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   1 2009-04-08 21:01:45 <jean7491>	who is participating to this irc meeting ?
   2 2009-04-08 21:02:04 <Benwa>	me
   3 2009-04-08 21:03:22 <jean7491>	!!! at lest you and me !! ;-)
   4 2009-04-08 21:03:22 <mongolito404>	i am
   5 2009-04-08 21:04:02 <Benwa>	well, at least three persons
   6 2009-04-08 21:04:10 <Benwa>	!!!!
   7 2009-04-08 21:04:36 <jean7491>	i am in ostende, where are you ?
   8 2009-04-08 21:05:06 <JanC>	I'm here too  ;)
   9 2009-04-08 21:05:18 <JanC>	and Benwa is in the Brussels region I suppose
  10 2009-04-08 21:05:30 <mongolito404>	Ottignies Louvain-la-Neuve (temporary)
  11 2009-04-08 21:05:30 <Benwa>	i am
  12 2009-04-08 21:05:32 <JanC>	(as he's a brutele client)
  13 2009-04-08 21:06:59 *	siegie heeft verlaten (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
  14 2009-04-08 21:07:17 <JanC>	I haven't heard from Mike about the possible release party in Ghent yet  :-(
  15 2009-04-08 21:08:45 <JanC>	so we can scrap point #1 from the agenda for now
  16 2009-04-08 21:09:29 <jean7491>	with hopefully report to the next meeting !
  17 2009-04-08 21:11:00 <jean7491>	for the dipro fair in gent, we have at least 4 names in the wiki, can we promote the event in the ubuntu community ?
  18 2009-04-08 21:11:39 <jean7491>	= ML, members, support points
  19 2009-04-08 21:13:48 <jean7491>	i take this point as a way to wake up the community :P, at least around gent
  20 2009-04-08 21:15:40 <mongolito404>	To promote the event, you can send a mail (if it's has not been done yet) to the ML. You are also free to invite the supports point using the contact form (no group mail at this point)
  21 2009-04-08 21:16:56 <jean7491>	and the ubuntu-be members via the launchpad (when they are localized!)
  22 2009-04-08 21:18:07 <mongolito404>	I'm not aware of a location based search on Launchpad, event through the API :(
  23 2009-04-08 21:18:08 <jean7491>	but till now i am alone with the idea,
  24 2009-04-08 21:18:20 <JanC>	jean7491: but don't mail those who are already comming to help  ;)
  25 2009-04-08 21:18:48 <jean7491>	of course !
  26 2009-04-08 21:18:49 <JanC>	mongolito404: you can find people on the map in launchpad
  27 2009-04-08 21:19:14 <JanC>	mongolito404: "visual search"  ;)
  28 2009-04-08 21:19:23 <jean7491>	yes, but 50 from the 120 members are not localized
  29 2009-04-08 21:21:43 <mongolito404>	You could collect the address and send a bulk email (don't forget to put the address in BCC and not in CC)
  30 2009-04-08 21:22:49 <jean7491>	yes, but it remains an individual initiative !
  31 2009-04-08 21:22:55 <mongolito404>	yes
  32 2009-04-08 21:23:19 <jean7491>	it is not a great problem to promote the booth at dipro gent, but if it is not repeated in the future, it is nearly useless to start
  33 2009-04-08 21:24:35 *	siegie (n=siegie@unaffiliated/siegie) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  34 2009-04-08 21:24:35 <JanC>	we can easily get the complete member list of ubuntu-be
  35 2009-04-08 21:26:07 <mongolito404>	When it comes to mailing, I'm for opt-in not opt-out. We didn't collect the email addresses of our members (on the website, on the mailing list, etc.) with acknowledgement of such usage.
  36 2009-04-08 21:26:48 <JanC>	well, for the people on the list it's easy  ;)
  37 2009-04-08 21:27:00 <jean7491>	I'm for opt-in not opt-out  what do you mean ?
  38 2009-04-08 21:27:47 <mongolito404>	When giving their addresses, people agree on the usage (receiving invitation and call for help), that opt-in.
  39 2009-04-08 21:28:12 <mongolito404>	opt-out is allowing people to 'unsubscribe' from your list at their requests.
  40 2009-04-08 21:28:36 <mongolito404>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt_in_e-mail
  41 2009-04-08 21:29:17 <JanC>	mongolito404: people on the mailing list already opt-in of course
  42 2009-04-08 21:30:03 <JanC>	people on the launchpad team, maybe we should send them a mail first that we might occasionally send such a mail?
  43 2009-04-08 21:30:12 <mongolito404>	Yes, off course but for the mailing list. Not for they address to be put in a separate list of people to contact to ask for help (or invite)
  44 2009-04-08 21:30:29 <JanC>	because IMNSHO, if you don't want to help, what's the point of being part of the team?
  45 2009-04-08 21:31:26 <mongolito404>	Yes, a first contact to ask permission for inclusion in a 'contact' file seems fair.
  46 2009-04-08 21:32:20 <mongolito404>	But we then need a way to collect efficiently the addresses and locations.
  47 2009-04-08 21:32:31 <JanC>	maybe we can start an ubuntu-be-volunteers team...
  48 2009-04-08 21:33:18 <mongolito404>	But would it be a duplicate of ubuntu -be itself ?
  49 2009-04-08 21:34:07 <JanC>	BTW, if we have people's coordinates, it's not all that difficult to find people within a range from a certain city (postgis & recent versions of mysql have this built-in even)
  50 2009-04-08 21:34:25 <jean7491>	"When giving their addresses, people agree on the usage (receiving invitation and call for help), that opt-in." with a selection of members based on the location on the map, an information on the ubuntu booth is less "strong" than an invitation
  51 2009-04-08 21:36:09 <JanC>	jean7491: I think we should only contact people to ask if they want to help at a fair though, not to visit the fair
  52 2009-04-08 21:36:30 <mongolito404>	People registred as 'support points' gave their addresses to be contacted by visitors of map.ubuntu-be.org only through the form on the site and only about the commitments they made (help to install, provide CD, demo ubuntu).
  53 2009-04-08 21:37:11 <JanC>	mongolito404: I was talking about the coordinates on the launchpad team
  54 2009-04-08 21:37:29 <JanC>	mongolito404: but anyway, we demo Ubuntu at the fairs  ;)
  55 2009-04-08 21:37:32 <jean7491>	i was not writing about support points but members
  56 2009-04-08 21:37:54 <mongolito404>	Ok what I said was for the map.ubuntu-be.org
  57 2009-04-08 21:39:16 <mongolito404>	We can contact members of the ML though the mailing list so that's not a problem.
  58 2009-04-08 21:40:07 <mongolito404>	And for Launchpad, it provides a contact form for user without a public email address (but I think it has some form of spam protection and will deny sending too much message)
  59 2009-04-08 21:41:40 <mongolito404>	Personal contact of member of the ML are ok too. But collecting addresses from ML members filtered by their location is a form of ''email harvesting''.
  60 2009-04-08 21:44:22 <jean7491>	the objective is a more active ubuntu community in belgium, the promotion of the booth in gent is only a first little step in this direction
  61 2009-04-08 21:44:24 <mongolito404>	And yes, we demo ubuntu at fairs (well not me, I never went to a fait). So it's ok to contact support points commited to 'demo' and if needed I could provide the email addresses of these.
  62 2009-04-08 21:44:56 <mongolito404>	jean7491: Yes. We clearly needs a way to collect locations and addresses of interested members.
  63 2009-04-08 21:46:18 <JanC>	actually, by subscribing to the LP team, people already agree that they can get mailed (it's just 1 switch and every team member get's mailed if someone subscribes the team to a bug or such)   ;)
  64 2009-04-08 21:47:10 <JanC>	or if someone fills out this form: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be/+contactuser
  65 2009-04-08 21:47:44 <JanC>	(currently this would go to the mailing list)
  66 2009-04-08 21:48:56 <mongolito404>	And won't reach LP~ubuntu-be members not subscribed to the mailing list.
