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   1 avr 28 21:00:29 <jurgentje>	Mmmm... enjoy the sound of silence...
   2 avr 28 21:01:33 <jean7491>	hi to all, who is here for the meeting ?
   3 avr 28 21:01:41 <massimo21>	 
   4 avr 28 21:02:04 <clamam>	i am
   5 avr 28 21:02:08 <Wamukota>	me too
   6 avr 28 21:02:15 <pvandewyngaer>	me three
   7 avr 28 21:03:28 <jean7491>	hi massimo21 clamam jurgentje pvandewyngaer Wamukota
   8 avr 28 21:03:49 <jurgentje>	I am :)
   9 avr 28 21:03:57 <jurgentje>	Anyone heard from Wouter?
  10 avr 28 21:04:11 <jean7491>	nothing
  11 avr 28 21:04:40 <pvandewyngaer>	is that his IRC name ?
  12 avr 28 21:04:48 <jurgentje>	woutervddn
  13 avr 28 21:04:57 <jean7491>	sylvaintechnic ? JanC ? 
  14 avr 28 21:05:12 <sylvaintechnic>	hello
  15 avr 28 21:05:34 <sylvaintechnic>	sorry, i make a video montage in the same time ;)
  16 avr 28 21:05:55 <JanC>	o/
  17 avr 28 21:06:16 <jean7491>	hi sylvaintechnic  JanC  
  18 avr 28 21:07:49 <jean7491>	sylvaintechnic : what about adrien ?
  19 avr 28 21:08:13 <pvandewyngaer>	he is online on skype
  20 avr 28 21:08:36 <sylvaintechnic>	yes and also on gmail ;)
  21 avr 28 21:08:43 <sylvaintechnic>	he arrive
  22 avr 28 21:09:39 <jurgentje>	ah, nice. lol! I called his GSM, and he's not there :)
  23 avr 28 21:09:57 <jean7491>	no , he is on skype !
  24 avr 28 21:10:10 <jean7491>	perhaps
  25 avr 28 21:10:39 <jean7491>	let's start topic #1.  events 
  26 avr 28 21:10:57 <jean7491>	tem #1   rewics (Rencontres Wallonnes de l'Internet Citoyen) charleroi  - 04/05/2011 : we wait for adrien, ...
  27 avr 28 21:11:08 <jean7491>	item #2  dipro fair antwerp – 08/05/2011 ...
  28 avr 28 21:11:19 <jean7491>	we urgently need volunteers for the stand, ...
  29 avr 28 21:11:26 <jurgentje>	okay... I'm afraid we don't have a crew for that one :s
  30 avr 28 21:11:46 <jean7491>	so far team = 1 ...
  31 avr 28 21:11:59 <jurgentje>	and 1 = 0
  32 avr 28 21:12:02 <jurgentje>	:p
  33 avr 28 21:12:55 <jean7491>	if no progress to minimum team = 4 on tuesday, we will have to cancel !
  34 avr 28 21:13:57 *	test114 (50c9991a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.201.153.26) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  35 avr 28 21:14:02 <jean7491>	item #3 release parties 11,04 ? no further information
  36 avr 28 21:14:08 <jean7491>	release party 11.04 in Brugge – 11/05 (organized by wamukota) 
  37 avr 28 21:14:24 <jean7491>	comment from Wamukota ?
  38 avr 28 21:14:31 <Wamukota>	evertything is ready for the 11th
  39 avr 28 21:14:41 <Wamukota>	we have wifi, the room, a bar
  40 avr 28 21:14:58 <jurgentje>	nice :)
  41 avr 28 21:15:13 <Wamukota>	just a few volunteers to demo Natty, but I think JanC is looking for them also
  42 avr 28 21:15:25 <jean7491>	JanC ?
  43 avr 28 21:15:41 *	test114 est parti (Client Quit)
  44 avr 28 21:15:50 <Wamukota>	yes, he comes also
  45 avr 28 21:16:21 <jean7491>	are there other ubunteros from brugge ?
  46 avr 28 21:16:25 <Wamukota>	the only thing I need to do is to try to contact the press
  47 avr 28 21:16:28 <JanC>	I sent a mail to Wamukota earlier this week, but haven't read my mail today for answers  ☺
  48 avr 28 21:16:56 <JanC>	Wamukota: I can contact Frank if needed
  49 avr 28 21:17:18 <JanC>	Wamukota: and pvandewyngaer will maybe come too?
