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   1 <jean7491> Hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 <Clamam> Hello
   3 <massimo21> i am
   4 <jean7491> hello Clamam , massimo21 !
   5 <jean7491> JanC ? mongolito404 ? yanu ?
   6 <jean7491> anyone else for the meeting ?
   7 * nero_ (~nero@ip-81-11-229-3.dsl.scarlet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
   8 <jean7491> nero_ back online ?
   9 <nero_> yep
  10 <jean7491> nice
  11 <jean7491> JanC ? mongolito404 ? yanu ?
  12 <JanC> o/
  13 <jean7491> hello JanC 
  14 <jean7491> i propose we start with the meeting, hoping others will join later
  15 <jean7491> topic #1. past and future events -  September 2010 - update
  16 <jean7491>  first item,  Dipro fair 05/09 Ghent-report
  17 <jean7491> kenneth wrote : not a lot of people showed up, contact with people from PCVO Ghent, they organise linux courses but use suse.
  18 <jean7491> JanC comment ?
  19 <JanC> well, it wasn't really _that_ bad IMO, but not as much people as, say, 2 years ago (we've seen number of visitors go down slowly over the years...)
  20 <JanC> and the people from PCVO will contact Kenneth to provide some flyers for future fairs
  21 <jean7491> JanC : ok, are there other proposed activities in ghent to replace dipro ? 
  22 <JanC> not yet AFAIK
  23 <JanC> we don't have to drop all dipro fairs anyway
  24 <jean7491> ok, i was just wondering if we could find other activities in ghent ?
  25 <jean7491> but only local people can look for !
  26 <jean7491> next event : dipro antwerp 12/09 (coordinator : bram), core-team is now 4 volunteers,  afaik
  27 <jean7491> additional volunteers? please contact directly bram and add your name in wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2010-09-12  
  28 <jean7491> nothing to report about the other future dipro fairs
  29 <jean7491>  second item,  Software Freedom Day (18/9) http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/FrontPage 
  30 <jean7491> an event is planned in ostend in cooperation with zandletters.be, volunteers are welcome for assistance, …
  31 <jean7491> and no idea about other planned activities elsewhere in belgium ?
  32 <jean7491> if no comment, next
  33 <jean7491>  third item,  Nielse computer dag (26/9) in cooperation with local computerclub monitor …
  34 <jean7491>  team with nero as coordinator, only 1 volunteer appeared last meeting. 
  35 <JanC> Niel is not far from Antwerp, maybe some people from the Antwerp dipro fair want to help?
  36 <jean7491> perhaps, nero will certainly look for !
  37 <jean7491> nero_ comment ?
  38 <nero_> I did not receive any reaction on my request. Does it appear on the mailing list?
  39 <jean7491> your request: yes, answers: no
  40 <nero_> I still can ask next Sunday in Antwerp
  41 <jean7491> idd, ask bram, and other contacts by hcc ?
  42 <nero_> I asked in HCC last Monday, but no candidates :(
  43 <jean7491> nero_ : ok, we still have time, you can ask 3 laptops from antwerp events box
  44 <nero_> ok
  45 <jean7491>  call through the report: volunteers ? please add your name in the wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Niel_2010-09-26
  46 <jean7491> nero_ did you mailed to the organisator monitor ?
  47 <jean7491> nero_ : i suggest you contact jhonny (organisator)  for coordination
  48 <jean7491> other comment about events ?
  49 <jean7491> no answer , next topic # 2. Promotion
  50 <jean7491> first item Adding commercial links to the website 
  51 <jean7491> JanC : something new since last meeting ?
  52 <JanC> I've been working on the mail server, it's basically ready, except for external access (port forwarding to the VPS) and testing
  53 <JanC> I'll try to get that done tomorrow (I have to ask FSFFrance for the portforwarding)
  54 <jean7491> ok, let me know when you test it and when it is ok. ,  i'll prepare draft information for the m-l
  55 <mongolito404> jean7491: Are you still waiing for comments on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Commercial_links-draft ? I know it has been there for a long time
  56 <jean7491> if you have comment, we can adapt the draft!
  57 <jean7491> i'll be happy to have other inputs
  58 <mongolito404> ok, I will add them to the wiki
  59 <jean7491> JanC : the system you are working on is forwarding the received mail to some interested people, only incoming mail, i suppose?
  60 <JanC> basically, yes, and I can also make individual forwards for people (e.g. jean@ubuntu-be.org forwarding to your address, etc.)
  61 <jean7491> ok, i've to think about, priority is contact@ubuntu-be.org ...
  62 <jean7491> as we already spoke about, idea is to forward the (external) request to a group of interested  people, who will answer after an internal coordination (for yes or no and who will answer to the request) ...
  63 <JanC> yep
  64 <jean7491> the member in charge of the answer can use his email address, and when information for publication is received in the same address, it will be pass to admin for addition in the website
  65 <mongolito404> Seems good
  66 <jean7491>  i wrote “ interested people” (only condition is member of the Be LoCo team, interested and not to close with the applicant - example: guydup cannot decide for his request!
  67 <mongolito404> As I said earlier, request can be discussed in meetings and/or using private email (or any other media)
  68 <jean7491> idd, next step (after JanC is ready with), who (member only) is interested to cooperate in this matter?
  69 <JanC> I am
  70 <mongolito404> I'm
  71 <jean7491> i suppose mark too, in a past meeting, massimo21 said he was interested
  72 <massimo21> idd
  73 <jean7491> + me
  74 <jean7491> and we see for reactions in the m-l
  75 <jean7491> as reserve, and in case of need, i opened an address "contact-ubuntu-be@gmail.com" that we can use and share if necessary
  76 <jean7491> other comment on this item ?
  77 <JanC> not now
  78 <mongolito404> no additional comments from me
  79 <jean7491> next item,  t-shirts for Ubuntu-be ?
  80 <jean7491>  we are waiting for other design proposals  , thank you for massimo21 for your proposals…
  81 <jean7491> seepage  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsT-shirts 
  82 <massimo21> yyou're welcome
  83 <jean7491> as previously decided, preselection at the next irc meeting
  84 <jean7491> other comment ?
  85 <jean7491> next item 3 ubuntu and facebook ?
  86 <jean7491>  i've absolutely no skill in this matter, ...
  87 <mongolito404> me neither
  88 <jean7491>  not everybody is happy with, but it is a fact and we should take it in account
  89 <Clamam> we can make a group like the other groups of ubuntu on Facebook
  90 <nero_> Sorry, I'v been called away...
  91 <jean7491> and a page ubuntu-be exists
  92 <massimo21> where
  93 <jean7491> on nero_ bye, take contact with monitor
  94 <JanC> IMO we should only do it if some trusted person(s) manage the page
  95 <nero_> will do
  96 <mongolito404> jean7491:  the ubuntu-be page on FB already exists ?
  97 <Clamam> who made it, only 28 members
  98 <massimo21> who menages it?
  99 <jean7491> i've no access facebook, i was told it exist : Steven Van Landeghem 
 100 <JanC> also, I'm against Facebook out of principle (they are incompetent and fascistic), but it's a free world, so others are free to use it  ;)
 101 <jean7491> idd
 102 <nero_> I have no account on Facebook, Netlog or what the like, and no intention do subscibe
 103 <jean7491> nor me, but it is factual
 104 <Clamam> ok, so the group exist on Facebook, we have to update the wiki.
 105 <mongolito404> The page exists, why not just ask on the ML who is currently in charge of it ? Or ask directly on FB (if somebody has an account)
 106 <JanC> is Steven Van Landeghem somebody we know well & can trust?  (I don't want any "anti-M$" stuff or political fights or whatever on such a page...)
 107 <mongolito404> And yes, if the page exists on FB, we should link to at. Unless there is strogn evidence that the page is managed by some wrong-doing individual (I doubt it)
 108 <JanC> I seem to know that name from something...
 109 <JanC> maybe the ML  ☺
 110 <jean7491> the group exist, perhaps, but it is not a group, only individual initiative: we should try some form of organization to avoid disorder
 111 <Clamam> i have an account, i can ask if he is a member of Ubuntu-be and if he can attend a IRC-meeting
 112 <jean7491> he is not on be locotem launchpad ...
 113 <JanC> Clamam: please do
 114 <jean7491> we need a team of interested people to look forward how to? and to ensure a “animated” page about our activities
 115 <jean7491> to avoid 1 person in charge!
 116 <Clamam> ok, will ask him.
 117 <jean7491> and ask about a facebook team ubuntu-be ?
 118 <jean7491> are there volunteers to cooperate in this team ? i don't know facebook rules and how a team can work on an ubuntu-be page : we need expertise from ?
 119 <jean7491> hoping for reaction after the report on this matter
 120 <jean7491> other comment on this topic ?
 121 <Clamam> i have just contacted steven for more details on his page and th efuture cooperation between us.
 122 <jean7491> ok
 123 <jean7491> other comments for now ... we have to think about before going on !
 124 <mongolito404> Speaking of Social Networking, I remind you that there is a Ubuntu-be group on identi.ca (the FOSS Twitter)
 125 <jean7491> i joined it, but no activity, and i don't see the need (imho)
 126 <mongolito404> jean7491: The need of the group or of indenti.ca ?
 127 <mongolito404> Anyway, it's just a anothe tools our members can use
 128 <JanC> as with facebook: it's there for those who want it  ☺
 129 <jean7491> just i don't see the need to tell what i'm doing
 130 <Clamam> we can announce upcoming events on it.
 131 <jean7491> on facebook , i suppose
 132 <massimo21> and reply some of the mailing list on it
 133 <Clamam> or you can tell everybody the colors of your socks:-D:P
 134 <massimo21> lol
 135 <JanC> whatever, social networking is for those who want it, nobody has to use it
 136 <mongolito404> There is even a reminder service that we can maybe use...
 137 <JanC> mongolito404: interesting
 138 <mongolito404> Lets try it, when is the next meeting ? newt week ?
 139 <massimo21> doesn't google  have a similar thing?
 140 <jean7491> ok, we'll see reactions/informations next meeting ...
 141 <JanC> there are about a zillion things like that  ;)
 142 <jean7491> i propose to continue with next item
 143 <jean7491> item 4. ubuntu and education ...
 144 <jean7491> a lot af things are related to education, ...
 145 <jean7491> contacts with pcvo, promotion in school, ...
 146 <jean7491> what can we propose to schools ? ...
 147 <massimo21> i toght also buurthuizen?
 148 <jean7491> example “ICTpraktijkdag” in november - hasselt ...
 149 <massimo21> propose workshops
 150 <Clamam> we can do that.
 151 <jean7491> for that, we need expertise, we need an “education-team”  with teachers to help the promotion (content and how to?)
 152 <jean7491> to support local initiatives ...
 153 <jean7491> like workshops in "buurthuizen"
 154 <jean7491> not everybody has teacher skill ...
 155 <massimo21> but if you do you can do it
 156 <jean7491> the problem is to find people interested, teachers ? who can help with expertise ...
 157 <massimo21> me and clamam are working on it
 158 <JanC> koen wybo might be interested
 159 <jean7491> but if you do you can do it ... but perhaps a wrong way to do it
 160 <JanC> and maybe yanu has some ideas too
 161 <jean7491> koen, yanu ? matthias ? there are a lot ...
 162 <Clamam> we need expertise because the ICT praktijkdag is not just a fair.
 163 <JanC> koen has given talks at ICT praktijkdag before, I think
 164 <JanC> or something similar at least
 165 <Clamam> Koen Mercken?
 166 <jean7491> no koen wybo
 167 <Clamam> Kontakt info? mailinglist?
 168 <jean7491> question is : who will take initiative to gather the teachers (and interested) in a group to discuss the matter ?
 169 <mongolito404> Guys, I'm off to bed (no progress on the map, I planned to work on it tonight but got caught I a Montreal job hunt).
 170 <massimo21> maybe i can ask teacher at TIKB houthalen
 171 <jean7491> ok mongolito404, thanks for your help
 172 <massimo21> he teaches ubuntu
 173 <JanC> Clamam: koen.wybo@telenet.be
 174 <Clamam> massimo22: good
 175 <Clamam> JanC: Thanks
 176 <jean7491> btw 1 of the secondary (not main) tasks could be listing available linux-ubuntu courses (for beginners?), but it is not the main task of an education team
 177 <jean7491>  massimo21 : additionally ask teacher at TIKB houthalen if he know other courses in area brussels, mechelen, leuven as question was raised in the mailing list
 178 <JanC> commercial linux courses can go on the commercial page  ☺
 179 <jean7491> commercial or not, both
 180 <massimo21> i will ask my mother. she is in i
 181 <massimo21> in his cours
 182 <jean7491> other comment on this item ?
 183 <Clamam> no
 184 <jean7491> next item 5 : cd's
 185 <jean7491> frederic asked cd's for the Eclectic Tech Carnival in brussels on 6/9: JanC did you have contact with ?
 186 * mongolito404 est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 187 <jean7491> JanC ?
 188 <jean7491> another point : in another m-l, canonical told additional original cd's 10.04 are available for loco teams on request ...
 189 <jean7491> imho we always can use additional cd's , even after arrival of 10.10, just for another public
 190 <jean7491>  public who does not care about the last one version ...
 191 <jean7491> JanC : your opinion ?
 192 <jean7491> JanC thanks for frederic !
 193 * selckin est parti (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 194 <JanC> I just did  ☺
 195 <jean7491> saw it !
 196 <JanC> mongolito404 already reminded me about it too :p
 197 * selckin (~selckin@gwickt.com) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 198 <JanC> yes?
 199 <JanC> yep, I'm just reading about it
 200 <JanC> okay, I'll request some extra CDs
 201 * selckin est parti (Changing host)
 202 * selckin (~selckin@unaffiliated/selckin) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 203 * ttl- est parti (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 204 <JanC> well, I can give more CDs to Frédéric if we get more CDs soon
 205 * ttl- (~ttl@d5153A420.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 206 <jean7491> box are 75 cd's, i suppose you'll find justification !
 207 <jean7491> anyway, it is cheaper than burning cd's
 208 <JanC> free is always cheaper  ☺
 209 <jean7491> idd
 210 <jean7491> btw, don't forget the banner !
 211 <jean7491> if no comment, next topic ...
 212 <jean7491> topic # 3. Update Wiki - are there suggestions ? for facebook, we wait for development!
 213 <jean7491> if no comment, next topic ...
 214 <jean7491> topic# 4. Support points map status : nothing new, we are waiting for mongolito404 availability
 215 <jean7491> topic #5. Things living in the mailing list and others questions ?
 216 <jean7491> For information: welcome to the newcomers in the belgian local community team last week: ...welcome Egon (ILUsion)!
 217 <jean7491>  question raised in the mailing list about linux courses (06/09 – 23,44) around brussels, mechelen, leuven : if you have information or possible contact (not limited to those cities, please let it know! - already discussed !
 218 <massimo21> the bitmappers do coursuses too
 219 <jean7491> do you have details ? on their website ?
 220 <massimo21> i think they are waiting on susciptions
 221 <jean7491> if you have details, we can promote the initiative !
 222 <jean7491> are there other questions, before the question of next meetings-day?
 223 <jean7491> just an information about monthly reports we already spoke about : have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue209 a long newsletter, which includes a lot of information and monthly reports from other teams
 224 <jean7491> last item in questions is next meetings-day ? ...
 225 <JanC> what did work for most (active) people?
 226 <jean7491> what do you mean ?
 227 <jean7491> results ?  which day? 10 answers as follow: monday 6, tuesday 7, wednesday 7, thursday 7 and friday 4 : wednesday and thursday seem a better days 
 228 <jean7491> i excluded tuesday as i'm not available, but someone else can take the lead on tuesday ..
 229 <jean7491> conclusion: do we remain with wednesday or do we try thursday ?
 230 <Clamam> Both are good for me
 231 <massimo21> are it the same people who are available on wensday and thursday?
 232 <massimo21> btw for me is the same
 233 <jean7491> 2 are ok wedn. but not thursday, 3 other ok thursday and not wednesday: total remains 7 and 7
 234 <jean7491> and only 10 answers - JanC our availibility ?
 235 <Clamam> we can not make everybody happy:-/
 236 <massimo21> then i think you should look at the most active members like JanC told
 237 <jean7491> idd, or 2 meetings wedn. and thursday, then we reach 10 people
 238 <jean7491> but i'm not ready to lead 2 meetings/week !
 239 <massimo21> maybe just try thursday and then we will see
 240 * JanC est parti (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 241 <jean7491> idd, as i know warddr (t-shirts) will be available thursday and not wednesday, we can change the next one and see for later
 242 <massimo21> ok
 243 <Clamam> ok
 244 <jean7491> then i propose next meeting on 16/09 at 21 h. 
 245 <massimo21> ok
 246 <massimo21> then i say good night
 247 <massimo21> ;-)
 248 <Clamam> ok
 249 <jean7491> i hope it ok for JanC
 250 <jean7491> end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, and have a good night !