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   1 mar 03 21:01:39 <jean7491>	hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 mar 03 21:01:47 <massimo21>	i
   3 mar 03 21:02:02 <woutervddn>	I am..
   4 mar 03 21:02:12 *	clamam (~claudio@d51A51DEE.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
   5 mar 03 21:02:36 <stefwal>	I'm curious
   6 mar 03 21:03:06 <jean7491>	hello massimo21 woutervddn stefwal
   7 mar 03 21:03:19 <massimo21>	clamam is here too
   8 mar 03 21:03:24 <woutervddn>	o/
   9 mar 03 21:03:34 <clamam>	hello
  10 mar 03 21:03:35 *	djim-fey (53866172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.134.97.114) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  11 mar 03 21:03:40 <jean7491>	JanC ? hello clamam
  12 mar 03 21:03:52 <woutervddn>	afaik gadeynebram is here also for the meeting..
  13 mar 03 21:04:05 <woutervddn>	stefwal, are you new?
  14 mar 03 21:04:19 <stefwal>	kind of
  15 mar 03 21:04:31 <stefwal>	never followed a meeting before
  16 mar 03 21:04:33 <gadeynebram>	Yes but I'm also busy so I'll be watching with one eye
  17 mar 03 21:04:59 <jean7491>	hello gadeynebram 
  18 mar 03 21:05:23 <jean7491>	djim-fey ? JanC ?
  19 mar 03 21:05:43 <djim-fey>	hi
  20 mar 03 21:06:03 <jean7491>	hello djim-fey
  21 mar 03 21:06:07 <woutervddn>	stefwal.. a special welcome to you then ;-)
  22 mar 03 21:06:11 <stefwal>	thx
  23 mar 03 21:07:00 <jean7491>	stefwal welcome, where are you from ?
  24 mar 03 21:07:06 <stefwal>	Veurne
  25 mar 03 21:07:09 <stefwal>	west vlaanderen
  26 mar 03 21:07:12 <jean7491>	ok
  27 mar 03 21:07:28 <jean7491>	JanC ?
  28 mar 03 21:08:48 *	woutervddn thinks JanC should have some sound notifications program installed...
  29 mar 03 21:08:48 <stefwal>	JanC seems to be following the course in classroom
  30 mar 03 21:09:00 <stefwal>	must be very interesting
  31 mar 03 21:09:08 *	woutervddn thinks janc doesn't need that when he's in class though
  32 mar 03 21:09:22 <jean7491>	ok, we start, JanC will perhaps join later 
  33 mar 03 21:09:48 <jean7491>	topic #1.  past and future events
  34 mar 03 21:09:57 <jean7491>	 item #1 hobby and computers days - antwerp 26-27/02/2011 - report
  35 mar 03 21:10:20 <jean7491>	i just heard it went good, but no detail
  36 mar 03 21:10:46 <jean7491>	djim-fey you were there ? what is your comment ?
  37 mar 03 21:12:01 <djim-fey>	not enough CD, too much poster
  38 mar 03 21:13:09 <jean7491>	do you know how many cd's were in stock in the beginning ? what about visitors ?
  39 mar 03 21:13:14 *	janb (4e14f611@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.20.246.17) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  40 mar 03 21:13:36 <janb>	howdy. anyone here?
  41 mar 03 21:13:37 <djim-fey>	penguin sticker also not enough
  42 mar 03 21:14:07 <jean7491>	did you sell t-shirts ?
  43 mar 03 21:14:20 <woutervddn>	janb, are you here for the meeting?
  44 mar 03 21:14:35 <djim-fey>	nobody bought it
  45 mar 03 21:14:45 <janb>	affirm. made a presentation on Wednesday and I'm ready to report
  46 mar 03 21:15:17 <jean7491>	ok, but wait, we first finish this item
  47 mar 03 21:15:50 <jean7491>	other comment about hobby and computers days in antwerp ?
  48 mar 03 21:17:23 <djim-fey>	i dont know exactly how much cds there were in the beginning; but im sure there were more than one box
  49 mar 03 21:17:53 <djim-fey>	after the first day they all gone
  50 mar 03 21:19:15 <jean7491>	ok about cd, many visitors and questions? enough volunteers?  @wouter, about t-shirts, i suggest you look for contact about the remaining items
  51 mar 03 21:19:47 <jean7491>	@wouter : contact with nero
  52 mar 03 21:20:00 <djim-fey>	no visitor seems intend to buy the t-shirt
  53 mar 03 21:20:40 <woutervddn>	ok
  54 mar 03 21:21:17 <woutervddn>	djim-fey, people at dipro weren't the main target. selling a few would have been  nice though
  55 mar 03 21:21:35 <jean7491>	djim-fey do you know if someone took pictures ?
  56 mar 03 21:22:31 <djim-fey>	yes i saw one of us took some but i dont know who was that
  57 mar 03 21:22:37 *	massimo21 est parti (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  58 mar 03 21:22:48 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.191.247) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  59 mar 03 21:23:25 <jean7491>	ok, other comment about this event ?
  60 mar 03 21:25:06 <djim-fey>	i think that was nero
  61 mar 03 21:25:19 <djim-fey>	he took the pics
  62 mar 03 21:26:23 <jean7491>	ok, we will wait for more details from nero,  thanks djim-fey for your work in antwerp !
  63 mar 03 21:26:39 <jean7491>	Item #2 presentation in aalter 
  64 mar 03 21:26:52 <jean7491>	jan will give us details ...
  65 mar 03 21:27:03 <janb>	howdy!
  66 mar 03 21:27:16 <janb>	I gave a presentation to high school students in Aalter
  67 mar 03 21:27:27 <janb>	11th grade and matric
  68 mar 03 21:27:51 <janb>	It has been on the cards for a while, but I wasn't ready earlier, and then we had to coordinate a date
  69 mar 03 21:28:03 <janb>	But it has happened, and it was good!
  70 mar 03 21:28:10 <jean7491>	nice
  71 mar 03 21:28:41 <woutervddn>	very nice indeed..
  72 mar 03 21:28:45 <janb>	I uploaded the latest presentation to the wiki. Once a new wiki page has been dedicated to this event, I will write a full report.
  73 mar 03 21:29:10 <jean7491>	ok, i will add a wiki page for your report and mail it to you
  74 mar 03 21:29:19 <janb>	One improvement I'll need for next presentation, is to advertise our group, and ubuntu support more
  75 mar 03 21:29:23 <woutervddn>	great! We should have more things like that..
  76 mar 03 21:30:01 <janb>	jean7491, if you could also mail me account details. I got 20 Euro for my effort (and a bottle of wine, but I'm afraid I can't deposit that)
  77 mar 03 21:30:33 <stefwal>	janb: let's meet in person
  78 mar 03 21:30:42 <jean7491>	ok, i'll mail you details
  79 mar 03 21:30:55 <janb>	I was a bit nervous about giving a presentation to young kids, but it went really well, and I'm hoping to do this more often.
  80 mar 03 21:31:30 <woutervddn>	lol @ stefwal :p
  81 mar 03 21:31:32 <jean7491>	very good!
  82 mar 03 21:31:48 <janb>	Aha! my first stalker! ;-)
  83 mar 03 21:32:23 <woutervddn>	yes.. I like that janb, an education team is something that would hugely benefit us..
  84 mar 03 21:32:43 <jean7491>	janb, we just have to find good contacts to multiply this kind of presentation
  85 mar 03 21:32:46 <woutervddn>	(if you would be so kind to write down tips and hints in the report) [whistle]
  86 mar 03 21:33:07 <janb>	I've always been toying with the idea, and I'm happy it's finally materialising
  87 mar 03 21:34:29 <woutervddn>	indeed..
  88 mar 03 21:35:04 <janb>	correct jean7491. I told the teacher to spread the word. He said he doesn't have many contacts outside the school, but if ever someone's asking...
  89 mar 03 21:35:31 <janb>	So that's only a passive advertisement
  90 mar 03 21:35:43 <janb>	I wonder if we can advertise this more actively.
  91 mar 03 21:35:55 <woutervddn>	I think active advertisement would get us further but we have to have a solid presentation then..
  92 mar 03 21:36:07 <janb>	I believe there was someone in education on our mailing list not so long ago?
  93 mar 03 21:36:09 <woutervddn>	(read as email schools or informatics teacher in person)
  94 mar 03 21:36:24 <woutervddn>	janb: true
  95 mar 03 21:37:23 <jean7491>	here the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Education/Aalter_2011-03-02
  96 mar 03 21:37:51 <janb>	Thanks. I'll write soonest and report on the mailing list
  97 mar 03 21:38:05 <clamam>	janb; where can i find your presentation? i can't find it @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs#Print%20Documents%20&%20Presentations
  98 mar 03 21:38:37 <woutervddn>	mathias campe is a teacher who's on our ML
  99 mar 03 21:38:51 <janb>	you can find both my presentations on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgainTeam/Education
 100 mar 03 21:39:13 <jean7491>	at the same time, you could ask the mailing list for tips how to advertise ?
 101 mar 03 21:39:33 <stefwal>	first tip: always try to get in contact with the head of the school
 102 mar 03 21:41:06 <woutervddn>	how did you do that?
 103 mar 03 21:41:52 <janb>	woutervddn, was that question for me?
 104 mar 03 21:42:00 <woutervddn>	uhu..
 105 mar 03 21:42:21 <woutervddn>	how did you get in touch with the head? did you know him, or did you just emailed him or what?
 106 mar 03 21:42:28 <janb>	we were approached by this teacher on the mailing list, I believe.
 107 mar 03 21:42:56 <janb>	he is 'just' the IT teacher. The head was not really involved, I think.
 108 mar 03 21:43:20 <stefwal>	janb: that's why he says, he doesn't have any contacts
 109 mar 03 21:45:51 <stefwal>	second tip: try to contact a local newspaper who's willing to publish a small text with a picture
 110 mar 03 21:46:02 <stefwal>	schools love public relations
 111 mar 03 21:46:12 <woutervddn>	xD lol
 112 mar 03 21:46:44 <jean7491>	other comment? hoping for more info about other opportunities from the mailing list !