  50 avr 28 21:17:24 <Wamukota>	JanC, ok, that was what i asked in the mail, I look for a pres reporter
  51 avr 28 21:17:35 <pvandewyngaer>	yes, normally i will be there
  52 avr 28 21:17:58 <JanC>	Wamukota: he's a press reporter, but
  53 avr 28 21:18:07 <JanC>	*but maybe not for all press
  54 avr 28 21:18:21 <JanC>	I can ask him
  55 avr 28 21:18:28 <JanC>	wil check mail later  ☺
  56 avr 28 21:18:29 <Wamukota>	k, nice
  57 avr 28 21:18:54 <jean7491>	about hardware ?
  58 avr 28 21:19:04 <Wamukota>	I have netbook and laptop
  59 avr 28 21:19:08 *	RamiAdrien (~adrien@78.129.23.239) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  60 avr 28 21:19:16 <Wamukota>	there is a beamer in the club
  61 avr 28 21:19:29 <RamiAdrien>	hi all
  62 avr 28 21:19:31 <RamiAdrien>	sorry im late
  63 avr 28 21:19:34 <JanC>	I think there isn't a *large* space for demo hardware
  64 avr 28 21:19:58 <Wamukota>	no, there isn't, but i do not expect 25 people plus ...
  65 avr 28 21:20:05 <jean7491>	hi RamiAdrien
  66 avr 28 21:20:16 <jean7491>	other comment for brugge ?
  67 avr 28 21:20:27 <JanC>	Wamukota: do you expect any library/school people?
  68 avr 28 21:20:53 <JanC>	(maybe we can get a multiseat from Guy)
  69 avr 28 21:20:58 <Wamukota>	I haven't thought of them. So I'll look if I can contact somebody
  70 avr 28 21:21:01 <JanC>	a small one, I mean
  71 avr 28 21:21:20 <JanC>	not a 14-seat  ;-)
  72 avr 28 21:22:25 <Wamukota>	that's all for the moment from me, jean7491
  73 avr 28 21:23:13 <JanC>	I guess we can mail for the rest  ☺
  74 avr 28 21:23:22 <Wamukota>	k
  75 avr 28 21:23:24 <JanC>	so, let's move on
  76 avr 28 21:23:40 <jean7491>	ok item #1   rewics (Rencontres Wallonnes de l'Internet Citoyen) charleroi  - 04/05/2011
  77 avr 28 21:23:40 <jean7491>	coordination: adrien
  78 avr 28 21:23:53 <jean7491>	adrien : comment ?
  79 avr 28 21:24:57 <RamiAdrien>	All is ok for the rewics about organisation
  80 avr 28 21:25:27 <RamiAdrien>	And i enough volunteer
  81 avr 28 21:26:00 <jean7491>	ok, other comment about events ?
  82 avr 28 21:26:33 <jean7491>	next topic # 2. Promotion
  83 avr 28 21:26:40 <jean7491>	 item #1 promotion material for fairs/events - flyers 2011 
  84 avr 28 21:26:58 <jean7491>	 in the website  http://www.drukland.be/helpdesk.aspx about “hoe moet ik mijn bestand leveren” I see that jped 300 dpi certified is accepted with “Uw afbeeldingen in CMYK (eurostandard coated) met resolutie van 300 dpi”
  85 avr 28 21:28:17 <jean7491>	pdf is not mandatory : if someone can convert the rgb .svg file to jpeg 300 dpi cmyk, it should be enough
  86 avr 28 21:28:53 <jean7491>	if someone has idea, please mail me !
  87 avr 28 21:29:02 <jean7491>	item #2 promotion material for fairs/events – rollups : no information – I propose to skip this item
  88 avr 28 21:29:19 <jurgentje>	one question: what are we waiting for?
  89 avr 28 21:29:31 <jurgentje>	can't we send it to the printing company?
  90 avr 28 21:30:39 <jean7491>	yes, but if ready, i will first ask confirmation from the treasurer mark
  91 avr 28 21:31:09 <jurgentje>	mailto:kafka@ubuntu-be.org? ;)
  92 avr 28 21:31:25 *	jan_ (~jan@d54C24007.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  93 avr 28 21:31:44 <jean7491>	 can you convert the rgb .svg file to jpeg 300 dpi cmyk ?
  94 avr 28 21:31:56 *	jan_ est parti (Client Quit)
  95 avr 28 21:32:20 *	jan_ (~jan@d54C24007.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
  96 avr 28 21:32:37 <jean7491>	i am waiting for the conversion !
  97 avr 28 21:32:37 <jurgentje>	I turned the file into Scribus CMYK... JanC, did get it into a CMYK PDF?
  98 avr 28 21:33:24 <jurgentje>	okay... and if it can't be done? what happens then?
  99 avr 28 21:33:37 *	jan_ est parti (Client Quit)
 100 avr 28 21:34:00 *	jan_ (~jan@d54C24007.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 101 avr 28 21:34:08 <jean7491>	nobody can (with linux) convert it ? 
 102 avr 28 21:34:50 <jurgentje>	nobody present afaik
 103 avr 28 21:35:10 <JanC>	I thought jurgentje already converted the image before?
 104 avr 28 21:35:13 <jean7491>	from scribus can you export in jpg 300 dpi cmyk ?
 105 avr 28 21:35:19 *	jan_ est parti (Client Quit)
 106 avr 28 21:35:53 <JanC>	eh, didn't he have a CMYK image already
 107 avr 28 21:36:03 <JanC>	?
 108 avr 28 21:36:21 <JanC>	before importing into Scribus?
 109 avr 28 21:36:21 <jurgentje>	Yep... I can convert bitmap files through a site... but max 2 megabytes or so...
 110 avr 28 21:36:35 <JanC>	ah
 111 avr 28 21:36:39 *	jan_ (~jan@d54C24007.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 112 avr 28 21:36:45 <JanC>	well, we can convert ourselves
 113 avr 28 21:36:58 <jurgentje>	http://www.rgb2cmyk.org/  <- this site is what I used (and limit is 5 MiB)
 114 avr 28 21:37:50 <jurgentje>	okay then... JanC, can you turn the Inkscape file into CMYK?
 115 avr 28 21:37:56 <jurgentje>	because I can't
 116 avr 28 21:39:10 <pvandewyngaer>	what is the current design ?
 117 avr 28 21:41:08 <jurgentje>	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsRollup2011  <- last one
 118 avr 28 21:41:12 <jurgentje>	with big question mark
 119 avr 28 21:41:39 <jurgentje>	svg-file is online (possibly you have to switch some layers)
 120 avr 28 21:41:57 <jean7491>	wait, we are speaking about the flyer
 121 avr 28 21:42:38 <jurgentje>	21:26  item #2 promotion material for fairs/events – rollups : no information – I propose to skip this item
 122 avr 28 21:42:50 *	woutervddn (~woutervdd@d54C1A7ED.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
 123 avr 28 21:43:12 <woutervddn>	hi guys.. :)
 124 avr 28 21:43:15 <jurgentje>	I responded to that line... if you really want to stick to CMYK for drukland, then I guess you have to solve the colorspace issue...
 125 avr 28 21:43:23 <jurgentje>	hi woutervddn
 126 avr 28 21:43:24 <clamam>	hi wouter
 127 avr 28 21:43:39 <jean7491>	pvandewyngaer i send you the design
 128 avr 28 21:43:46 <woutervddn>	I'm not staying (working out the last things for the funeral tomorrow)
 129 avr 28 21:44:05 <woutervddn>	anyways, just comming to say that I'm not a candidate for the council :)
 130 avr 28 21:44:27 <jean7491>	ok
 131 avr 28 21:44:36 <woutervddn>	Although I will put my efford in some of the sub-teams..
 132 avr 28 21:44:43 *	jan_ est parti (Quit: Ik ga weg)
 133 avr 28 21:45:16 *	woutervddn will leave this open but is afk..
 134 avr 28 21:45:29 <jean7491>	 if you really want to stick to CMYK for drukland, then I guess you have to solve the colorspace issue...it is not the issue, flyer.be asks the same cmyk, as all printing companies, asaik
 135 avr 28 21:46:08 <jean7491>	in 2009, the flyer was finally prepare with windows (i suppose)
 136 avr 28 21:46:39 <jean7491>	and the guy who did it is no more answering to emails
 137 avr 28 21:46:42 <jurgentje>	I don't think f.e. VUB copycenter has same restrictions
 138 avr 28 21:48:31 *	Wamukota est parti (Quit: Ik ga weg)
 139 avr 28 21:48:40 <jean7491>	feel free to propose other solution !
 140 avr 28 21:49:02 <jurgentje>	Price is € 0.3 per A4 in full color print (for staff - and my wife is) :)
 141 avr 28 21:49:44 <jurgentje>	they "prefer PDF" :)
 142 avr 28 21:49:50 <jean7491>	ok and for 5000 A6 135gr paper ?
 143 avr 28 21:50:46 <jurgentje>	I'll ask the question... :)
 144 avr 28 21:51:12 <jean7491>	I propose to go first to the meeting in vilvoorde, the report and what to do now? 
 145 avr 28 21:52:11 <jean7491>	topic #4 item # 1 -  laying some foundations or ubuntu-be needs a structure and an organization
 146 avr 28 21:52:18 <jurgentje>	ok
 147 avr 28 21:52:25 <jean7491>	9 persons were present and 4 well interested canceled their participation for several reasons
 148 avr 28 21:52:36 <jean7491>	the  report from the meeting was sent to the mailing list 27/04 at 15.39 and is vailable here http://ubuntu-be.org/fr/content/564/vilvoorde-25042011
 149 avr 28 21:53:07 <RamiAdrien>	or here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PastMeetings/Vilvoorde_2011-04-25
 150 avr 28 21:53:24 <jurgentje>	lol! ... and on the mailinglist :)
 151 avr 28 21:53:33 <jean7491>	ok
 152 avr 28 21:53:46 <jean7491>	the composition of the coucil is not yet finalized it was decided to delay the vote for the nomination of 5 members to include the 4 well interested
 153 avr 28 21:55:09 <jean7491>	we still have no answer from mark and massimo21 if they are candidates for the council?
 154 avr 28 21:55:18 <massimo21>	not for me
 155 avr 28 21:55:28 <jurgentje>	Wouter is? Great! :)
 156 avr 28 21:55:52 <jean7491>	we still have no answer from mark
 157 avr 28 21:56:27 <pvandewyngaer>	jurgentje: woutervddn isn't a candidate:  <woutervddn> anyways, just comming to say that I'm not a candidate for the council :)
 158 avr 28 21:56:44 <jean7491>	idd
 159 avr 28 21:57:49 *	sylvaintechnic est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 160 avr 28 21:59:12 <jean7491>	question is the confirmation of the 5 candidates during the meeting and the answer from mark ...
 161 avr 28 21:59:36 <jurgentje>	ah, too bad. :(
 162 avr 28 21:59:41 <jurgentje>	he had my vote.
 163 avr 28 22:00:17 <clamam>	i also told jean that i dont want to be a part of the council, ubuntu is just a hobby and i can help where i can with organisation of booth's and other stuff.
 164 avr 28 22:00:39 <jean7491>	if mark says yes, we need to vote, ... if not vote is not necessary
 165 avr 28 22:01:17 <jurgentje>	mmm... it's too late in the night to call him on the phone, I guess... :)
 166 avr 28 22:01:53 <pvandewyngaer>	skype/mail/sms/twitter/facebook ?? ..
 167 avr 28 22:02:35 *	jan_ (~jan@84.194.64.7) a rejoint #ubuntu-be
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 169 avr 28 22:03:59 <jean7491>	i sent him a mail
 170 avr 28 22:04:20 <jean7491>	sometimes he reacts ...
 171 avr 28 22:05:22 <jean7491>	JanC : what do you think about this issue ?
 172 avr 28 22:06:37 <jean7491>	JanC your opinion ?
 173 avr 28 22:07:17 <JanC>	I think he might still come on-line on jabber
 174 avr 28 22:07:37 <JanC>	he asked a question earlier today
 175 avr 28 22:07:50 <JanC>	about a "vzw"
 176 avr 28 22:08:22 <JanC>	but he teaches in a music schol in the afternoon & until 21-22h I think
 177 avr 28 22:08:27 <JanC>	school
 178 avr 28 22:09:15 <jurgentje>	okay... then maybe we should wait a little while?
 179 avr 28 22:09:32 <jean7491>	yes
 180 avr 28 22:09:40 <jurgentje>	next topics?
 181 avr 28 22:09:44 <JanC>	I think he waits for my answer  ☺
 182 avr 28 22:10:06 <jurgentje>	no special items on the ML, I think?
 183 avr 28 22:10:17 <jurgentje>	JanC, you mean he's in favor of a VZW?
 184 avr 28 22:10:45 <jurgentje>	and participation depends on that point?
 185 avr 28 22:10:47 <JanC>	jurgentje: he asked a question if that was what we wanted
 186 avr 28 22:11:02 <jurgentje>	ironic, since that's what that council will discuss :)
 187 avr 28 22:11:05 <JanC>	I don't thing he's in favor per sé
 188 avr 28 22:11:11 <jurgentje>	we're stuck in an eternal loop :)
 189 avr 28 22:11:27 <JanC>	it was just a question  ;)
 190 avr 28 22:12:36 <JanC>	I'll see later what his opinion is, but in the past he wasn't in favour of it  ;)
 191 avr 28 22:12:48 <jean7491>	JanC : can you call him and ask him is he is candidate for the first council? that is not yet the step to vzw, and he can be candidate in 12 months
 192 avr 28 22:13:10 <jean7491>	for the 2d council
 193 avr 28 22:13:46 <jean7491>	waiting for the answer ... update of the wiki ...
 194 avr 28 22:15:01 <JanC>	I'll see when he comes on-line
 195 avr 28 22:15:01 <jean7491>	the council should be discribed in the wiki page BelgianTeam/Responsibility
 196 avr 28 22:15:40 <jean7491>	with  link to a page Mission statement and details
 197 avr 28 22:16:41 <jean7491>	and i understood that a sub-team will be created in launchpad
 198 avr 28 22:17:01 <jean7491>	a sub-team "council"
 199 avr 28 22:17:35 <jurgentje>	as I understood, sub-team will be created by the council, according to the need and availability?
 200 avr 28 22:18:21 <jean7491>	yes, but it was a different topic ...
 201 avr 28 22:19:27 <jean7491>	i think that pierre proposed to created a launchpad group (sub-team) for the council
 202 avr 28 22:20:18 <jurgentje>	oops, sorry... I read wrong.
 203 avr 28 22:20:27 <jurgentje>	indeed, that was the plan.
 204 avr 28 22:20:37 <jean7491>	ok
 205 avr 28 22:21:36 <massimo21>	have to go
 206 avr 28 22:21:40 <massimo21>	good night
 207 avr 28 22:21:52 <jurgentje>	nity nite
 208 avr 28 22:21:53 *	massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.116.166) a quitté #ubuntu-be
 209 avr 28 22:22:18 <jean7491>	i assume that the 5 members of the council will start to communicate internaly about what to do ...
 210 avr 28 22:23:03 <pvandewyngaer>	if i remember correctly we wil also create a mailing list
 211 avr 28 22:23:10 <jurgentje>	idd
 212 avr 28 22:23:15 <pvandewyngaer>	also used to contact the council
 213 avr 28 22:23:45 <jean7491>	still pending: composition of the council limited to the 5 from vilvoorde if mark is candidate ...
 214 avr 28 22:24:01 <jurgentje>	council a ubuntu-be dot org seems like a nice idea? ;)
 215 avr 28 22:25:03 <JanC>	that can be arranged
 216 avr 28 22:25:05 *	woutervddn est parti (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 217 avr 28 22:25:16 <pvandewyngaer>	ok, the spambots can start picking up the adres
 218 avr 28 22:25:30 <JanC>	this channel is not logged (yet)  ;)
 219 avr 28 22:25:37 <JanC>	at least not publicly
 220 avr 28 22:25:57 <jurgentje>	hehe... so let's remove that line if we paste into the reports
 221 avr 28 22:26:47 <jean7491>	ok, i'll try to remember it 
 222 avr 28 22:26:48 <JanC>	most spam never reaches *my* mailbox, but yeah  ;)
 223 avr 28 22:27:31 <jean7491>	i have 2 other points : 1. new members in launchpad 2. about cd's and support points ... can we discuss the 2 points ?
 224 avr 28 22:27:42 <jurgentje>	okayh
 225 avr 28 22:27:54 <jean7491>	item # 2 - membership belgian loco team on launchpad : welcome to new member  nero,  Jelle Verbist and Tubuntu
 226 avr 28 22:28:03 <jean7491>	does anyone know Jelle Verbist and Tubuntu ?
 227 avr 28 22:28:28 <jurgentje>	Wow! Nero wasn't member yet? lol! ... don't know the other 2µ
 228 avr 28 22:29:57 <JanC>	I made nero a member during the meeting on Monday  ;)
 229 avr 28 22:30:18 <jean7491>	ok for nero ... about cd's and support points : support points started to ask cd's from the loco team in replacement of the canonical cd's
 230 avr 28 22:30:52 <JanC>	it's complicated
 231 avr 28 22:30:57 <jean7491>	the point could be discussed by the council, but what to do now ?
 232 avr 28 22:31:26 <JanC>	no problem sending CDs to 5 support points, but what if 100 ask for CDs ?
 233 avr 28 22:31:50 <pvandewyngaer>	maybe 1 official point per province
 234 avr 28 22:31:58 <jean7491>	imho the canonical cd's are more representative for events ...
 235 avr 28 22:32:36 <JanC>	and as said during the meeting: many requesting CDs are "collectors"
 236 avr 28 22:32:44 <jean7491>	but we could pass home burned cd's to suport points through events 
 237 avr 28 22:33:05 <jean7491>	through events , dipro, ...
