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   1 mar 24 21:00:59 <jean7491>	hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 mar 24 21:01:32 <woutervddn>	I am..
   3 mar 24 21:01:53 <jimbauwens>	Me
   4 mar 24 21:02:19 <massimo21>	me
   5 mar 24 21:02:33 *	woutervddn hopes there are more :p
   6 mar 24 21:02:56 <jean7491>	hi woutervddn jimbauwens  massimo21 , ...
   7 mar 24 21:03:34 <jean7491>	JanC ?
   8 mar 24 21:03:53 <sylvaintechnic>	hello jean7491 , I have revise the inventory and i send you an email ;)
   9 mar 24 21:04:06 <jean7491>	ok
  10 mar 24 21:04:30 <jean7491>	and hi sylvaintechnic !
  11 mar 24 21:05:09 <JanC>	o/
  12 mar 24 21:05:40 <jean7491>	hi JanC
  13 mar 24 21:05:41 *	jurgentje (~jurgen@94-227-10-80.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  14 mar 24 21:06:14 <woutervddn>	jurgentje, I was wondering if you forgot :p
  15 mar 24 21:06:28 <jean7491>	hi Jurgentje
  16 mar 24 21:08:09 <jean7491>	i propose we start with topic #1.  past and future events
  17 mar 24 21:08:21 <jean7491>	  item #1 dipro fair charleroi – 20/03/2011
  18 mar 24 21:08:30 <jean7491>	report and pictures are available in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Charleroi_2011-03-20
  19 mar 24 21:08:46 <jean7491>	sylvaintechnic do you have comment ?
  20 mar 24 21:09:20 <jurgentje>	Hi
  21 mar 24 21:09:27 <jurgentje>	nah, I'm just a little late
  22 mar 24 21:09:32 <jean7491>	hi Jurgentje
  23 mar 24 21:09:37 <jurgentje>	hi jean
  24 mar 24 21:09:38 <sylvaintechnic>	yes, it was the last Dipro at Charleroi
  25 mar 24 21:10:31 <sylvaintechnic>	not enough seller
  26 mar 24 21:10:33 <sylvaintechnic>	not enough visitors
  27 mar 24 21:10:45 <woutervddn>	hmm.. that's a shame..
  28 mar 24 21:11:37 <JanC>	it's a problem in Flanders too...
  29 mar 24 21:12:04 <jean7491>	looking at the pictures, it is like brugge dipro, we received 4 tables to complete the hall, not enough booths 
  30 mar 24 21:12:34 <JanC>	right
  31 mar 24 21:12:51 <jean7491>	best solution is to look for alternatives, when possible
  32 mar 24 21:13:15 <sylvaintechnic>	Fortunately, we will make other booth
  33 mar 24 21:13:24 <jean7491>	 and i'm happy with the next in lln and rewics
  34 mar 24 21:13:48 <sylvaintechnic>	yes, 2 big events
  35 mar 24 21:14:44 <jean7491>	we can not be everywhere, but perhaps you will find other opportunities in brussels, namur or elsewhere !
  36 mar 24 21:15:22 <jean7491>	we continue with item #2 dipro fair mechelen – 27/03/2011
  37 mar 24 21:15:29 <jean7491>	only 3 volunteers appear in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Mechelen_2011-03-27
  38 mar 24 21:15:36 <jean7491>	additional volunteers are welcome !
  39 mar 24 21:15:50 <jean7491>	and perhaps nero has other contacts ?
  40 mar 24 21:16:53 <jean7491>	if no comment,  item #3  dipro fair genk – 03/04/2011
  41 mar 24 21:17:08 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Genk_2011-04-03 (coordination: claudio)
  42 mar 24 21:17:19 <jean7491>	afaik is ok
  43 mar 24 21:17:35 <massimo21>	just a few minor issues
  44 mar 24 21:17:52 <massimo21>	but will be ok
  45 mar 24 21:17:58 <sylvaintechnic>	if you are the Dipro during the holidays, I might be coming
  46 mar 24 21:18:05 <woutervddn>	massimo21, is there anything else I can do?
  47 mar 24 21:18:34 <massimo21>	no it's beacouse claudio will be leaving earlier
  48 mar 24 21:18:50 <massimo21>	all the stuff will not be easy to fit in my car
  49 mar 24 21:19:56 *	EmilyPlays (4e15350b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.21.53.11) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  50 mar 24 21:20:20 <woutervddn>	can't help with that I'm afraid :)
  51 mar 24 21:20:29 <EmilyPlays>	Leven in de brouwerij?
  52 mar 24 21:20:55 <massimo21>	my wife will come with the other car and maybe william can help too
  53 mar 24 21:20:55 <woutervddn>	emilyplays, ja wekelijkse U-be vergadering.. (wel in het engels..)
  54 mar 24 21:21:22 <woutervddn>	I can help with loading in :)
  55 mar 24 21:21:30 <massimo21>	off course
  56 mar 24 21:22:08 <EmilyPlays>	ow, no problem
  57 mar 24 21:22:17 <EmilyPlays>	Did i miss something?
  58 mar 24 21:22:51 <jean7491>	EmilyPlays : what is your location ?
  59 mar 24 21:23:01 <EmilyPlays>	Ghent
  60 mar 24 21:23:09 <EmilyPlays>	I'm new to the belgiu
  61 mar 24 21:23:25 <EmilyPlays>	*belgian loco team btw
  62 mar 24 21:23:33 <JanC>	aha, maybe we can use you next month then...  ;)
  63 mar 24 21:23:42 <woutervddn>	Welcome then!
  64 mar 24 21:23:54 <jean7491>	welcome, next event in ghent : 10/04/2011 Dipro fair Ghent https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Ghent_2011-04-10 (coordination -)
  65 mar 24 21:24:37 <EmilyPlays>	Thanks for letting me know :)
  66 mar 24 21:25:21 <jean7491>	EmilyPlays to have an idea about the Dipro computer fairs, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs and in the various locations
  67 mar 24 21:25:41 <EmilyPlays>	But i'm in Italy @ that moment :(
  68 mar 24 21:25:57 <massimo21>	lucky you
  69 mar 24 21:26:21 <EmilyPlays>	lol
  70 mar 24 21:26:40 <jean7491>	ok, next time, antwerp on  8/05/2011 ? we continue with item #4 other events
  71 mar 24 21:26:44 <JanC>	depends on what he has to do there...  ☺
  72 mar 24 21:27:00 <jean7491>	06/04/2011 The Foire du Libre – Louvain-la-Neuve https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/2011/FoireDuLibre-LLN-2011-04-06 (coordination: adrien)
  73 mar 24 21:27:03 <EmilyPlays>	Work, work and work
  74 mar 24 21:27:17 <jean7491>	as i said 10/04/2011 Dipro fair Ghent https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Ghent_2011-04-10 (coordination -)
  75 mar 24 21:27:39 <jean7491>	and 04/05/2011 rewics Rencontres Wallonnes de l'Internet Citoyen – Charleroi     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/2011/Rewics-2011-05-04  (coordination: adrien)
  76 mar 24 21:27:49 <JanC>	I guess Kenneth will coordinate in Ghent
  77 mar 24 21:27:57 <EmilyPlays>	btw
  78 mar 24 21:28:28 <EmilyPlays>	I wanna do something in the community besides translating and answering
  79 mar 24 21:28:29 <jean7491>	i already asked kenneth, no answer yet
  80 mar 24 21:28:52 <EmilyPlays>	Anyone with a lot of patience who wants to learn me the basics of packaging
  81 mar 24 21:28:59 <EmilyPlays>	and coding so i can fix bugs
  82 mar 24 21:30:05 <JanC>	EmilyPlays: can you ask about that after the IRC meeting?
  83 mar 24 21:30:33 <JanC>	(or at any other moment that fits you)
  84 mar 24 21:31:20 <JanC>	I'll point you at some info then  ☺
  85 mar 24 21:31:35 *	EmilyPlays_ (4e15350b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.21.53.11) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  86 mar 24 21:32:04 <JanC>	EmilyPlays_: did you see my answer?
  87 mar 24 21:32:10 <EmilyPlays_>	No
  88 mar 24 21:32:16 <JanC>	<JanC> EmilyPlays: can you ask about that after the IRC meeting?
  89 mar 24 21:32:17 <JanC>	<JanC> (or at any other moment that fits you)
  90 mar 24 21:32:17 <JanC>	<JanC> I'll point you at some info then  ☺
  91 mar 24 21:32:23 <EmilyPlays_>	firefox crashed because of OMgUbuntu
  92 mar 24 21:32:30 <JanC>	so let's go on with the meeting now  ☺
  93 mar 24 21:32:30 <EmilyPlays_>	thx
  94 mar 24 21:33:18 <jean7491>	if no comment about events ...
  95 mar 24 21:33:24 *	EmilyPlays est parti (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  96 mar 24 21:33:25 <jean7491>	next topic # 2. Promotion
  97 mar 24 21:33:38 <jean7491>	item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be : wouter ?
  98 mar 24 21:33:58 <woutervddn>	apart from the fact that they are 200% awesome..
  99 mar 24 21:34:23 <woutervddn>	I've packaged those who ordered 1 shirt yesterday and those are on the mail..
 100 mar 24 21:34:39 <woutervddn>	the other ones I'll do tomorrow because they don't fit the envelopes..
 101 mar 24 21:34:53 <woutervddn>	I'll also send an email to everyone tomorrow :)
 102 mar 24 21:35:36 <woutervddn>	and I am getting 4 or 5 messages from people who asked to buy some now..
 103 mar 24 21:35:47 <woutervddn>	so I guess I'll put the page up again?
 104 mar 24 21:36:18 <jean7491>	ok, with the change as not pre-order
 105 mar 24 21:36:34 <woutervddn>	indeed..
 106 mar 24 21:37:19 <woutervddn>	btw.. it does seem like they put the text up just a bit higher (as we asked).. but I don't have a shirt from the first buy so I can't verify..
 107 mar 24 21:37:59 *	djim_fey (~103385C46@ip-81-11-246-166.dsl.scarlet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 108 mar 24 21:38:28 <jean7491>	ok, anything else for now ? 
 109 mar 24 21:38:55 <woutervddn>	not that I know of..
 110 mar 24 21:39:29 <jean7491>	item #2 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011
 111 mar 24 21:39:46 <jean7491>	nothing new,   I propose to choose between the 2 versions  Wouter V1 revisited version  and  Massimiliano V2 as it is
 112 mar 24 21:39:53 <jean7491>	   please look at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsFlyers2011
 113 mar 24 21:40:09 <jean7491>	 as there is no other proposal, i propose to start a poll via the web-site, during 1 week
 114 mar 24 21:40:10 <jurgentje>	Massimiliano... I just updated my SVG poster with all your icons in the Ubuntu-style
 115 mar 24 21:40:13 <jurgentje>	(circles)
 116 mar 24 21:40:22 <jurgentje>	now going to update the PNG's
 117 mar 24 21:40:25 <woutervddn>	great jurgentje :)
 118 mar 24 21:40:51 <jean7491>	it is about rollups or flyers ?
 119 mar 24 21:41:00 <jurgentje>	the icons appear on both of them
 120 mar 24 21:41:21 <jurgentje>	but massimo21 made the flyers, and I inspired/synced the two
 121 mar 24 21:42:29 <jean7491>	imho i had difficulty to use canonical icons in the flyer, as they are less easy to understand
 122 mar 24 21:42:58 <massimo21>	are ther also canonical icons?
 123 mar 24 21:43:02 <massimo21>	there
 124 mar 24 21:43:04 <jurgentje>	yep, I was troubled with that too... but I put the icons of Massimiliano into circles
 125 mar 24 21:43:07 <jurgentje>	and they kinda worked out
 126 mar 24 21:43:14 <EmilyPlays_>	Well, kinda strange formulation, in the introduction on the 3rd poster
 127 mar 24 21:43:18 <jurgentje>	they have some "canonical" look
 128 mar 24 21:44:05 <jean7491>	ok, but let's first see the flyer
 129 mar 24 21:45:16 <jean7491>	do you need time for another proposal (flyer) ?
 130 mar 24 21:46:24 <woutervddn>	I have one concern about bouth the flyer and the roll up..
 131 mar 24 21:46:36 <woutervddn>	the orange doesn't seem to be "ubuntu" orange.. is that correct?
 132 mar 24 21:46:56 <EmilyPlays_>	It has potential
 133 mar 24 21:47:07 *	sylvaintechnic est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 134 mar 24 21:47:13 <EmilyPlays_>	tough it needs a touch up
 135 mar 24 21:47:47 <massimo21>	give some ideas
 136 mar 24 21:47:52 <massimo21>	:-)
 137 mar 24 21:48:28 <woutervddn>	emilyplays, feel free to digg in them..
 138 mar 24 21:48:53 <jurgentje>	EmilyPlays_, the original inkscape file is online, you can download it and do what you want with it :)
 139 mar 24 21:49:11 <EmilyPlays_>	Reconstruct; Ubuntu is een besturingssysteem voor iedereen en dat op elke computer  kan geinstaleerd worden.
 140 mar 24 21:50:20 <massimo21>	feel free to make changes and post them
 141 mar 24 21:52:08 <EmilyPlays_>	Ubuntu is een kosteloos besturingssysteem voor iedereen, dat op elke computer kan worden geinstaleerd.
 142 mar 24 21:52:14 <EmilyPlays_>	sounds better to me
 143 mar 24 21:53:00 <jurgentje>	gratis ipv kosteloos?
 144 mar 24 21:53:18 <massimo21>	that is my problem, Dutch isn't my mother language
 145 mar 24 21:53:22 <massimo21>	:-(
 146 mar 24 21:53:24 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 147 mar 24 21:53:39 <EmilyPlays_>	Don't be sad
 148 mar 24 21:53:58 <EmilyPlays_>	We are a team, so other people ca touch it up for you
 149 mar 24 21:54:07 <massimo21>	:-D
 150 mar 24 21:54:14 <woutervddn>	lol..
 151 mar 24 21:54:21 <JanC>	also, should be "geïnstalleerd"
 152 mar 24 21:54:35 <EmilyPlays_>	ofcourse
 153 mar 24 21:54:54 <jurgentje>	looked over that one
 154 mar 24 21:55:15 <woutervddn>	I keep thinking we shouldn't have seperate banners for each language..
