgen is dus het belangrijkst voor me  :) 
(22:25:36) jean7491: :)but you are welcome !
(22:25:37) dieter_: dan ga ik nu weer slapen, want morgen moet ik al om
5 u opstaan  ;) 
(22:25:50) jean7491:  ;-) 
(22:25:55) dieter_: tot morgen!
(22:26:24) jean7491: ok next topic #3 Things living in the mailing list
(mimor wrote it!)
(22:26:26) mimor: jupjup cu morgen dieter_
(22:26:35) mimor: ow right  :) 
(22:26:38) dieter_ a quitté le salon (quit: Client Quit)
(22:26:59) mimor: I did a slight copy from the mailing list to the wiki page
(22:27:08) mimor: let me grab the wiki page first
(22:27:22) jean7491: 1st point -- Participation to IRC meetings
(22:27:22) jean7491:  
(22:27:51) jean7491: how can we have more people participating?
(22:28:09) jean7491: any suggestion?
(22:28:46) mimor: I cant find the wiki page?
(22:29:22) mimor: k I found it ><
(22:29:38) jean7491: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
(22:29:51) mimor: I suggest writing a simple how-to to reach the meeting
(22:30:43) mimor: Another problem is, there are a lot of people ignoring
the mails from the mailing list I guess
(22:31:19) jean7491: 1 additional paragraph in the wiki page about irc
meetings?
(22:31:59) jean7491: paragraph explaining how-to to reach the irc meeting
(22:32:01) mimor: I was planning to write a howto for my blog after I
read someone in the mailing list that he didn't know how to get here
(22:32:13) mimor: we can then just coppy it to the wiki page  ;) 
(22:32:28) mimor: I'll try to write it tonight
(22:32:52) jean7491: ok, short and readable for non-experts!
(22:33:08) mimor: I'll cover Xchat and IRSSI
(22:33:18) mimor: Xchat should be enough for the wiki I gues
(22:33:36) jean7491: and pidgin (i use it)
(22:33:54) mimor: U use pidgin for IRC?
(22:34:07) mimor: ok, will do  ;) 
(22:34:09) JanC: there is a web chat on webchat.freenode.net too
(22:34:59) willem7: community chat on ubuntu.be did not work for me?
(22:35:00) jean7491: i use pidgin for irc!
(22:35:18) mimor: I'll write the short how-to  ;) 
(22:35:25) mimor: pidgin and xchat it is!
(22:35:54) JanC: willem7: we need to replace it, the old webchat doesn't
work anymore
(22:36:35) jean7491: there is a bug report on this
(22:36:41) mimor: This'll give me the chance to use
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/rt-messaging/chatzilla/irc-urls.html
(22:37:29) willem7: I'll never install/use a chat program, and I think
I'm not the only one - tonight using: http://java.freenode.net/
(22:38:50) jean7491: other suggestions on the point how can we have more
people participating to irc meetings?
(22:39:59) jean7491: Next point : do we need a forum for ubuntu-be? why?
(22:40:56) mimor: Connections via mibbit are no longer supported on
freenode. You may wish to consider using http://webchat.freenode.net
instead. Further information over at http://bit.ly/19JILF
(22:41:10) JanC: willem7: everybody who installs Ubuntu already has a
chat-program installed  ツ
(22:42:16) jean7491: waiting for the next point!
(22:42:39) JanC: jean7491: IMO we don't need a forum, and I'd like to
see some strong reasons to add an additional communication channel...
(22:43:04) JanC: s/to/before we/
(22:43:18) willem7: JanC: for one time use at ubuntu-be?
(22:43:23) JanC: I mean, by people who do more than only complain   ;) 
(22:43:39) bbartek a quitté le salon (quit: "Ik ga weg")
(22:44:16) JanC: willem7: obviously I don't know what operating system
you run   ;) 
(22:46:35) mimor: I think a forum would be nice
(22:46:54) JanC: mimor: but why ?
(22:46:56) mimor: but don't we already have ubuntu-nl forum and the
section on the ubuntuforums.org?
