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   1 fév 24 21:01:26 <jean7491>	   hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 fév 24 21:01:58 <woutervddn>	hi jean.. I'm here (ofcourse)
   3 fév 24 21:03:57 <jean7491>	hello woutervddn
   4 fév 24 21:04:28 <woutervddn>	o/
   5 fév 24 21:04:55 <clamam>	hello Jean, Wouter
   6 fév 24 21:05:31 <jean7491>	hello clamam ! JanC ? mimor ? and others ?
   7 fév 24 21:08:45 <jean7491>	looks like a confidential meeting !
   8 fév 24 21:09:15 <woutervddn>	I'm guessing JanC is going to join..
   9 fév 24 21:09:30 <woutervddn>	maybe they're just away for a minute or so..
  10 fév 24 21:09:37 <jean7491>	i'm hoping too
  11 fév 24 21:10:45 <woutervddn>	We'll see.. :)
  12 fév 24 21:11:56 <woutervddn>	I guess we could start allready?
  13 fév 24 21:13:21 <jean7491>	3 is clearly not enough, we wait a few minutes for JanC
  14 fév 24 21:14:16 <clamam>	ok, lets wait
  15 fév 24 21:14:21 <woutervddn>	true that..
  16 fév 24 21:16:00 <JanC>	I'm busy with something else, but a quick question: is the organisation for A'pen okay?
  17 fév 24 21:16:38 <jean7491>	yes, nero took over, enough volunteers, mat. is ok
  18 fév 24 21:17:09 *	Jurgentje (~jurgen@94-227-10-80.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  19 fév 24 21:17:25 <woutervddn>	I've got a question about A'pen also, but I guess we're going to talk about that in the events topic?
  20 fév 24 21:17:43 <Jurgentje>	Hi... sorry I'm late.
  21 fév 24 21:17:57 <jean7491>	idd, but nero (coordinator) is not here !
  22 fév 24 21:18:13 <jean7491>	hello Jurgentje
  23 fév 24 21:18:18 <Jurgentje>	ouch! that's odd - not of his habit, I think
  24 fév 24 21:18:37 *	trichard est parti (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
  25 fév 24 21:18:39 <jean7491>	no problem, we didn't start yet
  26 fév 24 21:18:50 *	trichard (~quassel@228.182-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  27 fév 24 21:19:31 <jean7491>	ok, we start with 1st topic
  28 fév 24 21:19:36 <jean7491>	topic #1.  future events
  29 fév 24 21:19:38 <woutervddn>	ah well we've got 4 now :p With a bit of luck even nero joins in in a few secs
  30 fév 24 21:19:53 <jean7491>	item #1 hobby and computers days - antwerp 26-27/02/2011
  31 fév 24 21:20:02 <jean7491>	team and material should be ok, nero took over the coordination
  32 fév 24 21:20:42 <jean7491>	and bram will move the material to a'pen expo sat. 08.30 hr.
  33 fév 24 21:20:50 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2011-02-26-27
  34 fév 24 21:20:56 <woutervddn>	R they going to take the shirts with them?
  35 fév 24 21:21:20 <jean7491>	afaik nero has the t-shirts 
  36 fév 24 21:21:36 <Jurgentje>	I see the "simple posters for the entrance" ...
  37 fév 24 21:21:43 <Jurgentje>	is that taken care of already?
  38 fév 24 21:21:59 <woutervddn>	but will they sell them? I've got someone who had ordered a shirt in pre-order and he asked if he could pick it up at A'pen
  39 fév 24 21:23:05 <jean7491>	don't know, idea is a poster at the entrance like "free your pc" with "bezoek onze stand" or something like that
  40 fév 24 21:23:16 *	warddr (~draw30@Wikipedia/Warddr) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  41 fév 24 21:23:19 <jean7491>	about t-shirts? 
  42 fév 24 21:23:28 <warddr>	g'avond iedereen
  43 fév 24 21:23:38 <warddr>	evening all$
  44 fév 24 21:23:39 <jean7491>	hello warddr
  45 fév 24 21:23:42 <woutervddn>	o/
  46 fév 24 21:24:13 <jean7491>	JanC : i presume nero will sell the t-shirts in a'pen ?
  47 fév 24 21:24:15 <woutervddn>	I guess it would be easier if I just mail him that I'll send him the shirt for free.. I'll pay that 1 euro myself then.. saves a lot of trouble.. -_-'
  48 fév 24 21:25:24 <Jurgentje>	jean... okay, I'll make a simple Ubuntu style thingie ... (on it while we're doing this)
  49 fév 24 21:28:03 <jean7491>	@ Jurgentje : you can write or fix a text on a "free your pc" poster
  50 fév 24 21:28:25 <jean7491>	@ woutervddn: up to you
  51 fév 24 21:29:08 <woutervddn>	I'll do it like that, simplifies stuff..
