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   1 2009-03-25 19:17:05 *   mongolito404 (n=pbuyle@ip-83-134-193-13.dsl.scarlet.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
   2 2009-03-25 19:43:43 *   hfsdo heeft verlaten ("Leaving")
   3 2009-03-25 19:45:12 *   pvandewyngaerde (n=pvandewy@33.212-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
   4 2009-03-25 19:56:55 <pvandewyngaerde>   goeienavond
   5 2009-03-25 20:09:05 <siegie>    goeienavond
   6 2009-03-25 20:13:29 <rulus>     hallo
   7 2009-03-25 20:30:24 *   janz (n=janz@78-21-71-183.access.telenet.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
   8 2009-03-25 20:33:54 *   DarkEra (n=darkera@unaffiliated/darkera) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
   9 2009-03-25 20:37:53 *   zaphod_ (n=zaphod@78-21-71-183.access.telenet.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  10 2009-03-25 20:38:47 *   janz heeft verlaten ("Ex-Chat")
  11 2009-03-25 20:42:17 <JanC>      hello all ツ
  12 2009-03-25 20:44:21 <rulus>     ik moet helaas weg, zal het straks wel lezen
  13 2009-03-25 20:45:19 *   Hello (n=matthew@78-22-231-251.access.telenet.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  14 2009-03-25 20:45:34 *   Hello is nu bekend als Guest68572
  15 2009-03-25 20:46:05 <Guest68572>        Anybody any idea how to set your nickname?
  16 2009-03-25 20:46:22 <pvandewyngaerde>   /nick newnick
  17 2009-03-25 20:46:33 <Guest68572>        Nickname already in use
  18 2009-03-25 20:46:48 *   Guest68572 is nu bekend als MatthewDeb
  19 2009-03-25 20:46:49 <pvandewyngaerde>   /nick othernick
  20 2009-03-25 20:46:52 <MatthewDeb>        lol xD
  21 2009-03-25 20:46:58 <pvandewyngaerde>   dag MatthewDeb
  22 2009-03-25 20:47:02 <MatthewDeb>        hoi!
  23 2009-03-25 20:47:56 <MatthewDeb>        Er is nog veel volk voor vanavond?
  24 2009-03-25 20:48:30 *   jean7491 (n=jm@79.132.234.60) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  25 2009-03-25 20:50:28 <MatthewDeb>        Hey Jean!
  26 2009-03-25 20:50:47 *   warddr (n=warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  27 2009-03-25 20:50:57 <jean7491>  Hey, alles ok?
  28 2009-03-25 20:51:03 <MatthewDeb>        ja hoor :)
  29 2009-03-25 20:51:31 <warddr>    binnen een paar minuten beginnen we eraan..
  30 2009-03-25 20:53:23 <MatthewDeb>        Il y a des gens francophones ici?
  31 2009-03-25 20:54:04 <MatthewDeb>        jean à l'exception :p
  32 2009-03-25 20:54:09 <warddr>    on va parler l'Anglais je crois.. Je ne suis pas francophone mais je comprends le français
  33 2009-03-25 20:54:16 <jean7491>  oui moi, maar ok
  34 2009-03-25 20:55:11 <MatthewDeb>        @warddr ik ben ook geen franstalige hoor, maar het was even om te checken wie er eigenlijk allemaal aanwezig is en welke taal het meest actief wordt gebruikt
  35 2009-03-25 20:55:32 <MatthewDeb>        als toch iedereen NL spreekt, zouden we deze meeting ook in het NL kunnen doen
  36 2009-03-25 20:55:34 <pvandewyngaerde>   nl++
  37 2009-03-25 20:55:54 <JanC>      nope, other people will read the logs
  38 2009-03-25 20:56:01 <MatthewDeb>        okay then
  39 2009-03-25 20:56:07 <jean7491>  ok, maar geen sms-taaltje
  40 2009-03-25 20:56:11 <warddr>    where are the logs?
  41 2009-03-25 20:56:28 <JanC>      e.g. mongolito404 said he wouldn't be here probably
  42 2009-03-25 20:56:56 <JanC>      warddr: on their & my & your hard disk probably  ;)
  43 2009-03-25 20:56:56 <warddr>    don't they understand Dutch?
  44 2009-03-25 20:57:21 <warddr>    but this channel isn't logged like #ubuntu-nl?
  45 2009-03-25 20:57:25 <JanC>      it's also about being polite
  46 2009-03-25 20:57:30 <JanC>      no it's not logged
  47 2009-03-25 20:57:48 <JanC>      maybe a good idea to have a logbot for meetings
  48 2009-03-25 20:57:52 <JanC>      in the future
  49 2009-03-25 20:58:22 <warddr>    let's put it on the agenda
  50 2009-03-25 21:01:01 <warddr>    START!
  51 2009-03-25 21:01:11 <JanC>      BTW, the "agenda" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetingAgenda is very unstructured currently, maybe next time we'll have to define more clearly what to talk about and what not
  52 2009-03-25 21:01:51 <JanC>      that would be item #1 on the todo list ツ
  53 2009-03-25 21:02:26 <JanC>      anyway, jean7491 proposed to first discuss the meeting times for the future
  54 2009-03-25 21:03:04 <JanC>      on the list it was proposed to have a meeting every week, but not on the same day/time
  55 2009-03-25 21:03:36 <JanC>      what would be good days & times do you all think?
  56 2009-03-25 21:04:10 <MatthewDeb>        well, every week would be a bit to frequent. I don't know if we will have enough stuff to talk about?
  57 2009-03-25 21:04:39 <siegie>    The dutch team for example meets, once a month
  58 2009-03-25 21:04:39 <jean7491>  or 1 meeting per week but spraid in 2 sessions/days, there are enough topics
  59 2009-03-25 21:05:05 *   iceman (n=iceman@208.249-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  60 2009-03-25 21:05:06 <warddr>    I still think it's better to use the mailinglist to discuss this kind of things
  61 2009-03-25 21:05:06 <JanC>      MatthewDeb: we can make it less often later, but for now I propose every week
  62 2009-03-25 21:05:14 <pvandewyngaerde>   once a month
  63 2009-03-25 21:05:30 <JanC>      just to get things started
  64 2009-03-25 21:05:49 <JanC>      otherwise everybody will wait for 3,5 weeks before doing anything  ;)
  65 2009-03-25 21:06:10 <jean7491>  first how reach more people via IRC
  66 2009-03-25 21:06:49 <siegie>    you don't have to wait till the meeting to do anything, you can also communicate via wiki.
  67 2009-03-25 21:07:04 <JanC>      siegie: except that currently that doesn't happen
  68 2009-03-25 21:07:36 *   iceman heeft verlaten (Client Quit)
  69 2009-03-25 21:07:38 <JanC>      so, first: when are the good meeting times for most people?  ;)
  70 2009-03-25 21:08:10 <MatthewDeb>        that's true. There weren't a lot of comments on the fact about this meeting, but there are a lot of people actually online. People read and are curious about what happens, but being part of it is something completely different
  71 2009-03-25 21:08:41 <MatthewDeb>        well, Wednesdays are perfect for me, sometimes in the late evening
  72 2009-03-25 21:08:45 <MatthewDeb>        like now :p
  73 2009-03-25 21:08:46 <JanC>      some people are just idling here
  74 2009-03-25 21:09:06 <warddr>    I don't know what to say at the moment :d
  75 2009-03-25 21:09:27 <jean7491>  no preference for the day (except tuesday), time 21 hr. ok
  76 2009-03-25 21:09:49 *   t-Omicr0n (n=tom@64.145-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
  77 2009-03-25 21:09:51 <pvandewyngaerde>   same like jean7491 for me
  78 2009-03-25 21:10:13 <warddr>    21 hr. is ok for me
  79 2009-03-25 21:10:19 <MatthewDeb>        to be less specific. I like the hour, but the day shouldn't be in the weekends (Friday - Sunday) for me
  80 2009-03-25 21:10:21 <siegie>    i would preffer friday or saturday in the early evening, but who am I :p
  81 2009-03-25 21:10:23 <DarkEra>   Doesn't matter to me i'm always around and most active in the evening
  82 2009-03-25 21:10:58 <JanC>      I was just thinking, maybe some people prefer the weekends?
  83 2009-03-25 21:11:11 <warddr>    I agree with MatthewDeb
  84 2009-03-25 21:11:57 <t-Omicr0n> I proposed the weekend, since I've got a lot of time then, but I can also make the week.
  85 2009-03-25 21:11:58 <JanC>      OTOH, if everybody here prefers the week, we can just keep it on Wednesday evening of course
  86 2009-03-25 21:12:20 <jean7491>  ok
  87 2009-03-25 21:12:25 <MatthewDeb>        Can't you create a poll on the wiki?
  88 2009-03-25 21:12:27 <t-Omicr0n> keep in mind that the people that can't make it during the week are not here today :)
  89 2009-03-25 21:12:38 <t-Omicr0n> MatthewDeb: I like that idea
  90 2009-03-25 21:12:43 <JanC>      t-Omicr0n: good point
  91 2009-03-25 21:12:53 <MatthewDeb>        Like I proposed by mail: maybe one week on Wednesday, the other week on Saturday
  92 2009-03-25 21:13:18 <MatthewDeb>        so you always will have different people who have other or new ideas
  93 2009-03-25 21:13:22 <JanC>      so, when is the next meeting then: next Sunday?