(22:46:57) willem7: JanC: typing on XP and on my desk a netbook with UNR
and a notebook with Ubuntu (dualboot W7 RTM)
(22:48:17) mimor: ²bn       
²))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))<
(22:48:25) mimor: sorry... that was my cat
(22:48:54) mimor: I think a forum would be nice for those who're not
familiar with irc
(22:49:07) JanC: mimor: they can use the mailing list...
(22:49:18) mimor: and the people that are not familiar with the
mailinglist  ;) 
(22:49:29) mimor: as I said, most people don't watch the mailing
(22:49:35) mimor: there are too many different things
(22:49:47) mimor: they're just not interested as it takes too much time
(22:50:00) JanC: adding a forum to the mailing list only means there are
even more things
(22:50:08) JanC: that's not a solution
(22:50:33) JanC: and reading mail takes less time than reading a forum
(22:50:45) mimor: But I guess a forum could be more attractive than both
the mailinglist and IRC together for quite a lot of people
(22:50:55) willem7: agree
(22:51:01) jean7491: a forum would be nice? it is nice, but why an
ubuntu-be forum? are people more familar with a lot of topics like
ubuntu-nl forum? it is more complicated to follow what is ongoing?
(22:51:38) mimor: the nice thing about a forum is that you can
categorise stuff as sticky
(22:52:01) jean7491: who "you" ?
(22:52:02) willem7: and a forum at ubuntuforums.org (LoCo team)?
(22:52:06) mimor: or put them in categories such as meetings, news,
council  ;) , etc ...
(22:52:18) JanC: mimor: we need IRC to do "immediate response meetings"
(at least those of us who are active in organising things need it)
(22:52:36) mimor: Indeed, but those active are not my problem
(22:52:46) mimor: it are the other 390 members ><
(22:53:31) JanC: mimor: you can categorize stuff with mail too, with the
advantage that you can choose your own categories  ;) 
(22:54:01) mimor: ok, but that's for people like us
(22:54:04) mimor: that know the system
(22:54:04) JanC: actually, we can add "topics" to the ML software and
people can then subscribe to only some topics
(22:54:15) mimor: that's one idea
(22:54:24) mimor: Suse has the same system
(22:54:43) JanC: it only works if people use the topics though  ツ
(22:54:50) mimor: but the problem is, as it was for me years ago, there
is too much information on it, rendering people uninterested in all subjects
(22:55:48) JanC: "too much" = 20 mails on a very active day, maybe 1 on
an average day?
(22:56:16) JanC: let's subscribe them to LKML and see what is really
"too much"   ;) 
(22:56:38) JanC: like, > 1000 mails/day on a busy day  :P
(22:56:58) JanC: anyway, people don't need to read all mails
(22:57:45) mimor: sorry
(22:57:46) mimor:  :) 
(22:58:03) jean7491: problem in the mailing list is perhaps the use of a
correct subject 'thread) for the mails?
(22:58:16) JanC: jean7491: of course that helps a lot
(22:58:18) mimor: I know, but they see the number next to the forlder...
and they just hit "mark them all as read"'
(22:58:45) JanC: mimor: that's their problem then, and those people
won't read the forum either
(22:58:58) mimor: having a subject start with [subject] blablabla will
probably raise more awareness
(22:59:04) JanC: or they can read the mailing list through a web
interface...
(22:59:20) JanC: (if they are masochists)
(22:59:21) mimor: its just not the same
(22:59:29) mimor: for me, IRC on its own is fine
(22:59:38) mimor: I don't need a mailingllist neither
(22:59:41) mimor:  :) 
(22:59:55) JanC: mailing lists are easily searchable
(23:00:04) JanC: IRC isn't
(23:00:05) mimor: but if you guys are against, we'll let it is
(23:00:07) mimor: (for now)
(23:00:55) mimor: I just don't get it, people on the ML were whining
about the forum stuff... and now I'm like the only one asking for one :P
(23:01:05) JanC: well, most people who complain about having a forum
have never done anything for ubuntu-be except complaining about having a
forum   ;) 
(23:01:14) mimor: If there was a forum, there would be more people
responsive  ;)  :D
(23:01:21) mimor: *responses
(23:01:46) JanC: mimor: if they can complain about forums on the list,
they can be helpful too
(23:02:02) JanC: most of them certainly aren't
(23:02:50) mimor: vace the real world... it's all about complaining :D
only a few good-hearted people like you guys (and me, somethimes) see
the beauty  :) 
(23:03:02) JanC: look at it like this: adding a forum means more work
for those who are active, so we need to be sure that that cost has
enough benefits IMO
(23:03:34) mimor: you have a point
(23:03:35) mimor:  :) 
(23:04:04) jean7491: i conclude : this is not enough argumentation about
the need of a forum, we see later at another meeting
(23:04:10) mimor: but somethimes it's hard to search for new members...
if our own group doesn't support us  :( 
(23:04:34) mimor: I've already send an email to the mailing, asking
where they all are  :) 
(23:04:54) mimor: so that's a nice conclusion jean7491
(23:05:02) JanC: I don't care most people on the list are lurkers
(23:05:29) JanC: I'm a lurker on LKML too   ;) 
(23:05:36) mimor: what's lkml?
(23:05:44) JanC: Linux Kernel Mailing List
(23:05:44) mimor: kernel management?
(23:05:53) JanC: kernel devs  ツ
(23:06:01) mimor: heavy  :) 
(23:06:14) jean7491:  :)  so we go to the next point about Organization of
the Belgian LoCo Team   :) 
(23:06:32) mimor: jes
(23:06:36) mimor: *yes
(23:06:43) mimor: council?
(23:06:44) mimor:  :) 
(23:07:03) mimor est désormais connu sous le nom de sir_mimor
(23:07:04) jean7491: there is still the proposal
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization
(23:07:05) sir_mimor: :D
(23:07:14) sir_mimor: now I can be in the council :D
(23:07:22) sir_mimor est désormais connu sous le nom de mimor
(23:07:49) mimor: what are the pro's and what are the con's?
(23:08:07) mimor: I guess the way jean7491 wrote the base down is
actually nice
(23:08:29) mimor: we can have a branched organigram
(23:09:36) jean7491: as it is difficult to be active everywhere all the
time, and as there is a "limited" interest for the topic, i give
priority to the organization of events and will come back later on this!
(23:09:40) nero2 [n=nero@62.235.128.51] a rejoint le salon.
(23:10:01) mimor: ok
(23:10:20) mimor: I've got the picture of JanC 's idea on the topic from
the mailing list
(23:11:24) koentje a quitté le salon (quit: Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
(23:11:33) mimor: hello?
(23:11:36) JanC: I'll add some comments to the wiki after the meeting
(23:11:49) mimor: JanC, jean7491 can you guys still read me?
(23:11:55) JanC: yes
(23:11:57) mimor: I'm not sure, as I changed my nick
(23:11:59) JanC: mimor: yes
(23:12:01) mimor: owkey  :) 
(23:12:02) mimor: thx
(23:12:14) jean7491: mimor, now ok,    of course the wiki is open for
comments
(23:13:03) Indra6oc [n=indra@213.219.149.138.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] a
rejoint le salon.
(23:13:12) mimor: there are 2 differend, but close, toppics... the
forming of some kind of VZW (or searching for something already
existing) and the organisation of Ubuntu-be
(23:13:42) Indra6oc: aloha, hi all  :) 
(23:13:52) mimor: hi Indra6oc
(23:13:54) koentje [i=5bb6a6b5@gateway/web/freenode/x-epgvmtcbntogenwe]
a rejoint le salon.
(23:14:02) jean7491: i will not launch the subject "organuzation" in the
mailing list as there are too many non coherent reactions
(23:14:04) JanC: currently I'm opposed to setting up a vzw, but not
opposed to more structure
(23:14:14) jean7491: hey Indra6oc
(23:14:29) JanC: Indra6oc: kom jij naar dipro Gent?
(23:14:40) Indra6oc: hi jean7491, mimor and JanC
(23:14:41) mimor: In my opinion, a VZW doesn't solve the structure problems
(23:14:59) willem7 a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer))
(23:15:03) JanC: mimor: exactly (been there, done that, got the T-shirt  ;)  )
(23:15:18) nightrid3r: in my opinion a VZW will create even more
problems at the moment
(23:15:18) mimor: the T-schirt?
(23:15:28) mimor: jup
(23:15:33) Indra6oc: hehe ja den dipro, waneer is da weer?
(23:15:42) willem7 [n=willem@d54C5A9F0.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le
salon.
(23:15:48) JanC: Indra6oc: nu zondag
(23:15:51) mimor: and for a VZW there need some people to be put in
places where they can be held 'responsible'
(23:16:01) Indra6oc: oops, goeie vraag dan  :) 
(23:16:02) mimor: guess that'll be hard to find volunteers for  :) 
(23:16:21) JanC: Indra6oc: als je komt, breng dan die doek mee  ツ
(23:16:27) jean7491: imho, there are 2 steps for ubuntu-be better work :
1. a better organization, and 2. a formalization via a vzw (eventually)
(23:17:12) jean7491: there is no sense to start with the step 2 if the
step 1 is not fullfilled
(23:17:37) mimor: agreed
(23:17:39) Indra6oc: ziet er naar uit da de zondag ni echt veel opening
meer heeft  O:-) 
(23:17:46) mimor: JanC, what tshirt?
(23:18:07) JanC: mimor: it's an expression in English   ;) 
(23:18:19) mimor: llink to image?
(23:18:54) jean7491: and to start with the step 1., we need to gather
people who are willing to work on this, and not in the mailing list
(23:19:24) mimor: As I see it... like it is in the current draf...
compared with the active community
(23:19:46) mimor: there will be the active people in the council ...
who'm will also be in the sub-groups...
(23:19:48) mimor:  :) 
(23:19:52) JanC: jean7491: you mean IRL meeting?
(23:20:02) mimor: it'll be like give ourselves a title  :) 
(23:20:19) JanC: IRL = in real life
(23:20:38) mimor: DLVV
(23:20:47) jean7491: we certainly need irl meeting, but fist think about
the problem
(23:20:52) mimor: Dans La Vrai Vie ><
(23:22:12) mimor: we can think together during a drinking-event
(23:22:22) mimor: (we might give the event another name)
(23:22:39) mimor: a be-social-event or something
(23:22:39) nightrid3r: think + drink = mother of bad idea's
(23:22:40) jean7491: perhaps via contacts between us during the events
we could progress with ideas
(23:22:45) Indra6oc: thea party :d
(23:22:51) jean7491: in ghent, a'pen, ...
(23:22:58) mimor: jup
(23:23:07) nightrid3r: Casablanca ?
(23:23:10) mimor: let's do that
(23:23:20) mimor: (and stop thinking about everything first)
(23:23:36) Indra6oc: i was wondering
(23:23:40) mimor: let's discuss the organisation of ubuntu-be during the
dipro's
(23:24:00) mimor: wondering = thinking
(23:24:06) mimor: so stop it Indra6oc :D
(23:24:17) nero1 a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out))
(23:24:35) Indra6oc: since its been the topic for a while now, maybe we
should stop defining it as a problem and just skip to the solution part
(23:24:40) nightrid3r: discussing during dipro events will fragment to much
(23:24:57) jean7491: during the dipro's and other events,  and we come
back with the topic at end september
(23:25:04) mimor: we can't ask every-one to meet up in Ghent can we?
(23:25:30) mimor: ok jean7491
(23:26:55) Indra6oc: i still like the tea party idea  :) 
(23:27:00) jean7491: through personal contacts everyone can try to
sensibilize people to this problem of organization, and add new ideas in
the wiki
(23:27:03) JanC: okay, let's postpone for now so that I can fix myself
some food  ツ
(23:27:34) Indra6oc: didnt you order pizza :p :p
(23:27:46) Indra6oc: O:-):)
(23:27:47) mimor: I bite my nails... JanC, should try it...
(23:27:47) mimor:  :) 
(23:27:51) jean7491: ok, next topic: 4. Next meeting ? Proposed IRC
meeting on 09/09/2009 at 21 h.
(23:28:20) mimor: Sounds delicious jean7491
(23:28:37) JanC: okay
(23:28:44) mimor: da zit smurf denk ik
(23:28:45) Indra6oc: i migth pass by  O:-) 
(23:28:53) jean7491: ok, end of the meeting!