 238 avr 28 22:33:06 <JanC>	if they happen to be there
 239 avr 28 22:33:23 <jean7491>	idd , other solution ?
 240 avr 28 22:33:28 <jurgentje>	I would hope that support points could burn CD's themselves
 241 avr 28 22:34:11 <JanC>	one solution might be to make our own CDs & sell them...
 242 avr 28 22:34:31 <JanC>	maybe cooperate with ubuntu-nl & ubuntu-fr about that
 243 avr 28 22:34:50 <JanC>	(cooperating with ubuntu-fr should be easy)
 244 avr 28 22:34:50 <pvandewyngaer>	until 11.04.1 comes out with all the bugfixes
 245 avr 28 22:35:06 <JanC>	there will be no 11.04.1
 246 avr 28 22:35:15 <JanC>	only LTS has point releases
 247 avr 28 22:35:44 <JanC>	it would also be more a solution for natty+1
 248 avr 28 22:36:04 <clamam>	natty+1?
 249 avr 28 22:36:19 <JanC>	oneiric
 250 avr 28 22:36:35 <JanC>	clamam: the release after natty
 251 avr 28 22:36:49 <JanC>	sorry for using cryptic references  ;)
 252 avr 28 22:37:04 <JanC>	so 11.10
 253 avr 28 22:37:23 <clamam>	ok
 254 avr 28 22:37:28 <pvandewyngaer>	so natty + 0,6 :-)
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 262 avr 28 22:41:50 <jurgentje>	sorry pplz... I got disconnected
 263 avr 28 22:41:51 <JanC>	I can ask ubuntu-nl if they are interrested in cooperation on CDs
 264 avr 28 22:42:11 <markvandenborre>	hi
 265 avr 28 22:42:14 <jean7491>	btw, 2 questions were already sent, we should answer something
 266 avr 28 22:42:37 <jean7491>	hi markvandenborre
 267 avr 28 22:42:51 <markvandenborre>	been working from 9am this morning straight until 1h ago
 268 avr 28 22:42:53 <markvandenborre>	...
 269 avr 28 22:42:59 <jurgentje>	:)
 270 avr 28 22:43:05 <jean7491>	sorry 
 271 avr 28 22:43:08 <JanC>	jean7491: we don't have official CDs yet, so in any case they will have to wait...
 272 avr 28 22:43:09 <jurgentje>	cool to come over :)
 273 avr 28 22:43:10 <pvandewyngaer>	hi markvandenborre, np
 274 avr 28 22:43:12 <markvandenborre>	hey, no problem
 275 avr 28 22:43:22 <JanC>	jean7491: or burn them themselves
 276 avr 28 22:43:58 <jean7491>	ok, back to the council and the coposition ...
 277 avr 28 22:44:27 <jean7491>	mark, did you read the report and additional rematks in the mailing list ?
 278 avr 28 22:44:37 <markvandenborre>	I'm sorry, but the idea behind the council is not really clear to me when it comes to my responsibilities
 279 avr 28 22:44:44 <markvandenborre>	I did read the report
 280 avr 28 22:45:15 <JanC>	your responibilities depend on what you want  ☺
 281 avr 28 22:45:39 <jurgentje>	basically it's about having a small core team to set direction.
 282 avr 28 22:45:55 <jean7491>	membership to the council is independent of the treasurer
 283 avr 28 22:46:07 <jean7491>	or should be
 284 avr 28 22:46:13 <markvandenborre>	I think I can contribute some valuable knowledge from time to time
 285 avr 28 22:46:27 <markvandenborre>	but my investment of time will stay very limited for quite some time to come
 286 avr 28 22:46:39 <markvandenborre>	so the question is if that is enough
 287 avr 28 22:46:59 <JanC>	everybody can contribute, even if not in the council
 288 avr 28 22:47:00 <markvandenborre>	how much time am I supposed to invest in this
 289 avr 28 22:47:29 <jean7491>	nobody knows !
 290 avr 28 22:47:35 <jurgentje>	the idea is to have 4 meetings a year - and those should be attended. Other stuff can be worked out & planned individually or through the council list or so
 291 avr 28 22:47:47 <jurgentje>	that's correct, right?
 292 avr 28 22:47:47 <markvandenborre>	I think if being a member of the council is about having some credibility in the community, and trying to make wise decisions
 293 avr 28 22:48:00 <markvandenborre>	then I could help with that
 294 avr 28 22:48:25 <markvandenborre>	if it entails a lot more, I will not be able to do that well for the months to come
 295 avr 28 22:48:46 <markvandenborre>	make me an honorary member of the council :)
 296 avr 28 22:49:16 <JanC>	special advisor to the president^Wcouncil  ;)
 297 avr 28 22:49:19 <markvandenborre>	this last sentence might make it sound like I'm taking my duties very lightly
 298 avr 28 22:49:27 <jean7491>	or the sixth member ?
 299 avr 28 22:49:30 <markvandenborre>	but it's quite the opposite
 300 avr 28 22:50:13 <jurgentje>	it's about telling your limitations... is quite honest
 301 avr 28 22:51:26 <jurgentje>	but I think quite a few of us have similar limitations
 302 avr 28 22:52:16 <jurgentje>	the first year will probably mostly be setting the beacons... hopefully a little more structure will attract more volunteers (and possibly even more candidates next year) :)
 303 avr 28 22:52:42 <jurgentje>	so for the first year, I think wisdom and moderation (matigheid) is what we need
 304 avr 28 22:52:46 <markvandenborre>	if I can take the role of a mostly invisible wise old man
 305 avr 28 22:52:59 <JanC>	with a pirate hat?  :P
 306 avr 28 22:53:03 <markvandenborre>	then it will be my pleasure to be a council member
 307 avr 28 22:53:08 <markvandenborre>	arr!
 308 avr 28 22:53:18 <jean7491>	the easiest way for a solution is to extend the council to 6 members (i don't believe in argument and the problem of a 50-50 vote blocking the work of the council)
 309 avr 28 22:53:20 <markvandenborre>	for a year, right?
 310 avr 28 22:53:42 <jean7491>	idd 1 year
 311 avr 28 22:53:51 <JanC>	for the first year, we probably want (near) consensus decisions anyway  ;)
 312 avr 28 22:54:12 <markvandenborre>	that's something very important indeed
 313 avr 28 22:54:22 <JanC>	as the council isn't elected
 314 avr 28 22:54:25 <markvandenborre>	when would the first one be planned? I see May 1st...
 315 avr 28 22:54:49 <jurgentje>	that's still okay for me. Early evening?
 316 avr 28 22:54:58 <markvandenborre>	is that an online meeting?
 317 avr 28 22:55:07 <markvandenborre>	I need to go and wave a red flag :p
 318 avr 28 22:55:12 <pvandewyngaer>	yeah, its a vote
 319 avr 28 22:55:13 <JanC>	next Sunday, right?
 320 avr 28 22:55:21 <jurgentje>	indeed
 321 avr 28 22:55:36 <JanC>	just to "elect" the council, or more?
 322 avr 28 22:56:04 <JanC>	or appoint, or whatever  ;)
 323 avr 28 22:56:14 <jurgentje>	and set out the next dates?
 324 avr 28 22:56:25 <jurgentje>	just so we have our calendar for this year?
 325 avr 28 22:56:39 <JanC>	markvandenborre: would you be available for IRL meetings sometimes?
 326 avr 28 22:57:10 <markvandenborre>	you were talking three irl meetings a year, right?
 327 avr 28 22:57:14 <jurgentje>	IRL is hard for me during evenings.
 328 avr 28 22:57:25 <jurgentje>	not persé IRL meetings - can be IRC too
 329 avr 28 22:57:33 <markvandenborre>	should be manageable depending on the agenda
 330 avr 28 22:57:58 <JanC>	I would like to see at least 1 IRL meeting a year  ☺
 331 avr 28 22:58:00 <markvandenborre>	err, depending on the date
 332 avr 28 22:58:10 <markvandenborre>	that's really a minimum indeed
 333 avr 28 22:58:23 <pvandewyngaer>	@fosdem ...
 334 avr 28 22:58:39 <jean7491>	imho the council of 6 members is now known and can be announced as starting on 01/05 ...  the meetings of the council have to be arranged between the council members ... does everybody agreed with the council (6 members) ?
 335 avr 28 22:58:47 <JanC>	I think markvandenborre is too busy during FOSDEM
 336 avr 28 22:59:01 <markvandenborre>	and students might not be available
 337 avr 28 22:59:06 <markvandenborre>	but jean7491 is right...
 338 avr 28 22:59:08 <RamiAdrien>	re (sorry an emergency for the work)
 339 avr 28 22:59:31 <jean7491>	adrien: do you agree ?
 340 avr 28 22:59:57 <RamiAdrien>	about? I don't follow the conversation i've just come
 341 avr 28 23:00:05 <jurgentje>	lol!
 342 avr 28 23:00:26 <jean7491>	decision council = 6 members with mark
 343 avr 28 23:00:29 <jurgentje>	Adrien: we're 6 member council - we meet on IRC on May 1 to set the other dates and need 1 IRL meeting per year
 344 avr 28 23:00:45 <RamiAdrien>	okay thanks
 345 avr 28 23:01:26 <jean7491>	or other question : does anyone disagree with ? (silent procedure)
 346 avr 28 23:01:28 <RamiAdrien>	We don't speak about being 5? Or 5 and Mark had a special function?
 347 avr 28 23:01:57 <JanC>	RamiAdrien: do you think it would be bad to have 6?
 348 avr 28 23:02:41 <JanC>	I think most decisions will be made together anyway?
 349 avr 28 23:02:48 <RamiAdrien>	At the meeting a lot of persons insist to be 3 5 or 7 and all agree with that
 350 avr 28 23:03:09 <jean7491>	as i said, i don't believe in argument and the problem of a 50-50 vote blocking the work of the council
 351 avr 28 23:03:11 <RamiAdrien>	but if we change it's not a matter for me
 352 avr 28 23:03:13 <pvandewyngaer>	for me it is Ok, to have 6,  if all other people agree
 353 avr 28 23:03:30 *	ttl- est parti (Remote host closed the connection)
 354 avr 28 23:03:43 <jurgentje>	for me it was okay, but not a priority. 6 is okay too. :)
 355 avr 28 23:03:58 <JanC>	most people say that's better, OTOH, having an even number means we need to work more on a larger agreement  ;)
 356 avr 28 23:04:21 <JanC>	so it can even be an advantage
 357 avr 28 23:04:38 <JanC>	depending on how you view it
 358 avr 28 23:05:08 <RamiAdrien>	it's always a matter of point of view
 359 avr 28 23:05:16 <jean7491>	i assume pierre will have no objection, so we have now a first council ...
 360 avr 28 23:05:29 <jean7491>	are there other comment on the council ?
 361 avr 28 23:05:45 <jurgentje>	May 1 ... what time?
 362 avr 28 23:06:03 <jurgentje>	8 PM?
 363 avr 28 23:07:37 <jean7491>	the question is for JanC, mongolito404, adrien, mark and pieter !
 364 avr 28 23:07:42 <markvandenborre>	irc meeting around that time should be feasible for me
 365 avr 28 23:07:50 <RamiAdrien>	i check my agenda
 366 avr 28 23:08:18 <pvandewyngaer>	for me all time is good
 367 avr 28 23:08:22 <RamiAdrien>	for me it's okay
 368 avr 28 23:08:36 <JanC>	it's okay for me
 369 avr 28 23:09:18 <jurgentje>	pierre isn't here
 370 avr 28 23:09:18 <jean7491>	if no other comment, are there other questions not in the agenda ?
 371 avr 28 23:09:51 <markvandenborre>	is there any agenda for the May 1st meeting?
 372 avr 28 23:09:57 <jean7491>	idd you will have to contact him
 373 avr 28 23:10:42 <jean7491>	the question is for jurgen, JanC, mongolito404, adrien, mark and pieter !
 374 avr 28 23:11:19 <pvandewyngaer>	who will create the mailing list + emailadress   and launchpad team ?
 375 avr 28 23:11:25 <jurgentje>	agenda: setting 3 dates  for IRC - 1 for IRL - maybe check the grounds?
 376 avr 28 23:11:52 <JanC>	there were some topics we have to resolve during the next 12 months, I guess that's a good start of the agenda...?
 377 avr 28 23:12:14 <JanC>	not to decide on anything yet
 378 avr 28 23:12:33 <jurgentje>	who is capable of setting up the mailinglist and the launchpad team?
 379 avr 28 23:13:07 <jurgentje>	except for the dates :)
 380 avr 28 23:13:19 <RamiAdrien>	Who have the access for all of that?
 381 avr 28 23:14:07 <jurgentje>	JanC, can you make the address?
 382 avr 28 23:14:51 <markvandenborre>	need to go
 383 avr 28 23:14:58 <jurgentje>	okay. see you Sunday Mark
 384 avr 28 23:15:02 <markvandenborre>	bye
 385 avr 28 23:15:10 <jean7491>	mark thx for your help
 386 avr 28 23:16:03 <jean7491>	my last topic, next irc meeting ? is it possible on thursday 05/05//2011 at 21 h. ? 
 387 avr 28 23:16:05 <JanC>	I can make the address, but maybe I should configure mailman on the server one of these days...  ;)
 388 avr 28 23:17:01 <jean7491>	after the end of the meeting, feel free to continue the irc contact ...
 389 avr 28 23:17:15 <jean7491>	end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !