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   1 * Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est :  http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2010-01-27 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
   2 * Sujet de #ubuntu-be défini par jean74911 le Thu Jan 21 00:21:01 2010
   3 * #ubuntu-be :http://www.ubuntu-be.org/
   4 <mimor_> toch wel :)
   5 <jean7491> hi to all , who is here for the meeting ?
   6 <XiaoShiZi> +1
   7 <wamukota> bonsoir Jean, i'm here
   8 * jean74911 (n=jm@109.236.143.163) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
   9 * pvandewyngaerde (n=id984031@186.205-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  10 <JanC> o/
  11 <mimor_> i am
  12 <jean7491> hello XiaoShiZi, wanukota, JanC, mimor_, ...
  13 <pvandewyngaerde> hi jean74911
  14 <XiaoShiZi> evening
  15 <jean7491> anyone else ?
  16 <Rayvr> me
  17 * mimor_ s'appelle maintenant mimor
  18 <jean7491> hello Rayvr
  19 <jean7491> LarsB ?
  20 <LarsB> aanwezig
  21 <jean7491> hello ! hfsdo ?
  22 <pvandewyngaerde> Gh0sty ?
  23 <JanC> Gh0sty zal wel weer halverwege wakker worden  ;)
  24 <Gh0sty> halfwakker
  25 <Gh0sty> alive niet
  26 <jean7491> ok Gh0sty, ...  let's start with topic 1 – past and future events 
  27 <jean7491> dipro hasselt 24/01 - report - Lars B ?
  28 <LarsB> on its way
  29 <LarsB> will be in tomorrow morning
  30 <Rayvr> this will be in the wiki?
  31 <jean7491> ok, a few words about the event ? 
  32 <jean7491> or from other participants ?
  33 <LarsB> It was a good fair, but not that many people
  34 <JanC> most important if you had good contact with visitors
  35 <LarsB> We where ready now before the first people came so thats a good sign :)
  36 <LarsB> Well I had some really good conversations with people
  37 <JanC> cool
  38 <LarsB> I even helped someone with his computer, he came to my place on monday
  39 <LarsB> he had installed ubuntu twice by mistake and now everything was slow because the partition only was 7GB for both installation xD
  40 <LarsB> only for next fair i want to find something to put the poster on behind us
  41 <LarsB> like a panel or something
  42 <LarsB> going to ask my uncle for something like that
  43 <jean7491> ok, another important aspect for ubuntu-be and  the members is team working : a way to motivate our people !
  44 <jean7491> so we have a good team in hasselt and genk !
  45 <jean7491> congratulations for the work, i saw your pictures (see in the wiki)
  46 <JanC> LarsB: if your uncle can make multiple things like that for a small amount of money, we might be interested
  47 <LarsB> i'll ask him
  48 <JanC> well small = acceptable for our budget
  49 <LarsB> well for the event box, jean allready knows, we've got 1 computer which Claudio got from his work, and my dad sponsored an old Laptop
  50 <JanC> cool
  51 <LarsB> so next fair we have 2 computers for the event box
  52 <jean7491> thanks LarsB,      Rayvr : other comment 
  53 <pvandewyngaerde> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Hasselt_2010-01-24 <= pictures
  54 <Rayvr> First great experience, unfortunatelly I couldnt take an active role, my dutch is not enough
  55 <jean7491> no problem, we are all learning something in these events !
  56 <jean7491> and not all visitors are speaking dutch
  57 <JanC> you can always burn CD-Rs & such
  58 <LarsB> he was :)
  59 <Rayvr> indeed
  60 <JanC> that frees other people for talking
  61 <JanC> and you can demo international support in Ubuntu  ;)
  62 <LarsB> well that was kinda funny, people trying to read the spanish on his laptop xD
  63 <Rayvr> well, some people asked if the cds were in spanish :P
  64 <jean7491> ... after hasselt, think about the next one in genk !
  65 <JanC> I installed Ubuntu in Turkish once, to help a newlywed Turkish girl in Ghent use the 2nd hand laptop they bought at a dipro fair  ☺
  66 <jean7491> other comment for hasselt ?
  67 <Rayvr> hfsdo ...
  68 * samgee (n=samgee@fsf/member/samgee) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  69 * pvandewyngaerde1 (n=id984031@186.205-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  70 <jean7491> if not, next one : dipro ghent 31/01
  71 <jean7491> team is ok, preparation is ongoing, kenneth is coordinating the booth, irc meeting last monday.
  72 <jean7491> comment about dipro ghent ?
  73 <pvandewyngaerde1> its WK veldrijden, maybe not a lot of people will show up around 15-17 , at least not the cyclocross fanaticss
  74 <JanC> I think one point is that they won't have original CDs if I don't go...
  75 * samgee (n=samgee@fsf/member/samgee) a quitté #ubuntu-be ("Leaving")
  76 <JanC> maybe I'll go for the start but go home early
  77 <mimor> that might be bad :(
  78 <mimor> you can just drop them off some day?
  79 <JanC> unless I find another way to get them to Ghent before
  80 <jean7491> did you ask to kenneth ? 
  81 <mimor> if you happen to be in Ghent, you might want to drop them off at my place
  82 <JanC> I could come to Ghent & combine with something else maybe
  83 * pvandewyngaerde est parti (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  84 <mimor> for example of combining... visit ghent and drink a beer ;)
  85 <JanC> that reminds me, maybe I could go to the Hopduvel to get my empty beer bottles exchanged for filled ones...
  86 <mimor> :)
  87 <mimor> if you want, I'm home during evenings... just give me a call or something
  88 <JanC> maybe talk about it after teh meeting?
  89 <XiaoShiZi> 1001
  90 <mimor> ok
  91 <jean7491> other comment for ghent ?
  92 <jean7491> if not, next item dipro kortrijk 07/02
  93 <mimor> nope
  94 <JanC> jean7491: I asked liezie & she can't come to help
  95 <mimor> we had a meeting on monday, so you can read everything there
  96 <jean7491> dipro kortrijk 07/02 - as now, minimum team = 3
  97 <mimor> if you still have questions after this, you can ask it here or send en email to the mailinglist
  98 <JanC> are there any volunteers outside of you (maybe?) & yanu ?
  99 <wamukota> i'm going to Kortrijk
 100 <pvandewyngaerde1> test
 101 <JanC> so, jean7491 + wamukota + yanu ?
 102 <pvandewyngaerde1> my wireless is unstable
 103 <jean7491> so we are with 3, a minimum
 104 <JanC> is it at the Kortrijk Expo again?
 105 <wamukota> Xpo Meeting Center
 106 <jean7491> yes,  and i still try to find another person from ostend
 107 <jean7491> but not sure 
 108 <JanC> parking is paid, unless you park somewhere outside of the Xpo space
 109 <jean7491> is parking paid by dipro or to be paid by exposants ?
 110 <JanC> exposants & visitors, but last time it was cheaper than the "normal" price after exchanging your parking ticket at the entrance
 111 <JanC> jean7491 & wamukota: are you driving together?
 112 <jean7491> ok for parking, about the preparation, yanu comes with a lot of hardware, i will start the coordination next days
 113 <wamukota> yes, Jean picks me up
 114 <jean7491> JanC yes
 115 <JanC> so, it's only 2 parking tickets (was 1.5 € / car IIRC)
 116 <jean7491> JanC, can you provide to wamukota cd's for kortrijk, as well as for digital week in ostend
 117 <JanC> as well as his talk at the community center
 118 <JanC> jean7491: how many do you need for Ostend?
 119 <jean7491> 10 is enough
 120 <jean7491> i've 2x 1 hour demo and presentation in bib ostend on 11/03
 121 <JanC> that's cool
 122 <jean7491> if you are free on this day ?
 123 <JanC> maybe, please remind me closer to that date  ☺
 124 <jean7491> ok, other comment for kortrijk ? 
 125 <jean7491> if no comment, Fosdem 2010 6-7/02
 126 <jean7491> JanC ? : something to announce ?
 127 <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/2010 --> some info
 128 <JanC> jean7491: you asked why that URL --> somebody else made that page before I could make one (for the dinner), so I put other info on it too
 129 <jean7491> ok
 130 <jean7491> other information ?
 131 <mimor> I've put the link on the event list on the ubuntub-be wiki main page
 132 <Rayvr> I'll put my name in the Dipro wikipage
 133 <JanC> as said on the ML before: I have t-shirts, mugs, stickers, etc. to sell at the booth (arrived yesterday), including some Kubuntu things for the KDE fanboys & -girls  ;)
 134 * wamukota_ (n=alain@83.101.79.40) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 135 <JanC> Rayvr: what Dipro-page?
 136 <Rayvr> sorry, FOSDEM
 137 <JanC> cool
 138 <JanC> and we want to have a dinner on Friday evening with Ubuntu-people from all over
 139 <Rayvr> and then are you going to this café?
 140 <LarsB> the page says saturday?
 141 <JanC> (if we can find a place that accepts reservations)
 142 <Rayvr> yup
 143 <JanC> Rayvr: Friday evening there is the FOSDEM beer event, where we will be too
 144 <JanC> Saturday evening, we'll try to eat together
 145 <Rayvr> so, you're going to stay in Brussels on friday night
 146 <JanC> my aunt & uncle live in Wezembeek-Oppem, just outside Brussels
 147 <JanC> pvandewyngaerde1 & me will sleep there
 148 <Rayvr> ok
 149 <JanC> Rayvr: you need sleeping space ?
 150 <Rayvr> yea, but I'm not sure I'm attending yet
 151 <JanC> on Friday or the weekend?
 152 <Rayvr> but if I have a place to sleep it will help to take my decisition :p
 153 <Rayvr> friday, weekend I'll be coming back to my place
 154 <mimor> eh
 155 <mimor> JanC, can I stay too?
 156 <LarsB> i'm off to bed. See you all :)
 157 * LarsB est parti ()
 158 <mimor> I can ofc. just drive back to ghent..; and back to brussels; and back to ghent...
 159 <mimor> but I won't be able to attend the beer-meeting ofc
 160 <mimor> if i still have to drive
 161 <jean7491> other (more urgent) coordination for fosdem ?
 162 * wamukota est parti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 163 <jean7491> if not, next item : Antwerp, hobby & computerdagen (20/02/2010 – 21/02/2010)
 164 <jean7491> as mentionned last week, we have a proposal from hcc regio vlanderen for a cooperation within their booth
 165 <jean7491> guy will provide a multiseat, I hope the volunteers will have an additional table at disposal for promo material and some hardware 
 166 * mongolito404 est parti ("Leaving.")
 167 <jean7491> nero will coordinate the ubuntu team 
 168 <JanC> maybe I can help 1 day, not sure yet
 169 <pvandewyngaerde1> any cheap sleeping places ?
 170 <jean7491> about volunteers, we will have to call for additional volunteers from a'pen area
 171 <jean7491> ok JanC
 172 <JanC> peopel fro mA'pen area preferred of course  ;)
 173 <JanC> pvandewyngaerde1: you mean for FOSDEM or H&C days ?
 174 <pvandewyngaerde1> h&c days
 175 <JanC> maybe nero can best answer that
 176 <JanC> & contact Ubuntu peopel in A'pen
 177 <pvandewyngaerde1> its a lot of traveling for me
 178 <JanC> sure
 179 <jean7491> (nero is from mechelen, i think)   i'll start next week looking for volunteers in a'pen area
 180 <JanC> well, maybe people can help by providing sleeping space too  ;)
 181 <JanC> even if they can't help @ the booth
 182 <JanC> might be useful to mention that
 183 <JanC> BTW: if we have anything left from the stuff we ordered to sell at FOSDEM, we might sell that at H&C days in Antwerp...
 184 <jean7491> ok
 185 <Rayvr> great
 186 <JanC> (maybe also order more, if people think that's useful)
 187 <pvandewyngaerde1> depens a lot on the customer profile
 188 <jean7491> if people think that's useful: who?
 189 <JanC> I ordered late last Thursday evening, and it arrived Tuesday
 190 <pvandewyngaerde1> btw, what did you order exactly ?
 191 <JanC> pvandewyngaerde1: lots of stuff  ;)
 192 <jean7491> as nobody from a'pen, i presume no other comment on this event ?
 193 <jean7491> we will speak later about other dipro fairs (Brugge, Charleroi, Mechelen, Oostmalle, Genk, Ghent, Antwerp)  
 194 <JanC> t-shirts (men & ladies), stickers, mugs, mouse mats (all Ubuntu & Kubuntu), plus keychains & lanyards (Ubuntu)
 195 <jean7491> topic 2 - Promotion material
 196 <JanC> pvandewyngaerde1: so please tell your Kubuntu friends to buy ;)
 197 <jean7491> Update of promotion material: any new idea ?
 198 <jean7491> or comment about the proposal to burn CD's for Ubuntu-be ?
 199 <pvandewyngaerde1> my KDE friends
 200 * wamukota_ est parti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 201 <pvandewyngaerde1> lets ask yahoo to sponsor us
 202 <JanC> SWAT: around?
 203 <mimor> pvandewyngaerde1, don't start ><
 204 <Rayvr> hehe
 205 <jean7491> comment about promo material ?
 206 <JanC> if SWAT is around, maybe he can say if ubuntu-nl is interested in CDs too
 207 <JanC> furthermore, Bart promised he wants to help with the CD (as he did for the 8.04 CD)
 208 <jean7491> details ?
 209 <JanC> help with getting the CD master to the company & getting the pressed CDs back to Belgium
 210 <jean7491> is it possible in our budget ? necessary to find sponsors ?
 211 <pvandewyngaerde1> we try to find a sponser,  and still sell them
 212 <jean7491> i've no experience selling ubuntu cd's
 213 <JanC> we can pre-finance them with our budget, but we need to sell them and/or get sponsors to (partially?) pay for them
 214 <jean7491> sponsors with logo's on cd sleeves ?
 215 <pvandewyngaerde1> or custom desktop,  or search engine  ?
 216 <mimor> pvandewyngaerde1 was clearly shocked by the news :D
 217 <JanC> eh?
 218 <JanC> google paid before, now it's yahoo?
 219 <pvandewyngaerde1> that is what i have read on tha InterWebz
 220 <XiaoShiZi> will it be a be/nl version? if so we need to concider the qwerty azerty keyboard usage. be use far more azerty nl is quit a lot using qwerty as keyboardlayout
 221 <JanC> XiaoShiZi: yes, that's an issue if ubuntu-nl wants CDs too  ;)
 222 <XiaoShiZi> wake up SWAT
 223 <jean7491> why only be/nl and not be/nl/fr/de/en ?
 224 <JanC> but anyway, it's only about default, you can choose whatever you want
 225 <XiaoShiZi> right
 226 <jean7491> or more general a copy of the original 10.04?
 227 <JanC> jean7491: we can't have more than one language default  ;)
 228 <JanC> and we can't have all translations for nl on the CD without removing other languages
 229 <Rayvr> yea, like Fedora
 230 <JanC> unless we make a DVD of course
 231 <XiaoShiZi> what's price diff cd/dvd?
 232 <pvandewyngaerde1> then we can have KDE on it too
 233 <JanC> not sure
 234 <Rayvr> haha
 235 <mimor> I can't see why you would want to make a dutch spin-off
 236 <JanC> because it's easier for people?
 237 <mimor> it makes it like 4 clicks at most less to do when you install...?
 238 <XiaoShiZi> remember older systems sometimes don't have dvd player
 239 <mimor> XiaoShiZi, older systems don't even have a cd-rom drive ;)
 240 <JanC> XiaoShiZi: I doubt that's an issue for most peopel in .be, but you have a point
 241 <selckin> never systems don't either:p
 242 <selckin> *newer
 243 <JanC> selckin: but most people have one in their desktop/laptop to create an USB for their netbook  ;)
 244 <mimor> or try to push it over some parallel port :)
 245 <XiaoShiZi> maybe we can let make an usb stick with the be/fr/nl/en system on it
 246 <mimor> nvm, not constructive comments :s
 247 <selckin> overlaatst op de planet iemand die diskette boot levend wou houden :p
 248 <mimor> dat hij gelijk had!
 249 <mimor> I guess the best way to make the be/nl spinn available for the online communicty
 250 <mimor> then we can check if it realy adds value for new users and decide if we want to 'invest' in this
 251 <jean7491> enough for this evening, we continue this topic at the next meeting
 252 <mimor> k
 253 <pvandewyngaerde1> hey hey
 254 <pvandewyngaerde1> what about things living in the mailing list,  ubuntu-be reapproval ?
 255 <jean7491> topic 3 support points map status : unfortunatly mongoliti404 left
 256 <JanC> ubuntu-be reapproval I'd like to tackle after FOSDEM  ;)
 257 <jean7491> i have no new information and i suggest we skip this topic
 258 <jean7491> topic 4 – things living in the mailing list 
 259 <JanC> XiaoShiZi: USB sticks are much more expenive than CDs
 260 <jean7491> the procedure for reapproval-application is started
 261 <jean7491> I am looking for the “history” of ubuntu-be : the wiki is the first source of information, but not exhaustive
 262 <JanC> jean7491: mailing list archive & IRC logs are other sources, but please let us move this until after FOSDEM  ☺
 263 <JanC> (which doesn't mean nobody can work on it before FOSDEM, but I don't plan on making a final reapproval wiki page until after)
 264 <jean7491> i only speak about information, not yet thinking about draft application
 265 <mimor> if the wiki is a point, there is still a lot of work to do :)
 266 <mimor> where are the expectations listed for re-approval?
 267 <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval + follow links
 268 <jean7491> i don't see mailing list archive & IRC logs as coherent source!
 269 <jean7491> and i wonder what happened in 2007 and 2008, and not in the wiki
 270 <jean7491> example: no after action report about the release party 8.04 in herk-de-stad, only preparation ...
 271 <JanC> there is some on the ML
 272 <JanC> and on various blogs
 273 <JanC> but you're right that it would be better if that would havebeen on the wiki too  ;)
 274 <jean7491> it is not serious if not 1 report ubuntu-be ! what about relation with "non-profit, and inter-governmental institutions" since 2006 ? 
 275 <JanC> maybe we should make monthly reports like some other locoteams already do?
 276 <jean7491> it will not help the vacuum 2007-2008 !
 277 <mimor> I guess the thing with digipolis can be in there too
 278 <JanC> there is some stuff in the ML at least
 279 <mimor> it's some semi-inter-governmental institution :)
 280 <JanC> mimor: indeed
 281 <jean7491> relation with schools, with press ?
 282 <jean7491> to close for today the topic reapproval, i'm interested by information about what ubuntu-be has done in 2007-2008 without comment in the wiki , especially report about the rp 8.04
 283 <mimor> schepen van informatica will do to explain whom he is :)
 284 <JanC> jean7491: there are several links to reports on the April/May 2008 ML archive
 285 <pvandewyngaerde1> fosdem @ 2007 and 2008
 286 <jean7491> and no mention about fosdem 2009 in the wiki ?
 287 <mimor> Fosdem 2008 ... I won at the daw !!! :D
 288 <jean7491> several links to reports on the April/May 2008 ML archive : do i have to read everything ?
 289 <JanC> jean7491: *you* don't have to, other people can do that
 290 <JanC> I guess there was no wikipage for FOSDEM 2009 (I didn't have internet access during most of the period before that)
 291 <jean7491> wondering who is other people ? bart was the most active in the rp, i suppose ? does he has a summary or report about the rp ?
 292 <JanC> jean7491: I went through the archive recently, so I know more or less what to search for
 293 <mimor> k I'm off
 294 <JanC> don't worry, most teams have less than us to show  ;)
 295 <jean7491> did ubuntu-be participate to the fosdem 2009 ?
 296 <JanC> yes, of course we did
 297 <JanC> that's on the ML too
 298 <JanC> but no report afterwards I suppose
 299 <jean7491> any idea about contact with the press or other medias ?
 300 <JanC> not directly
 301 <JanC> although Ubuntu has been mentioned in the press
 302 <jean7491> since 10/2006 ?
 303 <JanC> 8.04 RP was mentioned in the press for sure
 304 <JanC> certainly in HBvL
 305 <JanC> but maybe we should have a separate meeting about all this after FOSDEM somewhere
 306 <jean7491> ok, other questions?
 307 <JanC> well, my proposal to have regular (monthly) reporting, which should make sure you don't have to pose those questions anymore in the future ?  ;)
 308 <jean7491> it is possible, who will do it ?
 309 <jean7491> ?
 310 <JanC> that's something to discuss
 311 <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
 312 <JanC> using this will make sure our reports get picked up into the international team reports
 313 * mimor_ (n=mimor@78-22-120-93.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 314 <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo
 315 <JanC> maybe somebody wants to be responsible for it...  ;-)
 316 <pvandewyngaerde1> report about the new site ?
 317 * hfsdo est parti ("Leaving")
 318 <mimor> JanC, if you're in ghent, just send me an email
 319 <mimor> or something
 320 <mimor> ;)
 321 <XiaoShiZi> postduif ;-)
 322 <jean7491> why not a monthly report ? in fact it is like a summary of 4-5 weekly IRC meeting reports
 323 <mimor> bye
 324 <yanu> hoe kan ik in nautilis meegeven smb://username@ipnr/sharedmap : de username zou er automatisch moeten komen, iets in de trant van %u
 325 <yanu> kan dat?
 326 <JanC> jean7491: summary of 4-5 IRC meetings + whatever news was posted to the ML, yes
 327 <JanC> yanu: probeer even in #ubuntu-nl (meeting bezig)  ;)
 328 <jean7491> why not, if somebody is volunteer to do it ?
 329 <JanC> good
 330 <yanu> oei, ja 't is woensdag, sorry
 331 <JanC> now find a (Chinese) volunteer  ;-)
 332 <jean7491> yanu, i contact you later for coordination about kortrijk dipro
 333 <jean7491> other comment ?
 334 <yanu> jean7491: i upated the wiki
 335 <Rayvr> allez
 336 <Rayvr> tot de volgende
 337 <jean7491> yanu : ok
 338 <jean7491> last topic - next meeting on 03/02/2010 at 21 h.
 339 <pvandewyngaerde1> i will not be able to make it
 340 <jean7491> thanks to all for your participation !
 341 <pvandewyngaerde1> np, but i have to go to sleep now,  early day 2mrrw
 342 <XiaoShiZi> good night and dream of the pinguin