  52 fév 24 21:30:10 <jean7491>	a last comment about a'pen : club members have free entrance on saturday, with a club-card ...
  53 fév 24 21:31:28 *	trichard est parti (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
  54 fév 24 21:31:43 <jean7491>	eventually, we could make a kind of club-card, do you think it is usefull to do that ?
  55 fév 24 21:32:02 <JanC>	jean7491 / woutervddn: I gave the t-shirts to nero to sell in A'pen, so if somebody wants to pick up a pre-ordered t-shirt in a size that is still available you should ask nero to put it aside
  56 fév 24 21:32:03 *	trichard (~quassel@228.182-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  57 fév 24 21:32:15 <woutervddn>	I think that would be a great idea
  58 fév 24 21:32:24 <woutervddn>	@janC I'll ask him then..
  59 fév 24 21:32:47 <JanC>	check if teh correct size is still available though  ☺
  60 fév 24 21:33:39 <jean7491>	JanC about club-cards, what do you think ?
  61 fév 24 21:34:36 <Jurgentje>	basically, we can make something simple in Inkscape - send it by mail, and everyone print it for now?
  62 fév 24 21:35:00 <Jurgentje>	email
  63 fév 24 21:35:40 <jean7491>	at the other hand, clubcards without any control is a risk of abuse ! only members of the loco-team should use it
  64 fév 24 21:35:46 <woutervddn>	true..
  65 fév 24 21:36:06 <woutervddn>	But making clubcards would make it possible to see who's still an active member..
  66 fév 24 21:36:31 <Jurgentje>	okay then... how do we get them spread? I assume it could be easy to put the launchpad account on it as a "verification"
  67 fév 24 21:37:18 <woutervddn>	We could mail them as a pdf or send them by post..
  68 fév 24 21:37:37 <jean7491>	i don't know how to control it withaout an admin charge, in fact useless for ubuntu-be
  69 fév 24 21:37:52 <woutervddn>	how do you mean jean,
  70 fév 24 21:37:53 <woutervddn>	*?
  71 fév 24 21:38:27 <JanC>	we should make them pay a small amount every year to cover costs and to make sure they really want it
  72 fév 24 21:38:40 <Jurgentje>	basically... forging a membershipcard is pretty easy ... whomever wants to forge a HCC membership card, could do so too
  73 fév 24 21:39:17 <woutervddn>	I like jan's idea..
  74 fév 24 21:39:27 <jean7491>	making club-cards linked to names: how to? is it worthy to add another administrative charge ? who will care for it ?
  75 fév 24 21:39:32 <woutervddn>	we could sent them a gadget also to compensate for the payment..
  76 fév 24 21:39:32 <JanC>	membership can also include free stickers or whatever to make the cost seem less  ;)
  77 fév 24 21:39:45 <JanC>	woutervddn:  ☺
  78 fév 24 21:39:54 <woutervddn>	:p lol
  79 fév 24 21:39:57 <Jurgentje>	okay, so basically you're going to make your volunteers at Dipro also pay to be allowed to help?
  80 fév 24 21:40:30 <clamam>	but we have to make someone in charge for sending the membership cards and see that every year the member pays the membership
  81 fév 24 21:40:50 <clamam>	i don't know if it's a good idea
  82 fév 24 21:41:13 <woutervddn>	well thats why I like the idea of seperate teams inside U-be..
  83 fév 24 21:41:21 <jean7491>	imho, it is the only utility for club-cards, an easy access for the volunteers
  84 fév 24 21:41:55 <JanC>	Jurgentje: you don't *need* to have a membership card to help at the booth
  85 fév 24 21:42:04 <clamam>	ubuntu-be isn't structured enough for that, that's what i think
  86 fév 24 21:42:19 <woutervddn>	solving the structure might be a good thing to do first..
  87 fév 24 21:42:39 <jean7491>	but in the practice, volunteers at the booth can have free access if the coordinator care for contact with dipro
  88 fév 24 21:42:44 <Jurgentje>	agree on that point. Don't really think we need to get a fixed structure though.
  89 fév 24 21:43:12 <jean7491>	ok, forget my idea about club-cards !
  90 fév 24 21:43:21 <Jurgentje>	but since volunteers are known (wiki) ... we can make membership "PDF's" and the can be print
  91 fév 24 21:43:27 <clamam>	if we give membershipcards to members, how is going to pay the entrance @ fairs if it's free for a member of ubuntu-be
  92 fév 24 21:43:31 <Jurgentje>	so they're "team members"
  93 fév 24 21:43:47 <clamam>	volunteers have already free acces @ fairs
  94 fév 24 21:44:00 <clamam>	only parking costs are paid
  95 fév 24 21:44:11 <Jurgentje>	ah, okay, I misunderstood - I though we all had to pay for the big one
  96 fév 24 21:44:11 <woutervddn>	it's a good idea jean, but we have to think about the benefits for it.. *-) I'll think about that..
  97 fév 24 21:44:34 <jean7491>	ok, we stop with club-cards ...
  98 fév 24 21:44:49 <JanC>	we might want to think about more structure, but then we need to become a vzw/asbl, and that would involve extra work...
  99 fév 24 21:45:17 <JanC>	it's something we would need to think about if we want to sell more stuff anyway...
 100 fév 24 21:45:50 <jean7491>	charge yes, but possibility to be recognize as association, ...
 101 fév 24 21:46:06 <woutervddn>	I think a debat about that would be a nice topic on the IRL meeting
 102 fév 24 21:46:14 <JanC>	woutervddn: +1 on that
 103 fév 24 21:46:21 <Jurgentje>	+1
 104 fév 24 21:46:30 <jean7491>	ok, we will speak about it later ! 
 105 fév 24 21:46:36 <clamam>	ok
 106 fév 24 21:46:53 <jean7491>	ok for a'pen, no comment ?
 107 fév 24 21:47:42 <jean7491>	now item #2 digital week 2011, (28/02-04/03/2011)  
 108 fév 24 21:47:53 <jean7491>	no new information,    scheduled on 03/03/2011 in the public library – Ostend  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/DigitalWeek-2011
 109 fév 24 21:48:02 <jean7491>	Other events on 26/02 in Niel, see http://www.digitaleweek.be/activiteiten-2011/infodag-computerclub-monitor-niel-vzw and in Schoten, see http://digitaleweek.be/activiteiten-2011/vrije-software-dag
 110 fév 24 21:49:00 <jean7491>	we should do better next year ! in both digitale week and la semaine numérique
 111 fév 24 21:49:22 <jean7491>	Item #3 dipro fair brugge – 13/03/2011
 112 fév 24 21:49:22 <jean7491>	volunteers, please add your names in the wiki
 113 fév 24 21:49:22 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Brugge_2011-03-13
 114 fév 24 21:50:37 <jean7491>	JanC : perhaps you can find other volunteers from brugge ?
 115 fév 24 21:51:29 <jean7491>	a few words about future events ...
 116 fév 24 21:51:37 <jean7491>	item #4 dipro charleroi – 20/03/2011
 117 fév 24 21:51:44 <jean7491>	adrien and sylvain are in contact to collaborate with local lug's.  volunteers, please add your names in the wiki
 118 fév 24 21:51:49 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Charleroi_2011-03-20
 119 fév 24 21:52:49 <jean7491>	JanC : do you have cd's 10,10 and 10,04 for charleroi? yes i know, we have time and how many cd's will be left-over ?
 120 fév 24 21:53:33 <JanC>	I have some CDs left
 121 fév 24 21:54:21 <jean7491>	we see  that in dipro brugge
 122 fév 24 21:54:44 <jean7491>	Other comment about events ?   JanC : do not forget a report about fosdem in our wiki ! =>  usefull to be added in the monthly report
 123 fév 24 21:55:42 <jean7491>	if no comment next topic # 2. Promotion
 124 fév 24 21:55:49 <jean7491>	item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be :
 125 fév 24 21:55:57 <jean7491>	update by wouter ?
 126 fév 24 21:56:00 <woutervddn>	I'm still waiting for a go from mark..
 127 fév 24 21:56:17 <woutervddn>	but other than that I can say they have kept the print screen
 128 fév 24 21:56:36 <woutervddn>	They'll only charge 10€ to put it on the machine and to set everything up..
 129 fév 24 21:56:46 <woutervddn>	so we'll get them cheaper this time..
 130 fév 24 21:56:59 <jean7491>	10 euros in place of ?
 131 fév 24 21:58:07 <woutervddn>	well they put something of 250 last time for everything..
 132 fév 24 21:58:34 <woutervddn>	I don't think that was just to make the screen as that would mean the color was free..
 133 fév 24 21:58:52 <woutervddn>	So I asked how much of that was for the set-up but up till now no answer on that..
 134 fév 24 21:59:05 <jean7491>	ok, you will see !
 135 fév 24 21:59:22 <woutervddn>	My guess is that there's a huge part that will drop away though.. making the screen is the most expensive thing of all
 136 fév 24 21:59:35 <jean7491>	ok, other comment ?
 137 fév 24 22:00:11 <woutervddn>	not really..
 138 fév 24 22:00:15 <woutervddn>	I think.. *-)
 139 fév 24 22:00:19 <jean7491>	item #2 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011
 140 fév 24 22:00:19 <warddr>	Did you ask that they can put the print a litle higher?
 141 fév 24 22:00:56 <woutervddn>	yes.. but in the last mail, so still no answer on that :)
 142 fév 24 22:01:07 <jean7491>	ok
 143 fév 24 22:01:27 <warddr>	ok
 144 fév 24 22:01:57 <jean7491>	about flyers, nothing new afaik ...
 145 fév 24 22:02:01 <jean7491>	- please look at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsFlyers2011
 146 fév 24 22:02:08 <jean7491>	and add your proposals/comments in the mailing list and in the wiki page – we desperately need your ideas.
 147 fév 24 22:02:24 <Jurgentje>	I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to have flyers and rollout (next item) worked on in unison
 148 fév 24 22:02:31 <Jurgentje>	so they align in style
 149 fév 24 22:02:41 <woutervddn>	^good idea..
 150 fév 24 22:03:10 <woutervddn>	I'm guessing I'll have more time next week. The site I'm designing is almost ready, once that's off the track I should have more time..
 151 fév 24 22:03:16 <woutervddn>	(or  so I hope)
 152 fév 24 22:04:01 <jean7491>	ok, we have time to look for good designs (flyers and rollups)
 153 fév 24 22:04:09 <Jurgentje>	the theme used in Ubuntu with the big orange circles... is this something we can use? (I mean, if we also use the Ubuntu.com theme in our "Ubuntu" material... it only adds to the visibility
 154 fév 24 22:05:00 <woutervddn>	jurgen: we are kind of made to use that theme.. :p
 155 fév 24 22:05:32 <Jurgentje>	well umm... I don't see it on the flyers :s
 156 fév 24 22:06:28 <woutervddn>	how do you mean?
 157 fév 24 22:06:33 <Jurgentje>	so I was wondering if this was because of a reason (prohibition... only to be used by canonical, ...)
 158 fév 24 22:06:43 <woutervddn>	do you mean the icons?
 159 fév 24 22:06:54 <woutervddn>	like the talk, contribute, artwork,... icons?
 160 fév 24 22:07:01 <Jurgentje>	yes, indeed... and it is also used in the buttons now
 161 fév 24 22:07:33 <Jurgentje>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2
 162 fév 24 22:08:16 <woutervddn>	I'm going to add these to the design, but back then I couldn't find them (or not all of them at least)
 163 fév 24 22:08:28 <Jurgentje>	:)
 164 fév 24 22:08:33 <woutervddn>	turns out some of them are on the canonical site and another part is on spreadubuntu.com
 165 fév 24 22:08:42 <Jurgentje>	I like the idea of a big "thought balloon"
 166 fév 24 22:09:50 <jean7491>	we continue with Item #3 promotion material for fairs/events - rollups 2011 
 167 fév 24 22:10:01 <jean7491>	several proposals are in the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsRollup2011
 168 fév 24 22:10:01 <jean7491>	please add your suggestions/comments in the wiki and/or in the mailing list:
 169 fév 24 22:10:09 <Jurgentje>	that's what I used on the rollup... but I don't know for sure if I have the exact orange.
 170 fév 24 22:10:46 <woutervddn>	I'll look at your orange..
 171 fév 24 22:11:17 <Jurgentje>	I actually just made it out of the top of my head (memory)
 172 fév 24 22:12:40 <jean7491>	have a look at http://design.canonical.com/brand/
 173 fév 24 22:13:19 <Jurgentje>	okay... that's a new page for me... but an important one :)
 174 fév 24 22:13:20 <Jurgentje>	thanks
 175 fév 24 22:13:35 <jean7491>	see nr 5.
 176 fév 24 22:14:53 <jean7491>	i added proposals for the rollups in the wiki, feel free to comment/improve !
 177 fév 24 22:15:05 <jean7491>	Item #4  promotion material for fairs/events - other goodies (mugs, bags, pens, ...
 178 fév 24 22:15:14 <jean7491>	a few propositions are in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
 179 fév 24 22:15:19 <jean7491>	please feel free to comment the proposals and to add designs
 180 fév 24 22:15:29 <jean7491>	warddr ? comment ?
 181 fév 24 22:16:13 <warddr>	I'd like to know how much we like to order
 182 fév 24 22:16:47 <warddr>	Take a look at the example quantity's, for pens it's : €230,86 for 600 , is that too much?
 183 fév 24 22:17:28 <Jurgentje>	that's just one colour, I assume
 184 fév 24 22:17:40 <warddr>	Orange pens with 1 color print indeed
 185 fév 24 22:17:50 <woutervddn>	We only need white I guess..
 186 fév 24 22:18:00 <Jurgentje>	yeah, I guess so too.
 187 fév 24 22:18:02 <woutervddn>	(or black, but I think white looks better)
 188 fév 24 22:18:21 <Jurgentje>	how about the previous Ubuntu pens? I thought the looked great.
 189 fév 24 22:18:36 <Jurgentje>	are they too expensive? or out of stock?
 190 fév 24 22:18:48 <warddr>	They are over €1 / piece
 191 fév 24 22:19:07 <warddr>	this is €0,38 / piece
 192 fév 24 22:19:31 <warddr>	I think for the mugs we've got a great deal, we won't find it cheaper I think
 193 fév 24 22:19:32 <jean7491>	the other pens were from canonical
 194 fév 24 22:19:38 <Jurgentje>	mhm... I'd rather pay €3 for one of those, than €1 for this one (but then again, that's maybe because I have a pen fetish and these one have a cheap feel)
 195 fév 24 22:20:47 <warddr>	pens from cannonical are €1,19, excl. shipping
 196 fév 24 22:21:12 <Jurgentje>	okay... I get your point
 197 fév 24 22:21:50 <jean7491>	do you think people will buy pen's in dipro or other event ?
 198 fév 24 22:22:04 <warddr>	At fosdem they will
 199 fév 24 22:22:35 <Jurgentje>	sure, they will. But the question is: will they give more? I mean, many people now give a few Euros
 200 fév 24 22:22:53 <Jurgentje>	if you offer them to buy a pen... we're implicitly saying: give use 1 euro
 201 fév 24 22:22:55 <Jurgentje>	no?
 202 fév 24 22:22:56 <warddr>	If we sell pens for €0,50 we even have profit, that's the same price you buy a bic for, or cheaper
 203 fév 24 22:23:05 <woutervddn>	well I'm for an online shop thingy.. shirts and other goodies..
 204 fév 24 22:23:29 <warddr>	I like that idea, woutervddn
 205 fév 24 22:24:03 <warddr>	But if we order mugs we can't ship them, they are way too breakable
 206 fév 24 22:24:35 <Jurgentje>	I think setting up an online shop on the site isn't that hard... but the physical logistics is the part that we would have to be clear on
 207 fév 24 22:26:19 <woutervddn>	well I've set up online shops before so that won't be the problem
 208 fév 24 22:26:29 <woutervddn>	as for the mugs, I think we can, we just need to bubble wrap them..
 209 fév 24 22:26:30 <warddr>	The stock should be with 1 or 2 people who don't mind going to the post office every now and then
 210 fév 24 22:26:53 <woutervddn>	I've got a mug send once, and it was completely intact at arrival
 211 fév 24 22:27:16 <Jurgentje>	well, we need a few distribution points and people who can - guaranteed - take care of the packaging/shipping/handling AND storing/stock maintenance
 212 fév 24 22:27:30 <warddr>	If I see what packages I receive look like I don't know, it would be quite expensive to send anyway
 213 fév 24 22:27:34 <Jurgentje>	how to package it is not that hard, I think
 214 fév 24 22:27:58 <Jurgentje>	but you'll have to take it in account for the price obviously
 215 fév 24 22:28:29 <warddr>	I think mugs are better to sell at dipro's and fosdem only
 216 fév 24 22:28:47 <woutervddn>	that's something we could test once we have them..
 217 fév 24 22:29:16 *	woutervddn changing computer..
 218 fév 24 22:29:20 <Jurgentje>	Jan: it's really clear that we can sell goodies on the Dipro events?
 219 fév 24 22:29:24 *	wouter_vddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 220 fév 24 22:29:46 <jean7491>	can we perhaps launch discussions in the mailing list about the ideas of goodies - what do we need and for which event - and online shop ? ....
 221 fév 24 22:29:51 <warddr>	But what do you think about hte price, €5,85 if we don't print the printed by significs.nl , and €5 with?
 222 fév 24 22:30:17 <Jurgentje>	I'd go for the higher price
 223 fév 24 22:30:23 *	woutervddn est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 224 fév 24 22:30:24 <jean7491>	but if we start such things, we have to be cautious about legislation !
 225 fév 24 22:30:43 <Jurgentje>	yeps, VZW is pretty much a prerequisite, I think
 226 fév 24 22:31:52 <jean7491>	imho ideas about how? and implications? are more important than the prices !
 227 fév 24 22:33:05 <warddr>	with a VZW we have to do a book keeping (I don't know if that's the word in english), and that takes some time
 228 fév 24 22:33:37 <Jurgentje>	is a correct word. And we need to have a general assembly (physical meeting at least once a year)
 229 fév 24 22:33:58 <jean7491>	from the mailing list, we could get more ideas on this issue
 230 fév 24 22:34:15 <wouter_vddn>	back..
 231 fév 24 22:35:08 <wouter_vddn>	indeed.. With a bit of luck the ML answers on it..
 232 fév 24 22:35:38 <wouter_vddn>	I do remember someone telling on the ML that he has been a bookkeeper before he retired.. maybe he can help..
 233 fév 24 22:36:37 <Jurgentje>	and basically it doesn't HAVE to be a big hassle... I mean if you call the "general assembly" the morning of FOSDEM (or some big Dipro event)
 234 fév 24 22:36:59 <Jurgentje>	you basically need (I think) 50% of the members present
 235 fév 24 22:37:32 <wouter_vddn>	I do think this is an idea that is worth investigating..
 236 fév 24 22:38:40 <jean7491>	first question to the mailing list is about the interest for goodies and sale objects in events ?
 237 fév 24 22:38:50 <Jurgentje>	JanC, maybe this is a stupid question: you're the spokesman for Ubuntu-be... is this also a volunteer job? Or is this actually (partially) your job?
 238 fév 24 22:40:04 <JanC>	Jurgentje: all locoteams are run by volunteers
 239 fév 24 22:40:47 <Jurgentje>	okay. so that means that you also don't have "dedicated time" for Ubuntu.
 240 fév 24 22:41:05 <Jurgentje>	but are putting tons of your own time into it. :)
 241 fév 24 22:41:32 <wouter_vddn>	aren't we all :p
 242 fév 24 22:41:42 <Jurgentje>	yeps.
 243 fév 24 22:41:57 <Jurgentje>	but it would make a difference if you start a VZW
 244 fév 24 22:42:07 <Jurgentje>	because you then have a "contractual" contact
 245 fév 24 22:42:17 <jean7491>	i think nobody in ubuntu-be has "dedicated time", we are just enthousiasts and volunteers ...
 246 fév 24 22:42:25 <Jurgentje>	:)
 247 fév 24 22:42:32 <wouter_vddn>	jurgen: you can still use volunteers..
 248 fév 24 22:42:41 <jean7491>	but i think a vzw can be run by volunteers
 249 fév 24 22:42:52 *	pep_ est parti (Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish)
 250 fév 24 22:43:01 <Jurgentje>	yep, but I didn't know for sure. And volunteers are great too off course (I'm member of a hackerspace ... all volunteers there too)
 251 fév 24 22:43:06 <Jurgentje>	so that's no problem
 252 fév 24 22:43:22 <Jurgentje>	was just a side question.
 253 fév 24 22:43:44 <jean7491>	i propose we continue on this issue next meeting, ...
 254 fév 24 22:43:47 <clamam>	but for a vzw we need a chairman, penningmeester,.......
 255 fév 24 22:43:56 <warddr>	my badminton club is also a VZW, the trainers are paid, but that's all paid jobs there are.
 256 fév 24 22:44:25 <warddr>	so paid people isn't nessesart
 257 fév 24 22:44:52 <wouter_vddn>	I agree with jean, I guess it would be nice to have a wiki where all the needs and consequences are gathered..
 258 fév 24 22:45:05 <wouter_vddn>	than we can talk about it.. (imo)
 259 fév 24 22:45:07 *	AlanBell est parti (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 260 fév 24 22:45:17 <warddr>	Isn't ubuntu-nl trying to do the same thing?
 261 fév 24 22:45:41 <jean7491>	afaik yes, 
 262 fév 24 22:45:48 <Jurgentje>	ward: are they also trying to continu on this issue the next meeting?
 263 fév 24 22:45:56 <Jurgentje>	;)
 264 fév 24 22:46:17 <jean7491>	ubuntu-fr is a kind of vzw
 265 fév 24 22:46:30 *	AlanBell (~alan@ubuntu/member/alanbell) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 266 fév 24 22:46:38 <wouter_vddn>	jurgen.. I'd love to keep talking about it but I think none of us wants a meeting until 2 O clock :p
 267 fév 24 22:46:51 <Jurgentje>	so probably there's some know how. Anyone who want to inform at ubuntu-fr and ubuntu-nl on their status on this item?
 268 fév 24 22:46:59 <Jurgentje>	yep, indeed. Time to move on
 269 fév 24 22:47:02 <wouter_vddn>	jean: are there fr logs about how they pulled it off?
 270 fév 24 22:47:29 <Jurgentje>	but I think it's important that someone actually gets in touch with these 2
 271 fév 24 22:47:45 <Jurgentje>	nobody knows them?
 272 fév 24 22:48:09 <Jurgentje>	whatever, next point... maybe just put these ideas on the wiki, and someone can put its name next to it
 273 fév 24 22:48:14 <jean7491>	noy really, but i can find references, i'll send you ...
 274 fév 24 22:48:26 <jean7491>	i propose to open a wiki page on this issue and to continue discussion about vzw is for another meeting
 275 fév 24 22:48:33 <Jurgentje>	+1
 276 fév 24 22:49:08 <wouter_vddn>	ok
 277 fév 24 22:49:15 <jean7491>	and we continue now with topic # 3. update wiki and  web-site
 278 fév 24 22:49:24 <jean7491>	wiki:   update/proposition? 
 279 fév 24 22:50:18 *	djim-fey (53866179@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.134.97.121) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 280 fév 24 22:50:55 <warddr>	hello djim-fey !
 281 fév 24 22:51:17 <djim-fey>	i know im late :p
 282 fév 24 22:51:23 <wouter_vddn>	lol.. o/
 283 fév 24 22:51:42 <wouter_vddn>	now not really.. I'm going to do this once my website project is completed..
 284 fév 24 22:51:51 <jean7491>	hi djim-fey
 285 fév 24 22:51:54 <wouter_vddn>	I've got tight deadlines on that..
 286 fév 24 22:52:01 <wouter_vddn>	but next week I'll update..
 287 fév 24 22:52:07 <jean7491>	ok
 288 fév 24 22:52:18 <Jurgentje>	How about we stick a date to that "Massive Organized WIki Update" ?
 289 fév 24 22:52:38 <Jurgentje>	and for 6 hours or so... we try mobilizing people?
 290 fév 24 22:53:18 <wouter_vddn>	That's what we're trying :p
 291 fév 24 22:53:25 <wouter_vddn>	but we need a plan for that first :p
 292 fév 24 22:54:46 <Jurgentje>	Phase 1: wiki page inventorising all the "to be changed" pages (people on mailinglist can access this, and add pages)
 293 fév 24 22:54:57 <Jurgentje>	Phase 2: date for "cleanup" is sent
 294 fév 24 22:55:20 <wouter_vddn>	Feel free to help on that if you like..
 295 fév 24 22:55:27 <Jurgentje>	Phase 3: on day of cleanup - change "marker" next to page from: TODO -> BUSY -> DONE
 296 fév 24 22:55:53 <Jurgentje>	biggest job is getting the pages indexed, I guess... Is there a wiki "sitemap" tool?
 297 fév 24 22:56:31 <wouter_vddn>	yes..
 298 fév 24 22:56:42 <clamam>	i must go now, good night to all of you.
 299 fév 24 22:56:43 <wouter_vddn>	we allready have excluded over 50% of the pages
 300 fév 24 22:56:51 <wouter_vddn>	gn o/
 301 fév 24 22:56:53 <jean7491>	bye clamam
 302 fév 24 22:57:00 <wouter_vddn>	that's why we're making that legacy page..
 303 fév 24 22:57:02 *	clamam (~claudio@d51A51DEE.access.telenet.be) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 304 fév 24 22:57:12 <wouter_vddn>	all the pages not included should be taken a look at.
 305 fév 24 22:57:14 <Jurgentje>	aaah, so the biggest part in preparation is already done :)
 306 fév 24 22:57:23 <wouter_vddn>	indeed..
 307 fév 24 22:58:22 <Jurgentje>	where's that page?
 308 fév 24 22:58:49 <wouter_vddn>	the legacy one or the index?
 309 fév 24 22:58:53 <Jurgentje>	the index
 310 fév 24 22:59:10 <wouter_vddn>	this has all the pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Index
 311 fév 24 22:59:32 <wouter_vddn>	and these are the pages that should be excluded: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Legacy
 312 fév 24 23:00:31 <wouter_vddn>	there is an overview of what we did on there as wel
 313 fév 24 23:00:33 <wouter_vddn>	*well
 314 fév 24 23:00:49 <wouter_vddn>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/2011/FebruaryWikiCleanup
 315 fév 24 23:02:01 <Jurgentje>	okay... so I missed a part. didn't know so much was done already
 316 fév 24 23:02:15 <jean7491>	wouter, do you plan another meeting on the wiki update ? perhaps jurgen can help ?
 317 fév 24 23:02:23 <Jurgentje>	I will
 318 fév 24 23:02:33 <Jurgentje>	I know I have a big mouth (sorry)
 319 fév 24 23:02:38 <wouter_vddn>	that would be a good idea..
 320 fév 24 23:02:46 <wouter_vddn>	hmm.. lets see..
 321 fév 24 23:03:29 <wouter_vddn>	how about Wednesday evening?
 322 fév 24 23:03:46 <wouter_vddn>	(although the legacy page should be finished by then.. *-)
 323 fév 24 23:03:54 <Jurgentje>	March 2 I'm not free... March 9?
 324 fév 24 23:04:42 <wouter_vddn>	sounds okay.. :)
 325 fév 24 23:04:54 <wouter_vddn>	I'll send an email to the ML about it..
 326 fév 24 23:04:55 <Jurgentje>	what time?
 327 fév 24 23:05:08 <wouter_vddn>	20? or 21?
 328 fév 24 23:05:09 <Jurgentje>	starting at 4PM?
 329 fév 24 23:05:13 <wouter_vddn>	lol :p
 330 fév 24 23:05:21 <wouter_vddn>	sec I'll check until when I've got school then :p
 331 fév 24 23:05:48 <wouter_vddn>	wait.. is that krokus?
 332 fév 24 23:05:52 <Jurgentje>	yes it is
 333 fév 24 23:06:01 <wouter_vddn>	ow lol then 4 is good for me..
 334 fév 24 23:06:09 <Jurgentje>	I think we can have lots of school teenagers to help out this was :)
 335 fév 24 23:06:31 <wouter_vddn>	R there so many school teenagers in U-be?
 336 fév 24 23:06:49 <wouter_vddn>	anyways, I'll put a message on the ML :)
 337 fév 24 23:06:53 <Jurgentje>	dunno... perhaps more lurkers than we would expect ;)
 338 fév 24 23:07:02 <wouter_vddn>	hopefully
 339 fév 24 23:07:26 <Jurgentje>	and if we keep on running until 20
 340 fév 24 23:07:34 <Jurgentje>	or we start at 1800 and go until 200
 341 fév 24 23:07:36 <Jurgentje>	2200
 342 fév 24 23:07:58 <Jurgentje>	4 to 10 PM... that's a 6 hour block
 343 fév 24 23:08:03 <wouter_vddn>	I'll ask around to see what others who help might prefer..
 344 fév 24 23:08:15 <wouter_vddn>	in 6 hours we might get most things done..
 345 fév 24 23:08:18 <Jurgentje>	maybe a doodle on the list?
 346 fév 24 23:08:24 <wouter_vddn>	good idea..
 347 fév 24 23:08:34 <wouter_vddn>	I'll make a note of that.
 348 fév 24 23:08:37 <warddr>	I have to work during krookus, but I'll try to help after that
 349 fév 24 23:08:46 <Jurgentje>	sure :)
 350 fév 24 23:09:02 <wouter_vddn>	ok..
 351 fév 24 23:09:20 <Jurgentje>	it's a statistical given that the most active members have the greatest odds to already be busy on any random given moment ;)
 352 fév 24 23:09:33 <Jurgentje>	wouter: you'll do the doodle?
 353 fév 24 23:09:38 <wouter_vddn>	yup
 354 fév 24 23:09:45 <jean7491>	thanks wouter, i'll try to summarize tomorrow, ...we continue about web-site: 2 points
 355 fév 24 23:09:56 <Jurgentje>	ok
 356 fév 24 23:10:00 <jean7491>	first point: in a previous meeting, we pointed out that we need a page promoting our actions/events. the aim is to show what we do, hoping that new volunteers will join. are there new proposals? Are there comment about this item?
 357 fév 24 23:11:00 <jean7491>	and Second point: I started to translate the support point manual in french, but we need a german translation – who can  translate to german ?
 358 fév 24 23:11:22 <Jurgentje>	hey... I gotta go... see you around
 359 fév 24 23:11:32 <wouter_vddn>	o/
 360 fév 24 23:11:35 <Jurgentje>	till Sunday for the Antwerp team :)
 361 fév 24 23:11:48 <jean7491>	bye
 362 fév 24 23:11:53 <warddr>	Are there any German speaking members of ubuntu-be?
 363 fév 24 23:11:58 <wouter_vddn>	I don't speak german.. but isn't there a dutch translation needed as well?
 364 fév 24 23:12:14 *	Jurgentje est parti (Quit: I'm off)
 365 fév 24 23:12:28 <jean7491>	you already wrote the manual in dutch !
 366 fév 24 23:12:53 <wouter_vddn>	*-) hmm..
 367 fév 24 23:12:56 <warddr>	:D
 368 fév 24 23:13:13 <wouter_vddn>	lol :p
 369 fév 24 23:13:41 <jean7491>	other comment about web-site ?
 370 fév 24 23:13:43 <wouter_vddn>	sorry..
 371 fév 24 23:14:51 <jean7491>	if no comment, next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ?
 372 fév 24 23:15:18 <jean7491>	are there questions not in the agenda ?
 373 fév 24 23:16:01 <wouter_vddn>	well i ve got 1
 374 fév 24 23:16:09 <jean7491>	yes ?
 375 fév 24 23:16:37 <wouter_vddn>	can I assume that if we figure things out with the merchandising and the consequences that there will be a U-be webshop?
 376 fév 24 23:17:45 <jean7491>	i've no answer ! ...
 377 fév 24 23:17:59 <wouter_vddn>	:p ok ..
 378 fév 24 23:18:03 <wouter_vddn>	I guess we'll see then..
 379 fév 24 23:19:46 <jean7491>	as example http://enventelibre.org/ = La boutique commune Ubuntu-fr / Framasoft
 380 fév 24 23:20:42 <wouter_vddn>	I love that example..
 381 fév 24 23:20:54 <wouter_vddn>	although the colors don't match the U colors :p
 382 fév 24 23:21:23 <jean7491>	i propose we seak about the possibility of a webshop later (with all (legal) implications)!
 383 fév 24 23:21:29 <wouter_vddn>	indeed..
 384 fév 24 23:21:34 <jean7491>	speak
 385 fév 24 23:21:44 <jean7491>	other question ?
 386 fév 24 23:21:50 <wouter_vddn>	not from me..
 387 fév 24 23:22:28 <jean7491>	if no other question, ... last topic, next irc meeting ? on thursday 03/03/2011 at 21 h.
 388 fév 24 23:22:44 <wouter_vddn>	should be fine for me ^^
 389 fév 24 23:23:33 *	trichard est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 390 fév 24 23:23:34 <jean7491>	end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !