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   1 25/11/2010 – 21,00 hr.
   2 <jean7491> hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   3 <jimbauwens> Joined
   4 <clamam> Hello
   5 <massimo21> :-)
   6 <jimbauwens> Hello
   7 * sakhi_ is here for the meeting
   8 * DarkEra is here too following the meeting in silence
   9 <jean7491> hello jimbauwens , Clamam , massimo21 , sakhi_ , DarkEra ! JanC ? woutervddn ?
  10 <jimbauwens> :-)
  11 <DarkEra> hello jean7491
  12 <jean7491> JanC ?
  13 <jean7491> we wait a few minutes, hoping JanC will join
  14 <JanC> I'm here
  15 <massimo21> let' pray :-D
  16 <massimo21> oh
  17 <jean7491> tkx
  18 <clamam> :)
  19 <jean7491> first welcome jimbauwens and DarkEra joining the meeting
  20 <jimbauwens> Thanks :)
  21 <jean7491> topic #1.  past and future events -  november - december – update dipro computer fairs
  22 <jean7491> in general, for the coming activities, we need additional volunteers ...
  23 <jean7491> volunteers are always welcome !!! see the list of events in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs
  24 <jean7491>  item #1  fair in genk, 21/11/2010 – report …
  25 <massimo21> go clamam
  26 <jean7491> claudio posted a report in the mailing list and in the wiki 
  27 <clamam> ok
  28 <jean7491> your comment Clamam ?
  29 <clamam> the report is on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Genk_2010-11-21
  30 <clamam> with pictures
  31 <massimo21> i wanted to tell that for the ubuntu-be banner i used a plotter @work
  32 <jean7491> the booth looks very good with improved presentation, well done
  33 <massimo21> i don't know if i can ask to print more
  34 <clamam> we have desided to spent a little bit of the donations to improve our booth
  35 <massimo21> people was more inpressed by the look
  36 <clamam> we have to promote a great OS
  37 <clamam> so the booth must look good and proffesional
  38 <jean7491> massimo21 , if possible a few addditional copies should be usefull for other teams, (4-5?) but if possible for you at work
  39 <massimo21> i can tell in a few weeks
  40 <massimo21> i am @ home now
  41 <massimo21> incident @ work
  42 <jean7491> ok, let it me know
  43 <massimo21> ok
  44 <massimo21> will mail you
  45 <jean7491> not serious incident, we hope ! , other comment about dipro genk ?
  46 <massimo21> nothing serious thanks
  47 <clamam> it was a great fair
  48 <clamam> lots af interesting people
  49 <massimo21> we also recieved compliments
  50 <sakhi_> from?
  51 <massimo21> people
  52 <clamam> the people where also very generous with the donations
  53 <massimo21> more than the other times
  54 <JanC> nice
  55 <jean7491> did you already spoke with other people/volunteers about the next one ?
  56 <massimo21> ?
  57 <clamam> only with Hans and Massimo21 and the new guy from last IRC
  58 <massimo21> =woutervdn
  59 <jean7491> i mean about dipro hasselt 23/01/2011
  60 <sakhi_> that is very good, I thought there was a specific person or group of people with more influence you received compliments from. This would do more good, not that the people who gave compliments do not have influence. I'm just thinking in a business perspective which in turn can bring more interest from the community and more awareness about the good we do.
  61 * sakhi_ hopes he's on the right track.
  62 <massimo21> i think clamam meant also about hasselt
  63 <clamam> i also mean the fair in hasselt
  64 <jean7491> ok
  65 * streep (~streep@188.188.238.244) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  66 <massimo21> hi streep
  67 <clamam> normally we are going to be with 4 volunters @ the fair in Hasselt
  68 <clamam> we will look for more
  69 <clamam> i know a few people that come to see the boorh evrey fair and i will talk to them about helping us.
  70 <jean7491> imho it is usefull to contact personally a lot of people, 1st to get and hold contact with, and later for active cooperation
  71 <jean7491> ... in a long term perspective
  72 <jean7491> other comment ... or next item ..
  73 <massimo21> no comment
  74 <woutervddn> sorry was afk
  75 <clamam> no comment
  76 <jean7491> hello woutervddn
  77 <woutervddn> hi..
  78 <jean7491>  item #2 dipro computer fair antwerpen, 28/11/2010, 
  79 <massimo21> hi
  80 <woutervddn> I'm glad to hear the fair in Genk was as a succes..
  81 <jean7491> coordinator: bram , team is almost ok, just final preparation, 
  82 <jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2010-11-28
  83 <jean7491> no other comment about a'pen ?
  84 <jean7491> next ... item #3  dipro computer fair mechelen, 12/12/2010,  ...
  85 <jean7491> coordinator: nero , we again call for volunteers to join the team
  86 <jean7491> i will call through the mailing list, and nero will look for volunteers
  87 <jean7491> looking to 2011 ... item #4 dipro computer fair leuven 16/01/2011, . . .
  88 <jean7491> we will need a new local team to organize the booth, ...
  89 <jean7491> does ubuntu-be already organize anything in leuven in the past ?
  90 <jean7491> i've no idea who is active in this area !
  91 <jean7491> JanC any idea about leuven area ?
  92 <JanC> maybe Mark VdB has ideas
  93 <jean7491> ok, i will ask for via mail
  94 <JanC> I doubt he will have much time himself though (as FOSDEM is also close then)
  95 <JanC> Sh3r1ff_: you are from Leuven?
  96 <woutervddn> I would say yes if you look at his email.. *-)
  97 <woutervddn> (or he at least works there..)
  98 <JanC> email?  his hostname you mean?
  99 <woutervddn> yes sry..
 100 <JanC> seems like he's not around, so let's move on for now
 101 <clamam> there are 18 people connected, is there nobody from leuven?
 102 <woutervddn> I will go to the fair in leuven.
 103 <woutervddn> but it's my first one so..
 104 <jean7491> thanks woutervddn , you will not be alone, we will find other people !
 105 <massimo21> ther is always a first time
 106 <woutervddn> hopefully ;-)
 107 <jean7491> don't worry !
 108 <jean7491> if no other comment about events, next ... topic promotion
 109 <clamam> when is the fair in leuven
 110 <JanC> we always want a person with some experience there too anyway
 111 <clamam> it's not on the wiki
 112 <JanC> 16/01/2011
 113 <clamam> ok, i looked in 2010
 114 <jean7491> and is in the wiki !
 115 <woutervddn> (it's kind of weard that 2011 stand above 2010 in the wiki..)
 116 <woutervddn> *weird
 117 <jean7491> within 3 week, fairs 2010 go to the past fairs page
 118 <jean7491> as archive
 119 <jean7491> next topic # 2. Promotion ...
 120 <jean7491> item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be : as warddr (leading the project) is not available today (no mail from his side), we wait for his initiative on this issue
 121 <massimo21> it look like this prject is dead
 122 <JanC> well, we need to know if ward still plans to work on it
 123 <JanC> otherwise somebody else can maybe take it over...
 124 <jimbauwens> You can order on Aldi online custom t-shirts for 10 euros, maybe interesting?
 125 <woutervddn> was he going to have them print, or print them himself?
 126 <massimo21> maybe after the hollydays
 127 <jean7491> i don't know his intention
 128 <JanC> jimbauwens: we wanted non-sweatshop t-shirts  ;)
 129 <jimbauwens> ok
 130 <JanC> and wasn't much different price where he asked
 131 <JanC> I think even cheaper!
 132 <jimbauwens> :)
 133 <JanC> woutervddn: have them printed
 134 <woutervddn> if he's not doing it we might ask him where he found them at that price..
 135 <woutervddn> they aren't that cheap normally
 136 <JanC> you can easily get t-shirts printed for 4-5 € / t-shirt if you order enough
 137 <woutervddn> are there ideas about the number of t-shirts?
 138 * erveh (54c6d735@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.198.215.53) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 139 <JanC> that was one of the things still to decide
 140 <jean7491> sofar i remember it was suggested to start with 100 t-shirts
 141 <woutervddn> wow..
 142 <jean7491> but th whole project was not yet ready, ward was working on, (i hape)
 143 <jean7491> (ihope)
 144 <jean7491> (i'm still hoping!)
 145 <massimo21> we all
 146 <jean7491> no other comment for today about t-shirts ?
 147 <JanC> I have been thinking, we could also ask ospublish if they want to make a design for us...
 148 <jean7491> ospublish ?
 149 <woutervddn> it would be nice to have them before leuven, kind of a newyear boost..
 150 <JanC> ospublish is an award wining graphics design agency in Brussels that uses only open source (including Ubuntu)
 151 <JanC> http://ospublish.constantvzw.org/
 152 * erveh est parti (Quit: Page closed)
 153 <woutervddn> is there a summary of the decisions made for the tshirt project?
 154 <JanC> woutervddn: there are bits and pieces in several IRC reports
 155 <jean7491> irc meetings in august and september
 156 <woutervddn> ok, thx
 157 <jean7491> irc meetings reports, of course
 158 <jean7491> next ... item #2. ubuntu and education
 159 <jean7491> before that, about ospublish: JanC , do you have contacts ? likely design=cost
 160 * streep est parti (Quit: streep)
 161 <JanC> I have contacts, but I'd rather first know what ward is planning to do (or not to do...)
 162 <jean7491> ok, i propose i'll write him a mail for clarification
 163 <jean7491> back to next item #2. ubuntu and education
 164 <jean7491> no new information from jan b. (a'pen), nor from my side
 165 <jean7491> to end the topic promotion, i remember the item #3: we need a new french press contact, as the current (nicolas) has resigned for personal reason
 166 <jean7491> other general comment about promotion ?
 167 <JanC> nope
 168 <jean7491> next topic # 3. Update Wiki : suggestion or comment from my side, ... other suggestion
 169 <massimo21> i have comment about contact@ubuntu-be
 170 <jean7491> ?
 171 <jean7491> massimo21 your comment ?
 172 <massimo21> why is there so much spam?
 173 <massimo21> i forgot
 174 <massimo21> i alreay asked
 175 <massimo21> sorry
 176 <jean7491> ok
 177 <jimbauwens> The new website (and also ubuntu.com) is unusable slow in the epiphany  browser and the midori browser.
 178 <JanC> jimbauwens: those are webkit/gtk browsers, but I'm not sure why they would be slow...
 179 <jimbauwens> This is because of a webkit bug (and is not being fixed). I think it has something to do with drop shadows.
 180 <JanC> well, it's not really badly slow here
 181 <woutervddn> it's odd they don't fix it as ubuntu.com is having the same problem...
 182 <JanC> when using Midori on 10.10
 183 <jimbauwens> I use epiphany
 184 <jimbauwens> on 10.10
 185 <jimbauwens> omgubuntu.co.uk has the same problem
 186 <JanC> I think the browser team already has more than enough work with Firefox, Chromium, etc.
 187 <jimbauwens> Yeah, I don't think that many people use epiphany
 188 <JanC> I have no issue in Epiphany either
 189 <jimbauwens> Weird
 190 <JanC> 64-bit or 32-bit?
 191 <jimbauwens> 32 bit
 192 <jimbauwens> On a netbook and on a desktop
 193 <JanC> ah, I'm on 64-bit, maybe that's the difference
 194 <JanC> anyway, let's get back to the meeting first  ;)
 195 <jimbauwens> ok :)
 196 <clamam> next item??
 197 <jean7491> topic# 4. Support points map status  ...
 198 <jean7491> no new information, +/- 130 to 140 support points
 199 * jimbauwens2 (~yaaic@d51538A12.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 200 * jimbauwens est parti (Quit: Leaving)
 201 * jimbauwens2 s'appelle maintenant jimbauwens
 202 <jean7491> next topic # 5. Things living in the mailing list and others questions ? no input from me
 203 <woutervddn> about the support points..
 204 <jean7491> yes ?
 205 <woutervddn> what if I would make add a support point, and someone from a neighbour village types his zip-code, will he find me?
 206 <massimo21> nope
 207 <woutervddn> wouldn't there be a way to make this happen..
 208 <massimo21> but in the feature it will be a real map
 209 <woutervddn> ow.. ok
 210 <clamam> Can we make a custom iso for the fairs with java, flash, video codec,... preinstalled and ubuntu-be background?
 211 <JanC> not on a CD
 212 <massimo21> why not on cd?
 213 <clamam> dvd?
 214 <clamam> to big
 215 <JanC> and distributing flash on the CD requires a written permission from Adobe
 216 <clamam> or leave some thing out
 217 <clamam> that's what i thought
 218 <clamam> java and the rest also??
 219 <JanC> open source java can't be a problem
 220 <massimo21> ok but a customized iso with dutch language wil not be a problem then?
 221 <woutervddn> does java require permission from sun?
 222 <massimo21> ubuntu uses open jdk
 223 <clamam> not openjdk i think
 224 <JanC> I don't think sun java needs permission
 225 <JanC> although, not sure
 226 <woutervddn> this might sound silly but can't we just ask adobe and sun and tell them it's only a limited amount just for the fairs?
 227 <woutervddn> if they know the number of cd's why would they make a problem out of it?
 228 <JanC> in any case, OpenJDK often works better
 229 <clamam> is this a thing that we can workout or let it like it is
 230 <jimbauwens> you could create some dummy packed that say they are a older version from flash/java, and when a user would update, it would install the full version.
 231 <JanC> jimbauwens: hehe, good idea  :P
 232 <clamam> JanC, Jean7491?? what do you thin about it for the fairs?
 233 <JanC> jimbauwens: I'll make a note of that ☺
 234 <jimbauwens> then it would also go on a cd
 235 <woutervddn> true.
 236 * massimo21 est parti (Quit: massimo21)
 237 <woutervddn> so the only thing we'd really add is an ubuntu-be wallpaper?
 238 * massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.216.164) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 239 <massimo21> i am back
 240 <JanC> we can add full translations, etc.
 241 <jean7491> imho, for the moment, we have to work with the list of postal code, although more explanation on the web-page could help, but everyone can help mongolito404 with the support map issue
 242 <clamam> Yes that is something and maybe a help file on the desktop
 243 <JanC> e.g. currently the live-CD has no complete translations for OOo I think
 244 <woutervddn> yeah, I think that's true.. so that would be really handy addition.
 245 <clamam> JanC: no but we can add them on the iso
 246 <massimo21> a fully translated ubuntu live cd
 247 <JanC> actually, there is a way to get more data on an .iso, but it's not well-tested yet
 248 <massimo21> on a dvd but the costs will be greater then
 249 <JanC> I made a custom .iso for the first release party in Herk-de-Stad BTW
 250 <massimo21> how did that go
 251 <jimbauwens> remastersys?
 252 <clamam> Yes how was it
 253 <massimo21> remastersys is an easy way to do it
 254 <JanC> actually, I did it mostly manually, as that worked best  ;)
 255 <jimbauwens> :o
 256 <JanC> unpack, chroot, change, clean up, make .iso again
 257 <woutervddn> xD
 258 <jimbauwens> now, that really custom
 259 <JanC> but that was 4 years ago...
 260 <woutervddn> janC, how much work was it
 261 <JanC> once I knew how to do it: not that much
 262 <massimo21> so would it be a good idea to do it again for fairs?
 263 <clamam> remastersys is easy, clean install, add apps in synaptic, remove unwanted and make iso with remasterssys
 264 <woutervddn> work/benefits?
 265 <JanC> the release somewhere late in the evening on Thursday, and it had to be uploaded to my server (over a slow upload link) in time so that Bart could download it before driving to Germany to the CDmanufacturing plant  :P
 266 <JanC> driving to Germany on Friday morning
 267 <JanC> so, it was all night work (half of that babysitting the upload in case it would be interrupted etc.  :P
 268 <woutervddn> I think it would give a signature to ubuntu-be, and it would be a very nice way to get focus to the locoteam..
 269 <JanC> I don't think remastersys existed back then
 270 <massimo21> specially for the translation
 271 <woutervddn> true, but don't underestimate the power of a wallpaper..
 272 <jimbauwens> lol
 273 <JanC> does remastersys allow changing the default language, keyboard, etc.?
 274 <massimo21> not everyone understands english to try out the live iso
 275 <massimo21> yes
 276 <woutervddn> seeing ubuntu-be the first times you boot would make new ones feel like they have some stick behind the door when encountering problems..
 277 <massimo21> with remastersys is wath you see is wath you get
 278 <woutervddn> (homepage: http://ubuntu-be.org)
 279 <jimbauwens> maybe Google+ubuntu-be in tabs
 280 <massimo21> yes
 281 <jean7491> to close the current meeting,  i propose next irc meeting next week, on thursday 02/11/2010  at 21 h. 
 282 <jimbauwens> or duckduckgo.org
 283 <jimbauwens> :)
 284 <woutervddn> then I'd rather make a ubuntu-be version of the normal ubuntu homepage..
 285 <woutervddn> 2/12 you mean?
 286 <clamam> ok for next meeting
 287 <massimo21> ok
 288 <jimbauwens> ok
 289 <massimo21> can we discus this topic next week to then?
 290 * JanC a changé le sujet en : http://ubuntu-be.org | get supp http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Thursday 02/12/2010 at 21h, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
 291 <JanC> massimo21: put it on the agenda  ☺
 292 <clamam> so now we can think about the custom iso, untill next week and i like the inputs about it
 293 <massimo21> ;-)
 294 <jean7491> end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, continue your contacts and have a good night !
 295 
 296 <woutervddn> I'd love to see a custom one as I know how hard the first steps can be! xD
 297 <clamam> these are the first steps
 298 <woutervddn> :p I meant the first staps on linux for new users :p
 299 <jimbauwens> nice talking to you people :)
 300 <clamam> ah, ok
 301 <jimbauwens> goodnight
 302 <massimo21> if we make a custom ubuntu it has to be as similar to the original ubuntu as possible
 303 <woutervddn> goodnight
 304 * sakhi_ might only joing the meeting after the 20th December. I will be going to Ethiopia to give training.
 305 <sakhi_> goodnight jimbauwens
 306 <woutervddn> only accents should change..
 307 <JanC> sakhi_: no internet in Ethiopia?
 308 <woutervddn> else it wouldn't be a ubuntu distro anymore..
 309 <clamam> sakhi: have a safe trip
 310 <massimo21> i woud change wallpaper firefox tabs and language
 311 <massimo21> idd
 312 <sakhi_> JanC: not sure if I will have it in the hotel.
 313 <clamam> massimo21: add a helpfile on the desktop
 314 <jimbauwens> and the bootsplash, theme, filemanager
 315 <massimo21> yes
 316 <jimbauwens> lol
 317 <massimo21> off course an helpfile
 318 <sakhi_> last time I only had it at their University.
 319 <woutervddn> lol @ sakhi
 320 <JanC> I guess differences are large between countries in Africa about good internet availability
 321 <jimbauwens> bye
 322 <clamam> good night
 323 * jimbauwens est parti (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org)
 324 <massimo21> bye bye
 325 <sakhi_> South Africa is ok you can get it anywhere as long as you pay like everyone else.
 326 <woutervddn> I'm just wondering how hard it would  be to get that dummy package working..
 327 <massimo21> i have no idea
 328 <sakhi_> translating an iso should be interesting, I take it you will be customising it too.
 329 <JanC> woutervddn: the dummy package would be easy (actually, I plan on making something like it and put it in my PPA)
 330 <sakhi_> I remember we did it sometime in 2006 and packaged it with educational applicaitons and the whole of Wikipedia on it.
 331 <woutervddn> translating = easy, dummy appears to be easy, wallpaper = easy, maybe custum homepage = easy..
 332 <JanC> sakhi_: that was a DVD then, I assume