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   1 (18:30:30) Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2009-12-09 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
   2 (21:00:14) JanC: okay, seems like it's 21h :-)
   3 (21:00:33) nero_: realy? :)
   4 (21:00:44) JanC: anybody else but LarsB & XiaoShiZi who is here for the meeting?
   5 (21:00:52) nero_: check
   6 (21:00:53) JanC: Gh0sty: ? :P
   7 (21:01:12) JanC: jean7491 said he won't be here
   8 (21:02:16) JanC: okay, anybody here who can tell us a bit about the computer fair in Genk?
   9 (21:02:36) LarsB: I do :)
  10 (21:02:39) JanC: everything went well? anything that could be done better?
  11 (21:03:28) LarsB: A lot went well. It was my first fair and the first impression was good. Next time i'll try to burn the cd's in advance, cause sometimes we had to wait for the cd's to be ready
  12 (21:03:38) LarsB: but then you had some time to talk some more with the people
  13 (21:03:55) LarsB: AluPC's where very usefull.
  14 (21:04:00) JanC: just don't burn too many beforehand ;)
  15 (21:04:11) JanC: aha, good to know
  16 (21:04:32) LarsB: they both had wifi so thats nice to know too
  17 (21:04:44) LarsB: and 2 cd burners although we didn't use those, don't know why
  18 (21:05:23) JanC: wifi is nice if there is wifi in the hall
  19 (21:05:27) JanC: will you be at the fair in Hasselt 24/1 next year too?
  20 (21:05:32) LarsB: yes
  21 (21:05:50) JanC: maybe they will let us use those PCs then too?
  22 (21:06:38) JanC: well, we can ask when we prepare for that later
  23 (21:06:59) LarsB: We asked and they said it wouldn't be a problem
  24 (21:07:13) JanC: nice
  25 (21:07:15) JanC: any other remarks?
  26 (21:07:38) LarsB: I was thinking about something to make the more young people warm for ubuntu
  27 (21:07:59) LarsB: because there aren't really into the office suite and the open source thing
  28 (21:08:00) JanC: young = kids or teenagers ?
  29 (21:08:55) JanC: for kids you could try Qimo
  30 (21:09:12) XiaoShiZi: also the educatief package
  31 (21:09:13) LarsB: more teenagers
  32 (21:09:23) XiaoShiZi: wow?
  33 (21:09:31) JanC: what do teenagers need?
  34 (21:09:52) JanC: just show them NetLog etc. work on Ubuntu? ;)
  35 (21:10:13) LarsB: movies, a lot of people have problems installing the libdvd, resitrected extras install codecs, but doesnt run the dvd library
  36 (21:10:27) LarsB: maybe make a tutorial about that?
  37 (21:10:42) LarsB: like a presentation, like the one about dual boot
  38 (21:11:27) JanC: I think that info is on the wikis (for Dutch-speaking people on ubuntu-nl wiki)?
  39 (21:11:45) JanC: but a presentation won't hurt of course
  40 (21:11:56) LarsB: yes, but some people are to lazy as they say themselves
  41 (21:12:00) JanC: maybe even a screencast
  42 (21:12:30) schwarz-p: for teenagers maybe a demo of open arena is cool
  43 (21:12:32) JanC: if they are too lazy they should pay somebody a beer to do it ;-)
  44 (21:13:08) JanC: it's not like most movies play OOTB on Windows...
  45 (21:13:09) LarsB: xD
  46 (21:13:22) LarsB: all movies do xD
  47 (21:13:35) JanC: schwarz-p: yeah, and some of the other games
  48 (21:13:53) JanC: LarsB: XviD doesn't even play on Windows by default
  49 (21:13:55) LarsB: open arena, haven't heard of that one yet
  50 (21:14:03) LarsB: neither does it on ubuntu
  51 (21:14:13) JanC: which means > 50% of all movies found on the internet don't play
  52 (21:14:15) LarsB: and xvid is for downloaded movies, not really legal xD
  53 (21:14:19) schwarz-p: LarsB; it's waiting for you in the repo's
  54 (21:14:30) JanC: LarsB: on Ubuntu the XviD codec is installed automaticly if you need it
  55 (21:14:45) JanC: LarsB: porn sites use it too :P
  56 (21:15:00) LarsB: :p
  57 (21:15:01) JanC: on Windows you have to find a codec pack on your own
  58 (21:15:20) JanC: so, Ubuntu 1 - Windows 0
  59 (21:15:59) JanC: anyway, screencasts etc. are always welcome, the more the better
  60 (21:16:15) JanC: as long as you don't tell people to run obscure scripts
  61 (21:16:30) JanC: à la Automatix & other dangerous crap
  62 (21:16:40) LarsB: well you need to run the libdvdcss script
  63 (21:16:54) schwarz-p: Like that one guy in Kortrijk in oktober, who told us how good Ultimatix was
  64 (21:16:54) JanC: that's one way, there are packages too
  65 (21:17:09) JanC: schwarz-p: ...