  67 2009-04-08 21:49:34 <JanC>	mongolito404: exactly (but you can download the list of members as an XML file IIRC)
  68 2009-04-08 21:49:49 *	mongolito404 (n=pbuyle@ip-83-134-208-106.dsl.scarlet.be) heeft #ubuntu-be verlaten
  69 2009-04-08 21:49:56 *	mongolito404 (n=pbuyle@ip-83-134-208-106.dsl.scarlet.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  70 2009-04-08 21:50:05 <mongolito404>	with email address ? how ?
  71 2009-04-08 21:52:14 <mongolito404>	One solution may be to create a ubuntu-be-events team for people willing to help organizing events and we can even have sub-teams for area (eg. ubuntu-be-event-ghent). They will have their own mailing list (provided by LP)
  72 2009-04-08 21:54:14 *	pvandewyngaerde (n=pvandewy@59.29-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  73 2009-04-08 21:54:15 <mongolito404>	The concept an ''event team" already exists on the website http://ubuntu-be.org/en/node/26
  74 2009-04-08 21:54:46 <pvandewyngaerde>	hello, good evening, i totally forgot the meeting
  75 2009-04-08 21:57:09 <mongolito404>	We could use contact information from the support points map and the website to help to bootstrap the team by invitating potentialy interested members.
  76 2009-04-08 21:58:42 <jean7491>	an active community (we have to start somewhere, why not in gent?) is more attractive for new members (and to activate non active members) -- it is more than the problematic of email addresses, mailing list ... , i see it as a perspective, a short term plan. perhaps we should start to look at ideas and define steps !
  77 2009-04-08 21:58:43 <pvandewyngaerde>	we can advertise it on the ubuntu dipro booth on the 19th in Gen
  78 2009-04-08 21:59:27 <mongolito404>	idea: an (active) ubuntu-be-events team used to organize and coordinate events
  79 2009-04-08 22:00:23 <mongolito404>	step 1: get members interested to help for the Ghent fair to join the team
  80 2009-04-08 22:00:37 <pvandewyngaerde>	count me in
  81 2009-04-08 22:00:55 <pvandewyngaerde>	when is it ?
  82 2009-04-08 22:01:04 <jean7491>	19/04
  83 2009-04-08 22:01:19 <mongolito404>	step 2: get more members interested to help for other events to join
  84 2009-04-08 22:02:06 <mongolito404>	step 3: get people organizing events to know about the team and how to reach it (provide this information a clean and clear wiki page)
  85 2009-04-08 22:03:26 <mongolito404>	step 0: create the team and start using it (ie: use LP features to organize the ghent fair, LP provide a mailing list, bugs, answers, meetings; etc.)
  86 2009-04-08 22:05:39 <mongolito404>	sounds good ?
  87 2009-04-08 22:05:54 <pvandewyngaerde>	yes
  88 2009-04-08 22:06:49 <jean7491>	yes, as a start ! who is part of the event-team in website, and contact  bart#ubuntu.com - Wesley#ubuntu.com ?
  89 2009-04-08 22:07:45 <mongolito404>	Yes
  90 2009-04-08 22:08:06 <mongolito404>	It has never been very clear to me who was in this team
  91 2009-04-08 22:08:14 <jean7491>	i joined ubuntu-be in october 2008, i do not know what happened before!
  92 2009-04-08 22:09:01 <pvandewyngaerde>	i want to be part of the event team
  93 2009-04-08 22:11:32 <mongolito404>	Since the team (as a LP team) does not exists, it should be first created (any Launchpad user can create a team)
  94 2009-04-08 22:13:31 <pvandewyngaerde>	another new team ?
  95 2009-04-08 22:13:33 <jean7491>	i can contribute to the team,      but my experience in ubuntu-be is limited to dipro fairs (W-Vl) and 4-5 members i met there.  in the team we need people from every region and who have more experience
  96 2009-04-08 22:14:51 <mongolito404>	pvandewyngaerde: Well yes, ubuntu-be is more general. For instance, I wouldn't join a event team since I rarely participate and never helped to organize any event.
  97 2009-04-08 22:15:19 <mongolito404>	jean7491: There isn't many active ''old'' members these days.
  98 2009-04-08 22:16:02 <JanC>	which is why I've started these IRC meetings  ;)
  99 2009-04-08 22:18:03 <mongolito404>	jean7491: You can start the team and use LP for the ghent event. You can always pass the ownership of the team to somebody else later.
 100 2009-04-08 22:18:27 <JanC>	I can set up a LP team too, if that makes things easier
 101 2009-04-08 22:18:46 <mongolito404>	you may be more confortable than jean7491 with LP
 102 2009-04-08 22:19:01 <JanC>	I guess the team should become a subteam of ubuntu-be too then
 103 2009-04-08 22:19:23 <JanC>	(teams can be members of other teams)
 104 2009-04-08 22:19:29 <mongolito404>	Yes
 105 2009-04-08 22:19:56 <JanC>	how to call it, ubuntu-be-events ?
 106 2009-04-08 22:20:45 <mongolito404>	other 'sub teams' are ubuntu-be-webeditor and ubuntu-be-planet so I would say yes.
 107 2009-04-08 22:20:52 <mongolito404>	(but I named these teams)
 108 2009-04-08 22:21:15 <JanC>	BTW, the XML user list is at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be/+rdf (no e-mail addresses there, but links to the GPG keyserver...)
 109 2009-04-08 22:24:53 <jean7491>	my first concern : as new in the community, it is difficult to take the leading of events (example in gent with other more experienced people like pieter, dieter, kenneth, joris, mike, ... jan?  ...)  - can provoke reactions ...
 110 2009-04-08 22:24:54 *	DarkEra heeft verlaten (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
 111 2009-04-08 22:24:56 *	DarkEra2 (n=DarkEra@unaffiliated/darkera) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
 112 2009-04-08 22:26:09 <pvandewyngaerde>	when would the release party in gent take place ?
 113 2009-04-08 22:26:52 <JanC>	pvandewyngaerde: not sure yet, which is why I regret not hearing from Mike  :-(
 114 2009-04-08 22:27:10 <pvandewyngaerde>	we allready have a small unofficial one in Roeselare on the linuxbabbel.be
 115 2009-04-08 22:27:18 *	PhilippeP (n=philippe@85.201.41.238) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
 116 2009-04-08 22:27:41 <mongolito404>	pvandewyngaerde: Has it been announced on the mailing list ?
 117 2009-04-08 22:28:22 <pvandewyngaerde>	not that i know
 118 2009-04-08 22:29:04 <JanC>	jean7491: don't worry too much about taking the leading
 119 2009-04-08 22:29:16 <mongolito404>	Why do you call it an ''unofficial'' release party ?
 120 2009-04-08 22:30:05 <JanC>	jean7491: if you ask, most people will be happy to give you the leading  ;)
 121 2009-04-08 22:30:31 <pvandewyngaerde>	because this is a regular meeting
 122 2009-04-08 22:31:01 <JanC>	mongolito404: remember some people complaining about us using English on the list?  ;)
 123 2009-04-08 22:32:55 <jean7491>	pvandewyngaerde: koen told me .... en de release-party is een organisatie van ubuntu-be en niet van de linuxbabbel. Daarover kan ik je dus niets meer vertellen... Volgende linuxbabbel : do 23 april te Lichtervelde. Je krijgt nog een uitnodiging per mail.... so i added the linuxbabbel meeting in the future events (wiki) but without agenda
 124 2009-04-08 22:34:12 <pvandewyngaerde>	oh yeah its in lichtervelde now, i keep saying roeselare
 125 2009-04-08 22:34:58 <jean7491>	but for me : no confirmed release party
 126 2009-04-08 22:36:30 *	PhilippeP heeft verlaten (Remote closed the connection)
 127 2009-04-08 22:37:03 <pvandewyngaerde>	interested people can always come
 128 2009-04-08 22:38:46 <jean7491>	pvandewyngaerde: email from koen on 30/03
 129 2009-04-08 22:41:17 <mongolito404>	JanC: Yes I remeber people complaining about English. Why do you ask ?
 130 2009-04-08 22:41:45 <pvandewyngaerde>	koen was one of them iirc
 131 2009-04-08 22:42:06 <JanC>	jean7491: there is no release party organised by ubuntu-be (yet?)
 132 2009-04-08 22:42:48 <mongolito404>	ubuntu-ne is not an active entity, its members organize release party. ubuntu-be is a medium to support their effort
 133 2009-04-08 22:42:50 <JanC>	mongolito404: politics  :-(
 134 2009-04-08 22:43:14 <jean7491>	janC     -  ok last post was about linuxbabbel
 135 2009-04-08 22:43:26 <mongolito404>	politics ? Like I'm not working with you to get a better world because we don't speak the same language ?
 136 2009-04-08 22:44:06 <JanC>	mongolito404: at least less cooperative because of the language
 137 2009-04-08 22:44:20 <JanC>	that's more or less my impression
 138 2009-04-08 22:45:02 <pvandewyngaerde>	lets create another team for people that only want to speak dutch
 139 2009-04-08 22:45:45 <mongolito404>	Then another team for people who only speak dutch and are from antwerpen
 140 2009-04-08 22:45:49 <JanC>	which I consider stupid, because several of us can easily act as contact persons between e.g. linuxbabbel & ubuntu-be
 141 2009-04-08 22:45:53 <mongolito404>	and another for Liège
 142 2009-04-08 22:46:18 <JanC>	yeah, I want a team for Dutch speaking people in Liège !   :P
 143 2009-04-08 22:46:58 <pvandewyngaerde>	and we need a female team
 144 2009-04-08 22:47:11 <mongolito404>	just to get it right... this is called linuxBABBEL and its member have issue with languages ?
 145 2009-04-08 22:47:26 <jean7491>	and i need a team for frnch speaking in ostende
 146 2009-04-08 22:47:33 <jean7491>	french
 147 2009-04-08 22:47:40 <JanC>	jean7491: haha, at least you would have 1 member  ;)
 148 2009-04-08 22:47:44 <mongolito404>	and we need a team for men who are not gays but like to wear pink and female underwear !
 149 2009-04-08 22:49:12 <JanC>	local teams e.g. for 1 province could be set up once there is a lot of things happening there and otherwise they would flood the main (event) mailing list
 150 2009-04-08 22:49:43 <mongolito404>	JanC: Yes, but only if needed
 151 2009-04-08 22:50:01 <jean7491>	summary for me  1. dipro gent : i'll take initiative to promote the event within the community, in the ML, and to people around gent (members and support points) 2. we have to set up an event-team (point for irc meeting)      and   i think additionnaly we should discuss a wider view of the future (events, members of other areas in be., contacts with other associations, ...
 152 2009-04-08 22:50:04 <JanC>	and there is also no problem with local event organisers speaking dutch/french IMHO
 153 2009-04-08 22:50:10 <pvandewyngaerde>	i also want   kubuntu-be-* teams since i am a kde user
 154 2009-04-08 22:50:36 *	JanC kicks pvandewyngaerde 
 155 2009-04-08 22:50:39 <JanC>	:P
 156 2009-04-08 22:50:42 <mongolito404>	AFAIK, there has never been any problems with mail in dutch or french on the ML
 157 2009-04-08 22:51:04 <pvandewyngaerde>	there are allready a lot of volunteers on the website for the booth at dipro
 158 2009-04-08 22:51:24 <mongolito404>	jean7491: yes. But JanC created the ubuntu-be-events so you can use it to organize the ghent fait (you will have to join the team first)
 159 2009-04-08 22:51:40 <JanC>	I need to set up a mailing list too I suppose
 160 2009-04-08 22:51:49 <mongolito404>	JanC could invite these volounteers to koin the team
 161 2009-04-08 22:51:56 <mongolito404>	JanC: Yes, probably
 162 2009-04-08 22:52:11 <mongolito404>	LP provides an ML (but without digest)
 163 2009-04-08 22:52:20 <JanC>	hm, apparently the mailing list != the team  :-/
 164 2009-04-08 22:52:26 <mongolito404>	s/koin/join
 165 2009-04-08 22:52:30 <pvandewyngaerde>	omg  not another mailing list
 166 2009-04-08 22:52:43 <JanC>	pvandewyngaerde: ?
 167 2009-04-08 22:52:54 <JanC>	I'm on about 100 mailing lists?  ;)
 168 2009-04-08 22:53:23 <JanC>	gets me at least 2000 mails / day  ;)
 169 2009-04-08 22:53:41 <JanC>	(most of which I mark read without reading of course)
 170 2009-04-08 22:53:52 <mongolito404>	LP can provide a mailing list, but if not mailing is set for the team, mails sent to the team are sent to each memebr
 171 2009-04-08 22:54:16 <pvandewyngaerde>	i prefer an empty mailbox, i clean al my mails
 172 2009-04-08 22:54:27 <JanC>	pvandewyngaerde: filtering++
 173 2009-04-08 22:55:52 <JanC>	actually, sometimes mails to some folders are read earlier than mails to my inbox, depending on the address used  ;)
 174 2009-04-08 22:56:34 <mongolito404>	JanC: It looks like your filters lost my invitation for ~ubuntu-be-events to join ~ubuntu-be :D
 175 2009-04-08 22:56:50 <JanC>	mongolito404: I don't read mail 24/7  ;)
 176 2009-04-08 22:57:44 <JanC>	okay, done
 177 2009-04-08 22:57:58 <pvandewyngaerde>	i dont like mobile phones, mail,  mailing lists, forums and wikis, in fact in dont like communicating
 178 2009-04-08 22:58:17 <JanC>	pvandewyngaerde: it's essential to organise things though  ;)
 179 2009-04-08 22:58:26 <pvandewyngaerde>	yes
 180 2009-04-08 22:58:30 <mongolito404>	pvandewyngaerde: That's fine until you want to participate :D
 181 2009-04-08 22:58:44 <mongolito404>	pvandewyngaerde: what about micro-blogging ?
 182 2009-04-08 22:59:12 <JanC>	IRC = micro-blogging  :P
 183 2009-04-08 22:59:14 <jean7491>	do agree with my summary  :-/ as end of  the 2d topic
 184 2009-04-08 22:59:26 <pvandewyngaerde>	i also dont like reading
 185 2009-04-08 22:59:54 <JanC>	anyway, jean7491 give your summary
 186 2009-04-08 23:00:12 <mongolito404>	pvandewyngaerde: I suggest you start a team for ubuntu-be members who don't like to communicate and read
 187 2009-04-08 23:00:35 <jean7491>	at 22.50 summary for me  1. dipro gent : i'll take initiative to promote the event within the community, in the ML, and to people around gent (members and support points) 2. we have to set up an event-team (point for irc meeting)      and   i think additionnaly we should discuss a wider view of the future (events, members of other areas in be., contacts with other associations, ...
 188 2009-04-08 23:00:59 <pvandewyngaerde>	ok
 189 2009-04-08 23:01:29 <mongolito404>	ok
 190 2009-04-08 23:01:37 <jean7491>	janc?
 191 2009-04-08 23:02:41 <JanC>	I've just changed the events team to a moderated team, so I can request people to set their location   ;)
 192 2009-04-08 23:03:02 <JanC>	jean7491: I'm okay with that
 193 2009-04-08 23:03:25 <JanC>	Benwa: ?  ;)
 194 2009-04-08 23:04:47 <Benwa>	yes
 195 2009-04-08 23:04:56 <jean7491>	next topic "future events" : we already discuss linuxbabbel meeting, anything else ?
 196 2009-04-08 23:05:52 <mongolito404>	I'm not aware of any others event
 197 2009-04-08 23:06:48 <JanC>	well, somebody is going to an accessibility fair in Ghent to do some underground marketing
 198 2009-04-08 23:07:28 <JanC>	but that's a personal initiative
 199 2009-04-08 23:09:00 <jean7491>	reva2009, but i am waiting news from the contact; i don't speak about release party in gent (to organize) or hasselt (bitmappers) ; i just noted the next dipro in antwerpen; but other activities ?
 200 2009-04-08 23:10:44 <JanC>	there were 2 peopel who said they might maybe help a bit on Dipro Antwerp, but that's not enough
 201 2009-04-08 23:11:22 <JanC>	or are there more now?
 202 2009-04-08 23:11:30 <jean7491>	i know, see wiki,  and 08-09/05/2009, Journées du Libre BxLUG, Brussel - informations about ?
 203 2009-04-08 23:12:14 <JanC>	1 person offered help, but only if he's not alone (like last year)
 204 2009-04-08 23:13:37 <jean7491>	for antwerpen, we have time ! i am still hoping ! here we will need promotion to find volunteers !
 205 2009-04-08 23:13:49 *	warddr heeft verlaten ("Ik ga weg")
 206 2009-04-08 23:14:20 <JanC>	right
 207 2009-04-08 23:14:40 <jean7491>	can we pass to the next topic, time is running !
 208 2009-04-08 23:14:47 <mongolito404>	yes
 209 2009-04-08 23:14:53 <JanC>	jean7491: maybe using the ubuntu-nl forum is a solution there
 210 2009-04-08 23:15:29 <JanC>	jean7491: I'll see if I can do something there
 211 2009-04-08 23:16:35 <JanC>	and for computer fairs in Wallonia, maybe the french forums can help (I have no experience there)?
 212 2009-04-08 23:17:22 <JanC>	jean7491: do you know about french-speaking Belgians on ubuntu-fr ?
 213 2009-04-08 23:18:23 <jean7491>	yes, i already posted suggestions to events in belgium to be added on time in ubuntu-be
 214 2009-04-08 23:19:48 <mongolito404>	A bit late, but on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Responsibility there is people listed as responsible for events.
 215 2009-04-08 23:20:22 <jean7491>	but a bit outdated ?
 216 2009-04-08 23:20:33 <jean7491>	ok, update-cleaning website and wiki : a lot of things to control and to do,    but it seems to me that  website is 1st priority as our first contact with visitors
 217 2009-04-08 23:21:12 <mongolito404>	what's wrong with the website ?
 218 2009-04-08 23:21:14 <JanC>	more than a bit outdated
 219 2009-04-08 23:21:22 <mongolito404>	which part ?
 220 2009-04-08 23:22:28 <jean7491>	i've no experience with working with websites, the site looks good, but here and there details to be corrected or update necessary
 221 2009-04-08 23:22:42 <JanC>	I mean the Responsibility list: I think me & DieterVanderfaeillie are the only ones still "active" for event?
 222 2009-04-08 23:22:46 <mongolito404>	The event section is totally outdated, the partipate page needs to be updated with clear indication on where and how to help.
 223 2009-04-08 23:22:52 *	hfsdo (n=hfsdo@95.54-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
 224 2009-04-08 23:23:26 <jean7491>	i will try the procedure of bug reports in the future
 225 2009-04-08 23:24:39 <mongolito404>	Please do, imho this is the best solution to list what needs to be corrected on the website
 226 2009-04-08 23:25:29 <JanC>	I think it's important to clean the responsibilities page
 227 2009-04-08 23:25:52 <jean7491>	wiki : i suggest to review the paragraph Fair booths & Events, sorting the events by kind (fosdem, ..) before the dates
 228 2009-04-08 23:26:03 <JanC>	I'll try to contact all of these people if they are still interested (except some of them I already know they aren't)
 229 2009-04-08 23:26:14 <JanC>	jean7491: good idea
 230 2009-04-08 23:27:59 <jean7491>	wiki : paragraph who-responsabilities needs a wider consultation and will take time !
 231 2009-04-08 23:28:42 <mongolito404>	Events could also be moved up on the page
 232 2009-04-08 23:29:10 <JanC>	at least a link to the events should be way up
 233 2009-04-08 23:29:38 <JanC>	front page could be much shorter
 234 2009-04-08 23:30:04 <mongolito404>	Is BelgianTeam/Skills really useful ?
 235 2009-04-08 23:30:47 <jean7491>	i don't see the need
 236 2009-04-08 23:31:15 <mongolito404>	then i suggest we remove it
 237 2009-04-08 23:31:55 <JanC>	it could be useful, but currently is outdated too
 238 2009-04-08 23:32:13 <mongolito404>	It's hard and time consuming to maintain
 239 2009-04-08 23:32:41 <JanC>	yes, and maybe also more useful as an internal tool anyway
 240 2009-04-08 23:32:54 <jean7491>	pictures are useless , pictures are available in launchpad, if needed
 241 2009-04-08 23:34:48 <mongolito404>	The pictures page is used to link to pictures around the web, it's useful but could be moved down in the page
 242 2009-04-08 23:35:21 <mongolito404>	But I agree, pictures should be linked from somewhere lese, like ''event reports''
 243 2009-04-08 23:36:36 <jean7491>	last 5 minutes for me, can we fix date next meeting before i leave ?
 244 2009-04-08 23:36:44 <mongolito404>	next week ?
 245 2009-04-08 23:37:09 <JanC>	next week Wednesday?
 246 2009-04-08 23:37:18 <jean7491>	same day  ? same hour ? for me ok
 247 2009-04-08 23:37:39 <JanC>	yes, and more discussion on the list or IRC in between is always possible  ;)
 248 2009-04-08 23:38:04 <pvandewyngaerde>	ok
 249 2009-04-08 23:38:16 <JanC>	e.g. on the wiki cleanup topic
 250 2009-04-08 23:39:40 <jean7491>	janC : ok, i write report (coordination with you), and we will see for topics next meeting, try to get progress about release party in gent !
 251 2009-04-08 23:40:42 <JanC>	if mike shows up...  :-(
 252 2009-04-08 23:41:25 <pvandewyngaerde>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/promotional-materials
 253 2009-04-08 23:41:29 <JanC>	if he doesn't answer fast enough, I'll try to find another solution
 254 2009-04-08 23:43:26 <mongolito404>	pvandewyngaerde: what about this page ?
 255 2009-04-08 23:44:14 <jean7491>	promotion material can be topic next meeting  -- i already updated the fr and nl short presentation of ubuntu in the wiki with 9.04
 256 2009-04-08 23:44:32 <mongolito404>	I sent a mail to François Cauwe (the assignee for this blue print) about this page but he hasn't responded yet.
 257 2009-04-08 23:45:03 <JanC>	mongolito404: is it still Cédric who maintains ubuntu-be.org DNS zone file?
 258 2009-04-08 23:45:25 <mongolito404>	hu ? I guess.
 259 2009-04-08 23:45:33 <pvandewyngaerde>	is there an overview of all the wiki pages and the  date it was last edited
 260 2009-04-08 23:45:33 <mongolito404>	What are DNS zone files ?
 261 2009-04-08 23:46:07 <JanC>	mongolito404: who can set *.ubuntu-be.org to point to a certain IP-address and such
 262 2009-04-08 23:46:12 <pvandewyngaerde>	the name looku configuration
 263 2009-04-08 23:46:23 <jean7491>	i leave now, janc, can you post the log in the wiki ?
 264 2009-04-08 23:46:29 <JanC>	jean7491: okay
 265 2009-04-08 23:46:48 <mongolito404>	Have to go too
 266 2009-04-08 23:46:54 <jean7491>	bye to everybody  ;-)
 267 2009-04-08 23:47:00 <JanC>	it says Cédric on the wiki, so if you don't know, it's probably still him  ;)
 268 2009-04-08 23:47:13 <mongolito404>	It's probably him yes