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   1 jan 13 21:00:41 <jean7491>	hi to all, we start with a check : who is here for the meeting ?
   2 jan 13 21:00:50 <FrankVanDamme>	me
   3 jan 13 21:00:53 <clamam>	Hello, i am
   4 jan 13 21:01:13 <woutervddn>	i'm here..
   5 jan 13 21:01:14 <massimo21>	me to
   6 jan 13 21:01:41 <FrankVanDamme>	massimo21: I don't think I know you?
   7 jan 13 21:01:46 <mimor>	I am
   8 jan 13 21:02:10 <massimo21>	i live in Genk
   9 jan 13 21:02:59 <jean7491>	hi FrankVanDamme clamam massimo21 woutervddn  mimor Gh0sty ...
  10 jan 13 21:03:36 <Gh0sty>	y
  11 jan 13 21:03:36 <JanC>	o/
  12 jan 13 21:03:44 <mimor>	lo
  13 jan 13 21:04:15 <jean7491>	hi JanC , El-Kodar : are you here for the meeting ?
  14 jan 13 21:04:32 <woutervddn>	I was wondering where JanC was.. refreshing my inbox cleared that out :p ;-)
  15 jan 13 21:05:17 <JanC>	working on a mail about FOSDEM too  ;)
  16 jan 13 21:05:45 <woutervddn>	spammer ;-)
  17 jan 13 21:05:51 <FrankVanDamme>	you'll be at the fosdem booth as usual?
  18 jan 13 21:06:28 <jean7491>	anyone else for the meeting ?
  19 jan 13 21:06:33 <mongolito404>	Hiµ
  20 jan 13 21:06:52 <jean7491>	hi mongolito404
  21 jan 13 21:07:14 *	jimbauwens (51538a12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.83.138.18) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  22 jan 13 21:07:54 <jimbauwens>	Hello!
  23 jan 13 21:08:04 <FrankVanDamme>	hi
  24 jan 13 21:08:25 <jimbauwens>	Sorry for not being in the last meeting, I was a bit busy
  25 jan 13 21:08:31 <jimbauwens>	meetings*
  26 jan 13 21:08:49 <jimbauwens>	Exams, Newyear, etc
  27 jan 13 21:08:56 <jean7491>	hi jimbauwens , welcome back !
  28 jan 13 21:09:04 <jimbauwens>	Thanks you =)
  29 jan 13 21:09:24 <jean7491>	i propose we start with topic #1.  future events - januari - … 2011
  30 jan 13 21:09:46 <jean7491>	item #1   dipro computer fair leuven 16/01/2011, . . .
  31 jan 13 21:09:52 <jean7491>	afaik team and preparation are ok, frank is coordinating
  32 jan 13 21:10:01 <FrankVanDamme>	the vitals are present
  33 jan 13 21:10:07 <jean7491>	FrankVanDamme : comment ?
  34 jan 13 21:10:37 <FrankVanDamme>	which is 3 people including myself @ brabanthalle at 9am, plus the materials
  35 jan 13 21:10:53 <jean7491>	ok
  36 jan 13 21:10:57 <woutervddn>	I'll try to get there at 9 but I'm not sure I'll make it..
  37 jan 13 21:11:24 <woutervddn>	I'll be there before 10h though..
  38 jan 13 21:11:38 <mimor>	I'll have to move to another location / building
  39 jan 13 21:11:54 <mimor>	let's wait with the dipro ghent for 15 minutes?
  40 jan 13 21:12:08 <jean7491>	ok
  41 jan 13 21:12:16 <FrankVanDamme>	I have received cell phone nrs from Rudy & Thijs
  42 jan 13 21:12:46 <mimor>	thx
  43 jan 13 21:12:50 <JanC>	good, always useful in case of unpredictable delays  ;)
  44 jan 13 21:13:27 <FrankVanDamme>	well I once hit a traffic jam close to that location at 1:00 in the night, so well :-)
  45 jan 13 21:14:16 <woutervddn>	yeah.. leuven is known for that..
  46 jan 13 21:14:55 <jean7491>	FrankVanDamme : don't forget a 5 min briefing to the team about what available is (hardware and software, including paswords)
  47 jan 13 21:15:58 <FrankVanDamme>	ok. there's one all-in-one pc I already have, I'll test it before sunday
  48 jan 13 21:16:11 <FrankVanDamme>	plus a few folks bring laptops/netbook
  49 jan 13 21:18:08 <jean7491>	FrankVanDamme : do you have other question/comment ?
  50 jan 13 21:19:38 <FrankVanDamme>	yes: one thing: I presume there are people from the dipro organization who are appointed to arranging stands and so forth?
  51 jan 13 21:20:15 <jean7491>	yes, when you arrive, just ask where is the ubuntu stand ...
  52 jan 13 21:20:24 <FrankVanDamme>	ok perfect
  53 jan 13 21:20:49 <jean7491>	and eventually ask for additional chairs, table, ...
  54 jan 13 21:21:05 <jean7491>	dipro people are cooperative
  55 jan 13 21:21:39 <JanC>	there will be ubuntu-be on the tables for teh stand
  56 jan 13 21:21:48 <FrankVanDamme>	even better
  57 jan 13 21:21:51 <JanC>	a label with "ubuntu-be"
  58 jan 13 21:21:57 <JanC>	but best is to ask
  59 jan 13 21:22:14 <FrankVanDamme>	and for the record, for those who intend to come early: we can enter at gate nr. 5
  60 jan 13 21:22:16 <JanC>	otherwise you can run around the whole fair before finding  ;)
  61 jan 13 21:22:38 <FrankVanDamme>	so we ask. note taken
  62 jan 13 21:23:20 <JanC>	often you can unload your car near the "standhouders" entrance
  63 jan 13 21:23:33 <JanC>	not sure how parking is there?
  64 jan 13 21:23:58 <JanC>	if it's paid parking, maybe warn people to come by bus, or carpool...
  65 jan 13 21:24:30 <FrankVanDamme>	that info should be on the brabanthalle website
  66 jan 13 21:25:17 <JanC>	jean7491: did Dipro say anything about that in a mail to you?
  67 jan 13 21:25:23 <woutervddn>	you can't come by bus.. -_-'
  68 jan 13 21:25:37 <JanC>	woutervddn: can't?
  69 jan 13 21:25:48 <FrankVanDamme>	not on sunday apparently
  70 jan 13 21:25:53 <JanC>	huh
  71 jan 13 21:25:55 <FrankVanDamme>	only on big events probably...
  72 jan 13 21:26:01 <FrankVanDamme>	http://www.brabanthal.be/bereikbaarheid
  73 jan 13 21:26:02 <woutervddn>	I'm taking public transport to get there, but on sundays it can't be done
  74 jan 13 21:26:15 <JanC>	I would think there are fairs on Sunday there quite often?
  75 jan 13 21:26:27 <woutervddn>	(well you can but you'll have to walk for like 17 freakin minutes..)
  76 jan 13 21:26:43 <FrankVanDamme>	oh what's 17' in a person's life. :)
  77 jan 13 21:27:03 <jimbauwens>	alot :)
  78 jan 13 21:27:05 <woutervddn>	JanC: yeah it's strange, during the week there are over 30 busses passing there.. :s
  79 jan 13 21:27:26 <FrankVanDamme>	public transport logic :-)
  80 jan 13 21:27:44 <JanC>	also, not fun if you have to carry a lot of course
  81 jan 13 21:28:28 <jimbauwens>	There doesn't say allot on the website about parking space, this is all I find: "De centrale ligging, de vlotte bereikbaarheid via de Lijn en de ruime parking van ca. 1 000 wagens zijn een belangrijke troef bij de organisatie van een concert of een fuif. "
  82 jan 13 21:28:28 <JanC>	maybe the parking is cheap/free though
  83 jan 13 21:29:39 *	trichard est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
  84 jan 13 21:30:21 <woutervddn>	sec. I'll ask my girlfriend, she worked not far from there..
  85 jan 13 21:31:09 <woutervddn>	she thinks it is a paying parking but she wasn't sure of it..
  86 jan 13 21:31:41 <FrankVanDamme>	most of those parkings are payed-for
  87 jan 13 21:32:41 *	massimo21 est parti (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  88 jan 13 21:32:53 <JanC>	most have a way to make them paid, but that's not always used
  89 jan 13 21:33:08 <JanC>	and sometimes the "standhouders" can park for free/less
  90 jan 13 21:33:24 <jean7491>	eventually we can ask dipro for information, but usually the closest parkings are to be paid, sometimes there is free parking at distance
  91 jan 13 21:34:11 <JanC>	so best is asking Dipro
  92 jan 13 21:34:33 <jean7491>	i'll send a mail to dipro for info
  93 jan 13 21:34:52 <El-Kodar>	hum, what is dipro in french ?
  94 jan 13 21:35:37 <jean7491>	http://www.dipro.be/benl/micro_mega_market/fr
  95 jan 13 21:35:43 <jean7491>	same name
  96 jan 13 21:36:03 <jean7491>	other question for leuven ?
  97 jan 13 21:36:31 <jean7491>	details are in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Leuven_2011-01-16
  98 jan 13 21:37:08 <JanC>	okay, anything more about Leuven ?
  99 jan 13 21:37:26 <FrankVanDamme>	if no one has questions, it's OK for me
 100 jan 13 21:38:44 <jean7491>	item #2 dipro computer fair hasselt 23/01/2011:  already ok – comment massimo21 or clamam
 101 jan 13 21:39:01 <clamam>	Everything is ok
 102 jan 13 21:39:16 <clamam>	http://doodle.com/5d42z7bgdafpg25r?newDesign=true
 103 jan 13 21:39:46 <clamam>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Hasselt_2011-01-23#preview
 104 jan 13 21:40:00 <El-Kodar>	I have a question, what language do you use to a dipro meeting ?
 105 jan 13 21:40:49 <clamam>	it depends on where the dipro fairs is
 106 jan 13 21:40:58 <El-Kodar>	ok : /
 107 jan 13 21:41:05 <clamam>	in Limburg it is dutch
 108 jan 13 21:41:09 <El-Kodar>	I'll wait to a french or language dipro
 109 jan 13 21:41:15 <El-Kodar>	or english
 110 jan 13 21:41:38 <clamam>	but hter are always a couple af vistors that speak french or italian or....
 111 jan 13 21:41:48 <mimor>	k I'm back
 112 jan 13 21:42:12 <JanC>	sometimes a small number of French-speaking visitors show up at Dipro fairs in Flanders, but not many
 113 jan 13 21:42:22 <clamam>	last year we had a volunteer that spoke only spanish and was learning dutch
 114 jan 13 21:42:24 <JanC>	not sure if there is still a Dipro fair in Charleroi?
 115 jan 13 21:42:54 <JanC>	ah, yes, on 20/3
 116 jan 13 21:42:59 <jean7491>	Dipro computer fair Charleroi, 20/03/2011 , Palais des Expo Charleroi (Avenue de l'Europe 21)
 117 jan 13 21:43:29 <El-Kodar>	i'll ask to the charleroi's hackerspace if they wants to visit it
 118 jan 13 21:44:00 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.44.137) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 119 jan 13 21:44:26 *	massimo21 est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 120 jan 13 21:45:21 <JanC>	jean7491: I think Rami is organising the booth at that fair, right?
 121 jan 13 21:46:07 <jean7491>	i hope, ...
 122 jan 13 21:46:33 <jean7491>	he organize it with a few local lug's
 123 jan 13 21:46:45 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.44.137) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 124 jan 13 21:47:01 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.44.137) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 125 jan 13 21:47:05 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.44.137) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 126 jan 13 21:47:18 <jean7491>	item #3 dipro computer fair ghent 30/01/2011: started today,
 127 jan 13 21:47:25 <jean7491>	mimor ?
 128 jan 13 21:47:40 <mimor>	:)
 129 jan 13 21:47:50 <mimor>	has everyone seen the mail from kenneth?
 130 jan 13 21:48:09 <woutervddn>	I've seen it..
 131 jan 13 21:49:42 <JanC>	I will maybe be there, but prefer somebody from Ghent to coordinate...  ;)
 132 jan 13 21:49:49 <jean7491>	yes, but 2 questions: 1. mimor , can you coordinate ? 2. who is volunteer ?
 133 jan 13 21:50:00 <JanC>	especially as I have to organise FOSDEM booth the next weekend
 134 jan 13 21:50:38 <mimor>	I have no idea what to do to coordinate
 135 jan 13 21:50:58 <mimor>	I'm also not 100% fond of the idea to coordinate
 136 jan 13 21:51:04 <mimor>	I'm in the middle of my exams right now
 137 jan 13 21:52:17 <mimor>	is there someone else willing to do it?
 138 jan 13 21:52:25 <mimor>	I can help out... that's for sure
 139 jan 13 21:52:39 <mimor>	is there some page on what to do to coordinate?
 140 jan 13 21:53:10 <mimor>	jean7491 JanC: ^^^
 141 jan 13 21:53:11 <FrankVanDamme>	mimor: you can base yourself on existing wiki pages and mailinglist conversations about eg the fair in Leuven
 142 jan 13 21:53:35 <mimor>	but I guess I'll need to contact the fair organisation
 143 jan 13 21:53:37 <JanC>	coordinate = make sure tehre are volunteers, that equipment will be there, etc.
 144 jan 13 21:53:57 <JanC>	mimor: no, me or jean7491 contact Dipro normally
 145 jan 13 21:54:12 <mimor>	ok
 146 jan 13 21:54:22 <mimor>	then, the only people sure to help out are: me
 147 jan 13 21:54:23 <mimor>	:s
 148 jan 13 21:54:24 <JanC>	just let us know when everything is okay
 149 jan 13 21:54:36 <FrankVanDamme>	I'd say it's not very hard (hold wood I haven't forgotten anything for sunday ;) )
 150 jan 13 21:54:44 <mimor>	I can send mails to the ML to ask for volunteers
 151 jan 13 21:55:10 <jean7491>	yes, good idea 
 152 jan 13 21:55:12 <FrankVanDamme>	and keepa wiki page about the event up to date. it's a really handy tool to organize things.
 153 jan 13 21:55:14 <JanC>	mimor: also to people on the "map", and mayeb ask on the Dutch forum, etc.
 154 jan 13 21:55:25 <mimor>	ok ^^
 155 jan 13 21:55:27 <mimor>	I'm on it
 156 jan 13 21:55:31 <mimor>	creating takslist
 157 jan 13 21:55:51 <JanC>	mimor: also, ask Kenny about a list of previous volunteers maybe
 158 jan 13 21:55:51 <mimor>	mailinglist, dutch forums & supportmap will be asked
 159 jan 13 21:56:02 <mimor>	good idea JanC
 160 jan 13 21:56:21 <JanC>	e.g. his friend who comes often might be able to come
 161 jan 13 21:57:06 <jean7491>	mimor : i'll send you a few tips (from my personal experience) and other information
 162 jan 13 21:57:28 <mimor>	ok thx
 163 jan 13 21:57:30 <mimor>	then I'm in
 164 jan 13 21:57:46 <mimor>	I'll contact jean7491 and JanC if I found enough volunteers
 165 jan 13 21:57:54 <jean7491>	ok, thx
 166 jan 13 21:58:03 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Hasselt_2011-01-23
 167 jan 13 21:58:18 <jean7491>	sorry wrong link !
 168 jan 13 21:58:33 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Ghent_2011-01-31
 169 jan 13 21:58:51 <jean7491>	JanC : can you provide cd's and stickers “powered by ubuntu” for ghent
 170 jan 13 21:59:35 <JanC>	yes
 171 jan 13 22:00:11 <jean7491>	ok, other question for ghent ?
 172 jan 13 22:01:54 <jean7491>	item #4  next Dipro fair in February 2011: Kortrijk (06/02) – we start later ...
 173 jan 13 22:02:03 <jean7491>	item #5 other events ...
 174 jan 13 22:02:12 <jean7491>	digital week 2011, (28/02-05/03/2011) ...
 175 jan 13 22:02:20 <jean7491>	remember, everyone can take an initiative in his environment, if possible in contact with other organizations
 176 jan 13 22:02:26 <jean7491>	already scheduled on 03/03/2011: presentation (2 sessions) of Ubuntu in the public library - Ostend
 177 jan 13 22:03:38 <jean7491>	other information about the digital week ?
 178 jan 13 22:05:58 <woutervddn>	I've talked to the informatic department on my school but I don't think they were font of the idea..
 179 jan 13 22:06:29 <woutervddn>	(now trying to approach my 'I'm-font-of-linux'-docent for it..
 180 jan 13 22:06:39 <jean7491>	ok
 181 jan 13 22:07:07 <jean7491>	JanC anything about fosdem ?
 182 jan 13 22:07:11 <mimor>	ow
 183 jan 13 22:07:26 <mimor>	for the digital week, the city of ghent is also planning to do something with multiseats
 184 jan 13 22:07:34 <mimor>	they already have contact with Guy for that
 185 jan 13 22:07:42 <mimor>	but just wanting to let you know
 186 jan 13 22:07:43 <mimor>	:)
 187 jan 13 22:07:53 <JanC>	mimor: good to know
 188 jan 13 22:07:59 <JanC>	I'm working on a mail about FOSDEM right now
 189 jan 13 22:08:20 <jean7491>	ok mimor and JanC
 190 jan 13 22:08:21 <JanC>	we have a bigger booth than last year
 191 jan 13 22:08:30 <JanC>	so we need to show more  ;)
 192 jan 13 22:08:32 <mimor>	good thing
 193 jan 13 22:09:04 <mimor>	will the dude be there with his arm-testbench?
 194 jan 13 22:09:06 <mimor>	that was awesome
 195 jan 13 22:09:10 <JanC>	there is this page about FOSDEM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/2011
 196 jan 13 22:09:18 <JanC>	mimor: we'll see
 197 jan 13 22:09:32 <mimor>	k
 198 jan 13 22:09:46 <jimbauwens>	I'm planning on going to fosdem, but I don't know if I can help, as I'm planning to help someone make a newsarticle for a linux site
 199 jan 13 22:10:16 <mimor>	newsarticle for a linux site?
 200 jan 13 22:10:20 <jimbauwens>	for LXer.com
 201 jan 13 22:10:27 <mimor>	you can do that from behind the ubuntu booth ;)
 202 jan 13 22:10:43 <jimbauwens>	But I have to take pictures and such
 203 jan 13 22:10:54 <JanC>	jimbauwens: it's 2 days, and you might be able to help for some time (or fetch beer/coffee/sandwiches for the peopel at the booth, or whatever
 204 jan 13 22:11:07 <jimbauwens>	its my first time, and I would like to look around
 205 jan 13 22:11:10 <jimbauwens>	Janc: ok
 206 jan 13 22:11:16 <jimbauwens>	Janc: maybe =)
 207 jan 13 22:11:39 <mimor>	JanC: what marchandise will there be this year?
 208 jan 13 22:11:55 <JanC>	mimor: I hope we will have ubuntu-be t-shirts  ;)
 209 jan 13 22:12:04 <mimor>	not sure yet?
 210 jan 13 22:12:09 <mimor>	on cups this year?
 211 jan 13 22:12:18 <mimor>	muggs
 212 jan 13 22:12:34 <jean7491>	as we have a lot of time before fosdem, i propose we continue with the next topic promotion !
 213 jan 13 22:12:42 <JanC>	I didn't order anything this year (as it's always a hassle with the credit card etc.)
 214 jan 13 22:12:42 <jimbauwens>	Do you need any hardware?
 215 jan 13 22:13:53 <JanC>	jimbauwens: probably not, but will find that out later
 216 jan 13 22:13:58 <jimbauwens>	ok
 217 jan 13 22:14:02 <JanC>	unless you have something special to show
 218 jan 13 22:14:18 <jean7491>	JanC can we add fosdem at the next irc meeting and continue with promotion ?
 219 jan 13 22:14:25 <JanC>	yes
 220 jan 13 22:14:33 <jean7491>	next topic # 2. Promotion
 221 jan 13 22:14:35 <jimbauwens>	JanC: not really
 222 jan 13 22:14:38 <jimbauwens>	ok
 223 jan 13 22:14:46 <jean7491>	item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be :
 224 jan 13 22:14:57 <woutervddn>	yup..
 225 jan 13 22:15:10 <jean7491>	your update ?
 226 jan 13 22:15:32 <woutervddn>	I emailed to cotton-shirts.eu to ask about the price for the 9th design.
 227 jan 13 22:16:00 <woutervddn>	They suggested that we choose another brand (this one is also both fairtrade and green)
 228 jan 13 22:16:25 <woutervddn>	reason for this change was the stitching on the side of the shirts..
 229 jan 13 22:16:58 <woutervddn>	the shirt itself is about 0.02€ more expensive..
 230 jan 13 22:18:20 <JanC>	woutervddn: which design was that again?
 231 jan 13 22:18:41 <woutervddn>	the one with the big logo on the side..
 232 jan 13 22:19:02 <woutervddn>	http://ubuntu-be.org/sites/default/files/t-shirt_black-v9-be.png
 233 jan 13 22:19:42 <woutervddn>	and for printing we've got €11.12 per shirt (vat included) for design 9 and design 6, design 2 and 4 and 8would be €8.56
 234 jan 13 22:20:00 <woutervddn>	last prices include everything but the shipment.
 235 jan 13 22:21:19 <JanC>	woutervddn: do they understand they have to print on the side for #9 ?
 236 jan 13 22:21:28 <woutervddn>	yes.. :)
 237 jan 13 22:21:33 <JanC>	based on how many t-shirts is that price?
 238 jan 13 22:21:42 <woutervddn>	that's based on 100 shirts.
 239 jan 13 22:22:03 <JanC>	we can probably sell more than 100...?
 240 jan 13 22:22:29 <JanC>	OTOH, we still have to pay them up front too of course
 241 jan 13 22:22:35 <woutervddn>	true.
 242 jan 13 22:22:59 <woutervddn>	if would buy 200 shirts it was a little less expensive I think.. (I'll look it up)
 243 jan 13 22:23:02 <JanC>	maybe best start with 100, we're not ubuntu-fr who have 4000 people on their release parties...  ;)
 244 jan 13 22:23:32 <woutervddn>	it's 250 when the prices 'drop' again
 245 jan 13 22:23:33 <JanC>	woutervddn: but 200 x 10 € is almost all money we have, I think
 246 jan 13 22:24:12 <jean7491>	idd
 247 jan 13 22:24:21 <JanC>	and I think we shouldn't invest all money in this
 248 jan 13 22:24:43 <mimor>	I agree
 249 jan 13 22:24:43 <JanC>	even if part of it will be back soon
 250 jan 13 22:25:22 <jean7491>	imho we should start with 100, and see later for more (eventually)
 251 jan 13 22:25:25 <woutervddn>	I also agree on that..
 252 jan 13 22:25:48 <woutervddn>	but personally 2.56 extra for the shirts means we can't make as much money out of it.
 253 jan 13 22:26:12 <clamam>	it's better to buy 100 t-shirts and wait until we sold enough to buy some more
 254 jan 13 22:26:15 <woutervddn>	so I'm not sure which one we should take.. what do you guys think?
 255 jan 13 22:26:35 <JanC>	we can make other designs in the future too
 256 jan 13 22:26:52 <woutervddn>	janc: true..
 257 jan 13 22:27:14 <woutervddn>	(I'm workng on a webshop for two designer girls, maybe they want to design one for us in the future..)
 258 jan 13 22:27:26 <clamam>	the t-shirts can evolve with ubuntu each year
 259 jan 13 22:27:55 <clamam>	have you thougt about the sizes of the t-shirts?
 260 jan 13 22:28:12 <clamam>	L, M, S, XL ??
 261 jan 13 22:28:20 <massimo21>	Xs
 262 jan 13 22:28:22 <woutervddn>	we can mix up as we want..
 263 jan 13 22:28:34 <woutervddn>	srr no xs
 264 jan 13 22:28:35 <JanC>	maybe some lady's t-shirts too?
 265 jan 13 22:28:37 <woutervddn>	s to xl
 266 jan 13 22:28:44 <JanC>	no XXL ?
 267 jan 13 22:28:50 <massimo21>	or XS
 268 jan 13 22:28:59 <woutervddn>	ow, srr for males there is an xxl
 269 jan 13 22:29:03 <woutervddn>	not for girls.
 270 jan 13 22:29:18 <woutervddn>	I'd love to see girls in an ubuntu shirt.. [eye rolling]
 271 jan 13 22:29:56 <JanC>	woutervddn: maybe Laura will  ;)
 272 jan 13 22:30:04 <woutervddn>	who's laura? :p
 273 jan 13 22:30:09 <clamam>	Laura?
 274 jan 13 22:30:14 <JanC>	and Kinouchou
 275 jan 13 22:30:28 <JanC>	see attendance list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/2011
 276 jan 13 22:30:29 <woutervddn>	we've got female ubuntu-be users? :o
 277 jan 13 22:31:12 <JanC>	woutervddn: yes
 278 jan 13 22:31:26 <JanC>	not sure if they will be at FOSDEM though
 279 jan 13 22:31:38 <jean7491>	wouter  you wrote but personally 2.56 extra for the shirts means we can't make as much money out of it. - what do you mean ?
 280 jan 13 22:31:55 <FrankVanDamme>	... if you keep the price s the same
 281 jan 13 22:31:57 <JanC>	well, we have to ask more to make as much money
 282 jan 13 22:32:13 <woutervddn>	well that I'm not sure which shirt we should take.. I'd love to here your opinion
 283 jan 13 22:32:54 <jimbauwens>	Offtopic: does anyone have a pogo/sheeva plug based device? Or even a Seagate freeagent dockstar?
 284 jan 13 22:32:55 *	mongolito404 won't be at FOSDEM, but at the Bxl Drupal Developer Days :(
 285 jan 13 22:33:35 <woutervddn>	-1 for mongolito404 :p
 286 jan 13 22:33:55 <woutervddn>	anyways, do you guys think it's worth the 2.56 extra per shirt?
 287 jan 13 22:33:58 <JanC>	mongolito404: those are on the same day?
 288 jan 13 22:34:05 *	mongolito404 plans to use Villo to visit FOSDEM anyway :D
 289 jan 13 22:34:25 <mongolito404>	JanC: yeah, I think the idea was to let people pick conference from both
 290 jan 13 22:34:42 <woutervddn>	+2 for mongolito404 (wearing an ubuntu-be shirt when transporting yourself will result in a +3)
 291 jan 13 22:34:45 <JanC>	they don't have a devroom anymore?
 292 jan 13 22:34:55 <mongolito404>	Schedule is not done yet, but I guess I'll want to attend 80-90% of the sessions on the Drupal site
 293 jan 13 22:35:20 <jean7491>	woutervddn : it's worth the 2.56 extra per shirt? as i'm not sure of the result of the v9, i prefer another design
 294 jan 13 22:35:22 <mongolito404>	After 2 years of full devroom, I think to decided to try something else
 295 jan 13 22:35:37 <JanC>	makes sense
 296 jan 13 22:35:59 <JanC>	I guess they are in different location though?
 297 jan 13 22:36:01 <jean7491>	wouter, what was the result of the last poll ?
 298 jan 13 22:36:23 <mongolito404>	JanC: Yes, not so close but I was told last week this should be doable on a bike.
 299 jan 13 22:36:39 <jean7491>	to all : can we continue with the topic t-shirts ?
 300 jan 13 22:37:09 <mongolito404>	yeah sure, sorry
 301 jan 13 22:37:12 <woutervddn>	9 votes to v9, 6 votes to to v2, 3 votes for v4 and v6 and v8
 302 jan 13 22:38:21 <woutervddn>	v6 is also costing 2.56 more because of the print on the sleeve so I wouldn't take that one.
 303 jan 13 22:38:42 <woutervddn>	(designs can be viewed at: http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/515/shirt-selection)
 304 jan 13 22:39:12 <woutervddn>	mongolito404, janc, the rest, what do you think about the extra 2.56 for v9?
 305 jan 13 22:39:44 <mongolito404>	I voted for V9 but I don't think the design is worth 2.56€
 306 jan 13 22:40:01 <jean7491>	imho, the v9 needs to be reviewed by a designer (exact place of the cof), for the difference in price, i prefer the v2
 307 jan 13 22:40:40 <jean7491>	but the idea of v9 can be improved for the next edition
 308 jan 13 22:40:47 <massimo21>	i prefer v7-White
 309 jan 13 22:40:50 <woutervddn>	so we've got 2 no's on the v9.. anywone else?
 310 jan 13 22:41:32 <massimo21>	maibe it's best to do new poll without v9
 311 jan 13 22:41:59 <massimo21>	people ho voted V9 can change their votes
 312 jan 13 22:42:12 <woutervddn>	can't we just use the previous poll result then? (the last poll was the same but without v9)
 313 jan 13 22:42:12 <jean7491>	woutervddn : it is not "no", no opposition, but "i prefer"
 314 jan 13 22:42:17 <clamam>	i must go now, bye
 315 jan 13 22:42:19 *	clamam (~claudio@d54C1F249.access.telenet.be) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 316 jan 13 22:43:10 <JanC>	I don't like v9 very much (prefer v4), but I'm not exactly against it either, and many people seem to love it, so with the extra cost I'm somewhat between -0 & -1 on v9
 317 jan 13 22:43:18 <woutervddn>	jean7491: I designed it so my judgment isn't fair, but even I am doubting about the extra money..
 318 jan 13 22:43:48 <massimo21>	so new poll then?
 319 jan 13 22:43:51 <woutervddn>	then we have -2.5 on v9..
 320 jan 13 22:44:20 <massimo21>	did you count me to?
 321 jan 13 22:44:20 <woutervddn>	yup new poll.. :) But I wouldn't make a poll that lasts a week.. I want the shirts in belgium befor february..
 322 jan 13 22:44:30 <JanC>	I prefer v4 or v7 or v1  ;)
 323 jan 13 22:44:54 <FrankVanDamme>	I actually like v7 best... not sure if v9 is worth more
 324 jan 13 22:44:56 <woutervddn>	janC :p if you voted for v7 you were the only one :p
 325 jan 13 22:45:12 <JanC>	I probably voted v4
 326 jan 13 22:45:16 <jimbauwens>	Where can I find all the designs (I forgot)
 327 jan 13 22:45:20 <massimo21>	i made V7
 328 jan 13 22:45:20 <FrankVanDamme>	then again my graphical insight is pretty close to zero
 329 jan 13 22:45:22 <jean7491>	v4 is a copy of a previous t-shirt of canonical, ...
 330 jan 13 22:45:24 <woutervddn>	v7 is also 2.56 more guys, the sleeves also cost extra..
 331 jan 13 22:45:32 <FrankVanDamme>	http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/515/shirt-selection
 332 jan 13 22:45:38 <woutervddn>	jimbauwens here http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/515/shirt-selection
 333 jan 13 22:46:29 <woutervddn>	it's 6, 7 and 9 that are more expensive.. so I'd pull them out of the poll aswell..
 334 jan 13 22:46:37 <jimbauwens>	I voted for 2
 335 jan 13 22:46:59 <massimo21>	ok
 336 jan 13 22:47:18 <woutervddn>	(I like 2, but I'm not sure about the position of the logo, it appears to be to high..)
 337 jan 13 22:47:53 <FrankVanDamme>	in case you go for lower cost, I think v3 is still clearest and most elegant and has logo and name in the right proportion
 338 jan 13 22:48:44 <jimbauwens>	Its to big (in my opinion), as it sticks to much out
 339 jan 13 22:48:50 <woutervddn>	frankvandamme I agree with you, but for 1 reason or another it only had 1 vote.. *-)
 340 jan 13 22:49:05 <massimo21>	i think is isier to poll again instead to discuss it in this way
 341 jan 13 22:49:28 <woutervddn>	yeah, I guess you're right massimo.
 342 jan 13 22:49:41 <jimbauwens>	And don't forget to put the prices by the poll :p
 343 jan 13 22:49:44 <JanC>	more expensive because they need printing twice
 344 jan 13 22:49:58 <woutervddn>	janC indeed..
 345 jan 13 22:50:08 <woutervddn>	one last thing, for the sizes I thought 10 S, 25 M, 30 L , 10XL , 10XXL and 15 girlie shirts?
 346 jan 13 22:50:52 <woutervddn>	(just a quick idea.. I don't have a clue about sizes..)
 347 jan 13 22:51:13 <JanC>	sizes at small amounts are difficult to predict
 348 jan 13 22:51:40 <mongolito404>	If a remeber correctly, last year we were short on XL and XLL shirts
 349 jan 13 22:51:41 <woutervddn>	(our opinions about small amounts differ I guess :p)
 350 jan 13 22:51:55 <woutervddn>	there were shirts last year?
 351 jan 13 22:52:02 <woutervddn>	:o data about them?
 352 jan 13 22:52:18 <massimo21>	i'm keaving now
 353 jan 13 22:52:24 <FrankVanDamme>	most merchandising stands are first out of L's, then the rest;
 354 jan 13 22:52:25 <massimo21>	here you guys next week
 355 jan 13 22:52:34 <woutervddn>	o/
 356 jan 13 22:52:36 <massimo21>	good night
 357 jan 13 22:52:38 <jean7491>	it is easier to use a to large t-shirt than a too small !
 358 jan 13 22:52:42 <jimbauwens>	'night
 359 jan 13 22:52:45 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.44.137) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 360 jan 13 22:52:49 <mimor>	night
 361 jan 13 22:53:05 <woutervddn>	jean7491: any idea about a better way of putting the sizes?
 362 jan 13 22:55:03 <jean7491>	no experience, just a personal opinion in your proposal : less medium (15) and more xl (20)
 363 jan 13 22:55:36 <woutervddn>	ok..
 364 jan 13 22:56:41 <JanC>	I think 10 S might be much
 365 jan 13 22:56:53 <FrankVanDamme>	probably, yes
 366 jan 13 22:57:03 <FrankVanDamme>	there are not so many "small males"
 367 jan 13 22:57:07 <FrankVanDamme>	most even wear L
 368 jan 13 22:57:16 <JanC>	well, some older kids maybe
 369 jan 13 22:57:21 <jean7491>	i understand a new poll with a limited number of design (due to price review) and a short period
 370 jan 13 22:57:31 <woutervddn>	so what do you think about 5S 20M 30L 20XL 10XXL
 371 jan 13 22:57:41 <woutervddn>	jean7491 yes, I'll put it online tonight.
 372 jan 13 22:57:45 <FrankVanDamme>	better
 373 jan 13 22:57:54 <JanC>	sounds better, yes
 374 jan 13 22:57:59 <jean7491>	ok
 375 jan 13 22:58:11 <woutervddn>	ok..
 376 jan 13 22:58:17 <jean7491>	we still have time to review sizes
 377 jan 13 22:58:42 <jean7491>	ok for t-shirts, we continue ?
 378 jan 13 22:58:52 <jean7491>	with nest item ?
 379 jan 13 22:59:04 <woutervddn>	yup..
 380 jan 13 22:59:10 *	woutervddn changing room
 381 jan 13 22:59:27 <jean7491>	item #2 promotion material for fairs/events : a few ideas ...
 382 jan 13 22:59:34 <JanC>	about other promo items...
 383 jan 13 22:59:43 <jean7491>	a few stickers “Powered by Ubuntu” should be available in every booth/event.
 384 jan 13 22:59:50 <jean7491>	are there other stickers or other material available by canonical ?
 385 jan 13 22:59:51 <JanC>	this week I received a table cloth & a banner from Canonical
 386 jan 13 23:00:05 <jean7491>	nice !
 387 jan 13 23:00:25 <JanC>	and I received the conference pack I ordered
 388 jan 13 23:00:39 <JanC>	I wonder if I should order CDs for FOSDEM too?
 389 jan 13 23:01:03 <JanC>	(maybe use part of these for fairs if needed?)
 390 jan 13 23:01:31 <jean7491>	JanC : can you send me pictures of the banner and table cloth, with details (size)
 391 jan 13 23:01:39 <FrankVanDamme>	I'll have to leave guys, need to get up early. I'll stay logged in though. catch you later (sunday eg)
 392 jan 13 23:01:44 <JanC>	one new thing in the conference pack is that it has lots of lanyards
 393 jan 13 23:02:06 <jean7491>	FrankVanDamme : bye
 394 jan 13 23:02:19 <JanC>	which we can distribute to several promo boxes later
 395 jan 13 23:02:28 <jimbauwens>	FrankVanDamme: 'night
 396 jan 13 23:02:29 <jean7491>	ok
 397 jan 13 23:02:57 <JanC>	55 lanyards
 398 jan 13 23:03:08 *	wouter_vddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 399 jan 13 23:03:11 <jean7491>	ok, another material : i saw an ubuntu-calendar 2011 in spanish and french
 400 jan 13 23:03:16 <jean7491>	sp :  http://spreadubuntu.org/es/material/unusual/calendario-ubuntu-ubuntu-calendar
 401 jan 13 23:03:23 <jean7491>	fr : http://spreadubuntu.org/fr/material/unusual/calendrier-ubuntu-ubuntu-calendar
 402 jan 13 23:03:30 <jean7491>	is there a volunteer to translate the svg file in dutch ?
 403 jan 13 23:04:03 *	woutervddn est parti (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 404 jan 13 23:04:12 <JanC>	it's just month names?
 405 jan 13 23:04:37 <jean7491>	yes, but in svg
 406 jan 13 23:04:39 <JanC>	shouldn't be difficult...
 407 jan 13 23:04:40 <wouter_vddn>	when must it be finished?
 408 jan 13 23:05:15 <jean7491>	no limit, just a goodie for the booths
 409 jan 13 23:05:27 <wouter_vddn>	I'll translate it.. :)
 410 jan 13 23:05:38 <wouter_vddn>	but then I'll have to do it tomorrow, else I'll forget..
 411 jan 13 23:06:33 <JanC>	:P
 412 jan 13 23:06:53 <jean7491>	an idea is herhaps to use colored paper (120gr sheet) to spare ink
 413 jan 13 23:06:55 <JanC>	don't forget the t-shirts need to be ready too  ;)
 414 jan 13 23:07:40 <wouter_vddn>	jean7491, how would you put the white inkt on it then?
 415 jan 13 23:08:05 <wouter_vddn>	janc, I know ;-)
 416 jan 13 23:08:06 *	bbartek est parti (Quit: Ik ga weg)
 417 jan 13 23:08:43 <JanC>	making a version with a white background sounds more feasible then  ;)
 418 jan 13 23:09:09 <jean7491>	with yellow writing
 419 jan 13 23:09:47 <wouter_vddn>	hmm.. I'll take a look at it :)
 420 jan 13 23:09:54 <jimbauwens>	Yelow on white?
 421 jan 13 23:10:01 <jimbauwens>	yellow*
 422 jan 13 23:10:12 <JanC>	I would just invert the purple & white or such
 423 jan 13 23:10:31 <JanC>	(except in the logo!)
 424 jan 13 23:10:31 <wouter_vddn>	janc: good idea..
 425 jan 13 23:10:42 <jean7491>	but to be printed on colored paper (violet)
 426 jan 13 23:11:07 <JanC>	you can't print lighter colours on (dark) purple paper
 427 jan 13 23:11:08 <jimbauwens>	I'm colorblind, so some combinations don't seem right for me :p
 428 jan 13 23:11:43 <JanC>	well, depends on printing technique used, but not with inkjet etc.
 429 jan 13 23:12:31 <jimbauwens>	How many would you need?
 430 jan 13 23:12:58 <JanC>	what?
 431 jan 13 23:13:06 <jean7491>	an alternative is to use sand colored paper (160 gr) (i have enough paper)
 432 jan 13 23:13:15 <jimbauwens>	Calenders
 433 jan 13 23:13:25 <jean7491>	with violer ink for writing
 434 jan 13 23:13:28 <JanC>	isn't that something peopel can print at home?
 435 jan 13 23:13:31 <jean7491>	violet
 436 jan 13 23:14:29 <wouter_vddn>	janC it could be a nice gadget..
 437 jan 13 23:14:30 <jean7491>	of course print at homen but needs 160 gr paper
 438 jan 13 23:14:45 <wouter_vddn>	quite cheap and people would use it a whole year..
 439 jan 13 23:14:49 <wouter_vddn>	very neat idea..
 440 jan 13 23:14:55 <mongolito404>	I'll go to bed. No news regarding the map, but I fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium/+bug/684443 for the website. Also, I remind everyone interested that a) I'm available to mentor any work on the website, just ask. b) we can still open a ML for webeditors if we feel there is a need (Im starting to think there is actually a huge need for this, to encourage peopele to mail)
 441 jan 13 23:16:06 <jean7491>	ok, next time we will start with wiki and website !
 442 jan 13 23:16:32 <wouter_vddn>	ok..
 443 jan 13 23:16:55 <jean7491>	still about promotion ...
 444 jan 13 23:17:11 <wouter_vddn>	nice that that bug is gone.. ;-)
 445 jan 13 23:17:15 <jean7491>	About the flyers ubuntu-be a6 (2009): I expect that our stock will out/empty in june 2011 : are there ideas for a new design ?
 446 jan 13 23:17:30 <mongolito404>	The bug isn't "gone", I fixed it :D
 447 jan 13 23:17:34 <mongolito404>	good night all
 448 jan 13 23:17:42 <wouter_vddn>	lol that's what i meant :p
 449 jan 13 23:17:44 <jean7491>	good night 
 450 jan 13 23:17:45 <wouter_vddn>	o/
 451 jan 13 23:17:50 <jimbauwens>	mongolito404: night
 452 jan 13 23:17:51 <wouter_vddn>	have an url to that jean?
 453 jan 13 23:18:01 <wouter_vddn>	I've never seen the flyers..
 454 jan 13 23:18:13 *	mongolito404 (~mongolito@83.101.32.215) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 455 jan 13 23:18:18 <JanC>	mongolito404: thanks for fixing!
 456 jan 13 23:19:17 <jean7491>	wouter : see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial
 457 jan 13 23:19:36 <JanC>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyer+2009.resized.jpg I guess
 458 jan 13 23:19:48 <JanC>	we need a new design based on the new logo & font
 459 jan 13 23:20:12 <jean7491>	i just launch an idea for reaction through the ml
 460 jan 13 23:20:13 <wouter_vddn>	I'll look in to it.. I'm getting along well with gimp lately.. :p
 461 jan 13 23:20:43 <jean7491>	next item #3 education – courses
 462 jan 13 23:20:49 <wouter_vddn>	(and other linux art programs)
 463 jan 13 23:21:00 <jean7491>	for information, a course linux-2 start in ostend (deavondschool.be) on 25/01/2011
 464 jan 13 23:21:44 <jean7491>	to continue topic # 3. Update Wiki : are there suggestions or comments 
 465 jan 13 23:21:51 <JanC>	and one in Hageland too,a round the same time
 466 jan 13 23:22:18 <JanC>	no comments/suggestions for now
 467 jan 13 23:22:56 <jean7491>	topic# 4. Update web-site : you already read from mongolito404 , other comment ?
 468 jan 13 23:23:10 <wouter_vddn>	social networks..
 469 jan 13 23:23:30 <wouter_vddn>	since we have a twitter and a facebook account we might want to blend those in with the site..
 470 jan 13 23:23:44 <wouter_vddn>	I think both the social account and the website can benefit from it..
 471 jan 13 23:23:56 <JanC>	we also have an identi.ca account etc.
 472 jan 13 23:24:03 <JanC>	or group
 473 jan 13 23:24:11 <wouter_vddn>	janC: I read about that, but didn't it say it was unused?
 474 jan 13 23:24:22 <jean7491>	for me ok for both
 475 jan 13 23:24:54 <jean7491>	btw i forget to ask clamam to update the facebook page with events
 476 jan 13 23:25:24 <JanC>	maybe we need automatic updates  ;)
 477 jan 13 23:25:53 <wouter_vddn>	can that be done?
 478 jan 13 23:26:02 <JanC>	everything can be done
 479 jan 13 23:26:24 <wouter_vddn>	on facebook you can't do everything you want :p
 480 jan 13 23:26:47 <wouter_vddn>	but it's definitely something we should look at..
 481 jan 13 23:26:51 <JanC>	if you can post messages,you can also automate it  ;)
 482 jan 13 23:27:14 <JanC>	anyway, not an issue for this meeting
 483 jan 13 23:27:22 <jean7491>	i'll mail tomorrow to clamam for (manual) update
 484 jan 13 23:27:31 <jean7491>	next topic # 5. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ?
 485 jan 13 23:27:42 <wouter_vddn>	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium/+bug/399194 is this bug fixed allready? (contact the events team)
 486 jan 13 23:28:53 <JanC>	wouter_vddn: to be honest, I'd like to end the meeting soon  ;)
 487 jan 13 23:29:02 <wouter_vddn>	sorry.. :p
 488 jan 13 23:29:11 <jean7491>	next irc meeting ? on thursday 20/01/2011 at 21 h.
 489 jan 13 23:29:20 <wouter_vddn>	good for me..
 490 jan 13 23:29:23 <JanC>	ok
 491 jan 13 23:29:35 <jean7491>	end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !