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   1 avr 14 21:01:06 <jean7491>	hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   2 avr 14 21:04:25 <JanC>	I'll be back in 5 min  ☺
   3 avr 14 21:10:34 *	woutervddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
   4 avr 14 21:10:41 <woutervddn>	o/
   5 avr 14 21:11:10 <woutervddn>	good evening all..
   6 avr 14 21:11:35 <jean7491>	hi wouter, jan is back in 5 min
   7 avr 14 21:11:37 *	jurgentje (~jurgen@94-227-10-80.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
   8 avr 14 21:11:41 <woutervddn>	ok..
   9 avr 14 21:11:51 <woutervddn>	I was already afraid I was going to be late :p
  10 avr 14 21:11:57 <jurgentje>	hi guys... sorry I'm late. Here now.
  11 avr 14 21:12:01 <jean7491>	hi jurgentje
  12 avr 14 21:12:27 <woutervddn>	hi juren
  13 avr 14 21:12:35 <jurgentje>	hi wouter, jean, et all
  14 avr 14 21:12:59 <jean7491>	janC is back in 5 min
  15 avr 14 21:13:24 *	JanC is back  ☺
  16 avr 14 21:13:39 *	lofty40 (~mario@77.109.78.155) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  17 avr 14 21:14:09 <jurgentje>	Hi JanC
  18 avr 14 21:15:29 <jean7491>	for now, we are 4 in this meeting
  19 avr 14 21:16:51 <jean7491>	mimor ?
  20 avr 14 21:16:53 *	padv est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
  21 avr 14 21:17:37 <jean7491>	let's try a short meeting ( one hour ?)
  22 avr 14 21:17:51 <jean7491>	topic #1.  events
  23 avr 14 21:18:02 <jurgentje>	okay for me. (shorter is allowed too if we can handle it all) ;)
  24 avr 14 21:18:14 <jean7491>	item #1 Dipro fair Ghent - 10/04/2011 - report
  25 avr 14 21:18:58 <jean7491>	JanC , comment about ghent ?
  26 avr 14 21:19:53 <JanC>	number of volunteers in Ghent was okay this time
  27 avr 14 21:20:10 <JanC>	number of visitors was okay before noon
  28 avr 14 21:21:00 <JanC>	in the afternoon not many anymore, and most of us went home (as announced before the fair)
  29 avr 14 21:22:01 <JanC>	when I say "okay before noon" I mean not a lot, but not good either  ;)
  30 avr 14 21:22:16 <JanC>	eh
  31 avr 14 21:22:30 <JanC>	and we didn't get a lot of gifts  :-(
  32 avr 14 21:22:31 <woutervddn>	It seems like dipro is losing terrain.. Or is that just me thinking that?
  33 avr 14 21:22:50 <JanC>	woutervddn: yes, that has been going on for several years
  34 avr 14 21:23:04 <jean7491>	i had no feedback from mimor, nor from nero (i sent him questions)
  35 avr 14 21:23:20 <jean7491>	and no idea about the financial balance
  36 avr 14 21:23:52 <JanC>	I'm pretty sure there was a loss
  37 avr 14 21:24:03 <sylvaintechnic>	good evening.
  38 avr 14 21:24:06 <JanC>	unless somebody gave 20 € or so in the afternoon
  39 avr 14 21:24:10 <jean7491>	JanC : did jonas take pictures ?
  40 avr 14 21:24:20 <JanC>	yes
  41 avr 14 21:24:22 <jurgentje>	hi sylvaintechnic
  42 avr 14 21:24:25 <jean7491>	hi sylvaintechnic
  43 avr 14 21:24:47 <jean7491>	other comment about ghent ?
  44 avr 14 21:25:14 <woutervddn>	hi sylvai
  45 avr 14 21:25:16 <woutervddn>	*n
  46 avr 14 21:25:20 <lofty40>	Hi everybody
  47 avr 14 21:25:31 <jurgentje>	hi lofty... (new name?)
  48 avr 14 21:25:39 <jean7491>	hi lofty40
  49 avr 14 21:26:04 <woutervddn>	o/
  50 avr 14 21:26:29 <JanC>	another thing about Ghent: most people already knew Ubuntu, so not many potential new users...
  51 avr 14 21:26:47 <jurgentje>	did you get questions for help?
  52 avr 14 21:27:01 <jean7491>	lofty40 : you are new in this meeting, where are you from ?
  53 avr 14 21:27:30 <jurgentje>	(and welcome btw, lofty40 ) :)
  54 avr 14 21:27:35 <JanC>	jurgentje: a couple, but often it's difficult to help people without access to their hardware...
  55 avr 14 21:27:47 <JanC>	especially in case of driver issues
  56 avr 14 21:27:54 <lofty40>	Not really new, It's my 2nd time in here. btw I'm from Waasmunster near Saint-nicolas
  57 avr 14 21:28:10 <jurgentje>	yep, that's a fact. Just asking what our impact is in supporting people.
  58 avr 14 21:28:12 <woutervddn>	hi lofty.. ^^
  59 avr 14 21:28:31 <jean7491>	lofty40 ... thanks!
  60 avr 14 21:28:31 <woutervddn>	I do agree with Jan..
  61 avr 14 21:28:51 <woutervddn>	in the end all we can tell them is: go use the forums provided on our website..
  62 avr 14 21:29:15 <JanC>	or IRC or go to a local computer club (if any) or ...
  63 avr 14 21:29:44 <lofty40>	contact a local support point ?
  64 avr 14 21:31:14 <woutervddn>	^yeah indeed.. although I have to admit I don't do that often..
  65 avr 14 21:31:17 <JanC>	another option
  66 avr 14 21:31:32 <jean7491>	if no other comment about dipro ghent, we continue with next event ...
  67 avr 14 21:31:56 <jean7491>	item #2   rewics (Rencontres Wallonnes de l'Internet Citoyen) charleroi  - 04/05/2011
  68 avr 14 21:32:09 <jean7491>	sylvaintechnic any comment ?
  69 avr 14 21:33:21 <sylvaintechnic>	for the moment, we are 2 for the booth. Adrien has a conference. Me too for EducOOo ;)
  70 avr 14 21:33:51 <jean7491>	i hope adrien will find other peoples !
  71 avr 14 21:34:00 <sylvaintechnic>	me too ;)
  72 avr 14 21:34:23 <jean7491>	next event ... item #3  dipro fair antwerp – 08/05/2011
  73 avr 14 21:34:44 <jean7491>	volunteers, pleade add your name in the wiki   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2011-05-08  (coordination: bram)
  74 avr 14 21:35:14 <jurgentje>	bad date... mother's day.
  75 avr 14 21:35:36 <jurgentje>	but in Antwerp, they celebrate Mother's day in August - so let's hope it's not an issue there
  76 avr 14 21:35:45 <woutervddn>	^ hehe indeed
  77 avr 14 21:35:56 <jean7491>	no other comment ?
  78 avr 14 21:36:23 <jean7491>	next event  ... item #4 release parties 11,04 ? do you know release parties planned by other associations? I only know brugge 
  79 avr 14 21:36:35 <jean7491>	release party 11.04 in Brugge – 11/05 (organized by wamukota)
  80 avr 14 21:37:29 <jean7491>	sylvain, no information from adrien on this item ?
  81 avr 14 21:38:02 <jean7491>	other comment about events ?
  82 avr 14 21:38:21 <sylvaintechnic>	jean7491:  I don't know. Adrien didn't say me
  83 avr 14 21:38:41 <jean7491>	ok, if no comment, next topic # 2. Promotion
  84 avr 14 21:38:50 <jean7491>	item #1 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011
  85 avr 14 21:38:59 <jean7491>	as the design is approved, we are looking for an order of 5000 flyers
  86 avr 14 21:39:22 <jean7491>	there is just a problem to convert the original file (which format?) in pdf/x-1a:2001 with cmyk colors as required
  87 avr 14 21:39:40 <jean7491>	i don't know how to do it (cmyk) in linux
  88 avr 14 21:39:49 <jean7491>	any idea ?
  89 avr 14 21:40:19 <woutervddn>	I 'll look in to it..
  90 avr 14 21:40:28 <woutervddn>	I'll post on the ML when done :)
  91 avr 14 21:40:52 <lofty40>	Last time I tried for printing purposes , I was obligated to use Windows
  92 avr 14 21:40:54 <woutervddn>	I believe I did it before but I 'll have to look for some things first..
  93 avr 14 21:41:49 <JanC>	Scribus should be able to do that ?
  94 avr 14 21:42:12 <jurgentje>	then you have to remake everything in Scribus :S
  95 avr 14 21:42:22 <JanC>	it was actually the first application on the market that supported PDF/X-1a:2001 IIRC  ;)
  96 avr 14 21:42:22 <woutervddn>	I don't think so..
  97 avr 14 21:42:50 <woutervddn>	AFAIK Inkscape and Scribus can handle the .svg's :)
  98 avr 14 21:43:06 <JanC>	Inkscape can't handle CMYK (on its own) though
  99 avr 14 21:43:32 <JanC>	but probably Scribus can convert it...
 100 avr 14 21:43:33 <jurgentje>	and RGB-SVG-files won't convert to CMYK in Scribus.
 101 avr 14 21:43:46 <JanC>	jurgentje: they won't?
 102 avr 14 21:44:17 <jurgentje>	afaik not... that conversion isn't straightforward
 103 avr 14 21:44:25 <woutervddn>	I'm pretty sure Inkscape can handle CMYK
 104 avr 14 21:44:41 <woutervddn>	maybe not export as CMYK but I does support it..
 105 avr 14 21:44:54 <JanC>	converting RGB <-> CMYK requires colour profiles, but Scribus supports that too
 106 avr 14 21:45:11 <JanC>	woutervddn: Inkscape can't handle CMYK
 107 avr 14 21:45:30 <JanC>	woutervddn: there might be an export plugin maybe?
 108 avr 14 21:45:31 <jurgentje>	it's been a while ago I really used Scribus - so can't answer for the more recent releases
 109 avr 14 21:45:34 <woutervddn>	:s
 110 avr 14 21:45:55 <woutervddn>	Draw a rectangle in Incscape, left under click edit fill and go to tab CMYK.. :s
 111 avr 14 21:46:24 <jurgentje>	no... import an inkscape file... and see if you can turn it to CMYK
 112 avr 14 21:47:12 <jean7491>	ok, we wait information from wouter or jurgentje on this issue of conversion, and continue the meeting
 113 avr 14 21:47:25 <jean7491>	item #2 promotion material for fairs/events - rollups
 114 avr 14 21:47:35 <jean7491>	are there suggestions/proposals/comments ?
 115 avr 14 21:48:34 <woutervddn>	I did hear something interesting about a company that makes rollups..
 116 avr 14 21:49:33 <woutervddn>	My uncle knows a guy somewhere (who might know a guy that knows a guy...) anyway I hope he can arrange something :p
 117 avr 14 21:49:56 <JanC>	the frame that Nero got from a company looks nice
 118 avr 14 21:50:42 <JanC>	not a rollup, but a bunch of alluminium tubes to put something much sturdier than a rollup together  ☺
 119 avr 14 21:50:53 <woutervddn>	janC : a frame as in a frame without the fabric?
 120 avr 14 21:50:56 <woutervddn>	ow :p
 121 avr 14 21:51:10 <JanC>	there is something to stick posters etc. on too
 122 avr 14 21:51:28 <JanC>	I have only seen it on pictures
 123 avr 14 21:51:31 <woutervddn>	wow.. seems like some decent material..
 124 avr 14 21:51:45 <jean7491>	is it the thing from canonical ?
 125 avr 14 21:51:56 <JanC>	no
 126 avr 14 21:52:03 <JanC>	that one is at my place
 127 avr 14 21:52:17 <JanC>	Nero said that one is very unstable
 128 avr 14 21:53:03 <JanC>	at least, compared to what he has in Mechelen  ☺
 129 avr 14 21:53:19 <jean7491>	what you discribed is an x-banner
 130 avr 14 21:54:45 <jean7491>	if nero answers to my mails, i can ask details 
 131 avr 14 21:54:57 <jurgentje>	is this based on the same size/format?
 132 avr 14 21:55:55 <jean7491>	no idea
 133 avr 14 21:56:09 *	RamiAdrien (~adrien@78.129.23.239) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 134 avr 14 21:56:33 <jurgentje>	because I think we really have to make a decision... or otherwise we still won't have a banner by Christmas 2025. :p
 135 avr 14 21:57:25 <JanC>	Nero's "booth frame" is bigger than a roll-up
 136 avr 14 21:57:46 <woutervddn>	the bigger the better :p (unless you've got to cram everything inside of a little fiat)
 137 avr 14 21:57:56 <JanC>	but probably more expensive to buy too  ;)
 138 avr 14 21:57:56 <jurgentje>	shouldn't we then just stick the the rollup?
 139 avr 14 21:58:39 <JanC>	unless we can build something like that ourselves...
 140 avr 14 21:58:50 <jean7491>	i saw in drukland.be 1 rollup = 45 euros +vat + port = 63 euros
 141 avr 14 21:58:55 <woutervddn>	If we get someone to produce the booth frame for a cheap price it worth looking at it :p
 142 avr 14 21:59:25 <jurgentje>	I'm not going to redesign the poster... this is something very frustrating if you work as a volunteer. I've put quite a few hours in making this design. And I can imagine I will think again if a design challenge is posted on Ubuntu-be
 143 avr 14 21:59:26 <JanC>	maybe Nero can provide more detailed pictures
 144 avr 14 22:00:28 <jean7491>	JanC : can you ask nero for it ?
 145 avr 14 22:00:34 <JanC>	jurgentje: the poster design might still be useful
 146 avr 14 22:01:22 <woutervddn>	indeed..
 147 avr 14 22:01:29 <JanC>	I'll see Nero when he brings back my stuff that I left behind at Dipro Ghent
 148 avr 14 22:02:29 <JanC>	so, I can ask then (or earlier when we discuss when he will bring it)
 149 avr 14 22:02:39 <jean7491>	ok, imho what i understand about the material from nero is that it is not in replacement of a rollup ...
 150 avr 14 22:03:11 <woutervddn>	it can be an addition though :)
 151 avr 14 22:03:14 <jean7491>	certainly if we have to find someone who is working on that
 152 avr 14 22:03:55 <jean7491>	and btw we will have (for the rollup) the same problem of format as for the flyer
 153 avr 14 22:04:00 <jurgentje>	okay... so just to get it clear... we're going to make (1 or more) rollups and an x-banner... but we're noticing a decrease of participation/success on Dipro (our main event base).
 154 avr 14 22:05:13 <jean7491>	sofar we are preparing at least 1 rollup-project ...
 155 avr 14 22:05:20 <woutervddn>	jurgentje I hope that once we've got the lay out figured out that we can do more then just dipro's :)
 156 avr 14 22:05:42 <jurgentje>	:)
 157 avr 14 22:05:44 <jean7491>	how many ? i don't know ...
 158 avr 14 22:06:03 <jean7491>	and it is for all events, not just dipro fairs
 159 avr 14 22:06:30 <JanC>	yes, can be used at LUG or computer club events, etc.
 160 avr 14 22:06:54 <JanC>	free software day...
 161 avr 14 22:07:00 <jurgentje>	obviously... and we do have enough volunteers for this? (and means to distribute the rollup)
 162 avr 14 22:07:22 <JanC>	jurgentje: sometimes
 163 avr 14 22:07:34 <JanC>	as it has always been...
 164 avr 14 22:07:59 <woutervddn>	jurgentje: it only needs  3 people to have a great project: A leader, A pationate person and A realist :)
 165 avr 14 22:08:08 <jurgentje>	sorry, I'll shut up for a little while, I'm noticing I'm whining.
 166 avr 14 22:08:16 <woutervddn>	=p
 167 avr 14 22:09:16 <jean7491>	wouter : you saw the price for rollup from drukland, it is afaik the lowest price, but no idea about quality
 168 avr 14 22:12:27 *	RamiAdrien est parti (Quit: Leaving.)
 169 avr 14 22:12:49 <jean7491>	we continue with next topic ...
 170 avr 14 22:13:03 <jean7491>	next topic # 3. update wiki and  web-site
 171 avr 14 22:13:08 <jean7491>	wiki:   suggestions?
 172 avr 14 22:14:11 <jean7491>	or web-site: suggestion ?
 173 avr 14 22:14:40 <woutervddn>	Not one that isn't said before :)
 174 avr 14 22:15:31 <jean7491>	if no comment/suggestion,  next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ?
 175 avr 14 22:16:15 <jean7491>	item # 1 -  laying some foundations or ubuntu-be needs a structure and an organization
 176 avr 14 22:16:43 *	jurgen_ (~jurgen@94-227-10-80.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 177 avr 14 22:16:55 <jean7491>	any comment about the proposal?    and about the irl meeting ?
 178 avr 14 22:17:00 *	jurgentje est parti (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 179 avr 14 22:17:07 *	jurgen_ s'appelle maintenant Jurgentje
 180 avr 14 22:17:23 <Jurgentje>	sorry, got a disconnect
 181 avr 14 22:17:32 <woutervddn>	I'd like to see someone else who also has access to the U-be bank account..
 182 avr 14 22:17:33 <Jurgentje>	I had a suggestion for the website:
 183 avr 14 22:18:18 <jean7491>	Jurgentje ?
 184 avr 14 22:18:23 <Jurgentje>	maybe have a small poll: what are the reasons for you not participating in the IRC-meetings? (options: I don't know IRC - I don't have time - topics don't interest me - I know nobody - etc...)
 185 avr 14 22:19:17 <woutervddn>	that could be a good thing to do..
 186 avr 14 22:19:34 <Jurgentje>	more options: I don't speak English well enough - topics go too slow - ...
 187 avr 14 22:19:40 <woutervddn>	on the other hand, I don't know if having many people on this meeting would result in a better meeting..
 188 avr 14 22:19:41 <JanC>	"I didn't know there were IRC meetings"  ;)
 189 avr 14 22:19:49 <woutervddn>	^ lol indeed
 190 avr 14 22:20:02 <Jurgentje>	voila... just so we can figure out how we can improve the community feeling/activity
 191 avr 14 22:20:09 <JanC>	peopel should be able to check multiple options then
 192 avr 14 22:20:21 <Jurgentje>	yep, indeed
 193 avr 14 22:20:55 <woutervddn>	jurgentje, can you make a bug out of it on the launchpad?
 194 avr 14 22:20:58 <Jurgentje>	I think this kind of form kan be made pretty easily in Drupal (I know how to do it in Joomla, but I'm not a Drupal expert
 195 avr 14 22:21:26 <JanC>	yeah, I'm sure there are plugins for that, if it isn't built-in already
 196 avr 14 22:21:30 <woutervddn>	it can be done but I don't think I can do the multipple box checking.. :)
 197 avr 14 22:21:41 <JanC>	are tehre any drupal "experts" here?
 198 avr 14 22:21:44 <Jurgentje>	well, not as a poll, but as a form
 199 avr 14 22:22:18 <woutervddn>	afaik pierre uses drupal in his work.. :)
 200 avr 14 22:22:25 <jean7491>	what is the aim of the poll or form ? do you hope an improvement for the planned meeting ?
 201 avr 14 22:22:37 <JanC>	yes, but pierre doesn't have a lot of time  ;)
 202 avr 14 22:22:52 <woutervddn>	indeed..
 203 avr 14 22:23:08 <Jurgentje>	the aim is to know why people don't participate in this meeting - which is concidered as a key meeting in our community
 204 avr 14 22:23:16 <woutervddn>	Well he send me a link on twitter about a project with the drupal community.. I'm planning on looking in to it
 205 avr 14 22:23:43 <woutervddn>	(as drupal is worlds No. 1 CMS and A belgian product!)
 206 avr 14 22:23:44 <Jurgentje>	stupid question: what's the launchpad page to submit a bug to Ubuntu-be?
 207 avr 14 22:23:59 <woutervddn>	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium
 208 avr 14 22:25:35 <woutervddn>	1 more thing about the team layout..
 209 avr 14 22:26:16 <jean7491>	how many people announced a participation to the meeting ?
 210 avr 14 22:26:37 <woutervddn>	how do you mean jean?
 211 avr 14 22:27:08 <woutervddn>	I used to be against a fix commitment time for a member with serious tasks, but the more I think about it, the more I like it.
 212 avr 14 22:27:16 <Jurgentje>	I think 4 or 5 ...
 213 avr 14 22:27:58 <woutervddn>	You can't say what you'll be doing in 1 year, so having some kind of fix date to resign (or reapply) would be good to keep active people in all functions..
 214 avr 14 22:28:37 <Jurgentje>	+1
 215 avr 14 22:29:19 <Jurgentje>	obviously not all volunteers must commit for a year... only the "leadership team" should be pretty reliable.
 216 avr 14 22:29:47 <woutervddn>	indeed..
 217 avr 14 22:30:30 <woutervddn>	I mean, not everyone keeps having time to volunteer with U-be, giving them a fix time frame to work with isn't a bad thing..
 218 avr 14 22:31:51 <Jurgentje>	okay... is there anyone disagreeing on this point?
 219 avr 14 22:31:58 <jean7491>	imho new email repeating the invitation is necessary - for the meeting, 8 to 10 people, including key functions, is enough
 220 avr 14 22:32:31 <Jurgentje>	Okay... I'll send a new mail right now... and attach a doodle to it :)
 221 avr 14 22:33:25 <jean7491>	JanC any idea about the meeting ?
 222 avr 14 22:37:50 <jean7491>	other comment about this item ?
 223 avr 14 22:38:09 <jean7491>	organization and meeting ?
 224 avr 14 22:38:40 <jean7491>	JanC : any comment ?
 225 avr 14 22:39:20 <woutervddn>	I think he's afkg
 226 avr 14 22:39:22 <woutervddn>	*afk
 227 avr 14 22:39:56 <jean7491>	are there other questions not in the agenda ? (except next meeting)
 228 avr 14 22:40:59 <JanC>	sorry, back
 229 avr 14 22:41:06 <woutervddn>	:p
 230 avr 14 22:41:08 <Jurgentje>	wouter: is the issue of "1 year commitments" already on the wiki page?
 231 avr 14 22:41:28 <JanC>	are we talkign about moving the IRL meeting to another date?
 232 avr 14 22:41:35 <Jurgentje>	nope
 233 avr 14 22:41:53 <woutervddn>	sorry didn't read that apperantly..
 234 avr 14 22:41:57 <JanC>	ah, because of the doodle
 235 avr 14 22:42:25 <Jurgentje>	nope, just to get a clear view on who's coming.
 236 avr 14 22:43:36 <JanC>	okay  ☺
 237 avr 14 22:43:55 <Jurgentje>	please add your names too :)
 238 avr 14 22:44:30 <jean7491>	other comment on the meeting or other questions ?
 239 avr 14 22:45:01 <woutervddn>	about the meeting :p
 240 avr 14 22:45:20 <Jurgentje>	?
 241 avr 14 22:45:21 <woutervddn>	do we meet at the station or does someone come to pick up those who come by train? :p
 242 avr 14 22:46:29 <JanC>	I think Jurgentje said he could pick people up if needed
 243 avr 14 22:47:03 <Jurgentje>	yep, I can go by the station... Goedele can open the door if nobody is here yet. (but she probably won't stay as she's not that into Ubuntu
 244 avr 14 22:47:29 <sylvaintechnic>	good night
 245 avr 14 22:47:37 <Jurgentje>	good night
 246 avr 14 22:47:59 <woutervddn>	gn
 247 avr 14 22:48:05 <Jurgentje>	good night
 248 avr 14 22:48:07 <jean7491>	if no question, ... last topic, next irc meeting ? is it possible on thursday 21/04/2011 at 21 h. ?
 249 avr 14 22:48:22 <woutervddn>	ok for me.. :)
 250 avr 14 22:48:30 *	sylvaintechnic est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 251 avr 14 22:48:34 <Jurgentje>	ok for me.
 252 avr 14 22:49:10 <jean7491>	JanC ?
 253 avr 14 22:50:24 <jean7491>	end of meeting, bye lofty40, thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !