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   1 <jean7491> Hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 <massimo21> Me
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   6 <JanC> hoi
   7 <warddr> hell
   8 <warddr> hello
   9 <massimo21> Hi
  10 <jean7491> hi massimo21 , JanC , warddr
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  12 <JanC> jean7491: do you know if they can use extra people for the Charleroi dipro fair?
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  14 <sarawara> hm, in belgium people speak english, :D
  15 <JanC> sarawara: easier than mixing Dutch, French & German  ;)
  16 <sarawara> i guess so
  17 <JanC> jean7491: sarawara might want to help in Charleroi
  18 <jean7491> ok, i'll send sarawa email address adrien (coordinator)
  19 <JanC> jean7491: also, I should be able to come to Ostend Saturday
  20 <JanC> can we start the meeting?
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  22 <jean7491> hoping other people will join, we start
  23 <jean7491> topic #1. past and future events -  September 2010 - update
  24 <jean7491> first item,  Dipro fair 12/09 antwerp-report
  25 <jean7491> afaik from participants: it was a long busy day till +/- 16,00 hr. visitors were very interested in our booth.
  26 <jean7491> 5 volunteers were sometimes not enough to answer/exchange all visitors. It was a successful event !
  27 <JanC> cool
  28 <warddr> It was bussy till 14;00, after that not really
  29 <JanC> plus, maybe we need more volunteers in Antwerp  ;)
  30 <jean7491> when possible !
  31 <jean7491> other comment ?
  32 <jean7491>  second item,  Software Freedom Day (18/9) http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/FrontPage 
  33 <jean7491> an event is planned in ostend in cooperation with zandletters.be, unfortunately the core-team reduces from 3 to 2 volunteers, but not enough for 3 simultaneous workshops! frank will help in the afternoon, additional volunteers are needed, at least from 10.15 till 12.00 ! …
  34 <jean7491>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/SoftwareFreedomDay2010   
  35 <warddr> Ostend is to far away for me
  36 <jean7491> idd
  37 <JanC> jean7491: what would have to be done?
  38 <JanC> like I said before, I can come
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  40 <jean7491> 4X 1 hour session: i start with 10 min general presentation, after that 3 workgroups office, internet (firefox+avast and multimedia (vlc+picasa): ...
  41 <jean7491> mainly, it is about leading demos and answering questions about foss and other gratis softs, likely low level, ...
  42 <JanC> I don't know anything about picasa and avast  ;)
  43 <JanC> and I didn't prepare anything of course
  44 <warddr> avast is a free windows anti-virus program
  45 <JanC> warddr: that much I know  ☺
  46 <warddr> :D
  47 <JanC> never used though
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  49 <JanC> jean7491: was anything prepared beforehand?
  50 <jean7491> 3 demos- presentations are ready, if you can explain the benefit using firefox and vlc, it's good !
  51 <jean7491> as i'll run the office (openoffice) workshop linked with my presentation/hardware. ...
  52 <JanC> if you can provide the presentations beforehand so that I can prepare a bit  ☺
  53 <jean7491> we have laptops with win xp and 2 pc's with ubuntu (+win xp virtual)
  54 <JanC> hmpf, thunder & hail here...
  55 <jean7491> ok, i send you a mail with presentations 1 general and 3 for workshops
  56 <Clamam> Hello Jean7491-JanC-Massimo21-Warddr-........, can you send me the presentations to?
  57 <warddr> I don't know what you're talking about, but if you want to ping us all you should use a space, not a dash
  58 <Clamam> i just want to say hello because i was a little bit late for the meeting
  59 <warddr> Oh, ok. Hello Clamam
  60 <jean7491> JanC : i start installation at 09.30, but the underground parking opens at 10.00 h.
  61 <JanC> jean7491: free parking?  ☺
  62 <jean7491> yes, but closed from 12 to 13, good if you can come at 10 hr. (or trein+kusttram?
  63 <jean7491> it means you can not leave the parking between 12 and 13 hr.
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  66 <jean7491> for informztion, this is the only Software Freedom Day activity announced in Belgium.
  67 <JanC> I'll look up where it is and see how I come
  68 <jean7491> i contact you later about it
  69 <jean7491>  third item,  Nielse computer dag (26/9) in cooperation with local computerclub monitor …
  70 <jean7491>  team with nero as coordinator and 3 volunteers,  additional volunteers are welcome !  
  71 <jean7491> volunteers ? please add your name in the wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Niel_2010-09-26
  72 <warddr> I'll wait some time, if in about a week there still are only 3 volunteers I'll go there as well
  73 <warddr> but I see 5 names in the wiki?
  74 <jean7491> i mean nero +3 = 4 - it looks good for this event! 
  75 <jean7491> the 5th is busy with a fon booth next to ubuntu-be booth
  76 <jean7491> but running ubuntu 
  77 <warddr> I see
  78 <jean7491> ok
  79 <warddr> I should read better before I comment next time
  80 <jean7491> no problem, dipro charleroi and hasselt are on track
  81 <jean7491> other question about events ?
  82 <jean7491> for your agenda: sfd2011 is on saturday 17th september 2011
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  84 <nero_> Hi, I just have a few minutes to follow
  85 <jean7491> hallo nero_ i saw team for niel is ok with 4 volunteers
  86 <nero_> I think we can manage that, yes
  87 <nero_> Something new?
  88 <jean7491> do you have laptops from a'pen ?
  89 <nero_> Not shure if we need then
  90 <nero_> otherwise I'll collect them from Bram
  91 <jean7491> ok, you see and ask what you need
  92 <jean7491> idem for cd's
  93 <nero_> Is JanC online?
  94 <JanC> yes
  95 <JanC> nero_: ?
  96 <warddr> We made a stock in Antwerp, there are some cd's to start with
  97 <JanC> nero_: if you need CDs, I have many now
  98 <nero_> Are you at home saturday to get some CD's?
  99 <JanC> nero_: I will be in Ostend helping jean7491
 100 <JanC> but in the evening I will be home
 101 <nero_> What's the address? I'll pass by to get the cd's
 102 <JanC> nero_: in the evening?
 103 <nero_> Until what time is that event?
 104 <jean7491> sfd at the municipal library kris lambert in ostend ends at 15 hr
 105 <nero_> it will be later
 106 <nero_> around 18hrs
 107 <JanC> then I will be home
 108 <jean7491> nero_ : other question ?
 109 <nero_> Do I take the cd's for the Electic thing? I work in Brussels/Etterbeek so can drop them there
 110 <JanC> nero_: see PM
 111 <JanC> nero_: the CDs for Brussels are in Ghent and will be in Brussels tomorrow
 112 <JanC> BTW: I got 3 boxes of Ubuntu CDs from Canonical + a 2/3 box of Kubuntu + Server
 113 <JanC> so if anybody needs CDs...  ;)
 114 <warddr> and the new release is only 1 month away
 115 <jean7491> it's a good introduction to next topic # 2. Promotion
 116 <nero_> but the new one is not an LTS
 117 <jean7491> first item Adding commercial links to the website
 118 <jean7491>  we already discussed the topic, see draft in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Commercial_links-draft …
 119 <nero_> I'll be back in 15'
 120 <jean7491> JanC : something new about contact address ?
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 122 <jean7491> for other participants : before to launch the project and contacting companies, we are still waiting for  a central point of contact for this matter (likely contact@ubuntu-be.org), …
 123 <jean7491> once done, we can start with announcement in the mailing list
 124 <JanC> I'm looking into it as we speak  ;)
 125 <jean7491> JanC , if you nee time now, we can go ahead with another item/topic and come back later on this issue ?
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 127 <JanC> I'm already switching between the meeting, the server & other people asking my attention  ;)
 128 <massimo21> i think we can go on then
 129 <JanC> yes, please go on
 130 <jean7491> ok, we jump to topic# 4. Support points map status : ...
 131 <jean7491> mongolito should start saturday with import of data's about support points, let's hope the problem will find a solution, no further info
 132 <jean7491> we continue with promotion - second item,  t-shirts for Ubuntu-be ?
 133 <jean7491> we were waiting for other design proposals,…
 134 <jean7491> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsT-shirts
 135 <warddr> There are some more proposals here: http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/artwork/wedstrijd-ontwerp-de-beste-ubuntu-t-shirt/
 136 <warddr> I think we should move on to a vote, I don't expect more proposals, we've asked for proposals using different channels
 137 <warddr> We also have to decide how much to order, and a pre-order, how we are going to organize that
 138 <warddr>  And we need to find a way to vote if anyone agrees on making our own t-shirts and spending (temporary) a big part of the team money
 139 <warddr> anyone any suggestions?
 140 <jean7491> but the new proposals does not respect the basic - logo ubuntu - not only .be, for international use ...
 141 <jean7491> example 4th project: ubuntu test is below the cof and not above
 142 <warddr> I like the first 2
 143 <massimo21> i like v7_white
 144 <jean7491> but use for fosdem ? is it not too related to ubun-be ?
 145 <warddr> be open and be free
 146 <warddr> no, it isn't really
 147 <jean7491> and the free zone around the ubuntu logo must be respected
 148 <jean7491> but you can add the proposals to the wikisee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsT-shirts 
 149 <JanC> maybe explain the trademark rules on the forum too...
 150 <warddr> I don't know a lot about that
 151 <jean7491> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
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 153 <warddr> That are a lot of rules
 154 <jean7491> change for the 2 first nl proposals: use official ubuntu+cof logo, and move the addition .be open free upwards
 155 <JanC> I've seen much worse than that for company trademarks  ;)
 156 <JanC> for some companies it's actually a 300 page book  :P
 157 <jean7491> nr 3 and 4 are not correct: ubuntu must be below cof
 158 <warddr> I'll take care of that
 159 <warddr> I'll send a message to heir4c
 160 <warddr> Any suggestions on how to organize a pre-sale?
 161 <jean7491> i propose you add the 2 first nl projects to the wiki, and to postpone the selection to next week
 162 <JanC> heir4c is actually from region Ghent IIRC
 163 <JanC> warddr: ask on the mailing list & forum & such?
 164 <warddr> I'll send another mail to the mailinglist
 165 <JanC> you might want to think about how people will have to pay & such
 166 <warddr> and maybe one to the fr forum?
 167 <JanC> and who will keep track of all that...
 168 <jean7491> once the design adopted, we can launch a presale action, but not before !
 169 <warddr> ok, but we have to think about how to organize a presale
 170 <jean7491> i suppose 1 wiki page and a contact-address for who does not have write-access to the wiki, ...
 171 <warddr> and the payments?
 172 <jean7491> qustion pre-paid or not ? i suggest no prepaid (easier), with the risk of a few changes in presales
 173 <massimo21> how can we do a presale if we don't even have a voted model
 174 <massimo21> ?
 175 <warddr> that's impossible, but we can already discuss how to organize it
 176 <warddr> jean7491, and how will you give to t-shirts to the buyers?
 177 <massimo21> at fairs you coud eventually show picture of t-shirt
 178 <jean7491> i wrote: 1st a model, then after that presale! payment: if general agreement an possible for our finances, ubuntu-be pay the bill and after collecting money, send it back to ubuntu-be
 179 <jean7491> porto cost can be included in presale, 
 180 <JanC> so the pre-sale would be more like: "I promise I will buy at least X t-shirts of size A and Y t-shirts of size B"
 181 <jean7491> but need someone in charge of the gestion of the stock t-shirts
 182 <jean7491> ... who can follow the sale of t-shirts and transfert of money to ubuntu-be
 183 <JanC> actually, better use the ubuntu-be account directly
 184 <warddr> I can stock the t-shirts here, and if we've got the money I can bring them to the post-office
 185 <warddr> but I live far from big city's and highways, that's a downside
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 187 <JanC> if you receive the money on your personal account, the tax office might want to tax you for it!
 188 <massimo21> where do you live?
 189 <warddr> Nijlen, close to Lier
 190 <Clamam> why don't we go with paypal
 191 <Clamam> it's very easy
 192 <JanC> because paypal is evil  ;)
 193 <JanC> and steals people's money
 194 <warddr> and paypal costs a lot of money
 195 <Clamam> why, how??????
 196 <jean7491> remember last meeting guydup proposed his help ...
 197 <jean7491> or 2 weeks ago?
 198 <warddr> I wasn't around last meeting
 199 <warddr> what did he propose?
 200 <jean7491> i think you were there, it was about btw
 201 <warddr> oh, indeed
 202 <JanC> Clamam: http://doctormo.ubuntu-ma.us/2010/02/25/pocketing-police/ is one example (I know others who got similar problems personally too but for less money)
 203 <jean7491> take direct contact with him for explanation, ...
 204 <warddr> I'll contact him
 205 <warddr> can someone pm me his e-mail adress?
 206 <warddr> I'll write him an e-mail
 207 <jean7491> i propose to postpone preselection till next week and back with more ... and go ahead with the other topics
 208 <warddr> ok
 209 <jean7491> JanC ? about contact issue ?
 210 <massimo21> have to go
 211 <massimo21> bye
 212 <warddr> I have to go in a couple of minutes, for next meeting, wednesday and friday isn't possible for me)
 213 <warddr> bye massimo21
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 215 <jean7491> if contact@ubuntu-be.org I too complicate,  i propose to start using the already existing address “contact.ubuntu.be@gmail.com” (to be shared within “contact-group), …
 216 <jean7491> JanC ?
 217 <warddr> bye
 218 <Clamam> bye warddr
 219 <JanC> it's not too complicated; I just need a bit of time to make sure everything is configured correctly before the server goes live
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 221 <jean7491> JanC : then we continue to wait ?!
 222 <jean7491> next item ubuntu and facebook ?
 223 <jean7491> as i already wrote: not everybody is happy with, but it is a fact and we should take it in account: we need a team of interested people to look forward how to? And to ensure a “animated” page about our activities. 
 224 <jean7491> No reaction in the mailing list to the report ! Clamam : reaction ?
 225 <Clamam> i have contacted the founder of the page, but no response
 226 <Clamam> we can post events on it,
 227 <Clamam> but we have to have someone to manage the page
 228 <jean7491> but before to use it, we should agree with the owner of the page about its administration ?!
 229 <Clamam> that's right
 230 <jean7491> are there volunteers to (re)start / participate to managing the existing page ?
 231 <Clamam> yes, i am
 232 <jean7491> Clamam : can you lead a team managing the page ? you will not remain alone in the team!
 233 <Clamam> I can do that.
 234 <jean7491> but you should be the contact point for the team facebook
 235 <jean7491> and you ... , not but !
 236 <Clamam> no problem
 237 <jean7491> ok, think about how the team should work and what he should do, we can discuss later about it, before launching the team...
 238 <jean7491> question remain open about the founder of the group ...
 239 <Clamam> we have to contact him, so we can ask if he wants to participate or give the page over to us
 240 <jean7491> i suppose you tried his email address gmail ?
 241 <jean7491> does he have a facebook email address ?
 242 <Clamam> i send him a message with facebook, but no reaction. i wil try his gmail address
 243 <jean7491> do you have it ?
 244 <Clamam> i will look for it on his page
 245 <Clamam> if you have it
 246 <Clamam> please send it to me
 247 <jean7491> i sent it, next item ?
 248 <jean7491> item 4. ubuntu and education
 249 <jean7491> as I already wrote : what can we propose to schools ? example “ICTpraktijkdag” in november: we need an “education-team”  with teachers to help the promotion (content and how to?)
 250 <jean7491> only 1 reaction in the m-l, but no initiative yet!
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 252 <jean7491> Any suggestion ?
 253 <Clamam> for ict-dag hasselt the latest day to subscribe was yesterday,
 254 <Clamam> koen could not come.
 255 <jean7491> i saw it
 256 <Clamam> no positive answer for paying that amount of money for a booth and a 30min presentaion
 257 <Clamam> but massimo21 is in contatct with a teacher that wants to participate
 258 <Clamam> he is going to invite him to the next fair in Hasselt
 259 <JanC> how often are ICTpraktijkdag organised?
 260 <jean7491> we already spoke about it in july, and about the need someone leading the project, it is why i added the topic ubuntu and education ... 
 261 <jean7491> sofar i know about 3
 262 <jean7491> 3/year
 263 <JanC> so we can shoot for the next one, if we find people...
 264 <jean7491> perhaps, if someone takes the lead of the project ?
 265 <Clamam> also it's not cheap like dipro
 266 <jean7491> other comment about ubuntu and education ?
 267 <Clamam> no
 268 <jean7491> topic # 3. Update Wiki - are there suggestions ? if not next topic 
 269 <jean7491> one suggestion for Clamam: to start a facebook team page (draft), like the page "events-team"
 270 <Clamam> ok, i will take a look
 271 <Clamam> next topic
 272 <jean7491> next Topic : Things living in the mailing list and others questions ?
 273 <jean7491> For information: no newcomer in the belgian local community team last week
 274 <jean7491> Other question ? before the next irc meeting date 
 275 <Clamam> no
 276 <jean7491> if none, last topic, next irc meeting ? proposed on thursday 23/09 at 21 h. ?
 277 <Clamam> good for me
 278 <JanC> +1
 279 <jean7491> Clamam: about wiki facebook, i'll add a reference with link in the page BelgianTeam/Responsibility
 280 <Clamam> ok, thanks
 281 <jean7491> end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, and have a good night !
 282 <Clamam> good night
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