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   7 Mar 29 20:59:32 <JanC>  can everybody check that all the important things from last Wednesday are in the report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetingAgenda
   8 Mar 29 21:00:25 <pvandewyngaerde>       who is not idling ?
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  10 Mar 29 21:01:09 <JanC>  pvandewyngaerde means: who's here for the meeting?  ツ
  11 Mar 29 21:01:25 <BramCI_>       o/
  12 Mar 29 21:01:49 <jean7491>      ;-)
  13 Mar 29 21:01:56 <JanC>  aha, someone new  ツ
  14 Mar 29 21:03:20 <JanC>  how many people are logging the channel (I do, but in case I lose my connection...)
  15 Mar 29 21:04:55 <JanC>  so, okay seems like there are only 4 people here today...
  16 Mar 29 21:05:05 <pvandewyngaerde>       probably, dont know if konversation logs by default
  17 Mar 29 21:05:34 <JanC>  BramCI_: have you read the "report" from the previous meeting?
  18 Mar 29 21:06:32 <BramCI_>       JanC: no, it's required ?
  19 Mar 29 21:07:12 <JanC>  BramCI_: if you have any comments on it, then you can give them now
  20 Mar 29 21:07:37 <JanC>  for the other people, they can read it to check I didn't forget anything
  21 Mar 29 21:09:03 <BramCI_>       ok ok, I take a look
  22 Mar 29 21:09:55 <JanC>  jean7491: is it all correct what I wrote about what you proposed?
  23 Mar 29 21:10:12 <BramCI_>       oh, it's recent, are you trying to build something new ?
  24 Mar 29 21:10:42 <JanC>  we are trying to get ubuntu-be a bit more "alive" again
  25 Mar 29 21:10:52 <istaz_>        hello
  26 Mar 29 21:10:55 <jean7491>      ok but very late published ! Point 1 : ok for me, Point 2 : ok for publication in wiki, Point 3 Event-calendar on ubuntu-be.org :  but first work on content of calendar
  27 Mar 29 21:11:53 <JanC>  jean7491: I think the content (the list of events etc.) can start on the wiki, but at the same time Pierre (& others) can work on the site
  28 Mar 29 21:12:01 <JanC>  right?
  29 Mar 29 21:14:09 <jean7491>      ok, but we need more coordination about how (mise en page) to fill the list of event, only a detail
  30 Mar 29 21:15:01 <JanC>  you mean how to (for now) put it on the wiki?
  31 Mar 29 21:15:33 <JanC>  or how to build a list of possible events where to promote Ubuntu?
  32 Mar 29 21:16:34 <jean7491>      yes, but it is only a detail of alinea of mise en page (in het Fr), create an alinea or a table of events
  33 Mar 29 21:17:07 <jean7491>      not a topic for irc !
  34 Mar 29 21:17:52 <jean7491>      we can start with a list of events, and need input from the M-L
  35 Mar 29 21:17:53 <BramCI_>       mise en page == layout I think
  36 Mar 29 21:18:16 <jean7491>      yes, i forgot the word !
  37 Mar 29 21:18:41 <JanC>  jean7491: can you make a list to start with & then mail the mailing list?
  38 Mar 29 21:19:25 <JanC>  jean7491: maybe this should go on a page of its own too
  39 Mar 29 21:20:00 <JanC>  (I can help with how the wiki works if you have questions)
  40 Mar 29 21:20:20 <jean7491>      about ubuntu related and FOSS events, I have something and am looking for more on the net
  41 Mar 29 21:20:40 <JanC>  good
  42 Mar 29 21:21:31 <jean7491>      of course we need more input, events are often locally known (but not allways!)
  43 Mar 29 21:22:15 <JanC>  jean7491: indeed, like the Hobbyfestival I talked about on Wednesday
  44 Mar 29 21:23:18 <jean7491>      we spoke about ubuntu related and FOSS events, but there are more possibilities, like hobby festivals
  45 Mar 29 21:24:10 <JanC>  any computer-related event too  (e.g. the dipro fairs aren't about FOSS either)
  46 Mar 29 21:25:43 <JanC>  BTW, istaz_ & BramCI_ feel free to comment on whatever we say  ;)
  47 Mar 29 21:25:44 <jean7491>      let's start with ubuntu related and FOSS events information, including dipro fairs , after that we can consider more effective events like booth in general fairs
  48 Mar 29 21:27:37 <JanC>  we will never be able to do all these events, so I think more possible events is better (it's easier to find one that fits in people's free time)
  49 Mar 29 21:28:34 <JanC>  anyway, there has to be this list
  50 Mar 29 21:28:50 <JanC>  then we need to find volunteers  ;-)
  51 Mar 29 21:28:57 <BramCI_>       yep, but I don't know a lot of event you talk about
  52 Mar 29 21:30:32 <JanC>  BramCI_: if you know any event where it would be good to have an Ubuntu promo stand or whatever, then tell about it (or mail it to the mailing list, or put it on the wiki once jean7491 has created a page for this)
  53 Mar 29 21:31:35 <pvandewyngaerde>       maybe we can try to contact target organisations and ask on which events we can promote ourselves
  54 Mar 29 21:32:15 <jean7491>      target organisations : who ?
  55 Mar 29 21:32:18 <JanC>  pvandewyngaerde: what do you mean by "target organisations"?
  56 Mar 29 21:33:02 <JanC>  BramCI_: currently most promo stands we do is on Dipro fairs ("MicroMegaMarket" fairs)
  57 Mar 29 21:33:11 <pvandewyngaerde>       dunno,  gezinsbond,  oxfam? ,  kwb, kav, klj, ksa , ...
  58 Mar 29 21:33:35 <BramCI_>       JanC: dipro fairs ? do you have a link ?
  59 Mar 29 21:33:54 <JanC>  BramCI_: dipro.be
  60 Mar 29 21:34:34 <jean7491>      http://www.dipro.be/benl/micro_mega_market
  61 Mar 29 21:34:43 <JanC>  they are computer fairs where they sell second hand & new computer parts, all sorts of gadgets, etc.
  62 Mar 29 21:35:58 <JanC>  in the past also cheap CD-R/DVD-R (without the copytax), but that stopped after there was a police raid a couple of times  ;)
  63 Mar 29 21:36:58 <JanC>  pvandewyngaerde: I think most events by those are organised locally
  64 Mar 29 21:37:02 <BramCI_>       haha :D This stupid tax is really annoying
  65 Mar 29 21:38:10 <jean7491>      "ask on which events we can promote ourselves" is likely easier locally : but how to motivate members of the M-L of from ubuntu-be ?
  66 Mar 29 21:38:18 <JanC>  pvandewyngaerde: which is why jean7491 says people should put local events in their region on the list
  67 Mar 29 21:38:44 <JanC>  jean7491: we can ask them regularly  ;)
  68 Mar 29 21:39:04 <JanC>  jean7491: and by telling & showing what we do
  69 Mar 29 21:40:12 <jean7491>      do you know how many people are in the ML ? 124 members in ubuntu-be team but 53 non located geografically
  70 Mar 29 21:40:13 <JanC>  it's important that we make reports with photos etc. (but I'm really bad at that myself, I know...)
  71 Mar 29 21:40:35 <JanC>  jean7491: I can check it (I'm the list admin)
  72 Mar 29 21:40:42 <JanC>  second...
  73 Mar 29 21:41:03 <BramCI_>       launchpad have an integrate mailing list for teams, why are we using an other one ?
  74 Mar 29 21:41:24 <mimor> ok... I'm a bit late, but I'm finaly here
  75 Mar 29 21:41:25 <mimor> :p
  76 Mar 29 21:41:26 <JanC>  there are 383 people on the mailing list
  77 Mar 29 21:42:19 <mimor> Can we track how many of them are active?
  78 Mar 29 21:42:31 <JanC>  BramCI_: because that wasn't possible on LP until some months ago (and the list admin on LP aren't really as good as mailman)
  79 Mar 29 21:43:16 <JanC>  mimor: you mean, how many of them als osend mails and don't just (maybe) read them?
  80 Mar 29 21:43:24 <JanC>  also send*
  81 Mar 29 21:43:53 <mimor> JanC, how many that contribute
  82 Mar 29 21:44:14 <JanC>  contribute in what way?
  83 Mar 29 21:44:18 <mimor> I'm new to this list, so it perhaps, its more clear when I'm on it for a while
  84 Mar 29 21:44:58 <JanC>  I think only 10-20 people are really active on the list   :-(
  85 Mar 29 21:45:12 <mimor> I'll do my best to make it 21
  86 Mar 29 21:45:13 <mimor> ;)
  87 Mar 29 21:45:24 <JanC>  and probably < 10 who are really active
  88 Mar 29 21:45:37 <jean7491>      what do you think about developping a local structure based (provincie of stad) ? easier to collect infos, exchange, contact with local authorities, associations and clubs and organize local events ? a kind of sub-teams, perhaps based on the 20 active persons
  89 Mar 29 21:46:26 <JanC>  the problem is that at half of the really active people live in 1 province currently  ;)
  90 Mar 29 21:46:35 <BramCI_>       you always have a really small minority of people who really works on project likes this :/
  91 Mar 29 21:46:54 <BramCI_>       JanC: witch on e?
  92 Mar 29 21:47:01 <mimor> I'm a new member and noted that the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam#Meetings part is a little outdated