 113 mar 03 21:48:05 <jean7491>	next ... item #3 digital week 2011, (28/02-04/03/2011)  
 114 mar 03 21:48:31 <jean7491>	oday 03/03/2011 in the public library – Ostend - 2 presentations ..
 115 mar 03 21:48:33 *	gadeynebram (~gadeynebr@83.101.71.95) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 116 mar 03 21:49:34 <jean7491>	approx 25 people well interested and contacts for more activities in the public library in ostend
 117 mar 03 21:50:42 <jean7491>	next event digital week is in schoten, see http://digitaleweek.be/activiteiten-2011/vrije-software-dag
 118 mar 03 21:51:16 <jean7491>	next Item #4 dipro fair brugge – 13/03/2011
 119 mar 03 21:52:08 <jean7491>	only 3 volunteers in the wiki, we hope other volunteers will appear !
 120 mar 03 21:52:14 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Brugge_2011-03-13
 121 mar 03 21:52:38 <jean7491>	item #5 dipro charleroi – 20/03/2011
 122 mar 03 21:52:51 <jean7491>	adrien and sylvain are in contact to collaborate with local lug's
 123 mar 03 21:54:18 <jean7491>	we have to coordinate with sylvain for t-shirts and cd's: the remaining 20 t-shirts by nero could be sent to charleroi 
 124 mar 03 21:54:33 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Charleroi_2011-03-20
 125 mar 03 21:54:52 <jean7491>	i'll care for cd's with JanC
 126 mar 03 21:56:52 <jean7491>	wouter : do you have details about the 20 t-shirts ?
 127 mar 03 21:57:11 <woutervddn>	not atm..
 128 mar 03 21:57:20 <woutervddn>	but i'll ask nero..
 129 mar 03 21:57:28 <jean7491>	ok
 130 mar 03 21:57:32 <woutervddn>	afaik they are all shipped him?
 131 mar 03 21:58:11 <jean7491>	afaik nero has the remainig items (20)
 132 mar 03 21:58:33 <woutervddn>	ok..
 133 mar 03 21:58:34 <jean7491>	20 remaining t-shirts
 134 mar 03 21:58:50 <jean7491>	other comment about events ?
 135 mar 03 21:59:52 <massimo21>	nope
 136 mar 03 22:00:06 <jean7491>	next topic # 2. Promotion
 137 mar 03 22:00:20 <jean7491>	 item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be : update?
 138 mar 03 22:00:34 <woutervddn>	I'm still waiting on mark..
 139 mar 03 22:00:55 <woutervddn>	Although I'm wondering if we couln't just order..
 140 mar 03 22:01:23 <woutervddn>	janC transfered the money, mark just hasn't been home for some days..
 141 mar 03 22:01:35 <woutervddn>	(so he couldn't check it..)
 142 mar 03 22:02:10 <woutervddn>	I'd like to get ship asap.. those who preordered are waiting for quiet a while now..
 143 mar 03 22:02:28 <jean7491>	i think we can not order without contact with mark !
 144 mar 03 22:03:39 <woutervddn>	I have contacted him.. but he hasn't been able to check..
 145 mar 03 22:03:53 <woutervddn>	I guess we should wait for him.. (but I don't like waiting :p)
 146 mar 03 22:04:13 <jean7491>	wouter, see pm
 147 mar 03 22:05:20 <woutervddn>	I really hope he confirms this week..
 148 mar 03 22:05:32 <jean7491>	ok i understand !
 149 mar 03 22:05:43 <woutervddn>	that way I can order and we'll have the shirts in little over a week..
 150 mar 03 22:06:54 <jean7491>	other comment about t-shirts ?
 151 mar 03 22:07:00 <woutervddn>	not really..
 152 mar 03 22:07:03 *	woutervddn changing computer
 153 mar 03 22:07:17 <jean7491>	Item #2 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011 
 154 mar 03 22:08:32 <jean7491>	apparently no new input in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsFlyers2011
 155 mar 03 22:09:58 *	wouter_vddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 156 mar 03 22:10:09 *	woutervddn est parti (Quit: Leaving)
 157 mar 03 22:11:37 <jean7491>	if no improvement, we will see for next step (order)
 158 mar 03 22:12:00 <jean7491>	but we have enough time
 159 mar 03 22:12:02 <massimo21>	wich one?
 160 mar 03 22:12:30 <jean7491>	we will have to decide !
 161 mar 03 22:12:52 <jean7491>	... but not urgent
 162 mar 03 22:12:53 <massimo21>	but ass you allready told we hav time
 163 mar 03 22:12:54 <wouter_vddn>	I suggest to wait until after the vacation to decide..
 164 mar 03 22:13:05 <jean7491>	ok
 165 mar 03 22:13:09 <wouter_vddn>	(I hope to do tons of work in that period.. :p)
 166 mar 03 22:13:21 <jean7491>	nice !
 167 mar 03 22:14:09 <jean7491>	Item #3 promotion material for fairs/events - rollups 2011 
 168 mar 03 22:14:16 <jean7491>	same remark !
 169 mar 03 22:14:28 <stefwal>	what are rollups?
 170 mar 03 22:14:32 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsRollup2011
 171 mar 03 22:14:44 <wouter_vddn>	stefwal: rollups are vertical banners..
 172 mar 03 22:14:52 <stefwal>	ok thx
 173 mar 03 22:15:00 <jean7491>	see the link
 174 mar 03 22:15:53 <jean7491>	Item #4  promotion material for fairs/events - other goodies (mugs, bags, pens, ...
 175 mar 03 22:16:11 <clamam>	will there be a poll to decide wich rollup to choose?
 176 mar 03 22:16:27 <jean7491>	why not ?
 177 mar 03 22:17:48 <jean7491>	as for the flyers, we can wait till end of march
 178 mar 03 22:17:55 <jean7491>	2011!
 179 mar 03 22:18:32 <wouter_vddn>	seems like a fair amount of time :)
 180 mar 03 22:19:38 <jean7491>	you have another suggestion ?
 181 mar 03 22:20:52 <wouter_vddn>	no, it's perfect that way.. leaves me a bit of time to keep postponing stuff :p
 182 mar 03 22:21:08 <stefwal>	for the hollidays
 183 mar 03 22:22:03 <jean7491>	wich holidays ? "krokus" "pasen" or july-august ?
 184 mar 03 22:22:26 <stefwal>	lol  (22:13:06) wouter_vddn: (I hope to do tons of work in that period.. :p)
 185 mar 03 22:23:02 <jean7491>	lol, ...
 186 mar 03 22:23:16 <wouter_vddn>	indeed..
 187 mar 03 22:23:58 <jean7491>	about item #4 goodies, warddr is not here, and we should discuss the item ...
 188 mar 03 22:24:55 <jean7491>	as i 've difficulty with assuming every volunteer to events/dipro fairs will be happy to sell more goodies
 189 mar 03 22:25:11 <wouter_vddn>	indeed.. I agree with that..
 190 mar 03 22:25:40 <jean7491>	... selling more and explaining ubuntu is free of charge
 191 mar 03 22:26:29 <jean7491>	imho we should first see what happens with the t-shirts
 192 mar 03 22:26:40 <wouter_vddn>	that's a good idea without a doubt..
 193 mar 03 22:26:55 <clamam>	i agree with jean
 194 mar 03 22:27:15 <wouter_vddn>	Although I like the fact of having merchandise, I also agree that we shouldn't jump in to this without preparation..
 195 mar 03 22:27:55 <wouter_vddn>	And with preparation I mean also mapping the legal concequences of selling merchandise..
 196 mar 03 22:28:24 <stefwal>	I'd be thinking about the financial issue in first instance.
 197 mar 03 22:28:42 <stefwal>	buying goodies is easy
 198 mar 03 22:28:45 <stefwal>	selling them...
 199 mar 03 22:30:30 <jean7491>	yes wouter and stefwal , we have to think about all implications ! but not today......we continue with topic # 3. update wiki and  web-site
 200 mar 03 22:30:44 <jean7491>	wiki:   update/proposition? 
 201 mar 03 22:31:15 <jean7491>	nothing from me
 202 mar 03 22:31:50 <wouter_vddn>	I've started on writing down what should be changed to the pages that aren't included in legacy (but aren't up  to date either..)
 203 mar 03 22:31:50 <stefwal>	jean: I don't want to be annoying but what 's the wiki about in a nutshell
 204 mar 03 22:32:20 <wouter_vddn>	It's on the other pc though so I don't have it with me.. Basically I'll be using it as a lead next week (Wednesday)
 205 mar 03 22:32:36 <wouter_vddn>	for those interested in updating.. we'll be starting at 16h
 206 mar 03 22:33:00 <jean7491>	@ stefwal  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam
 207 mar 03 22:33:02 <wouter_vddn>	stefwal: it's a place where everybody can add info (like wikipedia) but then only for Ubuntu related stuff..
 208 mar 03 22:34:02 <stefwal>	jean and wouter: I am aware of what's on those pages but is there a possibility to add stuff that's not yet in the pages.
 209 mar 03 22:34:27 <stefwal>	for instance: I'm studying pythong for the moment, if I translate it into dutch, would that be interesting?
 210 mar 03 22:34:40 <stefwal>	python not pythong
 211 mar 03 22:36:00 <jean7491>	afaik the wiki is about coordinating activities and documentation of the belgian team ...
 212 mar 03 22:36:02 <wouter_vddn>	well, it is relevant to A wiki.. but the ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam wiki is only about the work of the belgian ubuntu team..
 213 mar 03 22:36:35 <stefwal>	wouter: that's what I'm aiming at
 214 mar 03 22:36:52 <stefwal>	It seems ubuntu be is specifically for promotion
 215 mar 03 22:36:52 <wouter_vddn>	how do you mean stefwal?
 216 mar 03 22:37:58 <wouter_vddn>	well, in my eyes the primary goal of ubuntu-be is to spread the word and the message that Ubuntu is carrying out.. So you could call that promotion..
 217 mar 03 22:38:18 <stefwal>	yes, that's what I mean. you go around and spread the word
 218 mar 03 22:38:46 <wouter_vddn>	python and stuff would be more valid on our wiki once we've got an education team up and running..
 219 mar 03 22:39:01 <stefwal>	wouter: that's a good argument
 220 mar 03 22:39:14 <wouter_vddn>	but ATM I think python content would be kind of out of place on our wiki..
 221 mar 03 22:39:44 <stefwal>	that's my question: does it interfere with your path
 222 mar 03 22:40:04 <stefwal>	depends on the goal you guys set
 223 mar 03 22:40:29 <wouter_vddn>	btw: stefwal, I just found you on the edubuntu pages.. are you active there?
 224 mar 03 22:41:13 <stefwal>	I'm active in bug tracking. I'm planning to get active in edubuntu (not in the first months)
 225 mar 03 22:42:05 <wouter_vddn>	well I think that if we are seriously setting track towards a vzw or such our goals should be reviewed..
 226 mar 03 22:42:07 <stefwal>	as I have more time to study now I want to set my priorities to programming and debugging
 227 mar 03 22:42:41 <massimo21>	have ti go
 228 mar 03 22:42:45 <massimo21>	good night
 229 mar 03 22:42:49 <stefwal>	massimo cya
 230 mar 03 22:42:52 <wouter_vddn>	jean7491: how do you feel about education and programming stuff? is it part of U-be?
 231 mar 03 22:42:58 <clamam>	 ciao massimo21
 232 mar 03 22:42:59 <wouter_vddn>	o/ good night massimo
 233 mar 03 22:43:03 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.191.247) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 234 mar 03 22:44:32 <jean7491>	i don't see the link between programming stuf and education as i understand: imho we speak about ubuntu and education as a way to promote ubuntu ...
 235 mar 03 22:45:11 <jean7491>	programming stuff is not related to this activity (imho)
 236 mar 03 22:45:25 <wouter_vddn>	ok..
 237 mar 03 22:45:31 <stefwal>	jean: that's the way I feel it too, at this instance
 238 mar 03 22:46:02 <stefwal>	anyhow, now I have my answer
 239 mar 03 22:46:05 <jean7491>	and the wiki belgian team is more about activities and coordination
 240 mar 03 22:46:38 <wouter_vddn>	I think it's a small edge though.. as ubuntu is generally written by the community.. also it covers A feature of it..
 241 mar 03 22:46:51 <wouter_vddn>	but it's certainly not a real goal..
 242 mar 03 22:47:22 <stefwal>	wouter: also, education of programming is no longer "spreading the word" it goes much deeper into the system
 243 mar 03 22:47:37 <jean7491>	perhaps in the ubuntu wiki, but not in the belgian team wiki
 244 mar 03 22:47:44 <wouter_vddn>	indeed..
 245 mar 03 22:48:14 <jean7491>	we continue with the website ...
 246 mar 03 22:48:57 <jean7491>	afaik the translation o the support point manual is done in french and a german translator appears
 247 mar 03 22:49:35 <stefwal>	I'm off, cya guys
 248 mar 03 22:49:46 <wouter_vddn>	good night o/
 249 mar 03 22:49:54 <jean7491>	about bug 718482  ... bye stefwal
 250 mar 03 22:49:58 *	stefwal est parti (Quit: Leaving.)
 251 mar 03 22:51:18 <wouter_vddn>	glad thats 1 bug less :p
 252 mar 03 22:51:32 <jean7491>	not yet done !
 253 mar 03 22:51:52 <wouter_vddn>	true..
 254 mar 03 22:52:14 <wouter_vddn>	but at least we found someone who speaks german :)
 255 mar 03 22:53:05 <jean7491>	yes, 2d point about promoting our activities in a page on the web-site, any new idea ?
 256 mar 03 22:53:48 <wouter_vddn>	well since we have the agenda I suppose it would be a logical thing to point to those pages from there..
 257 mar 03 22:55:15 <jean7491>	it was about that we need a page promoting our actions/events. the aim is to show what we do, hoping that new volunteers will join.
 258 mar 03 22:55:47 <jean7491>	but i've no idea how to reach the aim ?
 259 mar 03 22:56:31 <wouter_vddn>	ow that page..
 260 mar 03 22:56:38 <janb>	i think the amount of volunteers is directly proportional to the amount of users. Does anyone have an idea how many users we have in Belgium?
 261 mar 03 22:57:03 <wouter_vddn>	I don't think anybody has a number of that..
 262 mar 03 22:57:24 <jean7491>	no idea, and i doubt about the proportionnality !
 263 mar 03 22:57:37 <janb>	Ubuntu claims to have 8M users world wide. How do they quantify that?
 264 mar 03 22:58:22 <jean7491>	in fact, as ubuntu-users should be enthousiasts, we should have more volunteers, but in fact ...
 265 mar 03 22:58:27 <wouter_vddn>	janb: I guess the amount of downloads
 266 mar 03 22:59:08 <janb>	If they are just counting downloads, or maybe people that use updates, then they should know IP addresses, and thus demography?
 267 mar 03 22:59:10 <wouter_vddn>	jean7491: is there allready a bug for that?
 268 mar 03 22:59:30 <wouter_vddn>	janb: ask canonical..
 269 mar 03 22:59:41 <jean7491>	@ janb : for example, we have more volunteers in genk and hasselt than in gent ...
 270 mar 03 23:00:39 <jean7491>	why? likely motivation of a few volunteers who can look for activities and other volunteers
 271 mar 03 23:01:17 <janb>	true, you still have to promote and round up volunteers, biut the principle still exists. If there are no users, there will be no volunteers.
 272 mar 03 23:02:12 <jean7491>	@wouter , no bug for this page about promoting our activities
 273 mar 03 23:02:30 <jean7491>	@jan indeed! 
 274 mar 03 23:02:30 <wouter_vddn>	without a doubt it are those involved atm that attract new people..
 275 mar 03 23:02:44 <janb>	In any case, during my next presentations I will certainly also mention the group and our site.
 276 mar 03 23:03:04 <wouter_vddn>	jean: we might want to create one for that..
 277 mar 03 23:03:11 <clamam>	the one thing we must do is to install ubuntu as much as possible on pc's of people we know and than ubuntu will do the rest
 278 mar 03 23:03:15 <wouter_vddn>	shall I do it, or you?
 279 mar 03 23:03:38 <jean7491>	@wouter , please do !
 280 mar 03 23:03:54 <wouter_vddn>	ok
 281 mar 03 23:03:56 <clamam>	the people where i have installed ubuntu are using it on a daily base and like it
 282 mar 03 23:05:10 <jean7491>	@clamam imho yes and we have to be present where possible to demonstrate ubuntu as an alternative
 283 mar 03 23:05:45 <wouter_vddn>	but regardless of atracting new volunteers we need to find a way to keep them..
 284 mar 03 23:06:00 <clamam>	Also in Hasselt there is a computerclub "the bitmappers" they have group of ubuntu users that come together once a month
 285 mar 03 23:06:22 <clamam>	i go to every meeting
 286 mar 03 23:06:39 <jean7491>	... it can be in fairs, schools, public libraries, computer-clubs, ...
 287 mar 03 23:06:43 <janb>	@ wouter_vddn: bread and games! ;-)
 288 mar 03 23:07:12 <wouter_vddn>	clamam: really? I didn't know, do you have a website?
 289 mar 03 23:07:33 <wouter_vddn>	janb: how in earth do we find a bread and games solution for this..
 290 mar 03 23:07:42 <wouter_vddn>	an irl meeting might be a start.. :p
 291 mar 03 23:07:46 <wouter_vddn>	but further?
 292 mar 03 23:08:20 <jean7491>	other comment about the website ? if not we continue ...
 293 mar 03 23:08:49 <jean7491>	... next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ?
 294 mar 03 23:08:53 <janb>	I was just kidding of course. But the best motivation is reward. Obviously we are not into financial reward, or even any other form of material reward.
 295 mar 03 23:09:22 <janb>	Satisfaction is some sort of reward....
 296 mar 03 23:09:41 <clamam>	http://www.bitmappers.be
 297 mar 03 23:10:47 <jean7491>	partly it is why i ask reports, then everyone can explain what he did and see what other people have done ...
 298 mar 03 23:11:34 <jean7491>	and the activities are mentionned in our monthly reports and widely published ...
 299 mar 03 23:12:17 <jean7491>	but don't ask how many people (outside belgian team) read our reports!
 300 mar 03 23:13:21 <jean7491>	about other questions not in the agenda ? any question ?
 301 mar 03 23:13:27 <wouter_vddn>	I think the reports are great in a number of ways. Not only are they a knowledge base for "do's and dont's" they also show people we are something that's alive and kicking..
 302 mar 03 23:13:47 <wouter_vddn>	I made the page.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium/+bug/728721
 303 mar 03 23:13:51 <wouter_vddn>	*the bug
 304 mar 03 23:14:00 <jean7491>	ok, thx
 305 mar 03 23:14:49 <jean7491>	idd reports are important as memory about what we did and as our own promotion + lessons learned 
 306 mar 03 23:15:23 <jean7491>	example: about faosdem ! ...
 307 mar 03 23:16:11 <wouter_vddn>	I think we should try to be at more places like fosdem..
 308 mar 03 23:16:32 <wouter_vddn>	or in general, on other places then only dipro's..
 309 mar 03 23:16:50 <jean7491>	i did not participate, but i hear it is a big event, also for the belgian team, but i never saw a report about it: someone coming in ubuntu-be could wonder why ?
 310 mar 03 23:17:28 <wouter_vddn>	well I guess the reason that there is no report because it's chaos :p
 311 mar 03 23:17:47 <jean7491>	no idea!
 312 mar 03 23:17:57 <wouter_vddn>	it can't be compared to dipro at all..
 313 mar 03 23:18:18 <janb>	I'd like to throw a 'drol in die drinkwater' here (South African expression)
 314 mar 03 23:18:20 <jean7491>	i just saw a nice video on fosdem site, no chaos !
 315 mar 03 23:18:34 <wouter_vddn>	you've got to picture 1000 people walking in a hallway that is as wide as 5 meters and 2 meters is taken by booths :p
 316 mar 03 23:18:52 <wouter_vddn>	well.. I mean chaos as in, so many people..
 317 mar 03 23:19:06 <janb>	I have noticed more often recently that there are other organisations also promoting and/or talking about ubuntu, but we don't seem to be part of it.
 318 mar 03 23:19:25 <janb>	What are we doing wrong, that those organisations do not participate to the LoCo team?
 319 mar 03 23:20:02 <wouter_vddn>	I don't know..
 320 mar 03 23:20:15 <jean7491>	what do you mean? about which one ?
 321 mar 03 23:21:07 <janb>	Well, I have found out about someone teaching Ubuntu in some community centre here. I am hoping to meet him so I can share some experiences....
 322 mar 03 23:21:30 <wouter_vddn>	in general, one of the things I think of is people coming to our site and the first thing they see is something static.. having something like a blog or so might take it to a more dynamic level..
 323 mar 03 23:22:04 <janb>	Then I also had this request from another organisation to give a presentation, and they thought I wasn't experienced or professional enough to give the presentation, but they did find someone else more experienced and more professional, and they actually gave me the program.
 324 mar 03 23:22:05 <wouter_vddn>	Once we've figured how I can get full webeditor rights on the site (it's a bug) I'll probably start a blog on it that covers what we do and such..
 325 mar 03 23:22:18 <janb>	It's happening in April, and again i hope to attend to find out
 326 mar 03 23:22:51 <janb>	Then I now hear about these bitmappers, who don't seem to be involved with our team?
 327 mar 03 23:23:13 <wouter_vddn>	jean7491: I think a vzw would benefit the way people look at us..
 328 mar 03 23:23:29 <wouter_vddn>	in terms of reliability
 329 mar 03 23:23:31 <clamam>	answer for : (23:19:20) janb: What are we doing wrong, that those organisations do not participate to the LoCo team?
 330 mar 03 23:23:55 <clamam>	what can we give to other teams or organisations
 331 mar 03 23:24:05 <clamam>	we are a official locoteam
 332 mar 03 23:24:11 <jean7491>	although one bitmapper (leader?) is member of the loco team and sometimes read the mailing list
 333 mar 03 23:24:41 <wouter_vddn>	clamam: what do we give atm, and what should we give?
 334 mar 03 23:25:03 <clamam>	we as a locoteam have little to offer to a organisation that wants to promote ubuntu
 335 mar 03 23:25:37 <jean7491>	we are open to bitmappers and to promote their activities, like we did with monitor in niet
 336 mar 03 23:25:41 <clamam>	i think that they should come to us for official promo material like cd's, posters,...
 337 mar 03 23:26:20 <wouter_vddn>	clamam: maybe we should advertise that more?
 338 mar 03 23:26:36 <clamam>	maybe?
 339 mar 03 23:26:36 <jean7491>	we had once a request from bitmappers and sent posters , ...
 340 mar 03 23:27:03 <janb>	Jean7491, i agree we welcome them, but either they don't know about us, or, worse still, they're not intereseted in us?
 341 mar 03 23:27:54 <jean7491>	flyers: if available, yes, cd's ? we only have 250 cd's for all 6 months activities, not enough
 342 mar 03 23:28:05 <janb>	I am speculating for now, but I definitely would like to ask them if I meet any other person promoting ubuntu, in whatever way, and is not partaking in our team.
 343 mar 03 23:29:18 <jean7491>	@ janb : no idea about why less cooperation ...
 344 mar 03 23:30:10 <janb>	It might be a question we want to ask ourselves, if we would like to attract more volunteers.
 345 mar 03 23:30:53 <jean7491>	@janb : imho, we are open to everyone willing to promote ubuntu and can support with our possibilities ...
 346 mar 03 23:32:03 <clamam>	i will ask @ the next meeting if some members want to help @ fairs or promotion for ubuntu-be
 347 mar 03 23:32:57 <janb>	jean7491, I am not disputing that or doubting that, but there seems to be missing some attraction to those who are not joining us, if we are struggling to find volunteers.
 348 mar 03 23:34:12 <jean7491>	@ janb but as we have no organisation, we have difficulties to elaborate more active actions towards other users ...
 349 mar 03 23:34:40 <jean7491>	or to decide what we should do
 350 mar 03 23:35:13 <janb>	Maybe indeed that is part of the problem. We may not seem very organised to the outside world.
 351 mar 03 23:35:25 <jean7491>	idd
 352 mar 03 23:35:31 <janb>	Would it be viable to organise ourselves in a vzw?
 353 mar 03 23:35:46 <wouter_vddn>	a vzw is A step..
 354 mar 03 23:35:49 <clamam>	like i see it, what can ubuntu-be give me or what can a other organisation give me. i do both of them and i help where i can.
 355 mar 03 23:35:59 <wouter_vddn>	but there are a dozen steps we should or should not make..
 356 mar 03 23:36:26 <clamam>	for know i get enough satisfaction to be members of both
 357 mar 03 23:37:48 <jean7491>	if, at least, we start a discussion about organization (v.z.w. is a future step), i would be very happy ...
 358 mar 03 23:38:20 <janb>	ciamam, that is true for everyone that is already part of our team, I suppose, but that is not my point. We are talking about the people that are NOT part of our team, but yet have a lot to contribute.
 359 mar 03 23:38:44 <wouter_vddn>	jean: I'd love to have a solid organization.
 360 mar 03 23:39:15 <wouter_vddn>	if we'd have a team of people who set the direction of Ubuntu-be we can make structured and clear goals
 361 mar 03 23:39:45 <jean7491>	idd
 362 mar 03 23:39:52 <wouter_vddn>	it's hard to manage a lot of people, doing so over the internet only makes it harder..
 363 mar 03 23:40:13 <clamam>	janb: we have to offer more than just a place in a booth on a fair
 364 mar 03 23:40:25 <wouter_vddn>	in order to achieve an optimised way of communicating and handling things structurizing things is a great opportunity..
 365 mar 03 23:40:46 <clamam>	i think with a vzw we can do irl meetings
 366 mar 03 23:41:05 <janb>	If we have a proper structure laid down in an organisational structure and published as such, I think it would be much easier to attract people.
 367 mar 03 23:41:39 <clamam>	janb: that's what i mean
 368 mar 03 23:42:05 <jean7491>	imho we should first look for an organization , and later to formalize it in a nonprofit association ...
 369 mar 03 23:42:08 <wouter_vddn>	having an IRL meeting to discuss this :p
 370 mar 03 23:42:22 <janb>	But the first thing would be to attract a ubuntu volunteer that is a bookkeeper! ;-) We'd need one to set up the whole thing and get it going. I could ask mine but he is f$%^ expensive
 371 mar 03 23:42:51 <janb>	jean7491 I think the one can't come without the other.
 372 mar 03 23:43:33 <wouter_vddn>	about the IRL meeting we've been talking about, do you guys consider it possible to do 1 meeting for ALL members?
 373 mar 03 23:43:44 <wouter_vddn>	or are regional meetings a better thing to do?
 374 mar 03 23:44:13 <clamam>	we really should organize a irl meeting, maybe one in brussels or antwerp
 375 mar 03 23:44:16 <jean7491>	but we need to start with organization, ... nonprofit association statute will not help to organize the team
 376 mar 03 23:45:02 <jean7491>	about irl meeting, good idea, ... but ...
 377 mar 03 23:45:37 <wouter_vddn>	but?
 378 mar 03 23:45:41 <janb>	You might be right there, jean7491. How shall we do that? This might need some brainstorming.
 379 mar 03 23:46:03 <jean7491>	it needs a good preparation about the topic: it has to be prepared with brainstorming, ...
 380 mar 03 23:46:21 <clamam>	why not launch a call to volunteers that want to be part of this "organisation"
 381 mar 03 23:46:31 <clamam>	create a team on this issue
 382 mar 03 23:46:42 <clamam>	and then set a irl meeting date
 383 mar 03 23:47:07 <jean7491>	... when we have a project, we can meet (open for everyone who wish join) irl...
 384 mar 03 23:47:58 <janb>	ciamam, that might be a good idea if it is presented well.
 385 mar 03 23:47:59 <wouter_vddn>	jean, what do you mean with "a project"?
 386 mar 03 23:48:48 <jean7491>	in 2009 i started with ideas about organization for the loco team, but with a limited answer !
 387 mar 03 23:49:13 <jean7491>	see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization
 388 mar 03 23:49:14 <clamam>	if the project is big enough we can set a lot of things like voting for a board and a chariman, "penningmeester",....
 389 mar 03 23:49:31 <janb>	But that was before I joined ;-)...
 390 mar 03 23:49:52 <wouter_vddn>	and I :p lol
 391 mar 03 23:51:16 <clamam>	but......we need a lot of members? not just 5 or 6 or 10
 392 mar 03 23:51:28 <janb>	OK, I quickly looked at the page. Maybe we should blow some new life into this.
 393 mar 03 23:51:43 <janb>	We might need to take this one step at a time.
 394 mar 03 23:51:54 <jean7491>	the first step could be to (re)launch ideas in the mailing list ...
 395 mar 03 23:52:03 <janb>	If we bombard the whole mailing list with the whole thing, it might be to much at once.
 396 mar 03 23:52:13 <wouter_vddn>	jean.. I suggest you make a meeting topic out of it..
 397 mar 03 23:52:20 <clamam>	we can do that
 398 mar 03 23:52:33 <janb>	Maybe we should first have a small team that start it, and then say "who wants to be penningmeester?"
 399 mar 03 23:52:38 <clamam>	we can look @ france or Holland as a example
 400 mar 03 23:53:10 <jean7491>	ok, i will put the topic on the agenda
 401 mar 03 23:53:16 <wouter_vddn>	ok..
 402 mar 03 23:53:17 <clamam>	ok
 403 mar 03 23:53:36 <janb>	great.
 404 mar 03 23:54:10 <jean7491>	ok, we stop for today !
 405 mar 03 23:54:16 <janb>	gotta go now. Time to doodoo.
 406 mar 03 23:54:17 <wouter_vddn>	:p good plan..
 407 mar 03 23:54:38 <jean7491>	if no question, ... last topic, next irc meeting ? on thursday 10/03/2011 at 21 h.
 408 mar 03 23:54:49 <clamam>	ok, good night
 409 mar 03 23:54:57 <jean7491>	end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !