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   1 (13:55:41) Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at
   2 #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday
   3 2009-12-16 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
   4 for agenda and more information
   5  (21:00:43) jean7491: hi to all ! who is here for the meeting ?
   6 (21:00:55) XiaoShiZi: +1
   7 (21:01:00) LarsB: +11111
   8 (21:01:06) LarsB: ow oeps xD
   9 (21:01:41) Rayvr [n=baxio@62.235.164.25] a rejoint le salon.
  10 (21:01:57) Rayvr:  :) 
  11 (21:02:42) jean7491: hello XiaoShiZi LarsB Rayvr  ;-) 
  12 (21:03:16) Rayvr: Well, I am the mexican guy who recently got in the list  :) 
  13 (21:03:54) jean7491: :-Dagain welcome, here in the irc meeting  :-D 
  14 (21:04:47) Rayvr: Nederlands? Francais? English? (Spanish? ) :P
  15 (21:04:57) jean7491: Gh0sty, hfsdo, JanC, mongolito404 ?
  16 (21:05:17) Gh0sty: fysiek aanwezig :P
  17 (21:05:19) jean7491: english first !
  18 (21:05:24) LarsB: we talk in english in the chat xD
  19 (21:06:08) jean7491: hello Gh0sty
  20 (21:06:23) jean7491: hfsdo, JanC, mongolito404 ?
  21 (21:08:48) jean7491: agenda of the meeting is in
  22 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
  23 (21:11:00) jean7491: Rayvr : main goal of the irc meeting is the coordination of
  24 the events we organize or we are taking part in
  25 (21:11:42) Lars`NB [n=LarsB@d51A48C0F.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
  26 (21:11:49) Rayvr: I've got some experience  :)  I've been participating in a lot
  27 of IRC meetings in the last 4 yrs
  28 (21:12:07) Rayvr: I'm taking a look at Suggested Topics
  29 (21:12:48) LarsB: isn't nero here for mechelen?
  30 (21:12:54) jean7491: suggested topics : it is well outdated
  31 (21:13:18) jean7491: for now nobody from dipro mechelen
  32 (21:13:37) jean74911 a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving.")
  33 (21:14:28) jean7491: let's start, hoping other people will join
  34 (21:14:38) jean7491: topic 1 - past and future events
  35 (21:14:56) jean7491: first item : dipro fair mechelen 13/12 - report
  36 (21:15:31) jean7491: as far as i know (from jurgen), dipro mechelen was
  37 successful, the 3 to 4 volunteers were very busy.
  38 (21:17:16) jean7491: Rayvr : dipro are computer fairs and we organize an
  39 information- booth :http://www.dipro.be/benl/micro_mega_market
  40 (21:17:59) jean7491: last one was
  41 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Mechelen_2009-12-13
  42 (21:18:54) jean7491: hopefully we receive later more details from theparticipants
  43 (21:20:48) jean7491: next item - meeting digipolis (digipolis.be) 14/12 in ghent - report
  44 (21:21:28) jean7491: kenneth was present : it was a good meeting, with a lot of
  45 questions. but interest for ubuntu and foss doesn't mean they will use it.
  46 (21:22:15) jean7491: i think JanC was present at this meeting ... JanC ?
  47 (21:24:50) jean7491: no reaction from JanC. imho, it is important to be present
  48 everywhere it is possible to promote ubuntu. this meeting was a good opportunity.
  49 (21:26:13) jean7491: to conclude the "past events" ...
  50 (21:27:13) jean7491: to conclude the program 2009 : ubuntu-be has been very
  51 active and was present with booths in (at least) 16 dipro computer fairs, in 1
  52 big fair in ghent (accenta 2009) and for the software freedom day in brussels.
  53 (21:27:54) jean7491: i think it as a success as the booths were mainly manned
  54 with local volunteers and a lot of newcomers.
  55 (21:28:23) jean7491: comments about past events or program 2009 ?
  56 (21:29:25) jean7491: no comment ?
  57  (21:34:39) Gh0sty: 21:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Enissay_, jean7491
  58 (21:35:07) Gh0sty: can you repeat plz? :p
  59 (21:35:47) jean7491: what was my last message you received ?
  60 (21:36:10) Gh0sty: 21:20 < jean7491> next item - meeting digipolis
  61 (digipolis.be) 14/12 in ghent - report
  62 (21:36:19) jean7491: ok
  63 (21:36:26) SWAT__ a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net
  64 irc.freenode.net)
  65 (21:36:26) selckin a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net
  66 irc.freenode.net)
  67 (21:36:41) jean7491: kenneth was present : it was a good meeting, with a lot of
  68 questions. but interest for ubuntu and foss doesn't mean they will use it.
  69 (21:37:06) jean7491: i think JanC was present at this meeting ... JanC ?
  70 (21:37:10) Gh0sty: you have an idea what the public was like ?: /
  71 (21:37:33) jean7491: no
  72 (21:38:01) jean7491: waiting for details, but imho it is important to be present
  73 everywhere it is possible to promote ubuntu. this meeting was a good
  74 opportunity.
  75 (21:38:34) Gh0sty: wanted to go but couldnt  :( 
  76 (21:38:51) jean7491:  :-( 
  77 (21:38:56) XiaoShiZi: so was I  :-( 
  78 (21:39:32) jean7491: the year is almost at the end ! to conclude the program
  79 2009 : ubuntu-be has been very active and was present with booths in (at least)
  80 16 dipro computer fairs, in 1 big fair in ghent (accenta 2009) and for the
  81 software freedom day in brussels.
  82 (21:40:02) jean7491: i think it as a success as the booths were mainly manned
  83 with local volunteers and a lot of newcomers.
  84 (21:41:05) jean7491: comments about past events or program 2009 ?
  85 (21:41:09) JanC: Kenneth was at the meeting with Digipolis, and their
  86 Windows-laptop was broken, so everybody had to do presentations from an Ubuntu
  87 live-CD, in other words: it was a good demo  :-P 
  88 (21:41:21) Gh0sty: :D
  89 (21:41:30) XiaoShiZi: GREAT
  90 (21:41:37) Gh0sty: should think of that
  91 (21:41:47) Gh0sty: take a magnet with you in every presentation  ;) 
  92 (21:42:02) Gh0sty: *oops* the hdd is broken, luckily i have my livecd! :P
  93 (21:42:29) LarsB: has to be a pretty strong magnet xD
  94 (21:42:34) Rayvr: xD
  95 (21:42:39) JanC: we were also @ FOSDEM in 2009
  96 (21:42:55) XiaoShiZi: what's FOSDEM?
  97 (21:43:01) JanC: fosdem.org
  98 (21:43:13) JanC: open source developer conference in Brussels
  99 (21:43:26) jean7491: but no report in the wiki, nor mailing list
 100 (21:43:31) JanC: probably one of the biggest in the world  ;) 
 101 (21:43:37) Rayvr: thats right
 102 (21:44:48) SWAT__ [n=swat@ubuntu/member/swat] a rejoint le salon.
 103 (21:44:48) selckin [n=selckin@unaffiliated/selckin] a rejoint le salon.
 104 (21:45:01) jean7491: other comments about past events or program 2009 ?
 105 (21:45:08) selckin a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
 106 (21:45:08) SWAT__ a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
 107 (21:45:48) Gh0sty: none that i can think of
 108 (21:45:59) JanC: we'll need to go up for reapproval of ubuntu-be as an
 109 officially approved locoteam soon, so we need to check the wiki & update/add
 110 reports for everything we did during the last 2-3 years
 111 (21:46:13) JanC: and make a summary
 112 (21:46:33) JanC: jean7491: we also were at some release parties
 113 (21:47:14) jean7491: 1 in ghent for 9.04 with mike
 114 (21:47:52) JanC: I was also in Brussels for 9.04 to help with the release party
 115 that IndyMedia organised
 116 (21:47:59) SWAT__ [n=swat@ubuntu/member/swat] a rejoint le salon.
 117 (21:47:59) selckin [n=selckin@unaffiliated/selckin] a rejoint le salon.
 118 (21:48:48) JanC: I guess other people were also present at some other release
 119 parties
 120 (21:49:49) jean7491: but if no report in the wiki/mailing list, it is soon
 121 forgotten ! the problem of reapproval is another reason to write reports
 122 (21:50:44) jean7491: but only participants can write reports in the wiki
 123 (21:51:23) JanC: hm, maybe we should make monthly reports on the wiki like many
 124 other teams do...
 125 (21:51:45) Enissay_: why do ppl use english in a belgian channel??!!
 126 (21:51:49) Enissay_ est désormais connu sous le nom de Enissay
 127 (21:52:12) JanC: Enissay: because speaking a mix of Dutch, French & German at
 128 the same time is confusing  ;) 
 129 (21:52:39) Enissay: lol
 130 (21:53:05) Rayvr: inderdaad
 131 (21:53:23) Enissay: especially when ppl -like me- speaks only one of these
 132 languages :P
 133 (21:53:42) Enissay: weird country huh
 134 (21:53:44) guydup [n=guydup@d51530769.static.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
 135 (21:53:46) jean7491: i don't see why a monthly report? we already write de facto
 136 weekly reports through the irc meeting report
 137 (21:54:15) LarsB: report of dipro Genk will be on the wiki by end of this
 138 weekend I hope
 139 (21:54:24) LarsB: got my last exam on friday
 140 (21:54:33) jean7491:  ;-) 
 141 (21:55:58) jean7491: additionally i'm still waiting dipro reports a'pen and
 142 mechelen : wait and see !
 143 (21:56:31) jean7491: if no other comment, i suggest the next item : Program 2010
 144 (21:56:33) JanC: is one reason for monthly reports: we can mention the fair
 145 happened without a detailed report
 146 (21:57:33) JanC: anyway 2010
 147 (21:57:38) jean7491: all informations are already in the wiki (summary of the
 148 fairs)
 149 (21:57:53) JanC: most info, yes
 150 (21:58:03) jean7491: the 3 next dipro fairs are in hasselt (24/1), ghent (31/1)
 151 and kortrijk (7/2)
 152 (21:58:15) jean7491: feel free to add your name as volunteer in the wiki
 153 (21:58:20) JanC: normally I can help for Ghent
 154 (21:58:32) jean7491: for hasselt (24/1), the team is nearly complete
 155 (21:58:34) JanC: but not for Kortrijk (FOSDEM!)
 156 (21:58:57) XiaoShiZi: not all events are marked on
 157 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/FutureEvents
 158 (21:59:07) Rayvr: I would like to participate in Hasselt (closest to me) but I think I'll have to take a look first
 159 (21:59:33) jean7491: for ghent, kenneth will lead the team, we will start to call volunteers in january, Gh0sty? hfsdo?
 160 (21:59:56) JanC: XiaoShiZi: "This page is deprecated"
 161 (22:00:07) JanC: see the calendar
 162 (22:00:20) jean7491:
 163 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Hasselt_2010-01-24
 164 (22:00:28) XiaoShiZi: thx
 165 (22:00:31) Gh0sty: perhaps
 166 (22:00:41) LarsB: Koen said he might be at the Hasselt fair too
 167 (22:00:43) Gh0sty: so far the 31'st looks free
 168 (22:01:29) Gh0sty: the weekend after is fosdem however which i will also be helping ...
 169 (22:01:30) JanC: for Kortrijk we'll need people who don't go to FOSDEM
 170 (22:01:36) jean7491: Rayvr : you certainly can join the team and have a first
 171 experience in a "strong" team  ;-) 
 172 (22:02:20) JanC: XiaoShiZi: you can help in Ghent?
 173 (22:02:50) Rayvr: But I am also thinking about language, 5 months speaking dutch
 174 is not enough i think
 175 (22:03:16) XiaoShiZi: I'll hope so. Will add my name when I'm sure. there is
 176 still something planed in first month's of 2010
 177 (22:04:21) JanC: Rayvr: well, you can always burn CDs or such &#9786;
 178 (22:04:34) Rayvr: xD Thats right
 179 (22:04:35) LarsB: lol 28/03 dipro in Genk
 180 (22:04:37) jean7491: LarsB: i'm waiting confirmation from koen - Rayvr: don't be
 181 afraid, with a lot of other volunteers helping you if necessary
 182 (22:04:39) LarsB: on my birthday xD
 183 (22:05:30) JanC: LarsB: good reason to have a birthday cake in the booth then...
 184 :P
 185 (22:05:36) LarsB: xD
 186 (22:05:59) jean7491: 28/03 dipro in Genk: it's for later !
 187 (22:07:31) jean7491: for kortrijk (7/2), we will start to call volunteers injanuary, i will go there
 188 (22:08:42) jean7491: for the program 2010 : another item is the possibility of a release party 10.04lts
 189 (22:08:44) Rayvr: jean7491: I'm not afraid, I think the crowd here is more polite =P, just insecure with the language
 190 (22:08:46) JanC: yanu_: ga jij naar FOSDEM? zoniet zet Dipro Kortrijk 7/2 dan in
 191 je agenda  ;) 
 192 (22:09:37) XiaoShiZi: Rayvr a lot of people here speak english as well so don't be afraid of language issue
 193 (22:09:50) LarsB: JanC, how manny people are going to FOSDEM?
 194 (22:09:54) Rayvr: 1
 195 (22:09:57) XiaoShiZi: +1
 196 (22:10:03) JanC: LarsB: about 5000 ?  ;) 
 197 (22:10:12) LarsB: I mean of us
 198 (22:10:14) LarsB: ubuntu-be
 199 (22:10:20) JanC: no idea
 200 (22:10:24) jean7491: Rayvr : another advantage is that you can use other languages like spanish !
 201 (22:11:46) Rayvr: jean7491 I'll be there any way  :)  I'll offer all my experience
 202 (22:12:20) jean7491: thanks !  ;-) 
 203 (22:12:29) jean7491: release party lucid lynx 10.04lts ? the first question is the will to organize a release party, as there was no reaction to previous irc reports.
 204 (22:12:44) jean7491: comment ?
 205 (22:13:06) LarsB: I want to help organize one
 206 (22:13:12) LarsB: but I have no experience with it
 207 (22:14:35) jean7491: are people from ubuntu-be interested in a rp 10.04lts ?
 208 (22:15:03) LarsB: maybe we can do something together with ubuntu-nl?
 209 (22:15:15) yanu_: hmm, JanC ik heb dipro al in de agenda gezet, is fosdem in hetzelfde weekende?
 210 (22:15:23) JanC: yanu_: yep
 211 (22:15:37) yanu_: damned
 212 (22:15:48) yanu_ est désormais connu sous le nom de yanu
 213 (22:17:38) jean7491: LarsB : if nobody or just a few is interested in such an event, it is not worthy
 214 (22:18:42) JanC: I think enough people want to come, the problem is finding someone with the time & experience for organising it
 215 (22:19:26) jean7491: or we can start with more mail on this topic in the mailing list, hoping for reactions
 216 (22:20:25) Rayvr: I agree
 217 (22:21:08) jean7491: and see in january if reactions ?
 218 (22:21:08) guydup: when should the release party be done?
 219 (22:21:40) jean7491: likely mid or late may 2010
 220 (22:21:45) JanC: maybe we can organize something in the National Botanical Gardens in Meise, as they use Ubuntu  ;-) 
 221 (22:22:30) jean7491: after dipro antwerp on 9/5/2010
 222 (22:22:41) LarsB: I dont know htat
 223 (22:22:42) LarsB: that
 224 (22:22:43) LarsB: *
 225 (22:23:12) jean7491: other comment for the release party ?
 226 (22:24:09) JanC: http://www.br.fgov.be/
 227 (22:24:16) jean7491: if no comment : topic 2 - Promotion material
 228 (22:24:28) JanC: they are on this list:
 229 http://www.workswithu.com/the-works-with-u-1000/works-with-u-1000-m-0/
 230 (22:25:45) LarsB: I can't wait that long, need to get up early, study for my exams
 231 (22:26:09) JanC: LarsB: no problem, studying is more important now &#9786;
 232 (22:26:23) LarsB: I read the log on my netbook tomorrow
 233 (22:28:30) LarsB a quitté le salon (quit: )
 234 (22:30:20) jean7491: before to look at the location, we need to know if we orgaize it !
 235 (22:30:41) jean7491: organize it
 236 (22:31:40) jean7491:  >:o 
 237 (22:31:55) JanC: of course, and that location might be a bit expensive anyway  ;) 
 238 (22:33:41) Enissay [n=Enissay@unaffiliated/enissay] a rejoint le salon.
 239 (22:33:41) jean7491 [n=jm@213.219.138.252.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] a rejoint le
 240 salon.
 241 (22:34:20) JanC: yay, netsplit fixed
 242 (22:34:33) jean74911: for the rp (yes or not), we will see later in january
 243 (22:34:57) JanC: okay
 244 (22:35:23) jean7491: other comment for the release party ?
 245 (22:36:01) jean7491: if not, topic 2 - Promotion material
 246 (22:36:25) jean7491: at each dipro computer fair, we distribute ± 50
 247 self-burned cd's ...
 248 (22:36:43) jean7491: the cheapest price for blanco cd's is 12 euro in dipro
 249 fair, but we have to burn the cd's ...
 250 (22:37:25) Rayvr: how many cds?
 251 (22:37:27) jean7491: question : is it cheaper to order somewhere (not shipit) 2
 252 to 500 cd's burned with ubuntu 9,10 ?
 253 (22:37:43) jean7491: 50 cd's
 254 (22:38:21) SWAT__ a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net
 255 irc.freenode.net)
 256 (22:38:21) selckin a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net
 257 irc.freenode.net)
 258 (22:38:32) JanC: 12 euro = 6 euro for the CDs, 4 euro auvibel ("copyright tax"),
 259 2 euro sales tax (BTW)...
 260 (22:38:50) JanC: :P
 261 (22:41:08) JanC: and I doubt we can get them really much cheaper when burned,
 262 unless somebody knows better?
 263 (22:45:21) jean7491: it means we should do it by ourself starting with 200 cd's
 264 (4x50 = ± 50 euros)
 265 (22:45:49) jean7491: + cd sleeves (self printed)
 266 (22:46:17) Lars`NB a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host))
 267 (22:46:29) SWAT__ [n=swat@ubuntu/member/swat] a rejoint le salon.
 268 (22:46:29) selckin [n=selckin@unaffiliated/selckin] a rejoint le salon.
 269 (22:47:05) XiaoShiZi: just googled and found this site http://www.copymedia.nl/
 270 maybe an idea?
 271 (22:47:55) jean7491: tx
 272 (22:48:06) nero_ [n=nero@62.235.142.213] a rejoint le salon.
 273 (22:48:33) nero_: Hi guys, I just came home
 274 (22:48:50) Rayvr: HI
 275 (22:49:18) jean7491: hi nero_
 276 (22:49:42) nero_: Any comments regarding Mechelen?
 277 (22:50:33) jean7491: as far as i know from jurgen, dipro mechelen was
 278 successful, the 3 to 4 volunteers were very busy. your comment?
 279 (22:50:47) nero_: I'll read the chat log if available
 280 (22:51:15) jean7491: your comment about dipro mechelen ?
 281 (22:51:57) JanC: XiaoShiZi: that's 30 euro for 50 CDs + transport costs from the
 282 Netherlands...
 283 (22:52:00) nero_: Just a pity that I did not got the internet gateway working in
 284 time
 285 (22:52:37) XiaoShiZi: indeed more expensive than burn ourself
 286 (22:52:37) nero_: But we were very busy during the whole fair
 287 (22:54:05) jean7491: cd : by canonical 200 cd's for 158 euro (but tax ?)
 288 (22:54:09) nero_: I think that Jurgen already stated that a long power cord &
 289 power outlets should be taken
 290 (22:54:26) jean7491: idd
 291 (22:55:12) JanC: jean7491: tax is + 17%
 292 (22:55:36) jean7491: nero_ : lesson learned : use de wiki as check-list
 293 (22:56:12) nero_: We'll do
 294 (22:56:24) jean7491:  ;-) 
 295 (22:56:27) JanC: well, probably someone sold long power cords on the fair?  ;) 
 296 (22:57:03) jean7491: but with good neightbours !
 297 (22:58:07) JanC: actually, 15% taxes from Canonical from the UK
 298 (22:58:26) JanC: yeah, good neighbours helps too
 299 (22:58:37) jean7491: conclusion for cd's: cheapest (and more flexible) is do it
 300 yourself with cd's from dipro
 301 (22:58:47) JanC: 200 CDs = 182.10 € from Canonical
 302 (22:59:15) JanC: jean7491: CDs from Dipro or some other shop that has cheap
 303 CD-Rs
 304 (23:02:02) jean7491: other suggestions ?
 305 (23:02:46) jean7491: other suggestions about promotion material ?
 306 (23:04:00) jean7491: topic 3 - Support points map status ? mongolito404?
 307 (23:04:37) mongolito404: you just catch me as i come to switch my computer
 308 off...
 309 (23:04:48) mongolito404: nothing new for the map, I hadn't the time to work on
 310 it.
 311 (23:04:50) Gh0sty: just in time then ^^
 312 (23:05:52) Rayvr: support points means users who are able to help someone who
 313 wants to get ubuntu??
 314 (23:06:30) mongolito404: Rayvr: Yes
 315 (23:06:47) mongolito404: Lie currently running at map.ubuntu-be.org
 316 (23:06:55) mongolito404: Like not Lie
 317 (23:07:45) Rayvr: then i would like to be in that map
 318 (23:07:50) mongolito404: Except that the code at map.ubuntu-be.org is
 319 unmaintained. I'm rewriting it as a Drupal module
 320 (23:07:57) Rayvr: excelent
 321 (23:08:22) guydup a quitté le salon (quit: "Java user signed off")
 322 (23:08:34) mongolito404: Rayvr: You can still register at map.ubuntu-be.org if
 323 you like
 324 (23:08:58) Rayvr: mongolito404 I'm doing that already  :) 
 325 (23:10:15) mongolito404: Sorry for the lack of progress this week.
 326 (23:10:48) mongolito404: Good night all
 327 (23:10:55) jean7491: no problem !  ;-) 
 328 (23:11:09) Rayvr: daag
 329 (23:11:14) mongolito404: And thank you for the good work at fairs
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 331 (23:11:30) jean7491: other general questions ?
 332 (23:12:20) jean7491: if no question, last topic - next meeting ? next year,
 333 proposed irc meeting on 06/01/2010 at 21 h.
 334 (23:13:07) yanu a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
 335 (23:13:07) XiaoShiZi a quitté le salon (quit: simmons.freenode.net
 336 irc.freenode.net)
 337 (23:13:49) Rayvr: ok
 338 (23:14:39) jean7491: JanC ?
 339 (23:14:48) JanC: okay for me
 340 (23:14:54) nero_: ok
 341 (23:16:26) yanu [n=yanu@d54C5F090.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
 342 (23:16:55) jean7491: Good night all, thanks for your participation !