  66 (21:17:13) LarsB: it is in the ubuntu restricted extras package
  67 (21:17:15) LarsB: you need to run it
  68 (21:17:41) JanC: LarsB: there is a binary package too, just not in the official repositories
  69 (21:18:40) JanC: (it's in the medibuntu repositories, but just download the .deb & install it, no need to add that repository)
  70 (21:19:10) JanC: anyway, as said presentations/screencasts/etc. are certainly welcome
  71 (21:19:14) nero_ a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))
  72 (21:19:23) JanC: maybe also cooperate with ubuntu-nl about that
  73 (21:20:10) JanC: next item: next fair is in Mechelen, anybody here for that fair?
  74 (21:20:42) LarsB: nero is
  75 (21:21:13) JanC: ah, maybe he will be back soon
  76 (21:23:08) JanC: BTW, the (proposed) agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings (for those who don't know)
  77 (21:23:40) JanC: let's go to the next item until nero is back
  78 (21:24:53) JanC: "Meeting Digipolis 14/12" --> next Monday
  79 (21:25:07) JanC: Kenneth is going to give a presentation
  80 (21:25:36) JanC: and I'll also go there to hand out CDs etc.
  81 (21:26:02) XiaoShiZi: need more help in Gent on monday 14/12?
  82 (21:26:17) JanC: XiaoShiZi: are you in Ghent?
  83 (21:26:32) XiaoShiZi: Born, raised and living
  84 (21:27:41) JanC: were you at one of the previous dipro fairs or something? (sorry if I don't connect nickname <-> name <-> face immediately ;) )
  85 (21:28:20) XiaoShiZi: the one in the Expo during accenta
  86 (21:28:36) XiaoShiZi: just past the stand and asked a few questions
  87 (21:28:46) JanC: hm, Saturday or Sunday?
  88 (21:28:59) JanC: I was there on Sunday
  89 (21:29:45) JanC: anyway, I'll ask Kenneth how many people are already going, but I guess it's okay if you want to come
  90 (21:29:48) XiaoShiZi: i think on saturday. but how is the presantation going?
  91 (21:30:14) JanC: I still have to coordinate with Kenneth further
  92 (21:30:48) XiaoShiZi: ko
  93 (21:30:57) JanC: they want to use Ubuntu for some/more free public PCs in Ghent, but they have to convince some people
  94 (21:31:00) XiaoShiZi: o
  95 (21:31:09) JanC: is what I understand
  96 (21:31:10) XiaoShiZi: sorry ok
  97 (21:31:14) JanC: hehe
  98 (21:31:40) nero_ [n=nero@62.235.142.213] a rejoint le salon.
  99 (21:31:43) XiaoShiZi: derde keer goede keer
 100 (21:31:48) JanC: XiaoShiZi: you're here often?
 101 (21:32:02) XiaoShiZi: last weeks I try to
 102 (21:32:28) JanC: I mean, everyday or just for the meeting?
 103 (21:32:42) XiaoShiZi: daily
 104 (21:32:59) XiaoShiZi: ok nero is back
 105 (21:33:23) JanC: I'll ping you if I know more from Kenneth (or otherwise mail me ubuntu@janc.be so that I have your address)
 106 (21:33:34) JanC: email address
 107 (21:33:40) JanC: anyway, back to Mechelen
 108 (21:33:53) JanC: nero_: you know if everything is going well?
 109 (21:35:10) XiaoShiZi: @JanC done
 110 (21:35:27) JanC: nero_: ?
 111 (21:37:23) JanC: hm...
 112 (21:38:51) nero_: sorry guys, I wasn't looking...
 113 (21:40:02) JanC: you know if the preparations for Mechelen are going well?
 114 (21:40:02) nero_: I saw Jurgen last Monday. Not sure if we will be complete.
 115 (21:40:54) nero_: According Jurgen, besides the staffing everything should be ok.
 116 (21:41:52) JanC: jurgen is coordinator, right?
 117 (21:42:16) nero_: We have enough material (I think), I have some stuff from Jean7491, ....
 118 (21:42:27) nero_: Yep Jurgen coordinates
 119 (21:42:35) ***mongolito404 remembers that it's time for the meeting
 120 (21:42:59) JanC: well, WCS you can do the booth with 2 people, but it's a lot of work then
 121 (21:43:00) nero_: Who has ordered the booth?
 122 (21:43:17) JanC: I order all the booths
 123 (21:43:26) nero_: K
 124 (21:44:14) JanC: it was said last week that there would be enough people...
 125 (21:45:17) nero_: I have set up an off-line repository for Karmic i386 so that we can show a real complete install
 126 (21:45:30) JanC: cool
 127 (21:45:42) nero_: Some people did not answer the mails from Jurgen :(
 128 (21:45:56) JanC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Mechelen_2009-12-13 lists 5 or more people for the booth
 129 (21:46:03) JanC: ow
 130 (21:46:16) nero_: Just have some problem to set up the router
 131 (21:47:56) JanC: is that "Jurgen Gaeremyn" or another Jurgen?
 132 (21:48:10) nero_: Yep
 133 (21:49:45) nero_: I'm looking for a lightweight install that can run on a PII 233MHz 256 MB ram notebook with 1 USB and a pcmcia ethernet card
 134 (21:49:57) nero_: Everything else is available
 135 (21:53:10) JanC: okay, I mailed Jurgen to ask about the volunteers
 136 (21:53:26) JanC: let's hope he answers soon ☺
 137 (21:54:08) JanC: nero_: like LarsB commented before, it might be useful to burn some CD-Rs beforehand
 138 (21:54:09) nero_: He's a teacher and has not much time in this exams period
 139 (21:54:10) LarsB: nero, fluxbuntu?
 140 (21:54:27) nero_: I'll give it a look
 141 (21:54:38) nero_: How many cd's?
 142 (21:55:07) LarsB: In genk I spent about 40 extra cd's
 143 (21:55:14) LarsB: don't know how big the fair in mechelen is?
 144 (21:55:34) nero_: Mechelen is a rather small fair
 145 (21:55:50) LarsB: Genk was really small too
 146 (21:56:25) JanC: maybe burn 20-30 beforehand, then you have enough for the big rush in the beginning
 147 (21:56:41) JanC: I think 30 will be a minimum of what you need
 148 (21:57:07) JanC: it might be 60 too, but better not burn too many... ;)
 149 (21:57:18) nero_: K, the rest can be used on the next fair
 150 (21:57:27) JanC: also depends how many & how fast you can burn during the fair
 151 (21:58:05) JanC: hm, next fair in Mechelen is in March, so right, you can burn too many without problems
 152 (21:58:49) JanC: nero_: if you know other people who come to help, they can help pre-burning too of course
 153 (21:59:05) XiaoShiZi: 32bit or/and 64bit?
 154 (21:59:24) LarsB: always just the 32bit live cd
 155 (21:59:34) JanC: normally we distribute 32-bit live CD, works for everybody
 156 (22:00:03) nero_: We'll focus on 32bit, since flash on amd64 is not realy mature :(
 157 (22:00:22) XiaoShiZi: ok
 158 (22:00:46) JanC: you can also take .iso's for some of the other with you (Xubuntu, Kubuntu, 64-bit, etc.), then if somebody asks for something else you can burn it
 159 (22:01:06) JanC: nero_: if you use the alpha plugin from adobe it works fine
 160 (22:01:13) nero_: Those are on my USB disk
 161 (22:01:28) JanC: unfortunately, Canonical is not allowed to ditribute the alpha plugin :-(
 162 (22:01:39) JanC: stupid adobe
 163 (22:01:49) nero_: Even that Adobe plugin causes some problems from time to time
 164 (22:02:11) JanC: not for me (but I don't use flash a lot)
 165 (22:02:33) JanC: (flash applets are diabled by default here ;) )
 166 (22:02:37) JanC: disabled
 167 (22:03:02) nero_: Sometimes I just have a blank space, and I need to restart FF to get it working
 168 (22:03:18) JanC: that sounds like you still have the 32bit one
 169 (22:03:28) JanC: maybe somewhere in your local profile
 170 (22:03:38) JanC: anyway, ask about that after the meeting ;)
 171 (22:03:48) nero_: nope, definitely the 64-bit one
 172 (22:04:27) JanC: next item: "Program 2010"
 173 (22:04:49) JanC: that will include the dipro fairs of course
 174 (22:05:07) JanC: agenda for the future fairs is here: http://www.dipro.be/benl/micro_mega_market
 175 (22:05:19) LarsB: I'll be in hasselt
 176 (22:05:26) LarsB: So will Hans, Koen and Jan probably
 177 (22:06:15) JanC: "Hobby & Computerdagen" in Antwerp will require somebody to sponsor us (it's more expensive & we don't get a 50% reduction there) + enough people for both days
 178 (22:06:28) LarsB: How mutch is it?
 179 (22:06:41) LarsB: Maybe I can persué my dad for some financial funds xD
 180 (22:06:42) LarsB: brb
 181 (22:06:54) JanC: http://www.dipro.be/benl/form_hobby --> 295 euro BTW ex.
 182 (22:07:26) JanC: so 356,95 euro total
 183 (22:08:15) XiaoShiZi: isn't there a possibility to create a vzw that we can get excl. BTW?
 184 (22:08:52) JanC: XiaoShiZi: starting a vzw costs more than 50-60 euro ;)
 185 (22:09:46) JanC: and it would still be expensive
 186 (22:10:28) JanC: even if we do have enough money currently
 187 (22:11:51) JanC: anyway, if there are people who want to do that fair, we can talk about it
 188 (22:12:00) JanC: maybe if we sell stuff at the booth...
 189 (22:13:50) LarsB: you can start a vzw with 1 euro JanC
 190 (22:14:04) JanC: hm, I'll probably order stuff to sell at the FOSDEM booth, which is 6-7 February
 191 (22:14:11) LarsB: and vzw's are more protected and don't need a "notaris"
 192 (22:14:46) JanC: LarsB: you have to publish it in "Het Staatsblad"
 193 (22:14:58) LarsB: that does unizo for you I think
 194 (22:15:00) JanC: which costs money... ;)
 195 (22:15:12) LarsB: I don't think vzw's need to do that
 196 (22:15:17) JanC: Unizo won't do that for a vzw I suppose
 197 (22:15:25) LarsB: "eenmanszaak" doesn't have to do that
 198 (22:15:27) XiaoShiZi: ok lets talk about later
 199 (22:15:36) JanC: LarsB: they have to, trust me, been there, done that ☺
 200 (22:15:53) JanC: "eenmanszaak" isn't a legal entity
 201 (22:15:57) LarsB: ah k, dad has a own business for a while now xD
 202 (22:16:12) LarsB: I think it is?
 203 (22:16:18) LarsB: so we learned last year in school
 204 (22:16:29) LarsB: ow yes i know what you mean
 205 (22:16:31) LarsB: no you are right
 206 (22:16:53) LarsB: 356 is enough for a booth. How manny meters?
 207 (22:17:21) JanC: http://www.dipro.be/benl/form_hobby --> 4x3m
 208 (22:18:02) LarsB: ow thats square meters
 209 (22:18:06) LarsB: thats a big booth then?
 210 (22:18:27) JanC: about the same we get now at some fairs ;)
 211 (22:19:45) JanC: BTW: I'm not sure ubuntu-be has enough money to pre-finance buying stuff from the Canonical shop for both "FOSDEM" and "Hobby- en Computerdagen"
 212 (22:20:01) JanC: we'd have to check that
 213 (22:21:39) JanC: mongolito404: the ubuntu-be server seems to be slow at the moment?
 214 (22:22:45) JanC: hm, last update in August was 1718,48€, but since then we've printed the posters, I'll have to ask MarkVDB for an update
 215 (22:23:02) mongolito404: JanC: Just right now ?
 216 (22:23:18) JanC: while I was saying it in the channel, yes
 217 (22:23:39) mongolito404: It as slow as usual now
 218 (22:24:12) JanC: hm, normally it's faster for me, but whatever ;)
 219 (22:24:59) JanC: okay, let's talk about the Hobby & Computerdagen again next meeting
 220 (22:25:47) JanC: as said already, another thing we'll do next year is the FOSDEM booth (as usual)
 221 (22:26:20) JanC: which reminds me, I'll need to order stuff for that soon
 222 (22:31:56) mongolito404: Have all the known future events been added to the agenda on the website ?
 223 (22:32:35) JanC: mongolito404: I'm not sure, I can check after the meeting
 224 (22:32:57) mongolito404: ok
 225 (22:33:21) JanC: another thing for 2010 is: release partie(s) ?
 226 (22:33:48) JanC: anybody wants to (help) organise one? ☺
 227 (22:34:15) JanC: maybe we better move that to next meeting
 228 (22:34:22) LarsB: I can help, if it's not in Gent or somewhere close to that
 229 (22:34:43) JanC: LarsB: last big one was in Herk-de-Stad
 230 (22:35:17) JanC: but it will always be somewhere near the people who organise it, I suppose
 231 (22:35:43) JanC: at least one organiser needs to be near the location
 232 (22:36:11) JanC: anyway, everybody with ideas please mail the list or something
 233 (22:37:13) JanC: next item: does anybody have ideas about promotional material (outside of the extra presentations/screencasts that LarsB talked about earlier) ?
 234 (22:40:07) LarsB: I have to go
 235 (22:40:28) LarsB: I'll read the log tomorrow. Goodnight
 236 (22:40:42) LarsB a quitté le salon (quit: )
 237 (22:42:32) mongolito404: next item ?
 238 (22:44:17) JanC: sorry, phone
 239 (22:44:26) JanC: next item: Support points map status ☺
 240 (22:44:34) JanC: mongolito404: ?
 241 (22:44:48) mongolito404: I continued coding
 242 (22:45:26) mongolito404: Features for a 0.1 release are almost there
 243 (22:46:08) JanC: 0.1 as in something people can start testing?
 244 (22:46:44) JanC: I mean, probably not ready to replace the current map then?
 245 (22:46:44) mongolito404: 0.1 should be https://launchpad.net/support.points.map/+milestone/0.1
 246 (22:47:09) mongolito404: 0.1 should be used to replace the actual map, but without a map.
 247 (22:47:24) JanC: hm ☺
 248 (22:48:16) mongolito404: The current TODO before the 0.1 is theming
 249 (22:48:49) JanC: okay
 250 (22:48:51) mongolito404: Once it's done, it can be tested and approved for the 0.1 release
 251 (22:49:07) JanC: okay, let us know when we can test it
 252 (22:49:09) mongolito404: Once 0.1 is "released", it can be deployed on the website
 253 (22:49:30) mongolito404: We will need migration plan
 254 (22:51:04) mongolito404: The simple option is to not migrate anything. But to collect supporters email from the old database and to invite them to register on the new map.
 255 (22:51:30) JanC: that would help to get rid of "dead" contacts
 256 (22:51:52) mongolito404: Yes
 257 (22:52:50) JanC: I think that's a good idea
 258 (22:53:06) mongolito404: It not too painful to do and it will, hopefully, be a one shot.
 259 (22:53:27) mongolito404: I don't think we wiil need an migration script
 260 (22:54:25) mongolito404: I've written a small guide with instruction for an automated download of the code and its dependencies: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mongolito404/support.points.map/devhelp
 261 (22:54:48) JanC: in the future we want to check on people's activity from time to time, but if we ask people to migrate themselves we don't need that feature for 0.1 ;)
 262 (22:54:52) mongolito404: Direct link to the README http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mongolito404/support.points.map/devhelp/annotate/head:/README.txt
 263 (22:55:25) mongolito404: JanC: Yes, periodic reminder and automatic de-activation are planned feautres
 264 (22:57:13) JanC: okay, anything else? anybody else have questions?
 265 (22:58:04) JanC: schwarz-p / XiaoShiZi / nero_ ...?
 266 (22:58:43) XiaoShiZi: none
 267 (22:59:44) JanC: if not, I propose we stop now & have the next meeting next Wednesday (16/12) at 21h
 268 (23:00:05) mongolito404: ok
 269 (23:00:06) JanC: jean7491 also addded tot the agenda: "(last one in 2009 !)"
 270 (23:00:13) JanC: :-)
 271 (23:00:28) XiaoShiZi: goodnight everyone
 272 (23:00:30) mongolito404: Good night everyone
 273 (23:00:30) JanC: so, thank you all
 274 (23:00:31) XiaoShiZi: cu next time
 275 (23:00:45) mongolito404 a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving.")
 276 (23:02:35) schwarz-p a quitté le salon (quit: "Ex-Chat")