  93 Mar 29 21:47:25 <JanC>  West-Flanders (e.g. jean7491, pvandewyngaerde & me now)
  94 Mar 29 21:48:04 <mimor> its a start I guess
  95 Mar 29 21:48:07 <JanC>  mimor: right, the wiki needs to be updated, until we have this functionality on the website
  96 Mar 29 21:48:27 <istaz_>        re
  97 Mar 29 21:48:28 <JanC>  so if you want to help, then please do!
  98 Mar 29 21:48:46 <mimor> I have been helping is a certain way :D
  99 Mar 29 21:49:12 <mimor> but more as an ambassador than as an active community member
 100 Mar 29 21:49:22 <JanC>  that's okay
 101 Mar 29 21:49:34 <mimor> but I'm ready/old enough to step up a bit
 102 Mar 29 21:49:58 <JanC>  you can edit the wiki & make it better
 103 Mar 29 21:50:22 <JanC>  and you can always ask me questions here
 104 Mar 29 21:50:29 <mimor> nice!
 105 Mar 29 21:50:48 <mimor> is there a information about the workflow?
 106 Mar 29 21:51:20 <JanC>  if you have a LP account, you can log into the wiki & edit pages  ;)
 107 Mar 29 21:51:22 <mimor> As when I want to write a wiki to whom I should send it for revieuw etc?
 108 Mar 29 21:51:36 <mimor> so they shouldn't be checked first?
 109 Mar 29 21:51:43 <JanC>  but you can always ask me to review things if you want
 110 Mar 29 21:51:54 <mimor> ok
 111 Mar 29 21:52:05 <JanC>  there is no way to force any workflow on a wiki
 112 Mar 29 21:52:12 <mimor> If you need a job done... let me know
 113 Mar 29 21:52:24 <mimor> I'll be here almost every evening
 114 Mar 29 21:53:16 <JanC>  well, job #1: check the wiki for places where it's outdated or unclear or incomplete, and propose replacement content  ツ
 115 Mar 29 21:54:31 <jean7491>      JanC, you forgot matthew and lieven,  "really small minority of people who really works on project likes this" ok, but when you search on the net, there are a lot of associations doing the same (Linux, foss in Brussel, Liege, Arlon, Sambreville, Rixensart, Lichtervelde, ... i think the is a potential for ubuntu to grow
 116 Mar 29 21:55:00 <jean7491>      there is a potential ..
 117 Mar 29 21:55:43 <mimor> There is indeed a lot of potential
 118 Mar 29 21:55:47 <JanC>  jean7491: yes, I only listed people who were here, but you're right that we need to make those other people more active inside ubuntu-be
 119 Mar 29 21:56:17 <mimor> We need to be more active towards them I guess
 120 Mar 29 21:56:25 <JanC>  because they promote Ubuntu, but don't even let us know...
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 122 Mar 29 21:56:55 <JanC>  mimor: which is one reason why we want a calendar & event reports on the site
 123 Mar 29 21:57:47 <JanC>  many of these people are on the ubuntu-be mailing list BTW
 124 Mar 29 21:58:17 <mimor> We should make ourselves more visible to the outside
 125 Mar 29 21:58:39 <JanC>  yeah, and we're looking for ways to do that
 126 Mar 29 21:59:17 <mimor> Guess that's not a big deal
 127 Mar 29 21:59:27 <JanC>  everybody who has a good idea can propose it  ツ
 128 Mar 29 22:00:21 <mimor> I've had some great experience in promoting ubuntu on the social lower level of the home users
 129 Mar 29 22:00:48 <BramCI_>       what public do you want to talk to (apprehender) ?
 130 Mar 29 22:00:48 <mimor> perhaps we should get some focus towards them
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 133 Mar 29 22:01:30 <BramCI_>       to geeks to join and help us or to people to convince to use ubuntu ?
 134 Mar 29 22:01:34 <JanC>  they are one target public, so if you have ideas about how to reach them?
 135 Mar 29 22:01:42 <mimor> People who're still working on a Pentium 3 and a windows 98 as they don't have the money to buy a new one
 136 Mar 29 22:02:07 <mimor> I was surprised to see an article about an installation fest on indimedia a few years ago
 137 Mar 29 22:02:11 <mimor> that's a start
 138 Mar 29 22:02:46 <mimor> but we have those Free & social magazine's like Zone09 for ghent (I know they have them in Antwerp too)
 139 Mar 29 22:03:14 <JanC>  but does you target public read that magazine?
 140 Mar 29 22:03:23 <mimor> If we could manage to get an article that explains what Ubuntu is, en where to get the info (inform them about us) we can get a little further
 141 Mar 29 22:03:29 <mimor> yes they do
 142 Mar 29 22:03:41 <mimor> not all of them
 143 Mar 29 22:03:49 <mimor> but a lot of people actually do
 144 Mar 29 22:04:13 <JanC>  good, if you know how to get into that magazine  ツ
 145 Mar 29 22:04:15 <mimor> I live in a social block for over 7 years
 146 Mar 29 22:04:47 <mimor> The magazine was an example... there are many other ways to publish for free
 147 Mar 29 22:05:03 <mimor> but I'll look for a way to get into some of my area
 148 Mar 29 22:05:15 <mimor> but it would be nice if we could announce something in it
 149 Mar 29 22:05:28 <mimor> like a free installation/distribution event or something
 150 Mar 29 22:05:31 <JanC>  what's your area?
 151 Mar 29 22:05:35 <mimor> Ghent
 152 Mar 29 22:05:50 <pvandewyngaerde>       there is a dipro fair in gent soon
 153 Mar 29 22:06:05 <mimor> link?
 154 Mar 29 22:06:08 <JanC>  that's not really about Ubuntu though
 155 Mar 29 22:06:36 <jean7491>      dipro gent on 19/04
 156 Mar 29 22:07:04 <JanC>  mimor: you can help on the fair too, of course
 157 Mar 29 22:07:15 <istaz_>        21:56 < JanC> good, if you know how to get into that magazine  ツ << we can't really know till we try
 158 Mar 29 22:08:08 <JanC>  istaz_: right, but we need people who want to do this (I hate doing interviews ;) )
 159 Mar 29 22:08:48 *       istaz_ hate speaking
 160 Mar 29 22:08:50 <mimor> There's no interview I guess... Its the art of mailing a non-technical but interesting article to them
 161 Mar 29 22:08:51 <mimor> :p
 162 Mar 29 22:09:25 <JanC>  mimor: yes, we must do that if there is a local event
 163 Mar 29 22:09:26 <istaz_>        wasn't there already a article we published in the Metro newspaper sometimes ago?
 164 Mar 29 22:09:36 <istaz_>        s/sometimes/some years/
 165 Mar 29 22:09:42 <JanC>  istaz_: sure
 166 Mar 29 22:09:49 <istaz_>        a new article could be based on that one
 167 Mar 29 22:09:49 <mimor> But I'll try to find out how this works and get the information to you
 168 Mar 29 22:10:09 <JanC>  for the LTS releases we've sent press releases
 169 Mar 29 22:11:04 <JanC>  mimor: if you want to organise a release/install party for jaunty in Ghent, I'm sure there will be people to help
 170 Mar 29 22:11:23 <JanC>  and if there is such an event, we can contact the local press
 171 Mar 29 22:11:50 <mimor> I never organised something;... I'd love to but will need lots of help
 172 Mar 29 22:12:03 <mimor> I'm looking into the dipro thing...
 173 Mar 29 22:12:07 <JanC>  actually, I have a contact address from someone inside the local TV for Ghent who uses (used) Ubuntu  :P
 174 Mar 29 22:13:11 <mimor> you should ask him how we can get into the media
 175 Mar 29 22:13:33 <mimor> not on the TV but on paper
 176 Mar 29 22:13:34 <mimor> :p
 177 Mar 29 22:14:12 <mimor> Can't find a lot of info on the dipro fair :P (there is nothing on the icc page neither)
 178 Mar 29 22:14:20 <istaz_>        JanC: press release are a bit to technical to be published in non-computer oriented newspaper
 179 Mar 29 22:14:37 <JanC>  istaz_: that depends on how you write them
 180 Mar 29 22:15:48 <JanC>  mimor: what do you need to know?
 181 Mar 29 22:16:14 <mimor> Is there already an ubuntu/linux event?
 182 Mar 29 22:16:39 <JanC>  there will be an Ubuntu stand at the fair in Ghent, yes
 183 Mar 29 22:16:41 <mimor> the costs of a booth is €19/m
 184 Mar 29 22:16:55 <JanC>  and we pay 38 € / 4 m
 185 Mar 29 22:17:02 <mimor> will you be there?
 186 Mar 29 22:17:05 <jean7491>      for dipro gent :   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Gent_2009-04-19
 187 Mar 29 22:17:06 <mimor> I'm glad to help
 188 Mar 29 22:17:19 <mimor> I live near the ICC (10mins walking form my frontdoor)
 189 Mar 29 22:17:33 <JanC>  mimor: I'm not sure yet if I will be there, but others will
 190 Mar 29 22:17:46 <pvandewyngaerde>       normally  i will be there too, its my B-day
 191 Mar 29 22:17:50 <mimor> ow
 192 Mar 29 22:17:52 <mimor> :)
 193 Mar 29 22:18:01 <mimor> remind me ;) I'll buy you something
 194 Mar 29 22:18:06 <mimor> probably a drink
 195 Mar 29 22:18:16 <JanC>  and there are 2 or 3 people from Ghent which I expect will be there too
 196 Mar 29 22:18:30 <mimor> who should I contact or where should I enlist?
 197 Mar 29 22:19:18 <JanC>  you can put yourself on the wiki to start with
 198 Mar 29 22:19:44 <JanC>  normally 1-2 weeks before the fair, someone mails the list to ask for volunteers
 199 Mar 29 22:20:10 <JanC>  so that those people can coordinate who brings what
 200 Mar 29 22:20:30 <mimor> ok
 201 Mar 29 22:20:40 <mimor> my tasklist is growing fast :D
 202 Mar 29 22:20:44 <jean7491>      there is already a page in the wiki   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Gent_2009-04-19  and there will be an irc meeting (tbd)
 203 Mar 29 22:20:54 <mimor> greate
 204 Mar 29 22:22:04 <jean7491>      are all unutu-be members in the M-L ? I suppose
 205 Mar 29 22:22:36 <JanC>  jean7491: I'm not sure...
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 207 Mar 29 22:26:18 <mimor> I guess not. I had to subscribe to the ML after I joined on lounchpad
 208 Mar 29 22:26:28 <mimor> *launchpad
 209 Mar 29 22:26:42 <mimor> I guess its not linked
 210 Mar 29 22:26:53 <jean7491>      124 members, but  53 are not located on the map ubuntu-be - why?
 211 Mar 29 22:27:28 <JanC>  jean7491: the map thing on launchpad = the map on ubuntu-be
 212 Mar 29 22:27:35 <JanC>  erm
 213 Mar 29 22:27:43 <JanC>  I mean !=
 214 Mar 29 22:27:50 <JanC>  it's not the same thing
 215 Mar 29 22:28:06 <BramCI_>       where is that other map ?
 216 Mar 29 22:28:16 <JanC>  map.ubuntu-be.org
 217 Mar 29 22:28:36 <BramCI_>       thanks you
 218 Mar 29 22:28:42 <mimor> are there people of openminds online right now?
 219 Mar 29 22:28:42 <jean7491>      i know, i speak about the map via lp, not the support point
 220 Mar 29 22:29:11 <JanC>  jean7491: the reason they are not on that map is because they didn't tell where they are
 221 Mar 29 22:29:45 <JanC>  mimor: no (not here at least)
 222 Mar 29 22:30:01 <mimor> http://www.ubuntu.be  >> should it be linked to http://www.ubuntu-be.org ??
 223 Mar 29 22:30:09 <mimor> I can go and ask them if you want
 224 Mar 29 22:30:42 <JanC>  mimor: they don't own that domain
 225 Mar 29 22:30:55 <JanC>  they are just the domain agent
 226 Mar 29 22:31:10 <JanC>  (I know the owner)
 227 Mar 29 22:31:29 <JanC>  so I could ask him to do...
 228 Mar 29 22:31:32 <mimor> ow :s that's too bad
 229 Mar 29 22:32:02 <mimor> I tought so because of http://who.is/whois/ubuntu.be/
 230 Mar 29 22:32:11 <JanC>  I know 2 of the openminds people too BTW  ;)
 231 Mar 29 22:33:00 <mimor> I used to walk by their office quite a lot, and was happy to see a lot of ubuntu covers on their window :D
 232 Mar 29 22:33:39 <JanC>  yeah, I've been there once (bought a laptop from them some years ago)
 233 Mar 29 22:34:15 <mimor> I was looking to buy webspace from them... but I guess I'll take one.come
 234 Mar 29 22:34:27 <mimor> but that's not the thing we should talk about right now
 235 Mar 29 22:34:29 <mimor> :p
 236 Mar 29 22:34:36 <jean7491>      map of unbuntu-be members - they do not want to tell their adres : ok but why not an indication (city) on the (google) map ?
 237 Mar 29 22:34:43 <JanC>  one.com is cheap (in both meanings of that word...)
 238 Mar 29 22:35:04 <mimor> I'm a home user ;) cheap is enough
 239 Mar 29 22:35:06 <mimor> but nvm
 240 Mar 29 22:35:13 <JanC>  jean7491: the maps on LP haven't been there for long
 241 Mar 29 22:35:23 <mimor> I've read the hardware wishlist ....
 242 Mar 29 22:35:45 <mimor> Isn't there a way to get them from the city's?
 243 Mar 29 22:36:09 <JanC>  jean7491: and most people don't go to their page on LP every day...
 244 Mar 29 22:36:13 <mimor> I know they just replace their hardware and just dump the old ones the be recycled ><
 245 Mar 29 22:37:46 <JanC>  jean7491: and I'm not going to set locations for other people without them saying that's okay
 246 Mar 29 22:38:12 <jean7491>      of course
 247 Mar 29 22:38:30 <mimor> or perhaps we can ask company's to donate their "old" & deprecated laptops/mice to us?
 248 Mar 29 22:39:37 <mimor> JanC, we can ask them to do so in the next mailing?
 249 Mar 29 22:40:29 <JanC>  mimor: we do have some computers to use already
 250 Mar 29 22:41:13 <mimor> I have 1 personal laptop that can be of use too
 251 Mar 29 22:41:51 <JanC>  yeah, most people who help at the booth bring laptops or old PCs
 252 Mar 29 22:42:56 <mimor> I rarely use it, so If it's needed, I can bring it along. (I use another one as my main laptop)
 253 Mar 29 22:43:14 <mimor> but I guess I can give this info on requesting mails
 254 Mar 29 22:43:25 <JanC>  indeed
 255 Mar 29 22:43:30 <JanC>  make sure it has a recent Ubuntu version if possible
 256 Mar 29 22:44:20 <mimor> not a problem
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 258 Mar 29 22:44:38 <jean7491>      local sub-team - example of gent : 5 members on the map, 1 of the 5 is on the list for dipro : this member could email to the 4 others to inform about the dipro fair
 259 Mar 29 22:46:09 <jean7491>      it is not the same as the support points - do you see a problem about suggestion ?
 260 Mar 29 22:46:44 <JanC>  for me it's okay to mail the people on the support points map too...
 261 Mar 29 22:47:49 <JanC>  except we would have to ask Pierre or ask to get access to the server (I can get the mail addresses _if_ I have access to the server & the database)
 262 Mar 29 22:48:40 <JanC>  we should take care that there aren't too many people at the booth too  ;)
 263 Mar 29 22:49:09 <jean7491>      i understand the comment of pierre for the support points, members of ubuntu-be are in the definition willing to promote ubuntu
 264 Mar 29 22:50:07 <JanC>  I suggest you mail the mailing list first, maybe some of them will answer there
 265 Mar 29 22:50:12 <istaz> OT : For computers don't forget that oxfam also sell second hand computer for a cheap price  and I think some of they are running ubuntu
 266 Mar 29 22:50:18 <JanC>  no need to mail people twice  ツ
 267 Mar 29 22:50:39 <JanC>  istaz: yes, in some of their shops they do
 268 Mar 29 22:51:20 <istaz> maybe it could be nice to do some shared activity with them
 269 Mar 29 22:51:50 <istaz> like a starting/discovery course for new owner of theses computer
 270 Mar 29 22:53:59 <JanC>  we can cooperate on something like that, if we find someone to give such courses...
 271 Mar 29 22:54:07 <istaz> they also seem to propose thin client installation http://www.easyespace.be/content/view/85/121/lang,fr/
 272 Mar 29 22:54:31 <istaz> yes that's always the problem ;)
 273 Mar 29 22:55:02 <JanC>  maybe cooperation with "volkshogechool" type organisations would work too
 274 Mar 29 22:55:06 *       selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo) has joined #ubuntu-be
 275 Mar 29 22:55:18 <istaz> what is it?
 276 Mar 29 22:55:46 <pvandewyngaerde>       i am going to sleep, i have to work tomorrow
 277 Mar 29 22:56:03 <JanC>  e.g. in Bruges there is: http://www.vormingplusbrugge.be/icms/web/php/index.php
 278 Mar 29 22:56:47 <JanC>  they organise courses & such
 279 Mar 29 22:58:16 <mimor> I've seen that there are installation beats at the Hogent too
 280 Mar 29 22:58:35 <JanC>  link?
 281 Mar 29 22:58:37 <mimor> Zeus, from the uGent also supports linux
 282 Mar 29 22:58:51 <JanC>  yeah, I know zeus
 283 Mar 29 22:59:17 <mimor> http://wvs.hgsr.be/
 284 Mar 29 22:59:37 <mimor> http://zeus.ugent.be/
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 286 Mar 29 23:02:13 <jean7491>      to work locally, i was thinking about contact with ee sociaal huis in oostende to propose some meeting about ubuntu (with a limited public)
 287 Mar 29 23:02:15 <mimor> but how can we co-opperate?
 288 Mar 29 23:02:46 <JanC>  jean7491: good idea, do you have contacts there already?
 289 Mar 29 23:04:38 <jean7491>      not yet i am first thinking about. by the way i read that cedric janssens was working with 3x20 groups , do you know ?
 290 Mar 29 23:05:52 <JanC>  what's 3x20 groups?
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 292 Mar 29 23:07:13 <mimor> I guess 3 sessions of 20 people?
 293 Mar 29 23:07:20 *       wouterh (n=wouter@jig.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be) has joined #ubuntu-be
 294 Mar 29 23:07:26 <jean7491>      more than 60 years old !
 295 Mar 29 23:07:53 <jean7491>      so i understood from his page in the wiki
 296 Mar 29 23:08:41 <JanC>  well, he has an organisation for such things IIRC
 297 Mar 29 23:09:38 <pvandewyngaerde>       goodnight
 298 Mar 29 23:09:47 <JanC>  slaapwel  ツ
 299 Mar 29 23:10:10 <jean7491>      uch things IIRC ?
 300 Mar 29 23:10:39 <mimor> I added myself to the goodnight
 301 Mar 29 23:10:39 <jean7491>      what is IIRC ?
 302 Mar 29 23:10:45 <mimor> I addes myself to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Gent_2009-04-19 list
 303 Mar 29 23:10:47 <pvandewyngaerde>       if i remember correctly
 304 Mar 29 23:10:49 <JanC>  he has an association or little company to organise courses I think
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 306 Mar 29 23:11:43 <jean7491>      i have to think about this project
 307 Mar 29 23:11:46 <JanC>  aha, so 2 of the people on the LP map are already on that wikipage
 308 Mar 29 23:13:24 <mimor> JanC, are you living/working somewhere near Ghent?
 309 Mar 29 23:13:55 <JanC>  I guess I can already order the booth for Dipro Ghent...
 310 Mar 29 23:14:00 <JanC>  mimor: Bruges
 311 Mar 29 23:14:25 <JanC>  jean7491 is in Ostend & pvandewyngaerde is in Tielt
 312 Mar 29 23:15:18 <JanC>  I worked in Ghent last year...
 313 Mar 29 23:15:27 <JanC>  (Arteveldehogeschool)
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 316 Mar 29 23:17:48 <mimor> so its quite hard to have a monthly drink & talk event
 317 Mar 29 23:17:55 <mimor> and keep it alive
 318 Mar 29 23:18:09 <jean7491>      ok for the booth in gent, but ask dipro Ubuntu-be to be added in the links on their site (with short presentation ubuntu) !
 319 Mar 29 23:18:43 <JanC>  jean7491: on what page exactly do you want us?
 320 Mar 29 23:19:15 <JanC>  http://www.dipro.be/benl/links <-- here?
 321 Mar 29 23:19:16 <jean7491>      here http://www.dipro.be/benl/links
 322 Mar 29 23:19:42 <JanC>  okay, I'll ask  ツ
 323 Mar 29 23:20:31 <jean7491>      what do you think about working with local groups
 324 Mar 29 23:21:20 <jean7491>      basic idea is to work locally : in this case, someone from Gent should mail to members of gent first to inform about the event, and later requestiong help if necessary ----- and additionnally, in gent there are perhaps other members not on the map
 325 Mar 29 23:22:54 <mimor> I guess some personal contact events will boost the willingness of some people
 326 Mar 29 23:23:25 <mimor> it's motivating to interact with people if you know them a little
 327 Mar 29 23:23:28 <JanC>  mimor: do you know a place where such an event can happen?
 328 Mar 29 23:23:42 <JanC>  e.g. around the date of the next Ubuntu release?
 329 Mar 29 23:23:57 <JanC>  (end of April, maybe early May)
 330 Mar 29 23:24:02 <jean7491>        and the same for other cities ...
 331 Mar 29 23:24:11 <mimor> guess the best thing is a week after the release... so we have some interesting talking points
 332 Mar 29 23:24:31 <mimor> I only know Ghent for accomodation
 333 Mar 29 23:25:17 <JanC>  mimor: I mean in Ghent (it's central for many people who live at this side of Brussels & Antwerp
 334 Mar 29 23:26:33 <mimor> I know a place where people can eate, drink and smoke while they have a wireless connection
 335 Mar 29 23:26:35 <JanC>  jean7491: it's how I'd like things to happen, provided that there is some coordination with central ubuntu-be (but that should become better if we can announce local events on the site)
 336 Mar 29 23:27:33 <JanC>  smoking is not a requirement for me (they can smoke outside ;) ), but what place is it?
 337 Mar 29 23:28:41 <mimor> Curieuze Neuze, Brusselsesteenweg 412, 9050 Gent
 338 Mar 29 23:28:48 <mimor> it's a small café
 339 Mar 29 23:29:00 <mimor> the upper part can be rented (but is smoke-free)
 340 Mar 29 23:29:08 <mimor> I happen to know the son of the owner ><
 341 Mar 29 23:29:35 <mimor> I guess that'll be enouth as there won't be that many people attending the first meet&greet
 342 Mar 29 23:29:45 <mimor> or however we should name the event
 343 Mar 29 23:29:48 <JanC>  "rented" ?
 344 Mar 29 23:29:59 <mimor> it's public
 345 Mar 29 23:30:00 <JanC>  I'd call it a release party  ;)
 346 Mar 29 23:30:40 <mimor> but the upper part can be made private if we wish (guess I'll have to ask whether we should pay for it)
 347 Mar 29 23:31:10 <JanC>  I guess they will say something like "at least 2 drinks a person" or such
 348 Mar 29 23:31:27 <JanC>  what do they have to eat BTW?
 349 Mar 29 23:31:38 <mimor> =D
 350 Mar 29 23:31:51 <mimor> spaghetti lasagna croques etc...
 351 Mar 29 23:32:13 <mimor> its not verry expensive but not cheap neither ...
 352 Mar 29 23:32:20 <JanC>  self-made or el cheapo stuff from Aldi?  ;)
 353 Mar 29 23:32:25 <mimor> I payed 10Euros for a "croque uitsmijter"
 354 Mar 29 23:32:31 <mimor> self-made
 355 Mar 29 23:32:58 <mimor> they have a women and a kitchen :)
 356 Mar 29 23:33:26 <mimor> and all the stuff is fresh and more than enough to be pleased
 357 Mar 29 23:33:37 <mimor> perhaps I should go take some pictures?
 358 Mar 29 23:34:04 <jean7491>      if possible we should invite other people to the release party,   promotion not limited to the ubuntu-fans
 359 Mar 29 23:34:55 <JanC>  how do you see that?
 360 Mar 29 23:35:37 <JanC>  for larger release parties with speakers etc. that would be a must
 361 Mar 29 23:36:28 <JanC>  mimor: how many people can sit in that upstairs room?
 362 Mar 29 23:36:29 <jean7491>      minimum 5 to 10 non-ubuntu
 363 Mar 29 23:37:11 <mimor> upstairs, I guess 15 people
 364 Mar 29 23:37:25 <mimor> I just called the guy to inform on the pricing
 365 Mar 29 23:37:27 <JanC>  jean7491: I think this is more about meeting potential volunteers, I think?
 366 Mar 29 23:37:44 <JanC>  mimor: and?
 367 Mar 29 23:37:51 <jean7491>      yes
 368 Mar 29 23:37:52 <mimor> he'll talk to his dad, and he will propose a one-drink a person
 369 Mar 29 23:38:00 <mimor> so it's free
 370 Mar 29 23:38:09 <mimor> but I have to await the results
 371 Mar 29 23:38:12 <mimor> (tomorrow)
 372 Mar 29 23:38:14 <JanC>  we'll drink more & probably some will eat too  ;)
 373 Mar 29 23:38:20 <mimor> I know
 374 Mar 29 23:38:21 <mimor> :p
 375 Mar 29 23:38:48 <jean7491>      about dates : 23/04 release ubuntu 9.04, 23/04 Release party lichtervelde, 25/04 release party in Hasselt, next we is 01/05 ! difficult !
 376 Mar 29 23:40:12 <mimor> oh, and for the party, we can have a DJ :D
 377 Mar 29 23:40:24 <mimor> an Ipod and a music table :p
 378 Mar 29 23:40:37 <mimor> but first I'll awayt the price
 379 Mar 29 23:40:44 <mimor> who should I inform about it?
 380 Mar 29 23:40:53 <mimor> Or should I just put it here?
 381 Mar 29 23:42:01 <JanC>  maybe Friday 24 or Sunday 26 or the next weekend...
 382 Mar 29 23:43:48 <mimor> its all fine by me
 383 Mar 29 23:43:51 <JanC>  mimor: are they open on Sunday?
 384 Mar 29 23:44:03 <mimor> Yes they are
 385 Mar 29 23:44:06 <jean7491>      avoid we 01 may ! likely better sunday 26/04
 386 Mar 29 23:44:07 <JanC>  we should ask on the mailing list
 387 Mar 29 23:44:53 <JanC>  mimor: are you on the Dutch forums ?
 388 Mar 29 23:45:42 <mimor> the http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/ forum?
 389 Mar 29 23:45:57 <JanC>  yes
 390 Mar 29 23:46:25 <mimor> I subscribed today :)
 391 Mar 29 23:46:39 <JanC>  I'm sure we can find some interested people there too
 392 Mar 29 23:47:23 <mimor> what audience are we aiming at for the party?
 393 Mar 29 23:48:04 <JanC>  people interested in Ubuntu who want to meet other people interested in Ubuntu?  ツ
 394 Mar 29 23:48:40 <JanC>  OTOH, we'll have to take care no more than 15 people show up  ;)
 395 Mar 29 23:48:57 <JanC>  if we promote it too much I mean
 396 Mar 29 23:49:04 <mimor> yup
 397 Mar 29 23:49:10 <JanC>  maybe first try to find people not too far from Ghent
 398 Mar 29 23:49:24 <mimor> Count me and my buddy in ;)
 399 Mar 29 23:49:40 <JanC>  people who want to help...
 400 Mar 29 23:49:50 <mimor> hmmm.. http://www.releaseparty.eu/ >>> ???? 
 401 Mar 29 23:50:31 <JanC>  they are still working on that site
 402 Mar 29 23:51:01 <mimor> owk :)
 403 Mar 29 23:51:40 <jean7491>      JanC i have to stop, my summary till now is the following :...
 404 Mar 29 23:51:52 <jean7491>      add next known events in wiki (jean7491), more local initiatives (information on events in the ML),  proposal release party in gent with invitations to limited public (place!)(26/04?), ubuntu-be members should set their location on the LaunchPad map?
 405 Mar 29 23:52:30 <jean7491>      next meeting ? 01/04 not a joke ?
 406 Mar 29 23:52:54 <mimor> 01/04 evening I hope
 407 Mar 29 23:53:05 <jean7491>      21 h.
 408 Mar 29 23:53:09 <mimor> ok
 409 Mar 29 23:53:13 <mimor> bussy day that day ><
 410 Mar 29 23:53:24 <JanC>  well, "should set their location" is maybe too strong?
 411 Mar 29 23:53:33 <mimor> it is too strong
 412 Mar 29 23:53:37 <JanC>  we ask them to do that to make things easier  ツ
 413 Mar 29 23:53:43 <mimor> we can suggest to set it
 414 Mar 29 23:53:48 <jean7491>      feel free to change !
 415 Mar 29 23:54:00 <mimor> to ease the communication
 416 Mar 29 23:54:03 <mimor> :p
 417 Mar 29 23:54:20 <JanC>  okay, I'm going to prepare some food now (I'm used to eat at 22h and it's 2h later already)
 418 Mar 29 23:54:35 <mimor> ok
 419 Mar 29 23:55:14 <jean7491>      it is just a summary before i leave,               bon appetit !  :P
 420 Mar 29 23:55:32 <jean7491>      bye ;-)
 421 Mar 29 23:55:41 <JanC>  slaapwel  ツ
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 423 Mar 29 23:56:22 <mimor> I'll inform for the following: how to get local press attention, price & date for the releaseparty, check the wiki for outdated or unclear places
 424 Mar 29 23:57:00 <mimor> JanC, Smakelijk ;)
 425 Mar 29 23:58:55 <JanC>  mimor: the party will be too small
 426 Mar 29 23:59:15 <mimor> too small?
 427 Mar 29 23:59:21 <JanC>  or do you mean press attention more in general?
 428 Mar 29 23:59:21 <mimor> not enough attendees?
 429 Mar 29 23:59:27 <mimor> yes
 430 Mar 29 23:59:40 <mimor> Those were 2 seperate things
 431 Mar 29 23:59:47 <JanC>  I mean, if we get into the press, we need more than 15 places  ;)
 432 Mar 29 23:59:49 <mimor> first we need to get more organised I guess
 433 Mar 30 00:00:05 <mimor> then we can get into the press with something as an installation beat
 434 Mar 30 00:00:19 <mimor> but first we need to know almost exactly how much we can handle
 435 Mar 30 00:00:30 <mimor> (I have to know before I set something up)
 436 Mar 30 00:00:39 <JanC>  right
 437 Mar 30 00:00:50 <mimor> I'm only gonna try to get some information
 438 Mar 30 00:01:21 <mimor> like, how can we get into the press, who can help?; how does it all work
 439 Mar 30 00:02:12 <mimor> I'm just going to inform myself... so when the day comes, we can act quicker and have the word spread faster (I'm starting to sound like a preacher) :D
 440 Mar 30 00:02:44 <mimor> so the upcomming party and the media-attention point are not related
 441 Mar 30 00:02:50 <mimor> ;)
 442 Mar 30 00:03:08 <JanC>  for the national press, we have a list of contacts
 443 Mar 30 00:03:19 <JanC>  but not really for local press
 444 Mar 30 00:04:15 <JanC>  and I'm sure all the local press has an e-mail address to submit press releases, but it's always better if you know a person to contact  ;)
 445 Mar 30 00:05:46 <mimor> JanC, http://www.zone09.be/ http://www.metrotime.be/ http://www3.gent.be/evenementenkalender/
 446 Mar 30 00:05:47 <mimor> ;)
 447 Mar 30 00:06:14 <mimor> http://www.gentblogt.be/
 448 Mar 30 00:06:16 <mimor> etc....
 449 Mar 30 00:06:23 <mimor> but I'll figure that out
 450 Mar 30 00:06:36 <JanC>  mimor: the openminds peopel are on gentblogt, I think
 451 Mar 30 00:06:47 <JanC>  maybe others too
 452 Mar 30 00:06:49 <mimor> It would be nice to get them inside our groop
 453 Mar 30 00:06:53 <mimor> group ;)
 454 Mar 30 00:07:14 <mimor> guess they can support us in ways we can't
 455 Mar 30 00:08:14 <JanC>  hm, seems like they aren't
 456 Mar 30 00:09:06 <mimor> you said you know some people from openminds
 457 Mar 30 00:09:18 <JanC>  yes
 458 Mar 30 00:09:24 <mimor> are you in a position where you can ask them?
 459 Mar 30 00:09:38 <mimor> you can mention it ;)
 460 Mar 30 00:10:25 >JanC<  mn persoonlijk mailadres is mike@morraye.be > kan je me altijd op contacteren
 461 Mar 30 00:10:33 <JanC>  i don't think they will help at dipro events or such, but I can contact them about a meet & greet (but they are on the mailing list I think)
 462 Mar 30 00:11:56 <mimor> we can keep in mind they or other commercial instances can support us
 463 Mar 30 00:19:56 Already marked away: I'm busy
 464 Mar 30 00:19:56 Usage: AWAY [<reason>], sets you away
 465 Mar 30 00:20:30 <JanC>  our biggest sponsor is guy duportail currently  ;)
 466 Mar 30 00:20:42 <mimor> k
 467 Mar 30 00:20:46 <mimor> but I'm off
 468 Mar 30 00:20:56 <mimor> have to work tomorrow :p
 469 Mar 30 00:21:00 <JanC>  but other companies would be great
 470 Mar 30 00:21:05 <JanC>  okay
 471 Mar 30 00:21:32 <JanC>  slaapwel  ツ