  94 2009-03-25 21:13:29 <t-Omicr0n> Agreed.
  95 2009-03-25 21:13:33 <JanC>      or Saturday
  96 2009-03-25 21:13:56 <JanC>      what would be best, Sat or Sun?
  97 2009-03-25 21:13:57 <MatthewDeb>        Sunday at 21 could work, but I could be a bit late then
  98 2009-03-25 21:14:11 <MatthewDeb>        I prefer Sunday
  99 2009-03-25 21:14:22 <pvandewyngaerde>   sunday, on the time change
 100 2009-03-25 21:14:39 <t-Omicr0n> Me to, Sun will also catch those people who go out on Saturday. I think it's a "sit at home" night for most.
 101 2009-03-25 21:14:52 <JanC>      time change?
 102 2009-03-25 21:14:57 <warddr>    that's a fact, t-Omicr0n
 103 2009-03-25 21:15:28 <JanC>      some people go to their "kot" on Sunday evening
 104 2009-03-25 21:15:44 <JanC>      but as MatthewDeb says, maybe they can get on-line by 21h or a bit later
 105 2009-03-25 21:16:07 <MatthewDeb>        I arrive at home on Sunday at 20h45
 106 2009-03-25 21:16:39 <JanC>      then 21h shouldn't be a real problem I guess
 107 2009-03-25 21:17:13 <JanC>      do we agree on next Sunday 29/3 at 21h then?
 108 2009-03-25 21:17:21 <jean7491>  ok
 109 2009-03-25 21:17:29 <t-Omicr0n> ok
 110 2009-03-25 21:17:45 <pvandewyngaerde>   ok
 111 2009-03-25 21:18:03 <warddr>    I probably can't make it but I'll read the logs (if someone can sent them to me) and I'll be there next meeting$
 112 2009-03-25 21:18:15 <warddr>    for me no problem to skip once
 113 2009-03-25 21:18:26 <MatthewDeb>        ok
 114 2009-03-25 21:18:40 <t-Omicr0n> Can we auto-log this ? That way, people who can't make it on time can catch up.
 115 2009-03-25 21:18:52 <JanC>      t-Omicr0n: I log it locally
 116 2009-03-25 21:18:53 <siegie>    i'm also not sure but, will try
 117 2009-03-25 21:19:16 <JanC>      but as we discussed before the meeting, we could pull in a bot for the meeting too
 118 2009-03-25 21:19:31 <warddr>    but why only for the meeting?
 119 2009-03-25 21:19:51 <JanC>      why would you want public logs otherwise?
 120 2009-03-25 21:20:02 <warddr>    why not?$
 121 2009-03-25 21:20:23 <JanC>      well, e.g. it requires people to be warned about it
 122 2009-03-25 21:20:42 <warddr>    how many words are said here when there is no meeting..
 123 2009-03-25 21:20:58 <JanC>      and sometimes peopel say stupid things they don't want to be stored on the web forever
 124 2009-03-25 21:21:40 <warddr>    we can keep the logs for a couple of weeks and then remove them
 125 2009-03-25 21:22:23 <JanC>      I'd prefer no logs unless a majority wants them
 126 2009-03-25 21:22:46 <JanC>      (logs for the meetings is okay though)
 127 2009-03-25 21:23:02 <warddr>    let's vote on the wiki
 128 2009-03-25 21:23:30 <t-Omicr0n> I agree, during the meeting, otherwise it doesn't matter for me. A vote sounds fine. Who will set it up ?
 129 2009-03-25 21:23:41 <JanC>      AFAIK you can't do votes on the wiki?
 130 2009-03-25 21:24:29 <MatthewDeb>        I would say yes to permanent logging. They always come in handy. Let's say I'm discussing something tomorrow about a new great idea. Nobody will know except the people who were online and you could use it for later purposes or to quote in future meetings
 131 2009-03-25 21:24:32 <warddr>    why not? Just start a wiki page, write the word pro and the word contra and people should write there name
 132 2009-03-25 21:25:07 <JanC>      MatthewDeb: if I'm here, I have logs, which is almost 24/7  ;)
 133 2009-03-25 21:25:31 <JanC>      anyway, we could also log non-publicly maybe
 134 2009-03-25 21:26:17 <JanC>      MatthewDeb: but if you want people to read something, it's better to mail the list anyway
 135 2009-03-25 21:26:18 <warddr>    so you reccomand everyone to let their computer on 24/7 to make their own logs?
 136 2009-03-25 21:26:29 <t-Omicr0n> :)
 137 2009-03-25 21:27:13 <t-Omicr0n> Does everyone agree to vote on this ?
 138 2009-03-25 21:27:22 <JanC>      warddr: will you read the logs everyday if they are on some website somewhere?
 139 2009-03-25 21:27:26 <pvandewyngaerde>   copy log to the mailing list
 140 2009-03-25 21:28:09 <JanC>      pvandewyngaerde: that's what I would propose for those who want to discuss something with more people
 141 2009-03-25 21:28:12 <warddr>    JanC, probably not, but I sometimes use the logs of ubuntu-nl to read the answers to my questions one more time
 142 2009-03-25 21:28:32 <JanC>      pvandewyngaerde: that and/or put it on the agenda with a link to the log
 143 2009-03-25 21:28:38 <warddr>    pvandewyngaerde, problem: the mailinlist is publicly logged
 144 2009-03-25 21:28:46 <mongolito404>      what about publishing the log on the meeting wiki page along with a debriefing ?
 145 2009-03-25 21:29:16 <JanC>      mongolito404: I intended to post the log I make now
 146 2009-03-25 21:29:18 <warddr>    is there anyone who disagree with pulishing the log of this meeting?
 147 2009-03-25 21:29:42 <JanC>      warddr: now your talking about the meeting...
 148 2009-03-25 21:29:54 <MatthewDeb>        you can read the mailing list on the internet too, so that would be public too
 149 2009-03-25 21:30:10 <JanC>      MatthewDeb: which is indicated when you subscribe
 150 2009-03-25 21:30:21 <MatthewDeb>        I don't have problems with logs at all. I'm used to it. If you participate, you need to follow the 'rules'
 151 2009-03-25 21:30:40 <JanC>      it's about logging this channel publicly 24/7
 152 2009-03-25 21:31:08 <JanC>      which I don't think is needed
 153 2009-03-25 21:31:39 <MatthewDeb>        public: no. private: yes
 154 2009-03-25 21:32:01 <MatthewDeb>        I don't mind logging 24/7, as long as that doesn't get public
 155 2009-03-25 21:32:09 <mongolito404>      I don't see the point of logging this channel 25/7. If you feel that something said has to be knowm by those who aren't here, you'll better publish it on the ML or the wiki.
 156 2009-03-25 21:32:49 <mongolito404>      private logging of a public channel ?
 157 2009-03-25 21:32:49 <JanC>      the channel already is logged 24/7 privately by several people anyway
 158 2009-03-25 21:33:47 <JanC>      (it's how your IRC client shows previous discussions if you open a channel)
 159 2009-03-25 21:34:04 <warddr>    and are these people willing to share parts of their logs is someone asks for them?
 160 2009-03-25 21:34:15 <mongolito404>      probably
 161 2009-03-25 21:34:25 <JanC>      at least I won't care
 162 2009-03-25 21:36:15 <jean7491>  is it ok for thr logs
 163 2009-03-25 21:36:56 <warddr>    jean7491, i think we can move on to the next subject
 164 2009-03-25 21:37:19 <jean7491>  i understand : we agreed on next meeting sunday 29/3 at 21 hr., ... do we agreed on the sequence. wed. 01/04 (not a joke), ... sun. 05/04 ...
 165 2009-03-25 21:37:37 <JanC>      I think we can bring this topic up on the mailing list (but it really only concerns people who are on IRC)
 166 2009-03-25 21:37:55 <jean7491>  ok for me
 167 2009-03-25 21:38:00 <mongolito404>      where will the meetings be announced ? The list ? Google calendar ?
 168 2009-03-25 21:38:13 <JanC>      I meant the logging topic
 169 2009-03-25 21:38:47 <JanC>      mongolito404: the list, the wiki page and the website would be good too
 170 2009-03-25 21:38:47 <t-Omicr0n> We can add them to Google Calender, which will then send reminders to the list.
 171 2009-03-25 21:39:12 <JanC>      I'd prefer a calendar on the site over a google calendar
 172 2009-03-25 21:39:15 <MatthewDeb>        this topic, don't post it on the mailing list. Most people won't care about it, I suppose
 173 2009-03-25 21:39:28 <MatthewDeb>        just put it again on the agenda for next week. Other people, other opinions
 174 2009-03-25 21:39:28 <JanC>      what topic MatthewDeb ?
 175 2009-03-25 21:39:35 <MatthewDeb>        the logging topic
 176 2009-03-25 21:41:03 <JanC>      jean7491: let's just start with Sunday, and then see if next week Wednesday is needed or not
 177 2009-03-25 21:41:19 <mongolito404>      Can we consider meetings as events convered by the ''Promote Ubuntu-be Events on Website'' blueprint ?
 178 2009-03-25 21:41:56 <JanC>      mongolito404: well, at least they should be announced on the site and in a calendar or such
 179 2009-03-25 21:42:51 <JanC>      mongolito404: I think Drupal has a sort of agenda module that can export to iCal and/or RSS or something like that?
 180 2009-03-25 21:43:03 <t-Omicr0n> JanC: that would be great
 181 2009-03-25 21:43:23 <JanC>      BTW, mongolito404's blueprint is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Events
 182 2009-03-25 21:43:24 <mongolito404>      There is the ''events'' module which look deprecated and not available for Drupal 6
 183 2009-03-25 21:43:45 <mongolito404>      But there is the Date and Calendar modules which I plan to use
 184 2009-03-25 21:46:00 <siegie>    keep it simple so everyone can edit it. for example a wiki?
 185 2009-03-25 21:46:14 <JanC>      maybe we should ask people what they tink they would want from something like this (= use cases)
 186 2009-03-25 21:46:26 <JanC>      and at the same time see what these modules have to offer
 187 2009-03-25 21:46:42 <JanC>      siegie: wiki's don't export to iCal or RSS or whatever
 188 2009-03-25 21:47:14 <JanC>      but having more site editors would probably be good
 189 2009-03-25 21:47:17 <mongolito404>      That's the point of the blueprint.... gather use cases
 190 2009-03-25 21:47:49 <siegie>    JanC: okey if we have more site editors,
 191 2009-03-25 21:47:50 <JanC>      mongolito404: yes, so we need to ask people to add there comments on this
 192 2009-03-25 21:48:45 <JanC>      s/there/their/
 193 2009-03-25 21:48:48 <mongolito404>      Editors (ie. people with permission to edit page on the website) are now managed through launchpad
 194 2009-03-25 21:49:20 <JanC>      as is explained on that page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be-webeditor
 195 2009-03-25 21:51:22 <JanC>      mongolito404: do you know already what's possible with those date & calendar modules (and what not)?
 196 2009-03-25 21:51:31 <mongolito404>      The current proposition in the blueprint is to allow any member of the ubuntu-belgium team to add/edit/delete their own events.
 197 2009-03-25 21:51:56 <mongolito404>      while members of the ubuntu-be-webeditor team will be able to edit all events
 198 2009-03-25 21:52:06 <JanC>      that sounds san
 199 2009-03-25 21:52:21 <JanC>      so webeditors can also add translations & such
 200 2009-03-25 21:52:41 <JanC>      and remove inappropriate stuff
 201 2009-03-25 21:52:52 <mongolito404>      See http://www.drupaltherapy.com/node/76 for a demo of the setup of the Date and Calendar module
 202 2009-03-25 21:53:14 <mongolito404>      At this time, i think that everything in the blueprint is covered.
 203 2009-03-25 21:53:59 <JanC>      I'll look at it after the meeting, and we can ask others to have a look at it too
 204 2009-03-25 21:54:18 <MatthewDeb>        Hey, I'm sorry, but I'm force to go. I will check the logs afterwards and mail my opinion about it
 205 2009-03-25 21:54:20 <MatthewDeb>        byebye!
 206 2009-03-25 21:54:20 <mongolito404>      JanC: Yes that's the point. Editors will help to clean and translate others' content
 207 2009-03-25 21:54:37 <JanC>      sounds sane to me
 208 2009-03-25 21:54:41 <pvandewyngaerde>   i just joined the webeditor group on launchpad
 209 2009-03-25 21:54:44 *   MatthewDeb heeft verlaten ()
 210 2009-03-25 21:54:46 <JanC>      it also means we need to set a policy
 211 2009-03-25 21:55:02 <mongolito404>      yes
 212 2009-03-25 21:55:17 <JanC>      what's appropriate and what not
 213 2009-03-25 21:55:29 <mongolito404>      yes we will need tto do that
 214 2009-03-25 21:55:30 <JanC>      one more thing for a future meeting
 215 2009-03-25 21:57:09 <mongolito404>      pvandewyngaerde: you are now a member of the web editor team
 216 2009-03-25 21:58:25 <mongolito404>      The policy for the web editor team could be drafted on the wiki
 217 2009-03-25 21:58:40 <JanC>      I think that in general everybody is okay with putting events (both internal to ubuntu-be & other events related to Ubuntu) on the site?
 218 2009-03-25 21:59:00 <pvandewyngaerde>   yes
 219 2009-03-25 21:59:44 <JanC>      and we can discuss things like policy & details on the list a bit before we actually implement it
 220 2009-03-25 22:00:16 <mongolito404>      I'll use the blue print as a checklist of the features to implements, be suure to add your wishes to it.
 221 2009-03-25 22:00:59 <jean7491>  I suppose everybody = member of ubuntu-belgium team, but what if you are not (so am I)
 222 2009-03-25 22:01:17 <JanC>      mongolito404: yeah, I'd say people can add needs, and then we can remove them during a future meeting if they are not needed (now) and would complicate things
 223 2009-03-25 22:01:49 <JanC>      jean7491: it's easy to become a member
 224 2009-03-25 22:02:04 <mongolito404>      jean7491: membership of ubuntu=belgium is currently an issue. Mark vdb is currently the only one who can accept subscription
 225 2009-03-25 22:02:33 <mongolito404>      I contact him on this point to see if I can transfer ownership of the team to somebody else
 226 2009-03-25 22:02:53 <jean7491>  no acceptation since november 2008 (20 waiting)
 227 2009-03-25 22:03:11 <JanC>      he's very busy currently
 228 2009-03-25 22:03:14 <mongolito404>      jean7491: Yep, I saw this
 229 2009-03-25 22:03:22 <JanC>      I can try to contact him too
 230 2009-03-25 22:03:46 <JanC>      mongolito404: did you contact him already?
 231 2009-03-25 22:03:52 <mongolito404>      yes I did
 232 2009-03-25 22:04:14 <JanC>      okay, if he doesn't answer fast enough, I can phone him
 233 2009-03-25 22:04:54 <JanC>      good point to tell that jean7491 
 234 2009-03-25 22:05:22 <pvandewyngaerde>   jean7491:  do you have pictures of the dipro booths ?
 235 2009-03-25 22:05:31 <mongolito404>      Should he transfer ownership to me or make me admin of the team, I'll announce it on the ML
 236 2009-03-25 22:05:39 <mongolito404>      And clear the queue
 237 2009-03-25 22:05:48 <JanC>      great
 238 2009-03-25 22:06:58 <jean7491>  yes, Pieter, 3-4 pictures, I can send it to you, if you wish
 239 2009-03-25 22:08:25 <pvandewyngaerde>   is there a report on the wiki where you can add them ?
 240 2009-03-25 22:09:58 <mongolito404>      For the future, do we want to allow ubuntu-be member to add comment and pictures to an events to tthe website ?
 241 2009-03-25 22:10:44 <JanC>      mongolito404: good point, sounds useful
 242 2009-03-25 22:10:51 <jean7491>  for pieter : for the moment, no, I don't know how to create page ad-hoc
 243 2009-03-25 22:11:33 <JanC>      jean7491: just enter a new URL on the wiki and it will ask if you want to create it
 244 2009-03-25 22:11:50 <JanC>      or make a link to it and then click the link
 245 2009-03-25 22:12:22 <JanC>      mongolito404: you mean by using comments, right?
 246 2009-03-25 22:13:16 <JanC>      is it possible to add pictures to comments?
 247 2009-03-25 22:13:22 <mongolito404>      JanC: probably, or by creating a new node linked to the node for the event
 248 2009-03-25 22:14:04 <JanC>      the later option more like a link to sort of a "news article"?
 249 2009-03-25 22:14:11 <mongolito404>      Yes
 250 2009-03-25 22:14:37 <mongolito404>      Something like an article for the event and an article for the report on the event
 251 2009-03-25 22:17:54 <jean7491>  i have to experiment with the wiki ! ...   are we ready for next topic ? which one ?
 252 2009-03-25 22:18:12 <JanC>      how much time to people have for more topics?
 253 2009-03-25 22:18:16 <JanC>      do
 254 2009-03-25 22:18:49 <mongolito404>      what are these topics ?
 255 2009-03-25 22:19:13 <t-Omicr0n> I don't have much time, have to get up at 6...
 256 2009-03-25 22:19:26 <JanC>      depends on what people want to get discussed *now* I guess
 257 2009-03-25 22:19:48 <mongolito404>      Has the use of the support point database been discussed ?
 258 2009-03-25 22:20:32 <JanC>      not yet, I was going to propose it as next topic if nobody else had something urgent  ;)
 259 2009-03-25 22:21:02 <jean7491>  for me the priority is :  i am concerned with the lack of planning for ubuntu-be future activities
 260 2009-03-25 22:21:10 <JanC>      what jean7491 proposed: finding volunteers for events isn't always easy, while we have a database of volunteers for other things (the famous "map"), can we somehow use this database for this
 261 2009-03-25 22:22:08 <jean7491>  before the use of the database, planning of events is my priority
 262 2009-03-25 22:22:29 <JanC>      jean7491: we can't plan with zero volunteers...
 263 2009-03-25 22:23:32 <mongolito404>      The current map system is not made as a mailing system.
 264 2009-03-25 22:23:57 <jean7491>  first look where we have to be present, and then look for volunteers
 265 2009-03-25 22:24:11 <JanC>      jean7491: there are also several events planned *outside* ubuntu-be which I want to bring more inside too
 266 2009-03-25 22:24:15 *   warddr heeft verlaten (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 267 2009-03-25 22:24:51 <mongolito404>      The map could bee used to contact support point registered for demonstration or help with installation.
 268 2009-03-25 22:25:19 <jean7491>  i understand the concern of the use of the database, we can think about that later
 269 2009-03-25 22:25:37 <mongolito404>      There seems to be many Ubuntu related events organized with little or no knowledge on Ubuntu-be
 270 2009-03-25 22:25:52 <mongolito404>      s/on/in
 271 2009-03-25 22:26:07 <JanC>      mongolito404: exactly
 272 2009-03-25 22:26:43 <jean7491>  other inputs than dipro and release party in hasselt ?
 273 2009-03-25 22:26:59 <mongolito404>      we have to find a way to ease the transmission of imformation about these events through Ubuntu-be
 274 2009-03-25 22:27:16 <JanC>      yeah, that's why I want them on the site
 275 2009-03-25 22:27:54 <JanC>      it's an incentive for people to communicate more with ubuntu-be
 276 2009-03-25 22:28:13 <mongolito404>      I agree
 277 2009-03-25 22:28:52 <JanC>      jean7491: there is the linuxbabbel in Roeselare which does a lot of things with/for Ubuntu too
 278 2009-03-25 22:29:51 <JanC>      jean7491: and see the mail by Julien Willem on the list
 279 2009-03-25 22:30:09 <mongolito404>      jean7491: Sambrelug is also oranizing stuffs, see http://sambrelug.lybrafox.be/images/conferences.png
 280 2009-03-25 22:30:30 *   t-Omicr0n is off to bed. He'll be back Sunday evening for more...
 281 2009-03-25 22:30:53 <JanC>      t-Omicr0n: thanks for coming
 282 2009-03-25 22:31:21 <t-Omicr0n> JanC: Thanks for having me !
 283 2009-03-25 22:31:26 *   t-Omicr0n (n=tom@64.145-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) heeft #ubuntu-be verlaten ("I'm out")
 284 2009-03-25 22:32:25 <jean7491>  linuxbabbel in lichtervelde ? the site linuxbabbel.be announces the next meeting on do. 26 februari !
 285 2009-03-25 22:32:56 <JanC>      jean7491: yes, it needs to be updated...
 286 2009-03-25 22:34:00 <JanC>      but there will be a meeting on April 23rd (Jaunty release)
 287 2009-03-25 22:35:02 <JanC>      see, bad communication everywhere  ツ
 288 2009-03-25 22:35:52 <jean7491>  "but there will be a meeting on April 23rd (Jaunty release)" in linuxbabbel Lichtervelde ?
 289 2009-03-25 22:36:11 <JanC>      yes
 290 2009-03-25 22:36:45 <JanC>      I suppose there will be a talk about what's new in jaunty
 291 2009-03-25 22:37:23 *   warddr (n=warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) is binnengekomen bij #ubuntu-be
 292 2009-03-25 22:37:27 <pvandewyngaerde>   send a mail to *censored* if you want an invitation
 293 2009-03-25 22:38:00 <warddr>    connection was lost, can anyone send me the log of the meeting?
 294 2009-03-25 22:38:06 <JanC>      pvandewyngaerde: you just illustrated why I'm against public logs on IRC  ;)
 295 2009-03-25 22:39:06 <JanC>      now I'll have to edit the log first to mask his mail-adres for spammers
 296 2009-03-25 22:39:23 <JanC>      warddr: no problem
 297 2009-03-25 22:39:41 <pvandewyngaerde>   oops, sorry totally forgot
 298 2009-03-25 22:39:55 <warddr>    I think you have my mail form the list, else i'll sent it private.
 299 2009-03-25 22:40:19 <JanC>      warddr: the log will be put on the wiki
 300 2009-03-25 22:40:26 <warddr>    ok great
 301 2009-03-25 22:41:40 <JanC>      anyway, let's stop here and discuss things further next Sunday
 302 2009-03-25 22:41:53 <siegie>    good idea
 303 2009-03-25 22:41:55 <JanC>      is that okay for everybody?
 304 2009-03-25 22:42:14 <mongolito404>      ok
 305 2009-03-25 22:42:49 <pvandewyngaerde>   ok
 306 2009-03-25 22:42:53 <mongolito404>      will somebody make a summary of the meeting on the ML (in additio to the full log)?
 307 2009-03-25 22:43:07 <jean7491>  ok, next events I know :   19/04/2009 Dipro fair Gent, 23/04/2009 Release Jaunty Linuxbabbel Lichtervelde, 25/04/2009  Relaese Jaunty « BitMappers » Hasselt,  24/05/2009 Dipro fair Antwerpen,
 308 2009-03-25 22:43:13 <warddr>    I have to go now
 309 2009-03-25 22:43:31 <JanC>      I'll post the logs on the wiki and try to make a summary tomorrow or Friday
 310 2009-03-25 22:43:33 <jean7491>  is there a hope for dipro mechelen ?
 311 2009-03-25 22:43:46 *   warddr heeft verlaten ("Ik ga weg")
 312 2009-03-25 22:43:50 <jean7491>  next we ?
 313 2009-03-25 22:44:26 <mongolito404>      jean7491: until the support for events on the website, the list of upcoming events can be added to the wiki
 314 2009-03-25 22:44:49 <JanC>      jean7491: unless I get a "yes we'll do it" from people around Mechelen before tomorrow noon, then no
 315 2009-03-25 22:44:55 <mongolito404>      https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/#Fair booths & Events
 316 2009-03-25 22:45:30 <JanC>      (as I have to contact dipro to ask for a booth)
 317 2009-03-25 22:48:50 *   pvandewyngaerde heeft verlaten ("sleep")
 318 2009-03-25 22:50:45 <mongolito404>      i'll go to sleep too
 319 2009-03-25 22:51:00 <mongolito404>      bye
 320 2009-03-25 22:51:11 <jean7491>  nobody in the room from around Mechelen ? or with ideas about volunteers ?
 321 2009-03-25 22:52:48 *   mongolito404 heeft verlaten ("Leaving.")
 322 2009-03-25 22:54:17 <JanC>      jean7491: I think we just need to get a better "volunteer database" in the future
 323 2009-03-25 22:56:01 <JanC>      otherwise, if the people who live in/around Mechelen don't find volunteers, how should we from 100+ km away?
 324 2009-03-25 22:56:32 <jean7491>  likely we have to take initiatives earlier, not only in our area (W. Vl.) but everywhere !
 325 2009-03-25 22:57:20 <JanC>      well, I think local people should do that, but we might have to find the right local people
 326 2009-03-25 22:58:26 <jean7491>  and review the BelgianTeam/Responsibility on events areas
 327 2009-03-25 22:58:49 <JanC>      yeah, that page is really outdated
 328 2009-03-25 23:00:57 <jean7491>  so we have to start the dipro fair Gent from now !
 329 2009-03-25 23:02:21 <JanC>      actually, for Ghent there is Dieter Vanderfaeillie
 330 2009-03-25 23:02:33 <JanC>      he organised it last time IIRC
 331 2009-03-25 23:03:12 <JanC>      and there were 2 other people from the Ghent area, plus me & Pieter
 332 2009-03-25 23:03:39 <jean7491>  in the wiki, I am alone, till now !
 333 2009-03-25 23:04:16 <JanC>      that's because people forget to change the wiki if they don't get a reminder  ;)
 334 2009-03-25 23:05:54 <jean7491>  ok, are their other events than dipro where we can reach a large public with an ubuntu booth ? likely locally known ...
 335 2009-03-25 23:07:06 <JanC>      sure
 336 2009-03-25 23:07:57 <JanC>      I've been thinking about 1 actually, because I know it very well
 337 2009-03-25 23:08:18 <JanC>      which is the "Hobbyfestival" in Koekelare
 338 2009-03-25 23:11:00 <jean7491>  yes, ... likely possible in other locations ... it is an idea to follow for future events !
 339 2009-03-25 23:11:03 <JanC>      it's organized by the Gezinsbond, and my mother is the secretary of the local chapter of teh Gezinsbond, so I've been a volunteer there before  ;)
 340 2009-03-25 23:11:40 <JanC>      it's in October, I would have to ask my mother for the exact date
 341 2009-03-25 23:13:20 <jean7491>  and perhaps if she knows anything about such an event elsewhere (through Gezinsbond) !
 342 2009-03-25 23:14:34 <jean7491>  and it is an idea to look for in oostende
 343 2009-03-25 23:14:43 <JanC>      we can't do too many events either, especially if we don't find more volunteers
 344 2009-03-25 23:15:54 <jean7491>  of course, but better a large shopping list where we can pick events as we found volunteers !
 345 2009-03-25 23:16:21 <JanC>      yeah, a list of potential events to participate sounds good
 346 2009-03-25 23:16:59 <JanC>      but for something like the Hobbyfestival we need to know in time
 347 2009-03-25 23:17:13 <JanC>      (months before it's "sold out" already)
 348 2009-03-25 23:17:19 *   DarkEra (n=darkera@unaffiliated/darkera) heeft #ubuntu-be verlaten ("Konversation terminated!")
 349 2009-03-25 23:19:10 <jean7491>  we need of planning (annual if possible) and make choices months before, and at the same time build a reserve of volunteers we can ask for help
 350 2009-03-25 23:19:11 *   zaphod_ heeft verlaten ("Ik ga weg")
 351 2009-03-25 23:20:04 <jean7491>  ;-) I stop for today, bye ;-)
 352 2009-03-25 23:20:38 *   jean7491 (n=jm@79.132.234.60) heeft #ubuntu-be verlaten

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