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   1 <jean7491> btw speaking from ostende,  hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 <jimbauwens> (you have first to convert hostname to ip)
   3 <jimbauwens> Me
   4 <mongolito404> Hoi
   5 <clamam> me
   6 * massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.148.215) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
   7 <massimo21> i am here
   8 <jean7491> hello jimbauwens Clamam mongolito404 massimo21 JanC , steabert : are you here for the meeting ?
   9 <massimo21> i am
  10 <steabert> yes
  11 <jimbauwens> yes
  12 <clamam> yes
  13 <mongolito404> I'm here for the free drinks... :D
  14 <JanC> jimbauwens: that site links to a site that says I'm in Kortemark (which is closer, but still 40km away or so)
  15 <massimo21> lol
  16 <JanC> o/
  17 <jean7491> welcome steabert !
  18 <jimbauwens> JanC: and that is a good thing, because nobody can trace you :)
  19 <steabert> thnx, my first irc chat, still figuring things out...
  20 <woutervddn> welcome..
  21 <woutervddn> @jimbauwens: mine shows only 5.6km away :p
  22 <jean7491> ok, steabert , you saw the agenda in the wiki ? hello woutervddn
  23 <woutervddn> still I think it's keeps being to hard to really trace someone..
  24 <woutervddn> hi jean7491
  25 <jimbauwens> woutervddn,  exept with me, where the location is only a street away :(
  26 <jean7491> we start with topic #1.  future events - december – januari
  27 <steabert> jean7491: yes
  28 <jean7491>  item #1  dipro computer fair mechelen, 12/12/2010,  ...
  29 <jean7491> coordinator: nero + 3 volunteers,
  30 <jean7491> last preparation in going on
  31 <jean7491> and i assume no problem !
  32 <jean7491>  item #2 dipro computer fair leuven 16/01/2011, 
  33 <jean7491> the team consists of 5 volunteers, included 2 experienced Ubunteros
  34 <jean7491> logistic preparation will start next week
  35 <jean7491> the support for leuven will come from mechelen and if necessary from antwerp or elsewhere
  36 <jean7491> item #3 dipro computer fair hasselt 23/01/2011: no problem, the team is already busy with
  37 <clamam> everything is ready
  38 <massimo21> yep
  39 <clamam> 4 volunteers
  40 <clamam> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Hasselt_2011-01-23
  41 <clamam>  http://doodle.com/5d42z7bgdafpg25r?newDesign=true
  42 <jean7491> and item #4 dipro computer fair ghent 30/01/2011: to be started in januari
  43 <jean7491> steabert : i'm not tracing you! where are you from ?
  44 <jimbauwens> woutervddn: if you have a name, and a ip location, with wittegids.be you can find the person
  45 <jimbauwens> woutervddn, just look for the best match
  46 <JanC> let's keep it to the meeting now jimbauwens
  47 <jimbauwens> ok, sorry
  48 <jean7491> any comment about the future events ?
  49 <woutervddn> nowp
  50 <clamam> next year in 2011 there is a lanparty in genk
  51 <clamam> and they have asked us to be there
  52 <clamam> tommorow i have a meeting for the details
  53 <woutervddn> sounds like a nice idea..
  54 <clamam> maybe in cooperation with the computerclub the bitmappers
  55 <clamam> the  bitmappers will have a releasemeeting @ the same place ande date
  56 <jean7491> clamam you can post more information after your meeting 
  57 <clamam> but everything is still under construction
  58 <clamam> tommorow i will now more
  59 <clamam> i is planned for the first week of mei
  60 <steabert> how sturdy does a laptop have to be for a computerfair?
  61 <JanC> steabert: mine has a broken hinge, and thus isn't very sturdy...   ;)
  62 <JanC> (and it didn't break from the fairs)
  63 <steabert> jean7491: i'm from leuven
  64 <jean7491> ok, thanks
  65 <JanC> steabert: we don't have insurance, but in general no hardware gets destroyed during the fairs
  66 <massimo21> at least if you don't drop it
  67 <woutervddn> +1 for massimo21
  68 <woutervddn> are there any demands for the laptops on the fair?
  69 <steabert> well, i wondered if the laptops are mostly used for demonstrating or do you let people use them?
  70 <JanC> steabert: both
  71 <steabert> JanC: ok, thanks
  72 <JanC> if you don't feel like people workign with your laptop, it can be used for running a slideshow or playing Big Bucks Bunny
  73 <massimo21> i have an extra login user in my netbook for the fairs
  74 <JanC> massimo21: that's recommended indeed
  75 <steabert> massimo21: yes, that was where I was getting at :)
  76 <jean7491> when possible, we try to use material from event boxes, antwerp has 3 old laptops, ghent at least 1 + old pc's, but each time, it is a problem of coordination to move material
  77 <JanC> Ghent has 2 thinkpads
  78 <jean7491> ok
  79 <jimbauwens> Makes me want to donate :)
  80 <jimbauwens> (hardware)
  81 <woutervddn> janc, my laptop runs ubuntu-studio with docky instead of the bottom bar.. is it better to restore that to default or leave it like that?
  82 <jimbauwens> On a other account it should be to default
  83 <JanC> woutervddn: if you make a new user, it's easy to login to the default session
  84 <woutervddn> true.. didn't thought about that :p
  85 <jean7491> to close the events topic, during the digital week 2011, ubuntu will be presented in ostend (03/03/2011)
  86 <JanC> I recommend showing the default desktop by default
  87 <steabert> are there any applications that should definitely be installed on laptops we let people use?
  88 <JanC> steabert: the default applications, but I always have other applications installed too
  89 <jimbauwens> Gimp?
  90 <JanC> make sure they work well though  ;)
  91 <JanC> I have several educative games, The GIMP, MyPaint, some developer tools, etc. installed
  92 <jimbauwens> xchat, so that they can chat on ubuntu-be :p
  93 <jimbauwens> Maybe tuxpaint, for the young ones
  94 <steabert> JanC: i can always bring a laptop with debian stable installed :p
  95 <JanC> yeah, that's part o educative IMO  ;)
  96 <JanC> part of
  97 <JanC> steabert: we're promoting Ubuntu  ;)
  98 <JanC> which doesn't mean we are against Debian, Fedora, OpenSuse of course
  99 <JanC> we promote towards new users mostly
 100 <woutervddn> so no gentoo?
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 103 <jean7491> can we continue with the next topic ?
 104 <JanC> woutervddn: I don't care what people already use, those were examples  :P
 105 <JanC> yes, next topic (unless there are questions)
 106 <steabert> jean7491: yes
 107 <jean7491> steabert : ok !
 108 <jean7491> next topic # 2. Promotion
 109 <jean7491>  item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be : ...
 110 <jean7491> the t-shirt team started working ...
 111 <jimbauwens> =)
 112 <jean7491> from email in the m-l, additional proposals can be send until 23:59 at 19/12/2010
 113 <jean7491> included additional proposals for T-shirt printing services and prices
 114 <jean7491>  in the following week the t-shirts team will set up a poll (closing date?). The poll's goal is to select the design and the T-shirts brand and printing service
 115 <woutervddn> printing services are not as easy to find as I thought..
 116 <JanC> search for "screen printing" ("zeefdruk")
 117 <JanC> in addition to on-line printing services, I mean
 118 <mongolito404> Didn't we found an eco & fairtrade priting service a while ago ?
 119 <JanC> yeah, warddr has that info
 120 <woutervddn> yes.. I did.. :) but finding them with fairtrade shirts is harder.. they never tell that on there site so you really have to mail for it..
 121 <JanC> some do say it
 122 <woutervddn> and yes, we allready found 2 or 3 services..
 123 <woutervddn> btw: poll closing date is 26th of december
 124 <massimo21> where is the poll??
 125 <woutervddn> it will be put online on the 19th..
 126 <woutervddn> that way people can submit more designs..
 127 <massimo21> let us know
 128 <woutervddn> (altough the deadlines might change a little..)
 129 <woutervddn> yes we will..
 130 <jean7491> if everything goes well, the t-shirts will then be ready during January !
 131 <jean7491> other comment ?
 132 <massimo21> nope
 133 <steabert> no comments
 134 <woutervddn> not that I can think of atm..
 135 <mongolito404> where will the polls be ?
 136 <mongolito404> doodle ?
 137 <woutervddn> yes..
 138 <woutervddn> that was easier as the launchpad (so was told us)..
 139 <woutervddn> + it is avaible for everyone without login
 140 <jimbauwens> that is what I call open :)
 141 <mongolito404> Login (launchpad) is a good thing, LP is the tools used to get engaged in the ommunity, as I always said, if your are not ready to get a LP account and use it, you are not really willing to contribute
 142 <woutervddn> monolito404, but what about normal users who don't have an account? shouldn't they be able to choose the design with us?
 143 <woutervddn> (it is them who are going to buy the shirt..)
 144 <mongolito404> choose the design == get engaged in the community
 145 <steabert> launchpad account != eye for fashion :)
 146 <JanC> it would be useful to contact a printing company before the design is chosen maybe
 147 <JanC> not wait until January, I mean
 148 <woutervddn> yes, I allready had contact with 2 or 3 services..
 149 <JanC> in case they have a busy printing schedule...
 150 <JanC> it might be useful to ask if they are busy in January
 151 <woutervddn> true..
 152 <woutervddn> JanC: would you suggest speeding it up so they are ready before the first dipro in january?
 153 <JanC> woutervddn: I'm mainly concerned about FOSDEM
 154 <mongolito404> my opinion is that if you want to have a say you have to engage yourself in the community. An open poll is too easy for "freeloaders" that want to be heard without doing any effort to get into the community
 155 <JanC> but if they are earlier, that's good of course
 156 <jimbauwens> mongolito404, I understand, it isn't that hard to join launchpad, and If you want to help, you need one anyway, for other stuff
 157 <mongolito404> And usually, such freeloaders doesn't provide value but mostly noise
 158 <JanC> BTW: is there a dipro fair during FOSDEM?
 159 <mongolito404> jimbauwens: exactly, delaying LP account usage is delaying engagement in the community (as a whole, not just Ubuntu-be)
 160 <JanC> apparently Kortrijk, just like last year
 161 <woutervddn> true mongolito404, i didn't thought about it like that..
 162 <woutervddn> indeed both are on the 6th..
 163 <woutervddn> so that means we need two teams.. :s
 164 <JanC> it was the same last year...
 165 <jimbauwens> I want to go to FOSDEM next year, so maybe I could help (maybe)
 166 <woutervddn> I'm afk for a few minutes, is there anything that you want to know about the thsirts before I leave?
 167 <JanC> I guess we can discuss further on the ML etc.
 168 <JanC> next item?
 169 <jean7491> mongolito404 , afaik to organize a poll on launchpad (be loco team), you need administrator privilege and it is restricted to members, 
 170 <jean7491> for thiis reason it easier for wouter to use doodle
 171 <JanC> LP polls will probably disappear though!
 172 <woutervddn> I'd say we trow that question up in the ML and see what everyone else thinks?
 173 <JanC> there are also poll scripts for Drupal
 174 <JanC> so that's an option too
 175 <woutervddn> -_-' or we could hold a poll to see how we want to set up the poll..
 176 <mongolito404> Yep, we can activarte the poll module for Drupal
 177 <JanC> (but might mean more work for mongolito404 or somebody else)
 178 <mongolito404> Yeah, a poll on polls
 179 <JanC> which reminds me I need to reboot the server tonight  ;)
 180 <woutervddn> lol..
 181 <jean7491> waiting for the result of the poll ...next ... item #2. ubuntu and education : no information
 182 <jean7491> item #3:  we need a new french press contact, as the current  has resigned for personal reason, but no information yet
 183 <jimbauwens> JanC, kernel update :p
 184 <jimbauwens> s
 185 <mongolito404> http://ubuntu-be.org/fr/node/add/poll
 186 <jean7491> Accès refusé
 187 <jean7491> Vous n'êtes pas autorisé(e) à accéder à cette page. 
 188 <JanC> you need to be loged in
 189 <jean7491> i'm login
 190 <JanC> no problem here...
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 192 <JanC> but maybe I have more rights in Drupal
 193 <jean7491> now it is ok
 194 <JanC> anyway, if 1 person can make the poll...
 195 <mongolito404> I granted poll creation permission to any ubuntu-be (LP) members
 196 <JanC> okay, that should solve that problem  ;)
 197 <jean7491> woutervddn , have a look at and come later back on this isue ...
 198 <jean7491> topic # 3. Update Wiki : suggestion or comment 
 199 <JanC> wait
 200 <JanC> about promotion: the banner Canonical sponsors is confirmed
 201 <jean7491> ok
 202 <clamam> how many? 1?
 203 <JanC> yes, 1
 204 <JanC> it might be a bit complicated to get it used all over the country...  :-/
 205 <massimo21> :-(
 206 <JanC> maybe Nero or somebody else more near the center of the country can keep it at home
 207 <clamam> size?
 208 <JanC> I don't know teh exact size
 209 <JanC> will see when it arrives  ;)
 210 <clamam> we have made 1 ourselve 1,2mx0,35m
 211 <massimo21> used plotter @ my work
 212 <JanC> clamam: banner in paper or canvas?
 213 <massimo21> paper
 214 <massimo21> and then plastified
 215 <JanC> also, we could see how much a canvas banner costs
 216 <clamam> plastified paper, glued on hardboard
 217 <JanC> ah, that sounds rather sturdy too
 218 <clamam> a canvas banner cost abaout 100€
 219 <JanC> we do have some money, remember
 220 <JanC> maybe will make some more with the t-shirts
 221 <clamam> we have done some research before making our banner
 222 <JanC> we don't have to sit on that money forever  ;)
 223 <jimbauwens> If you can paint good, you can paint on a big sheet, and it wont cost alot :-)
 224 <clamam> JanC: ok, good 2 know
 225 <JanC> of course if your employer sponsors a plastified paper banner, that's always welcome...   ;-)
 226 <jean7491> another possibility is a roll-up (Rollup 85 x 200, >50 euro)
 227 <massimo21> what is a rollup?
 228 <clamam> rollup?
 229 <jean7491> http://www.rollup-express.com/
 230 <JanC> vertical banner
 231 <jean7491> then you don't need a support
 232 <jean7491> but of course 1 banner +/- 50 euro + tax + port
 233 <clamam> it's very interesting
 234 <clamam> it looks very professional
 235 <clamam> if we set it up an a table, tha it is very visible
 236 <jean7491> roll-up issue needs more research ... i propose we continue with the next topic ...
 237 <JanC> so if we buy 4 of these, it's maybe 200-250 € ?
 238 <jean7491> likely
 239 <jean7491> we can search for it later (out of the meeting)
 240 <JanC> yes
 241 <jean7491> about the wiki, next week, the dipro fairs 2010 will be moved to the “past events”
 242 <massimo21> history
 243 <jean7491> but last booth-reports are not yet in (except genk)
 244 <jean7491> antwerp, ghent ...
 245 <jean7491> other comment for the wiki ?
 246 <jean7491> if no other comment, next ... topic# 4. Support points map status  
 247 <jean7491> mongolito404 ? comment ?
 248 <mongolito404> As usual, I4m still working on it
 249 <jean7491> ok, last week, i mentioned that there is no information about registration for new points of support on the website
 250 <mongolito404> I've to made up my mind on which plugin to use to store coordinates and geocode address
 251 <mongolito404> Yes, I've seen the bug on LP
 252 <JanC> mongolito404: also keep an eye on the next Drupal version (they will include some currently optional modules into the default distribution)
 253 <mongolito404> Drupal 7 should be out 'soon' (coming weeks) and CCK is in core, but not views and certainly nothing for maps
 254 <JanC> ah, okay
 255 <jean7491> no procedure : the result is that a volunteer to become support point does not know how to do
 256 <jean7491> a bug report has been written, but it takes time and i'm not sure about the best solution
 257 <jean7491> we need reactions : what is the best solution to pass information about the procedure ?
 258 <JanC> also ask on the ML?
 259 <mongolito404> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium/+bug/682183
 260 <mongolito404> I like te suggestion to update the "Participate" page
 261 <JanC> it should certainly be on the site, not the wiki
 262 <jean7491> other comment on this issue ?
 263 <mongolito404> So we need someone to update the participates pages in each language
 264 <mongolito404> I guess I'll do it if nobody else volounteer
 265 <woutervddn> how do you mean?
 266 <woutervddn> like filter those out who aren't involved?
 267 <mongolito404> Any member of the ubuntu-be-webeditor on Launchpad can edit pages on the site (using a Wysiwyg editor)
 268 <JanC> woutervddn: there is no clear explanation about how to get on the "map" (list) currently
 269 <steabert> on the support point page, it doesn't really say in detail what is expected of a support-point-person...
 270 <woutervddn> +1 for steabert
 271 <mongolito404> It hasn't never been well documented, but I think there is something on the wiki
 272 <steabert> or is that page meant only for people looking for support?
 273 <jean7491> i agree it is more about looking for support
 274 <woutervddn> a little link to an info page about becoming a support point can't be a problem..
 275 <mongolito404> We would add a block with the join information, just like we do on http://ubuntu-be.org/fr/ubuntu_planet
 276 <mongolito404> (btw, the planet is kind of broken)
 277 <woutervddn> btw, the drupal css is messed again -_-'
 278 <woutervddn> just noticed..
 279 <jean7491> for those who look for information about the work of a support point, it should be through participate page
 280 <mongolito404> I say it, I need to update the theme to a "dev" version
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 282 <woutervddn> o/
 283 <jean7491> mongolito404 : i will continue the review of the participate page in 3 languages, with the help of pep for the 4th
 284 <steabert> jean7491: if I follow the link "register as a support point", i enter the same page as from the support point page, which is to look for a support point
 285 <steabert> at that point (following the link "register as support point"), one would like to read more about becoming a support point
 286 <mongolito404> steabert: Yep, the participate page has not been updated since we moved the map into the main site
 287 <mongolito404> And the old-map has a small text about joining it
 288 <jimbauwens> I gtg, have to go to sleep, need my rest :)
 289 <jean7491> indeed, this is the subject of the bug (see above)
 290 <steabert> ah, ok then
 291 <jimbauwens> bye ubuntuers
 292 <jimbauwens> :)
 293 <jean7491> bye
 294 <JanC> slaapwel ☺
 295 <steabert> jimbauwens: goodbye
 296 <mongolito404> I think we need an additional page a joining the the map to link from the Participate page and the Support Points page
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 298 <jimbauwens> dankje wel, thanks you
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 300 <JanC> mongolito404: that would be great too
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 302 <JanC> actually, better, as we can point to it fro meverywhere then
 303 <JanC> be it from IRC, from a mail, etc.
 304 <pep`> \o (sry late)
 305 <mongolito404> But we need to write the text
 306 <massimo21> have to leave
 307 <massimo21> good night
 308 * massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.148.215) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 309 <steabert> massimo21: gn
 310 <jean7491> i started with the bug report as a transitional solution, waiting for the development of the issue of the support points map ...
 311 <jean7491>  additional page about joining as support point is a lot more work ! 
 312 <mongolito404> Even if the text is added in the dev. of the support points map, it needs to be written
 313 <mongolito404> additional page is actually not a lot of work, creating a page is easy (as creating event)
 314 <jean7491> i spoke about the content
 315 <mongolito404> it doesn't have  be a) long b) complete in the first version
 316 <mongolito404> *we* can add the page with basic content and ask/wait for feedback to enhance it
 317 <steabert> it could include a) details of responsibilities b) series of testimonies from existing support points
 318 <mongolito404> I'll try to find the time to create the page in the coming days with the content in the LP bug and to link to it (at least from the Participate page), but I'll *not* write more content.
 319 <mongolito404> As usual, we don't need ideas on what to do (we have many), we need somebody to realize some of them.
 320 <woutervddn> Is there something I could do? (after my exams that is..)
 321 <woutervddn> I'm not sure which part is the most urgent.. or which I have 'rights' to change..
 322 <mongolito404> woutervddn: yeah, register on the ubuntu-be-webeditor team on LP and start editing content on the website: ttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be-webeditor
 323 <woutervddn> joined :)
 324 <mongolito404> approved
 325 <jean7491> can we plan another meeting on this topic "update of the website" but limited to participate and support points ?
 326 <mongolito404> Don't break the site, ask me if you need help/mentoring
 327 <woutervddn> :p lol I will..
 328 <woutervddn> I think it would be a good idea to plan a special meeting to talk the whole site true..
 329 <jean7491> special meeting ? when ? 
 330 <steabert> mongolito404: is there a to-do list of stuff that needs work?
 331 <mongolito404> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium
 332 <mongolito404> some issue are old and maybe irrevelant now
 333 <mongolito404> The site content bug is the one we just talked about
 334 <jean7491> to shorten the present meeting, can we continue on this issue at the next irc meeting ?
 335 <steabert> mongolito404: I'll browse through it and see what's within my capabilities :)
 336 <mongolito404> jean7491: yes
 337 <jean7491> about the next irc meeting ?  i propose meeting next week, on thursday 16/11/2010  at 21 h. as last meeting in 2010 ... 
 338 <mongolito404> selckin, woutervddn (and others), if you see anything to need work on the site and don't know if/how you should do it you can also report a bug on LP
 339 <woutervddn> ok
 340 <mongolito404> oups, not selckin but steabert
 341 <jean7491> if ok for next meeting, next topic # 5. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ?
 342 <jean7491> if ok for next meeting, next topic # 5. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ?
 343 <woutervddn> there was this issue I needed to look at (when I was afk)
 344 <jean7491> are there issues to discuss now ?
 345 <jean7491> or can we conclude this meeting ?
 346 <clamam> for me we can conclude the meeting, i will keep you posted about the event in genk next year
 347 <jean7491> ok
 348 * woutervddn est parti (Quit: Leaving)
 349 <jean7491> other comment ?
 350 <steabert> is there a log of these meetings?
 351 <pep`> there is :)
 352 <steabert> i mean, where can we find that later? :)
 353 <pep`> sorry, you should be able to find  it on the wiki
 354 <JanC> steabert: on my hard disk  ;-)
 355 <pep`> or on your hard disk, good point :)
 356 <JanC> but normally sombedy puts it on-line
 357 <jean7491> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings reports and logs
 358 <steabert> thanks
 359 <steabert> I'll check my harddrive too :)
 360 * woutervddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 361 <JanC> steabert: if you use xchat, you can enable loging, and I think Empathy keeps logs too
 362 <steabert> JanC: hhm, seems I'm using something called irssi
 363 <steabert> i like cli :)
 364 <JanC> irssi can keeps logs too  ;)
 365 <JanC> -s
 366 <jean7491> if no other question, ... end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, and have a good night !