 155 mar 24 21:56:07 <massimo21>	maybe te banner in english and the flyers localized
 156 mar 24 21:56:29 <massimo21>	who will do the translation in french?
 157 mar 24 21:56:29 <jurgentje>	flyers need to be localized, defenitely
 158 mar 24 21:57:04 <EmilyPlays_>	Well, i'll send all my points of critique later
 159 mar 24 21:57:21 <jean7491>	translation in french is not a problem
 160 mar 24 21:57:36 <massimo21>	you can putt them on the propsal page
 161 mar 24 21:57:43 <massimo21>	the critique points
 162 mar 24 21:57:52 <EmilyPlays_>	iw ill
 163 mar 24 21:58:04 <jurgentje>	hehe... or you can submit a proposal of your own :)
 164 mar 24 21:58:13 <jean7491>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsFlyers2011
 165 mar 24 21:58:25 <woutervddn>	a total new design would be nice.. difference is a good thing!
 166 mar 24 21:58:35 <jurgentje>	mmm... watch out
 167 mar 24 21:58:42 <jurgentje>	we're fed up at looking to this design
 168 mar 24 21:58:52 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 169 mar 24 21:58:54 <jurgentje>	because we've been scrutinizing it for over a month now
 170 mar 24 21:59:03 <jurgentje>	but it's new for the audience
 171 mar 24 21:59:03 <EmilyPlays_>	when i get my new pc i'll do my absolute best
 172 mar 24 21:59:49 <massimo21>	jurgentje: did you allready pst the svg? i can't find it
 173 mar 24 21:59:53 <jurgentje>	well... next week we're going to open the poll, right?
 174 mar 24 22:00:02 <jurgentje>	same name, I overwrote the previous one
 175 mar 24 22:00:22 <woutervddn>	jurgen.. can you put _revision after it next time
 176 mar 24 22:00:23 <EmilyPlays_>	^^ How long should we put it up?
 177 mar 24 22:00:55 <jean7491>	ok, we wait another week for other proposals or improvement, and hopely decide for a poll next week 
 178 mar 24 22:01:01 <jurgentje>	woutervddn, sorry, didn't think this "minor revision" was worth polluting the wiki
 179 mar 24 22:01:02 <EmilyPlays_>	kk
 180 mar 24 22:01:02 <jurgentje>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsRollup2011?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Proposal-rollup-2-jurgen.svg
 181 mar 24 22:01:42 <woutervddn>	ok then :) I don't know how big it was..
 182 mar 24 22:02:11 <jean7491>	we continue with item #3 promotion material for fairs/events - rollups that already started
 183 mar 24 22:02:51 <jean7491>	again, we wait for new ideas/designs
 184 mar 24 22:02:56 <jimbauwens>	gtg, cya all
 185 mar 24 22:03:00 <jimbauwens>	:)
 186 mar 24 22:03:01 <jurgentje>	bye
 187 mar 24 22:03:03 <jimbauwens>	Bye
 188 mar 24 22:03:07 *	jimbauwens (~jim@d5152CFF8.static.telenet.be) a quitté #ubuntu-be ("Leaving")
 189 mar 24 22:03:26 <jean7491>	comment about rollups ??
 190 mar 24 22:03:49 <jurgentje>	okay... you've got my proposal. I might tweak it a little further (if comments suggest to) but I won't make another new one.
 191 mar 24 22:03:53 <massimo21>	i like the ones jurgentje made
 192 mar 24 22:04:19 <massimo21>	but the icons don't make much sense by theyr own
 193 mar 24 22:04:24 <woutervddn>	me 2, but the oranges aren't the same.. (on my screen atleast..)
 194 mar 24 22:04:34 <jurgentje>	no, the icons only make sense if they come back on the flyer
 195 mar 24 22:04:42 <jurgentje>	it's tied in with each other
 196 mar 24 22:04:52 <jurgentje>	woutervddn, I tried the same orange for the two... it makes it boring
 197 mar 24 22:05:02 <massimo21>	that is the only solution then
 198 mar 24 22:05:05 <woutervddn>	hmm.. ok then..
 199 mar 24 22:05:30 <woutervddn>	but I don't see the colors right though.. my laptop screen isn't good for viewing..
 200 mar 24 22:05:30 <jurgentje>	maybe you can find better tones - feel free to look into it, you' ve got source :)
 201 mar 24 22:05:44 <woutervddn>	I might do that :)
 202 mar 24 22:06:09 <massimo21>	the new circles around the icons seems ok but you changed some
 203 mar 24 22:06:46 <massimo21>	whatever there will be chosen they have to be the same
 204 mar 24 22:06:49 <jurgentje>	yeah, I did change some... last week there was a complaint that the icons weren't Ubuntu compliant
 205 mar 24 22:06:54 <jurgentje>	so I tried tweaking them...
 206 mar 24 22:07:44 <jurgentje>	the bio-hazard thingie I changed so a lock... seemed more appropriate
 207 mar 24 22:08:01 <jurgentje>	ubuntu isn't biohazardous ;)
 208 mar 24 22:08:08 <massimo21>	but virusses are
 209 mar 24 22:08:12 <EmilyPlays_>	Good tweak
 210 mar 24 22:08:12 <massimo21>	:-)
 211 mar 24 22:08:26 <jurgentje>	well... ubuntu isn't a virus, is it? ;)
 212 mar 24 22:08:45 <EmilyPlays_>	no
 213 mar 24 22:08:57 <massimo21>	ther you have a good point
 214 mar 24 22:09:16 <jurgentje>	btw... your flyer was what inspired me for my rollout.. so kudos to you, Massimo
 215 mar 24 22:09:18 <jean7491>	other comment about rollups ?
 216 mar 24 22:09:24 <woutervddn>	making U look secure with the lock does provide a 'saver' look..
 217 mar 24 22:10:01 <massimo21>	that is true, it is just it took me forever to draw that biohazard sign
 218 mar 24 22:10:06 <massimo21>	:-(
 219 mar 24 22:10:41 <jurgentje>	really? you drew it? ouch... I have that one in my safety collection :s
 220 mar 24 22:10:51 <jean7491>	next item #4  promotion material for fairs/events - other goodies (mugs, bags, pens, ...
 221 mar 24 22:10:57 <massimo21>	but the fact that the lock is alot better
 222 mar 24 22:10:57 <jean7491>	a few propositions are in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
 223 mar 24 22:11:18 <jean7491>	are there comments ?
 224 mar 24 22:11:52 <jurgentje>	is the goodies responsible guy here today?
 225 mar 24 22:12:32 <jean7491>	there is no responsible guy, just 1 who was launching the idea
 226 mar 24 22:12:39 <EmilyPlays_>	Maybe something with stickers
 227 mar 24 22:13:15 <jean7491>	but the ideas about goodies have a lot of implications, ... 
 228 mar 24 22:13:29 <EmilyPlays_>	Atlest something  really heap
 229 mar 24 22:13:32 <EmilyPlays_>	cheap*
 230 mar 24 22:13:53 <jean7491>	and  i am afarid ubuntu-be is not ready to start with selling more
 231 mar 24 22:14:04 <jurgentje>	shouldn't we take the point of goodies off the agenda till after April, when we have a little more sight on where we want to go with Ubuntu-be as organisation?
 232 mar 24 22:14:25 <JanC>	+1 on that
 233 mar 24 22:14:45 <jean7491>	+1
 234 mar 24 22:14:50 <EmilyPlays_>	Maybe we can work together with Ubuntu nederland to reduce costs?
 235 mar 24 22:14:51 <JanC>	collecting suggestions on that wiki page is okay of course
 236 mar 24 22:15:16 <JanC>	EmilyPlays_: thats' not the most important problem
 237 mar 24 22:15:30 <EmilyPlays_>	kk
 238 mar 24 22:15:33 <jean7491>	next topic # 3. update wiki and  web-site
 239 mar 24 22:15:44 <jean7491>	wiki:   update ?
 240 mar 24 22:15:50 <JanC>	but of course we can always work together with other locoteams
 241 mar 24 22:16:44 <jean7491>	anything about the wiki ?
 242 mar 24 22:17:31 <jurgentje>	apart from the page on the Ubuntu-be organisation
 243 mar 24 22:17:36 <jurgentje>	I don't think there were big changes
 244 mar 24 22:17:47 <jean7491>	or about web-site ?
 245 mar 24 22:18:00 <jurgentje>	yeah... I'm having troubles logging in
 246 mar 24 22:18:23 <EmilyPlays_>	off topic: Does ubuntu.be have a twitter
 247 mar 24 22:18:33 <jurgentje>	for some reason, my launchpad ID doesn't let me log in
 248 mar 24 22:19:01 <jurgentje>	JanC, did you already get time to look into that?
 249 mar 24 22:19:24 <jurgentje>	EmilyPlays_, look on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/
 250 mar 24 22:19:29 <jurgentje>	the front page... it's there.
 251 mar 24 22:19:47 <jurgentje>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/#Contact  <-- but I don't know if it's alive
 252 mar 24 22:20:31 <massimo21>	facebook page is
 253 mar 24 22:20:41 <EmilyPlays_>	It is dead
 254 mar 24 22:20:46 <woutervddn>	sorry.. was away for a sec..
 255 mar 24 22:20:53 <jurgentje>	yeah, you blew life into that wone, great job by you!
 256 mar 24 22:21:20 <EmilyPlays_>	I can make one if requested
 257 mar 24 22:21:39 <massimo21>	who will maintain it?
 258 mar 24 22:21:47 <EmilyPlays_>	me
 259 mar 24 22:21:58 <massimo21>	:-)
 260 mar 24 22:22:18 <woutervddn>	emilyplays_ would you be interested to start blogging for U-be?
 261 mar 24 22:22:30 <EmilyPlays_>	Blogging
 262 mar 24 22:22:34 <woutervddn>	we've talked about this wit mongolito404 and there is a bug for it..
 263 mar 24 22:22:34 <EmilyPlays_>	As in a blog
 264 mar 24 22:22:41 <EmilyPlays_>	:p
 265 mar 24 22:22:51 <EmilyPlays_>	What langauge?
 266 mar 24 22:22:52 <JanC>	jurgentje: normally mongolito404 looks at problems with the website, but IIRC there is an issue with the OpenID support module -- there are two ways to link to launchpad for your openid, and only one works, or something like that
 267 mar 24 22:23:03 <woutervddn>	yes.. I'd like to start one on the website but I know that I don't have the time to do it alone..
 268 mar 24 22:23:10 <woutervddn>	english I guess :p
 269 mar 24 22:23:38 <EmilyPlays_>	An english blog for Ubuntu.be would be no problem
 270 mar 24 22:23:50 <EmilyPlays_>	But is it worth it
 271 mar 24 22:23:57 <EmilyPlays_>	It will be lots of work
 272 mar 24 22:24:10 <woutervddn>	the problem now is that our website looks way to static to attract people.
 273 mar 24 22:24:21 <EmilyPlays_>	And will it be looked at/ noticed
 274 mar 24 22:24:37 <woutervddn>	we do have the planet, but not all of the content is U related and it's not really dedicated to U..
 275 mar 24 22:24:47 <jurgentje>	umm... what would be your angle? talking about ubuntu broadly, or about the promotion of ubuntu?
 276 mar 24 22:25:10 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 277 mar 24 22:25:18 <EmilyPlays_>	We can have a vote about it
 278 mar 24 22:25:21 <woutervddn>	the general goal imo should be to gain interest in ubuntu and ubuntu-be..
 279 mar 24 22:25:26 <EmilyPlays_>	A little survey on forehand
 280 mar 24 22:25:37 <woutervddn>	so it would be promotion by triggering the curiousity of people..
 281 mar 24 22:25:39 <jurgentje>	because the scope of ubuntu-be.org is to gather people who promote ubuntu
 282 mar 24 22:26:23 <EmilyPlays_>	I can always try
 283 mar 24 22:26:25 <jurgentje>	but just attracting people curious for ubuntu, would (imo) be counterproductive as we would have to refer them to ubuntu-nl, ubuntu-fr or other
 284 mar 24 22:26:41 <EmilyPlays_>	owke
 285 mar 24 22:26:59 <massimo21>	so no twitter?
 286 mar 24 22:27:01 <jurgentje>	please, disagree (if you do)
 287 mar 24 22:27:08 <EmilyPlays_>	Twiter + blog?
 288 mar 24 22:27:12 <woutervddn>	I'm wondering jurgentje..
 289 mar 24 22:27:25 <EmilyPlays_>	No, I really want to
 290 mar 24 22:27:27 <jurgentje>	no, twitter+blog can be nice... because it offers background for promo team
 291 mar 24 22:27:41 <woutervddn>	twitter, blog, fb, identi.ca, orkut.. if it's up to me the more the better (if we could get it synced) :p
 292 mar 24 22:27:48 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 293 mar 24 22:27:49 <jurgentje>	but I think we need to keep our scope clear
 294 mar 24 22:27:52 <jurgentje>	and our audience
 295 mar 24 22:28:07 <massimo21>	i can sync facebook with the rest
 296 mar 24 22:28:11 <EmilyPlays_>	Thats why we should get a separate promo team
 297 mar 24 22:28:17 <woutervddn>	well imho it's kind of strange to say that the website is meant for those who promote Ubuntu..
 298 mar 24 22:28:25 <EmilyPlays_>	E-promo
 299 mar 24 22:28:33 <EmilyPlays_>	We get togheter
 300 mar 24 22:28:46 <EmilyPlays_>	figure it all out, propose our ideas
 301 mar 24 22:28:51 <EmilyPlays_>	And start working
 302 mar 24 22:28:55 <woutervddn>	I allready suggested a social media team, but we'll look in to that when we talk about the new TeamOrganization
 303 mar 24 22:29:33 <EmilyPlays_>	It does not hurt making one while that stuff is in the making?
 304 mar 24 22:29:34 <jurgentje>	yep... once we have a core team, we can consider laying out priorities and then recruiting... but I think we first need the core team
 305 mar 24 22:29:42 <EmilyPlays_>	kk
 306 mar 24 22:29:52 <woutervddn>	indeed..
 307 mar 24 22:29:53 <EmilyPlays_>	you the ones with experience
 308 mar 24 22:29:55 <jurgentje>	well... making one is great... if it stays alive :)
 309 mar 24 22:30:04 <woutervddn>	+1 on that..
 310 mar 24 22:30:30 <woutervddn>	it really needs attention all the time or else it will fade away..
 311 mar 24 22:30:35 <jurgentje>	better to have no pet than a dead pet ;)
 312 mar 24 22:30:37 <woutervddn>	that's why I don't want to start one alone..
 313 mar 24 22:30:46 <woutervddn>	lol.. that's one way to put it ;-)
 314 mar 24 22:30:52 <jean7491>	coming back on the website  bug #718482 –  the support point manual translated in french does not appear when asked, the manual appears in english
 315 mar 24 22:31:06 <woutervddn>	bub.. really?
 316 mar 24 22:31:26 <jurgentje>	bub?
 317 mar 24 22:31:43 <woutervddn>	from where are you 'asking' for it jean?
 318 mar 24 22:31:51 <woutervddn>	just bub, no acronym..
 319 mar 24 22:32:35 <jean7491>	http://ubuntu-be.org/fr/node/22 the 4th bullet
 320 mar 24 22:32:43 <woutervddn>	jean, I see the problem I'll change it :)
 321 mar 24 22:32:59 <EmilyPlays_>	So is anyone up for a team already
 322 mar 24 22:33:08 <EmilyPlays_>	or did i figure it out wrong
 323 mar 24 22:33:18 <jean7491>	and i added a comment to the bug
 324 mar 24 22:35:15 <jean7491>	a promo team is a nice idea, but with a huge range of possibilities, to be examine, later 
 325 mar 24 22:35:34 <EmilyPlays_>	owke
 326 mar 24 22:35:47 <jean7491>	next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list 
 327 mar 24 22:35:53 <woutervddn>	changed it, should work now..
 328 mar 24 22:35:58 <jean7491>	item # 1 -  laying some foundations or ubuntu-be needs a structure and an organization
 329 mar 24 22:36:20 <jean7491>	@ woutervddn ok, i look at later
 330 mar 24 22:36:33 <jean7491>	lfirst ideas about a structure, a leading council and its mission statement has been added to the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganizationlfirst ideas about a structure, a leading council and its mission statement has been added to the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization
 331 mar 24 22:36:54 <jean7491>	the first section is about defining the agenda for the meeting planned on 25/04
 332 mar 24 22:37:14 <jean7491>	your comment ?
 333 mar 24 22:37:36 <EmilyPlays_>	Well i like the idea
 334 mar 24 22:38:22 <jean7491>	first : agreement on the need of an organization ?
 335 mar 24 22:38:29 <massimo21>	hope ther will be enaugh dedicated volounteers then
 336 mar 24 22:38:48 <jean7491>	hoop doet leven
 337 mar 24 22:38:52 <jurgentje>	yeah, volunteers is always and everywhere the issue :)
 338 mar 24 22:38:56 <EmilyPlays_>	indeed
 339 mar 24 22:39:11 <jurgentje>	that's why we need a core team... and prioritize
 340 mar 24 22:39:17 <massimo21>	organization will be fundamntal
 341 mar 24 22:39:20 <jurgentje>	people tend to like to join a winning team
 342 mar 24 22:39:48 <jean7491>	the main issue will be defining a kind of leadership ...
 343 mar 24 22:39:48 <jurgentje>	and it's better to have a team that does a few things good... than a bunch blabbing around all over the place
 344 mar 24 22:40:04 <EmilyPlays_>	We need a couple of people coordinating everything
 345 mar 24 22:40:22 <EmilyPlays_>	Not leaders, but coordinators
 346 mar 24 22:40:42 <jurgentje>	yep, that would be the main coincil... hoping to have the basics straight April 25 ...
 347 mar 24 22:41:07 <woutervddn>	jean, i agree that it is hard to define the kind of leadership in 'terms'
 348 mar 24 22:41:11 <jurgentje>	leaders, coördinaters, guru's, benevolent dictators, whatever you wanna call them. I don't care.
 349 mar 24 22:41:19 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 350 mar 24 22:41:34 <woutervddn>	I think we all have the same idea about how it should look, but it very hard to write it down on paper.. (at least for me it is..)
 351 mar 24 22:41:35 <jurgentje>	a small team that keeps us on track and on focus :)
 352 mar 24 22:41:37 <EmilyPlays_>	I hate the word, but make it democratic
 353 mar 24 22:42:01 <jean7491>	a council (or other name) objectives : coordination, support and taking decision when needed 
 354 mar 24 22:42:16 <EmilyPlays_>	At least one of the guys in the council has to keep contact with all the teams
 355 mar 24 22:42:25 <EmilyPlays_>	so everyone's voices are heard
 356 mar 24 22:42:55 <woutervddn>	imo the council should at least have meetings with the leaders of the teams..
 357 mar 24 22:43:02 *	selckin est parti (Quit: .)
 358 mar 24 22:43:09 <woutervddn>	but I think that it would be a good idea to keep the meetings open..
 359 mar 24 22:43:13 <EmilyPlays_>	yes
 360 mar 24 22:43:22 <woutervddn>	(open as in like this IRC meeting..)
 361 mar 24 22:43:34 <EmilyPlays_>	Let everyone follow the meeting
 362 mar 24 22:43:45 <EmilyPlays_>	But do not let evrybody  speak
 363 mar 24 22:44:12 <EmilyPlays_>	Let them give their points/ideas/messages to that one person
 364 mar 24 22:44:13 <jean7491>	no problem with that open irc meetings
 365 mar 24 22:44:20 <massimo21>	everybody is free to join th meetings
 366 mar 24 22:44:29 <EmilyPlays_>	And he can trow it in the group
 367 mar 24 22:44:33 <EmilyPlays_>	So its not a mess
 368 mar 24 22:44:43 <woutervddn>	jean, would you consider seperate council meetings? or just normal meetings but occasional council meetings?
 369 mar 24 22:45:24 <EmilyPlays_>	Open meetings normally, closed when needed?
 370 mar 24 22:45:28 <massimo21>	if there will be a council it will be fundamntal to make some real life meetings
 371 mar 24 22:45:52 <jurgentje>	yeah, I decided on the first one (meeting 0) last week ;)
 372 mar 24 22:46:18 <jean7491>	no idea, since 2 years i'm busy with the weekly meeting, but there are a lot of issue that should be worked on by the council
 373 mar 24 22:46:25 <woutervddn>	jurgentje; what was the date again? the 24th?
 374 mar 24 22:46:35 <jurgentje>	25th I think
 375 mar 24 22:46:37 <jurgentje>	Easter Monday
 376 mar 24 22:46:47 <woutervddn>	25th :)
 377 mar 24 22:46:58 <EmilyPlays_>	Should we have a group that desides on people misusing ubuntu.be
 378 mar 24 22:47:04 <EmilyPlays_>	like a little court
 379 mar 24 22:47:07 <massimo21>	that is a difficult date for me
 380 mar 24 22:48:03 <jean7491>	@ EmilyPlays it is not our priority
 381 mar 24 22:48:06 <woutervddn>	I don't think we need a court :p
 382 mar 24 22:48:27 <woutervddn>	1st reason is that people either do good work or no work..
 383 mar 24 22:48:41 <woutervddn>	2nd is that we can't do something because we are open.. :p
 384 mar 24 22:48:51 <EmilyPlays_>	Not to punish or ban people
 385 mar 24 22:49:13 <EmilyPlays_>	But solely to point out their working counterproductive
 386 mar 24 22:49:28 <woutervddn>	everyone can join us, and if they do take a serious 'job' they will do it.. (I don't think we'd let people to important stuff if we don't know what they are capable of..)
 387 mar 24 22:49:29 <jurgentje>	is this a problem according to you?
 388 mar 24 22:49:56 <jurgentje>	I don't think we have trolls or spammers or rude pplz in the mailinglist or groups, do you?
 389 mar 24 22:49:58 <woutervddn>	please do correct me if I'm wrong..
 390 mar 24 22:49:59 <EmilyPlays_>	Look at wikipedia
 391 mar 24 22:50:13 <EmilyPlays_>	lots of people work counterproductive there
 392 mar 24 22:50:28 <woutervddn>	emilyplays_ we are not wikipedia.. :) we aren't with 100ths..
 393 mar 24 22:50:37 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 394 mar 24 22:50:42 <jean7491>	when i describe the functions of the council as coordination, support and taking decision when needed, including if problems with counterproductive people 
 395 mar 24 22:50:57 <jurgentje>	+1
 396 mar 24 22:50:59 <EmilyPlays_>	If we are all nice and happy its not needed
 397 mar 24 22:51:20 <EmilyPlays_>	+1
 398 mar 24 22:52:03 <woutervddn>	so you still see the IRC meetings as they are now then?
 399 mar 24 22:52:20 <woutervddn>	(so everyone can have there say..)
 400 mar 24 22:52:50 <jurgentje>	yep, I think that is interesting. (f.e. today we were surprised with EmilyPlays_ joining in)
 401 mar 24 22:52:52 <EmilyPlays_>	You mean the council meetings
 402 mar 24 22:53:08 <EmilyPlays_>	or these meetings?
 403 mar 24 22:53:19 <jurgentje>	IRC = these meetings
 404 mar 24 22:53:42 <jean7491>	other comment ? council mission statement should be at the agenda first irl meeting
 405 mar 24 22:54:16 <jean7491>	and about irc meetings, ince 2 years, i'm leading the weekly irc meeting andwriting reports: is there someone willing to share to burden ?
 406 mar 24 22:54:20 <jurgentje>	sure, but I think that can grow in a brainstorming (I assume we're all thinking about that right now)
 407 mar 24 22:54:20 <EmilyPlays_>	@ Jean +1
 408 mar 24 22:54:38 <jean7491>	since 2 years
 409 mar 24 22:54:44 <EmilyPlays_>	These meetings should stay open
 410 mar 24 22:55:09 <EmilyPlays_>	Otherwise i would have been frightened
 411 mar 24 22:55:10 <jurgentje>	Jean, sorry man... I won't step up here.
 412 mar 24 22:55:20 <EmilyPlays_>	as well as other newcomers
 413 mar 24 22:55:31 <woutervddn>	jean7491.. I supose I could, but I guess it all depents on what the new structure would be..
 414 mar 24 22:56:16 <woutervddn>	how would you devide the burden?
 415 mar 24 22:56:34 *	djim_fey est parti (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 416 mar 24 22:56:55 <jean7491>	imho, we waste time to speak about irc mrrtings, weekly or council, ..., we will see after the first irl meeting
 417 mar 24 22:57:09 <jurgentje>	I could occasionally take over a few during holidays
 418 mar 24 22:57:17 <jurgentje>	but during school year, I'm too busy
 419 mar 24 22:57:46 <woutervddn>	ok..
 420 mar 24 22:58:10 <jurgentje>	jean7491, I agree... but otoh... can someone put that point on the wiki page, so it won't get forgotten.
 421 mar 24 22:59:26 <jean7491>	about leading the irc meeting, when someone has time to chair the meeting and write the report, no problem, just contact me for no duplication of the work
 422 mar 24 22:59:41 <jean7491>	.. can someone put that point on the wiki page, so it won't get forgotten : about what ?
 423 mar 24 23:00:34 <jurgentje>	imho, we waste time to speak about irc mrrtings, weekly or council, ..., we will see after the first irl meeting   <-- the points you're refering to that we should have to talk about on the irl meeting
 424 mar 24 23:01:29 <jean7491>	ok, but it is less important
 425 mar 24 23:01:59 <jurgentje>	ok... nvm then :)
 426 mar 24 23:02:29 <woutervddn>	other thing about the irl meeting..
 427 mar 24 23:02:40 <massimo21>	i'm leaving
 428 mar 24 23:02:43 <massimo21>	good night
 429 mar 24 23:02:46 <massimo21>	;-)
 430 mar 24 23:02:53 <woutervddn>	good night massimo21 o/
 431 mar 24 23:02:58 <jurgentje>	good night
 432 mar 24 23:03:04 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.173.199) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 433 mar 24 23:03:07 <woutervddn>	is there any 'legal' issue we should 'investigate' prior to the meeting?
 434 mar 24 23:03:13 <EmilyPlays_>	good night
 435 mar 24 23:03:31 <jean7491>	bye massimo21
 436 mar 24 23:03:57 <jurgentje>	well, I guess it depends if we already want to tackle the VZW-option then?
 437 mar 24 23:04:24 <jean7491>	imho no because another step
 438 mar 24 23:04:54 <EmilyPlays_>	Maybe VZW is a bit to soon?
 439 mar 24 23:05:05 <jean7491>	we first need to be organized before to think about non-profit asso.
 440 mar 24 23:05:09 <woutervddn>	ok, so there is nothing that changes then in terms of legal stuff..
 441 mar 24 23:05:31 <jurgentje>	but otoh ... maybe it's not a bad idea to form our structure so it can easily become a vzw (some day)
 442 mar 24 23:05:43 <EmilyPlays_>	indeed
 443 mar 24 23:05:46 <jurgentje>	I mean... imagine we setup a structure and then it appears to be incompatible
 444 mar 24 23:05:51 <jurgentje>	would be stupid...
 445 mar 24 23:05:52 <jurgentje>	http://www.just.fgov.be/img_publications/pdf/64.pdf
 446 mar 24 23:06:01 <jurgentje>	that's the legal information about starting a vzw
 447 mar 24 23:06:13 <jurgentje>	I'll try reading it. Maybe someone else could too?
 448 mar 24 23:06:14 <woutervddn>	nice that you looked that up allready :p
 449 mar 24 23:06:17 <EmilyPlays_>	Vzw is not that hard to set up
 450 mar 24 23:06:22 <EmilyPlays_>	I'll ask my dad
 451 mar 24 23:06:25 <woutervddn>	yup.. I'll read it to..
 452 mar 24 23:06:33 <EmilyPlays_>	who started a vzw
 453 mar 24 23:07:23 <jean7491>	vzw is another topic, not for now, for later, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization/NonProfitAsso
 454 mar 24 23:07:24 <JanC>	it's not hard to do, but requires ongoing extra work (and some extra expenses)
 455 mar 24 23:07:40 <EmilyPlays_>	Plus, you have to keep it alive
 456 mar 24 23:08:04 <jean7491>	as i said, another step ...
 457 mar 24 23:08:34 <jurgentje>	but for the foundation, a basic question (required for vzw) is indeed: who will be considered "members"
 458 mar 24 23:08:40 <jurgentje>	(for the general assembly)
 459 mar 24 23:09:10 <jean7491>	you will read my ideas about in the wiki page
 460 mar 24 23:09:27 <jurgentje>	yep, I saw it.
 461 mar 24 23:09:32 <jean7491>	but again, it is for later
 462 mar 24 23:10:18 <woutervddn>	I do agree with jurgen that is a good idea to make sure our structure fits the needs.. :)
 463 mar 24 23:11:20 <jean7491>	let's start with a "leading group" or council which can coordinate, support and decide, ... but vzw is another story, 
 464 mar 24 23:12:02 <jurgentje>	agree
 465 mar 24 23:12:11 <EmilyPlays_>	+1
 466 mar 24 23:12:26 <jean7491>	another point for the council is for example about membership to the loco team ...
 467 mar 24 23:12:40 <jean7491>	 imho, the future council should define the conditions for people willing to join the belgian loco team: afaik, there is actually no policy in this matter
 468 mar 24 23:13:04 <EmilyPlays_>	conditions scare newcomers
 469 mar 24 23:13:05 <woutervddn>	good point..
 470 mar 24 23:13:14 <woutervddn>	both jean and emily..
 471 mar 24 23:13:21 <EmilyPlays_>	but there need to be some
 472 mar 24 23:13:24 <woutervddn>	I've been thinking about this last week..
 473 mar 24 23:13:37 <EmilyPlays_>	maybe they should just porve themselves
 474 mar 24 23:13:39 <jurgentje>	so then volunteers for Dipro... OR have to go through hoops before they can help... OR they are non-members?
 475 mar 24 23:13:48 <jean7491>	we only need active people, not spectators
 476 mar 24 23:14:03 <EmilyPlays_>	let them show their launchpad
 477 mar 24 23:14:11 <EmilyPlays_>	And look @ their karma
 478 mar 24 23:14:20 <woutervddn>	lol bad idea emily :p
 479 mar 24 23:14:25 <EmilyPlays_>	Its a way of knowing activity/inactivity
 480 mar 24 23:14:25 <woutervddn>	I think my karma is below 0 :)
 481 mar 24 23:14:30 <EmilyPlays_>	Well
 482 mar 24 23:14:35 <jean7491>	criterias could be as follows: interested in Ubuntu, willing to be a part of the team and being able to work together with others as part of a team. 
 483 mar 24 23:14:46 <EmilyPlays_>	Ofcourse
 484 mar 24 23:14:48 *	woutervddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a quitté #ubuntu-be ("Leaving")
 485 mar 24 23:14:51 <jean7491>	  it means that the person applying has to share some information with the other members of the team (who he is? his possible contribution to the aims of the community, …) and has to sign the ubuntu code of conduct
 486 mar 24 23:14:53 <JanC>	everybody who uses Ubuntu can join the locoteam, there should not be any restriction on that
 487 mar 24 23:14:57 *	woutervddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 488 mar 24 23:15:04 <woutervddn>	sorry.. I popped out =)
 489 mar 24 23:15:14 <EmilyPlays_>	So a lot of people will join
 490 mar 24 23:15:29 <woutervddn>	I was thinking about making some sort of code of conduct that the 'real' memebers could sign, but for newcomers, just make them get a launchpad and join a sub-team..
 491 mar 24 23:15:46 <EmilyPlays_>	maybe we should let them have a test period
 492 mar 24 23:15:50 <EmilyPlays_>	lets say 3 weeks
 493 mar 24 23:15:50 <jurgentje>	yeah, but otoh... not all soccer fans are members of the soccer team either...
 494 mar 24 23:15:56 <woutervddn>	after they start knowing the structure and feel like they really want to get serious let them sign the cod
 495 mar 24 23:16:05 <EmilyPlays_>	if they proof that they are interested
 496 mar 24 23:16:12 <JanC>	but of course not everybody should be able to get into the council, workgroups, etc. -- there doing work is needed
 497 mar 24 23:16:13 <EmilyPlays_>	they can join
 498 mar 24 23:16:27 <EmilyPlays_>	and sign the code
 499 mar 24 23:16:42 <woutervddn>	janC; I totally agree!
 500 mar 24 23:16:58 <woutervddn>	although I think that they should be able to join workgroups..
 501 mar 24 23:16:59 <EmilyPlays_>	After that they can move on to (sub) teams and/or groups
 502 mar 24 23:17:15 <jean7491>	imho the loco team is for interested in Ubuntu, willing to be a part of the team and being able to work together with others as part of a team this means that we can have conditions to join
 503 mar 24 23:17:19 <JanC>	woutervddn: as you didn't see what I said before that: <JanC> everybody who uses Ubuntu can join the locoteam, there should not be any restriction on that
 504 mar 24 23:17:34 <woutervddn>	ow..
 505 mar 24 23:17:35 <jurgentje>	and I can understand that LoCo (local community) is not equal to "ubuntu-be LoCo team" (emphasis on TEAM)
 506 mar 24 23:17:38 <EmilyPlays_>	Maybe we should define work groups and teams
 507 mar 24 23:17:40 <jean7491>	i don't agree with
 508 mar 24 23:18:24 <woutervddn>	I do believe we still need a way of involving new people without commiting them to something..
 509 mar 24 23:18:51 <woutervddn>	once they are sure they want to stay we can offer them 'real' membership..
 510 mar 24 23:18:53 <jurgentje>	+1
 511 mar 24 23:18:54 <jean7491>	i don't agree with "everybody who uses Ubuntu can join the locoteam, there should not be any restriction on that
 512 mar 24 23:19:25 <jurgentje>	in our hackerspace... everyone is welcome, but to be an actual member you need to commit to a certain level
 513 mar 24 23:19:35 <woutervddn>	jean, what should be a restriction then?
 514 mar 24 23:19:47 <woutervddn>	jurgentje.. that's what I meant..
 515 mar 24 23:19:47 <jurgentje>	(in our case, it also includes a financial partacipation in the costs - but I don't suggest that here)
 516 mar 24 23:19:49 <EmilyPlays_>	everybody can join loco, but they need to apply to join the loco team(s)
 517 mar 24 23:20:02 <jurgentje>	and on the workfloor, we don't really know who's member and who's not
 518 mar 24 23:20:21 <jurgentje>	it's only on the general assembly that members have to raise hands to check if we meet our numbers :)
 519 mar 24 23:21:23 <jean7491>	imho conditions are as i wrote interested in Ubuntu, willing to be a part of the team and being able to work together with others as part of a team with implications ...
 520 mar 24 23:21:51 <JanC>	the GA is a legal thing, and membership of that is not related to ubuntu-be membership
 521 mar 24 23:21:52 <EmilyPlays_>	And show to have contributed before
 522 mar 24 23:22:23 <EmilyPlays_>	as in translating, contributing to the irc
 523 mar 24 23:22:41 <JanC>	telling your mom Ubuntu is great...
 524 mar 24 23:22:49 <jurgentje>	EmilyPlays_, how can you show contributions? Don't say karma -> Dipro volunteers for example don't have Launchpad karma
 525 mar 24 23:22:59 <woutervddn>	indeed..
 526 mar 24 23:23:08 <EmilyPlays_>	Anyhting
 527 mar 24 23:23:16 <JanC>	seriously, everybody who wants to become a member is probably already doing something...
 528 mar 24 23:23:20 <EmilyPlays_>	let them show the poster they made
 529 mar 24 23:23:44 <JanC>	even if only promoting it to his/her own family, friends, etc.
 530 mar 24 23:23:54 <woutervddn>	that's true..
 531 mar 24 23:23:59 <jurgentje>	just a stupid question: why would anyone want to become member if they don't want to participate?
 532 mar 24 23:24:35 <EmilyPlays_>	@janc
 533 mar 24 23:24:45 <woutervddn>	I think jean means that there should be a way to split the persons who joined but aren't doing anything and those who are really trying to make this work..
 534 mar 24 23:25:12 <woutervddn>	and I couldn't agree more on that.. we need to let everyone in, but we only need to 'promote' those who are serious..
 535 mar 24 23:25:26 <EmilyPlays_>	imho : they can join, as long as they have contributed before, doesn't matter how little they contributed
 536 mar 24 23:25:37 <jurgentje>	I would suggest a checkbox at the user account saying: "I want to be an active member" (and add a few lines with explanation about what that means)
 537 mar 24 23:25:48 <woutervddn>	and how can they contribute without they joined first?
 538 mar 24 23:26:12 <jurgentje>	they can join, not check that box yet... and participate
 539 mar 24 23:26:46 <EmilyPlays_>	telling your mom is easy
 540 mar 24 23:26:56 <jurgentje>	and after a month (or 25 years) they can decide to commit
 541 mar 24 23:27:06 <woutervddn>	I'd go for council > seperate sub teams (who have someone to follow that sub team up) > active members along side with those who are 'testing' with U-be
 542 mar 24 23:27:24 <jean7491>	imho the loco team is as i said for people being able to work together with others as part of a team, other non-active people can be part of the ubuntu community, but not member of the loco team
 543 mar 24 23:27:27 <jurgentje>	yeah... but being active member is an attitude choice, it has to do with "wanting to"
 544 mar 24 23:27:30 <jurgentje>	too
 545 mar 24 23:28:14 <jean7491>	an illustration : membership belgian loco team on launchpad : welcome to ewout de cat - does anyone know him?
 546 mar 24 23:28:21 <woutervddn>	jean.. I agree on that, but if I join now and I don't like it then I will stop doing stuff for U-be but I won't go true the trouble of 'un-subscribing'..
 547 mar 24 23:28:34 <EmilyPlays_>	Ewout de cat is me :)
 548 mar 24 23:28:42 <EmilyPlays_>	so you know me now :p
 549 mar 24 23:28:55 <jean7491>	so welcome !
 550 mar 24 23:29:03 <jurgentje>	lol!  bad example :)
 551 mar 24 23:29:08 <woutervddn>	but if you only let people join who are serious, how can you verify before letting them join?
 552 mar 24 23:29:31 <EmilyPlays_>	Be letting them write something
 553 mar 24 23:29:46 <EmilyPlays_>	so they can explain their reasons?
 554 mar 24 23:29:58 <woutervddn>	and that won't repel new people?
 555 mar 24 23:29:59 <jurgentje>	why must we verify?
 556 mar 24 23:30:11 <jurgentje>	I really don't understand
 557 mar 24 23:30:37 <woutervddn>	because we else have +200 members in the U-be loco team of which only 30 are active..
 558 mar 24 23:30:38 <EmilyPlays_>	me niether
 559 mar 24 23:30:58 <jurgentje>	checkbox with "opt-in" ?
 560 mar 24 23:31:06 <woutervddn>	if there is another way to destinguish how many active members we have it's fine..
 561 mar 24 23:31:07 <JanC>	woutervddn: we don't know how many of those are active
 562 mar 24 23:31:19 <jurgentje>	you really think they would all opt in to membership if you clearly state commitment?
 563 mar 24 23:31:26 <jean7491>	we can ask to share some information with the other members of the team (who he is? his possible contribution to the aims of the community, …) and has to sign the ubuntu code of conduct, but of course we only see with the time what happens
 564 mar 24 23:31:35 <woutervddn>	janC.. I know, it was just a way of speaking, but it would be nice to know who's active and who's not..
 565 mar 24 23:31:49 <EmilyPlays_>	@ Jean +1
 566 mar 24 23:31:51 <woutervddn>	jean.. indeed
 567 mar 24 23:31:56 <jurgentje>	in our hackerspace, you need 2 sponsors (members) to vouch for you
 568 mar 24 23:32:05 <woutervddn>	^i like that way..
 569 mar 24 23:32:45 <woutervddn>	so everyone could join, but you'll only be a core member if 2 people agree on that..
 570 mar 24 23:33:15 <JanC>	woutervddn: now you're talking about "core membership"
 571 mar 24 23:33:17 <jurgentje>	if 2 people put their name under your name...
 572 mar 24 23:33:27 <woutervddn>	I'm just trying to name it :s
 573 mar 24 23:33:32 <JanC>	which probably means formal membership of the vzw
 574 mar 24 23:33:37 <woutervddn>	indeed :)
 575 mar 24 23:33:38 <JanC>	and voting rights
 576 mar 24 23:33:42 <jurgentje>	"active membership"  ... "core membership" ... "veteran members"  ... "promo team" ... whatever
 577 mar 24 23:33:46 <woutervddn>	sorry.. we need seperate names for those :p
 578 mar 24 23:33:51 <JanC>	that's not what I mean by membership
 579 mar 24 23:34:11 <jurgentje>	but you do mean a discernable list of people who are (actually) active
 580 mar 24 23:34:19 <jurgentje>	right JanC ?
 581 mar 24 23:34:49 <EmilyPlays_>	+1 for the let 2 people sign for you
 582 mar 24 23:35:11 <jean7491>	we are more far than preparing the first irl meeting ....  i propose we stop now with the discussion and see next meeting ... on thursday 31/03/2011 at 21 h. ?
 583 mar 24 23:35:41 <jurgentje>	agreed... and if we pass midnight... we can pull a prank ;)
 584 mar 24 23:35:53 <woutervddn>	:p lol
 585 mar 24 23:36:05 <jean7491>	we are too far, ... next meeting ... on thursday 31/03/2011 at 21 h. ?
 586 mar 24 23:36:10 <woutervddn>	I also agree :)
 587 mar 24 23:36:13 <EmilyPlays_>	+ 1
 588 mar 24 23:36:20 <woutervddn>	ok.. sounds good for me :)
 589 mar 24 23:36:28 <jurgentje>	+1
 590 mar 24 23:37:08 <jean7491>	end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !