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   2 (12:51:00) #ubuntu-be: Le sujet de #ubuntu-be est : http://ubuntu-be.org | get support at #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu | IRC meeting on Wednesday 2009-05-27 at 21h (UTC+2), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings for agenda and more information
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   4 (21:00:43) sarduwie [n=sven@57.203-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] a rejoint le salon.
   5 (21:03:37) jean7491: hello everybody, who is here for ubuntu-be irc weekly meeting ?
   6 (21:03:50) pvandewyngaerde: i
   7 (21:04:01) jean7491: 1
   8 (21:04:08) d1ogenes: i am
   9 (21:04:10) jean7491: 2
  10 (21:04:14) Wamukota: i am 2
  11 (21:04:21) jean7491: 3
  12 (21:06:57) JanC: o/
  13 (21:07:02) pvandewyngaerde: ping Gh0sty
  14 (21:09:50) d1ogenes: hello?
  15 (21:10:31) jean7491: let's start at 21.15 h.
  16 (21:10:37) d1ogenes: k
  17 (21:14:57) Gh0sty: pong
  18 (21:15:06) d1ogenes a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving")
  19 (21:15:30) Gh0sty: 4,5 ofzoiets :p
  20 (21:15:43) jean7491: let's start with topic 1. follow up Dipro Fair in Antwerpen 
  21 (21:16:09) jean7491: report + pictures have been posted in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerpen_2009-05-24 
  22 (21:16:39) jean7491: it was a success event, despite bad place for the booth and last minute problem with volunteers - the booth was run by 2 from ostende and 1 from antwerpen). 
  23 (21:17:17) jean7491: special thanks to matthew and willem !
  24 (21:17:28) Wamukota: so except with volunteers all went well.
  25 (21:18:04) jean7491: indeed, a lot of visitors, contacts and s.o.
  26 (21:18:34) Wamukota: what were the questions they posed?
  27 (21:18:34) jean7491: a few lessons learned for the next dipro fairs ...
  28 (21:18:51) JanC: I think we can't keep the "West-Flemish team" running around the country
  29 (21:19:18) jean7491: questions : mostly cohabitation win-ubuntu
  30 (21:20:01) jean7491: and a lot of general presentations and demos
  31 (21:20:29) Wamukota: based on the experieces what is the minimum crew needed to run a dipro booth?
  32 (21:20:44) Jurgentje [n=Jurgentj@94-225-21-90.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
  33 (21:20:54) jean7491: JanC "West-Flemish team" cannot be everywhere !
  34 (21:21:30) jean7491: for big fairs like ghent and antwerpen, we need to plan with 6 volunteers, and can do it with less if last minute problem occurs. for other fairs, 4 volunteers can do the work 
  35 (21:22:09) Gh0sty: i could jump in for ghent perhaps sometimes ...
  36 (21:22:18) jean7491: dipro fairs are a easy way to promote ubuntu: firstly ubuntu must be present and more visible for the public with banner, posters, tux and a nice booth, secondly we have the opportunity to address a large public with information and demos. 
  37 (21:22:24) Gh0sty: but antwerp I don't know, like parking etc ... :/
  38 (21:22:46) Gh0sty: Gent i know enough to find a parking spot close which I can stay for half a day ;)
  39 (21:23:08) Gh0sty: from that "support for posters" on the wiki
  40 (21:23:14) Wamukota: but 10 dipro fairs in the second half of the year, it too much for a small crew like ours
  41 (21:23:30) Gh0sty: something with a couple of pieces of wood and a nail or 2 ?:/
  42 (21:24:08) jean7491: dipro fairs : it means we have to be everywhere if possible and visible for the public
  43 (21:24:09) Wamukota: it is almost 50 man days of effort for us
  44 (21:24:38) jean7491: we speak later about the poster support !
  45 (21:24:59) jean7491: first a few words about the booth ...
  46 (21:25:09) Wamukota: ok, we must be everywhere, but is the result worth the effort?
  47 (21:25:12) Wamukota: k
  48 (21:25:19) Gh0sty: gent and wieze are doable from here, those I did myself in the past, but the rest ... :/
  49 (21:25:34) jean7491: we need at least 3 tables in front, enough depth to install screen and posters and a location close to the entrance (if possible) 
  50 (21:26:00) jean7491: JanC - it is something for dipro, if possible
  51 (21:26:32) jean7491: but it is in function of the available surface of the fair !
  52 (21:27:46) Wamukota: do we have our own tables?
  53 (21:28:01) jean7491: no, dipro mat.
  54 (21:28:06) Wamukota: k
  55 (21:28:30) Wamukota: so the only stuff we bring along is our stuff
  56 (21:29:18) JanC: jean74911: officially we have 4m booth, how much did you get?
  57 (21:29:41) Carroarmato00 [n=christop@173.177-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] a rejoint le salon.
  58 (21:29:47) jean7491: our stuff : hardware, promo mat. + deco mat.conclusion for a'pen : very positive !
  59 (21:30:13) jean7491: JanC : 2 tables (2m) = 4 m.
  60 (21:30:27) JanC: if we need more, we'll have to pay more...
  61 (21:30:45) JanC: which is probably no problem
  62 (21:31:14) jean7491: in ghent, bredene, kortrijk, ... we had at least 3 tables, 
  63 (21:31:41) JanC: yeah, I guess if they are not "sold out" they give more to avoid empty places ;)
  64 (21:32:15) jean7491: it was the 1st time i saw we lacked work surface 
  65 (21:32:20) svg [n=svg@78-21-189-131.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
  66 (21:32:34) JanC: so maybe something to think about next time
  67 (21:32:42) JanC: for Antwerp fair
  68 (21:33:11) jean7491: next a'pen fair is in another location antwerp expo
  69 (21:34:48) jean7491: by the way, i already have 4 names of people who said they are ok for the next a'pen fair
  70 (21:35:19) hfsdo: jean74911: normally i will be there too
  71 (21:35:37) jean7491: 3 in a'pen and 1 30 km from there
  72 (21:36:00) Jurgentje: I'll be trying to be there in Mechelen, and maybe in Antwerp too if it's on a date that works out for me
  73 (21:36:06) Jurgentje: (I'm pretty taken in the weekends)
  74 (21:36:18) jean7491: we start with the next fair mid-august
  75 (21:37:01) jean7491: and it is a way to jump in topic # 2 Other (next) events
  76 (21:38:16) jean7491: program of dipro fairs september to december is posted in the wiki 
  77 (21:39:05) jean7491: ubuntu-be booth can easily be organized in ghent, ostende and kortrijk : we will have enough volunteers !
  78 (21:39:58) jean7491: booth in antwerpen is possible if additional volunteers from ubuntu-be show up in addition to my 4 names
  79 (21:40:35) JanC: Bruges is no problem either, but there weren't many visitors there...
  80 (21:41:04) hfsdo: i will normally be on the antwerp fair as volunteer
  81 (21:41:23) jean7491: for charleroi, genk, hasselt and mechelen, we will need volunteers and someone who take the lead for the organisation (not from W. Fanders team). 
  82 (21:41:58) jean7491: and here are the problems !
  83 (21:42:07) JanC: well, we can help them from the west-flanders team to prepare and such
  84 (21:42:54) Gh0sty: there is nobody here from around hasselt/genk ?
  85 (21:42:55) svg a quitté le salon (quit: "Quitting, bye")
  86 (21:43:04) Gh0sty: cause those locations is the other side of belgium :/
  87 (21:43:17) JanC: Gh0sty: even more so for us ;)
  88 (21:43:25) Gh0sty: yes i know :p
  89 (21:43:30) hfsdo: if all goes well i will be studying there next school year
  90 (21:43:45) Gh0sty: not saying that ... but would make sense to ask people from around that location no? :p
  91 (21:43:56) jean7491: first, for people who are already volunteers, please add your names in the wiki !
  92 (21:44:05) Gh0sty: like who were there to organise the ubuntu releaseparty in hasselt? :/
  93 (21:44:46) siegie [n=quassel@unaffiliated/siegie] a rejoint le salon.
  94 (21:44:58) Gh0sty: if you speak of the devil! :p
  95 (21:45:17) JanC: siegie: where do you live again? ツ
  96 (21:45:17) Gh0sty: ofnee toch niet :/
  97 (21:45:21) Gh0sty: *unsure*
  98 (21:45:33) Gh0sty: was thinking around hasselt but could be mistaken
  99 (21:45:39) JanC: I think it was around Antwerp
 100 (21:46:03) JanC: or the "Kempen"
 101 (21:46:22) siegie: JanC: near turnhout.
 102 (21:46:41) JanC: see, near Antwerp & the Kempen :-)
 103 (21:47:22) jean7491: we have months to find these people who will lead the fairs
 104 (21:47:22) JanC: siegie we were talking about volunteers for ubuntu booths @ dipro fairs
 105 (21:47:24) Carroarmato0 a quitté le salon (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 106 (21:48:07) jean7491: to help starting the organization of the fairs, the wiki has been completed with a kind of check-list : see example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Ghent_2009-09-06 
 107 (21:49:00) siegie: JanC: I have exams at the moment, so i don't have much time.
 108 (21:49:21) JanC: siegie: it's for after the summer vacation
 109 (21:49:31) siegie: nice :)
 110 (21:49:35) JanC: siegie: if you have any ideas about finding volunteers, in Antwerp, Mechelen, Genk and/or Hasselt...
 111 (21:50:07) JanC: because having people from Ostend drive to Antwerp is a bit silly
 112 (21:50:43) siegie: I think we should use the ubuntu-nl forum to find volunteers,
 113 (21:51:09) jean7491: for a'pen, it was not a success !
 114 (21:51:24) JanC: jean74911: did you use the forum or only the ubuntu-nl map?
 115 (21:52:11) jean7491: i posted in the ubuntu-nl forum a topic, read +/- 50x, but no reaction
 116 (21:52:11) siegie: http://kaart.ubuntu-nl.org/ > there are many members from around antwerp
 117 (21:53:42) jean7491: http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu-nl/vrijwilligers-gevraagd-voor-computer-beurs-in-antwerpen-(belgie)-op-24052009/
 118 (21:53:57) siegie: 50 times is not verry much in a forum with 16000 member
 119 (21:54:51) jean7491: correction 78x
 120 (21:55:42) jean7491: about the organization of activities : we have the ubuntu-be events-team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-be-events 
 121 (21:55:57) JanC: still not much "reads", I suppose most people don't really want to be a volunteer, or are affraid to volunteer
 122 (21:56:31) JanC: maybe candidate booth volunteers should be asked to become members
 123 (21:56:41) siegie: or are afraid that they don't know anyone
 124 (21:56:52) JanC: then we don't have to send email through the maps
 125 (21:57:54) jean7491: the ubuntu-be events-team is now composed of 3 persons from w. Flanders 
 126 (21:58:29) jean7491: but it should be completed with members from the others provinces. 
 127 (21:58:37) JanC: siegie: that's one of the things I mean when I say afraid to volunteer: don't know people, fear they won't be good enough, think they will have to be responsible, ...
 128 (21:59:29) JanC: while e.g. jean74911 certainly isn't a "ubuntu guru" either
 129 (21:59:33) Wamukota: so at least an expert user must always be at hand during a public venue
 130 (21:59:38) Jurgentje: JanC: I'm a little reluctant to volunteer, because I'm willing to help on occasions, but I'm not ready to be expected on every fair in the province because we don't have enough volunteers
 131 (22:00:14) JanC: Jurgentje: please become a member of the team then, we can't force you to volunteer on 1 specific day
 132 (22:00:27) siegie: Wamukota: how do you define expert user?
 133 (22:00:40) Jurgentje: JanC: I was going to be there in Antwerp but my wife had a car accident Saturday last
 134 (22:00:57) Gh0sty: i got kicked from the ubuntu team i think :(
 135 (22:01:13) JanC: what we need is a list of maybe 10 people or more per province who we can contact
 136 (22:01:31) Wamukota: siegie: someone who can answer the questions most new users ask, like co-existance win-buntu and so on
 137 (22:01:37) Gh0sty: but i'm reluctant to put my location on the map :)
 138 (22:02:04) JanC: Gh0sty: membership expires if you don't answer the renewal mails, in many teams ;)
 139 (22:02:29) JanC: Gh0sty: location might be rough ("ghent")
 140 (22:02:56) Gh0sty: renewal mails?
 141 (22:03:05) Gh0sty: i only got a mail "you have been removed from team ubuntu
 142 (22:03:11) Gh0sty: never got anything else afaik :|
 143 (22:04:35) Jurgentje: JanC: okido, put me on that list for Flemish-Brabant (and Antwerp)
 144 (22:05:03) d1ogenes [n=steven@78-22-141-252.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
 145 (22:05:13) hfsdo: JanC: you can put me on that list for antwerp
 146 (22:05:15) JanC: Gh0sty: like this http://ubuntu-be.pastebin.com/d116ff45d
 147 (22:05:53) jean7491: in fact we need 2 kind of volunteers : ...
 148 (22:06:00) JanC: hfsdo / Jurgentje : you can easily become a member if you have a launchpad account
 149 (22:06:13) jean7491: 1. in each province 2-3 people willing to take initiatives to start organizing activities, to complete the events-team, 
 150 (22:06:19) jean7491: 2. locally people who can spend some time to explain ubuntu and help in booths. 
 151 (22:06:25) hfsdo: JanC: i just applies to the events team
 152 (22:06:42) Jurgentje: JanC: I think I actaully already am (I was there on some translating of the new Ubuntu-be pages)
 153 (22:06:50) d1ogenes: count me in for nr 2 in east-flanders
 154 (22:07:16) JanC: Gh0sty: "team ubuntu" ?
 155 (22:08:31) Gh0sty: ja ofzoiets
 156 (22:08:35) Gh0sty: of ubuntu-be mss
 157 (22:08:38) Gh0sty: dont remember
 158 (22:10:15) JanC: normaal krijg je een aantal dagen voor die "expired" een mail om te renewen
 159 (22:10:41) sarduwie a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
 160 (22:11:31) jean7491: has someone contacts in charleroi ?
 161 (22:12:15) JanC: there some peopel from that region on the list
 162 (22:14:15) jean7491: in the next 3 months we could develop the events-team to become a leading group in ubuntu activities
 163 (22:15:20) d1ogenes: anybody thought of making a facebook group for ubuntu-be?
 164 (22:15:43) JanC: d1ogenes: feel free, but don't expect me there ;)
 165 (22:15:58) Jurgentje: Okay... so I'm already member of "Belgian Local Community Team" for a while.
 166 (22:15:58) bbartek [n=urban@dD576B9F9.access.telenet.be] a rejoint le salon.
 167 (22:16:01) JanC: it's nice as community-thing maybe
 168 (22:16:06) Wamukota: you won't see me on Facebook
 169 (22:16:07) d1ogenes: a lot of ubuntu groups there, you know
 170 (22:16:09) Jurgentje: d1ogenes: give me a note, I'll be joining :D
 171 (22:16:45) JanC: d1ogenes: like I say, if you want to, it's certainly okay for me
 172 (22:16:57) jean7491: we already have on identi.ca: !ubuntube and in Twitter: Ubuntu-be Twibe : see main page wiki
 173 (22:17:11) d1ogenes: okay, i'll do so and put it on the mailing list this week
 174 (22:17:20) JanC: right, if there is a facebook group, please add it there
 175 (22:17:21) Wamukota: I have already created a Orkut group http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=90125388
 176 (22:17:31) Wamukota: we have 5 members
 177 (22:18:26) pvandewyngaerde a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
 178 (22:18:46) Wamukota: ubuntu-nl has also an orkut group with 13 members
 179 (22:18:52) JanC: I could start a group on linkedin, but I don't want to become a member on a zilion sites ツ
 180 (22:19:09) Wamukota: i just deleted my linkedin account
 181 (22:19:10) Wamukota: lol
 182 (22:19:12) jean7491: why do we have on identi.ca: !ubuntube and in Twitter: Ubuntu-be Twibe ?, i've no idea
 183 (22:19:29) JanC: jean74911: it's nice for the people who use it
 184 (22:19:34) d1ogenes: question: is it a problem to use dutch language for the group? to stand out from other and to attract local user it could be advisable to use dutch on facebook?
 185 (22:19:40) JanC: other people can jus tignore it
 186 (22:20:04) JanC: d1ogenes: you can hardly call it ubuntu-be then
 187 (22:20:13) d1ogenes: ok point taken
 188 (22:20:16) d1ogenes: :-)
 189 (22:20:17) Wamukota: maybe ubuntu-be-nl
 190 (22:21:15) Wamukota: my experience on seniorennet is that although many of them use ubuntu, they do not know English very well
 191 (22:21:29) Jurgentje: how about "Belgen met Ubuntu" ... and then "Belges avec Ubuntu" ;)
 192 (22:21:36) Wamukota: so if we wiant 50+ people in our midts, dustch must be an option
 193 (22:22:15) JanC: Wamukota: an ubuntu-group on seniorennet can be Dutch of course ;)
 194 (22:22:33) JanC: and really, I prefer groups to be multilingual
 195 (22:22:45) Wamukota: if you want I can ask the members of our seniorennet Linux mailgroup if some of them are willing to join us
 196 (22:22:59) JanC: it's just that meetings & discussions in 4 languages mixed doesn't work
 197 (22:23:30) Jurgentje: well... "one group" must be multilingual... but then again: a foreign language (English for both parts of our country) hightens the threshold
 198 (22:23:38) JanC: a meeting or mails to prepare a dipro booth can be in Dutch without any problem
 199 (22:23:49) JanC: (or French)
 200 (22:25:17) jean7491: something else about the topic "other events" ? if no, next topic ?
 201 (22:25:22) Jurgentje: I mean a groups on f.e. Facebook, or come "community building" group... is doomed to be in a foreign language. This hinders the community element
 202 (22:25:28) JanC: Jurgentje: I don't care what language people use when communicating informally, the thing we really use English for is to coordinate ubuntu-be
 203 (22:25:48) JanC: it's not like we speak English at dipro fairs much ;-)
 204 (22:26:13) Wamukota: let's move on then
 205 (22:26:17) JanC: Jurgentje: can't you use multiple languages on facebook?
 206 (22:27:12) JanC: (I don't really have a clue how facebook works)
 207 (22:27:32) Jurgentje: sure, but (like in the mailing list) seeing all that foreign language alienates...
 208 (22:28:08) Jurgentje: this isn't really connected to "facebook" but more to creating a "laagdrempelige community"
 209 (22:28:11) ***JanC doesn't understand why it alienates
 210 (22:28:18) Jurgentje: (sorry, don't know the english word)
 211 (22:28:36) JanC: I have music in Russian, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, etc., doesn't alienate me :P
 212 (22:28:39) d1ogenes: it has been done: facebook group is created
 213 (22:28:49) d1ogenes: with a tagline in english
 214 (22:29:09) Jurgentje: JanC: do you interact with your music?
 215 (22:29:22) d1ogenes: it has one member: me :-p
 216 (22:29:27) JanC: it's 1-way communication fro mthe artist to me
 217 (22:29:57) Wamukota: ring ring ... next topic please
 218 (22:30:22) Jurgentje: okay... other topic (btw... 2 members now)
 219 (22:30:34) jean7491: i suggest we go ahead with the agenda of the meeting : the question of facebook and equivalent can be put at the agenda of a future meeting
 220 (22:30:59) d1ogenes: okay
 221 (22:31:16) jean7491: topic #3 contact with other linux users groups and computer clubs 
 222 (22:32:06) Wamukota: for your information, I am the mentor of the Linux mailgroup in Seniorennet
 223 (22:32:19) jean7491: idea is with better contacts with other groups we could improve actively our actions and promotion
 224 (22:32:21) Wamukota: so, all w.r.t 50+ people can go through me
 225 (22:32:40) hfsdo a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving")
 226 (22:33:16) jean7491: for example we could cooperate to organize common booth in some occasions or exchange information about events on both sides
 227 (22:34:10) Wamukota: is there any interest in people from seniorennet? What could our mailgroep and community at Seniorennet do for ubuntu-be?
 228 (22:34:24) d1ogenes: we could do a mailing to computerclubs if they would be interested to get a ubuntu info session and demo
 229 (22:34:46) meland a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
 230 (22:34:57) jean7491: in the who is who ubuntu-be, there are names of coordinators with other clibs (janC?)
 231 (22:35:16) jean7491: lugs and clubs
 232 (22:36:36) JanC: jean74911: I am on the interlug mailing list, which is supposed to group all Belgian LUGs but is mostly French-language now
 233 (22:36:36) jean7491: seniorennet : we could inform about our activities !
 234 (22:37:04) Wamukota: jean74911, ok. i will mail them about our future events and our activities
 235 (22:37:12) JanC: Wamukota: what's the technical level on your list?
 236 (22:37:20) Jurgentje: I'm in HCC Mechelen (actually I was introduced as an "Ubuntu guy" ... because I discovered HCC on the mailinglist... kinda funny: there's more wizz ubuntu guys there than I knew before)
 237 (22:37:41) Wamukota: JanC, at seniorennet the level is low to medium knowledge
 238 (22:37:54) JanC: what's low or medium ツ
 239 (22:38:28) JanC: Jurgentje: so you're our liason with HCC Mechelen then ツ
 240 (22:38:50) Jurgentje: just a member now
 241 (22:38:52) siegie: Wamukota: If they use it and they are happy with ubuntu, it good enough?
 242 (22:39:00) JanC: and Wamukota is liason with linux-senioren
 243 (22:39:07) jean7491: janC - is cedric still active with ubuntu ? on the french speaking side ?
 244 (22:39:26) Wamukota: I will report back about the interest of our group at sennet
 245 (22:39:31) JanC: jean74911: not very active, but probably willing to help with some things
 246 (22:39:52) JanC: jean74911: I think he's from Charleroi region?
 247 (22:39:59) Wamukota: janc: oke for liason
 248 (22:39:59) jean7491: for example dipro charleroi ?
 249 (22:40:44) JanC: jean74911: don't know if he can/will organize that (work, family, ...) but you can ask, maybe he knows someone else
 250 (22:41:21) JanC: Jurgentje: our liason = you are our "communication channel"
 251 (22:41:47) jean7491: JanC - i though about cooperation with local lugs for a booth
 252 (22:41:51) JanC: eh, liaison
 253 (22:42:11) JanC: jean74911: or computer clubs maybe
 254 (22:42:47) JanC: might be possible to get help from the Hasselt release party computer club too
 255 (22:43:32) jean7491: JanC - ok i will email to cedric about ubuntu-be
 256 (22:44:50) jean7491: we could ask in the mailing list who has contact with lugs and computer clubs and is ready to interface/liaison for contacts? 
 257 (22:45:51) Wamukota: gents, i will leave you now
 258 (22:45:54) d1ogenes: http://computer-club.start.be/
 259 (22:45:57) Wamukota: cu later
 260 (22:45:58) JanC: I've been looking at clubs in Bruges, but I don't really feel like paying to become a member of a club where I probably would be the person to give support mostly :P
 261 (22:46:11) Wamukota a quitté le salon (quit: "Tot laters")
 262 (22:46:46) Gh0sty: lol :)
 263 (22:47:02) Jurgentje: if I'm correct, Willem Huysmans (chairman HCC Mechelen) is already in the Ubuntu-be mailinglist. I'm pretty sure I would be liaison
 264 (22:47:40) JanC: Jurgentje: well, he can be liaison too if he wants, just to know who we can contact who's a member of both
 265 (22:48:01) JanC: it's nice to have a list of such people
 266 (22:48:34) JanC: (just like I'm the ubuntu-be contact for all other ubuntu projects & canonical
 267 (22:49:06) JanC: actually, if we want, we can help set up computerclubs.be
 268 (22:49:20) jean7491: the aim is to establish a list of point of contact with other lugs and clubs -- it does not mean that anyone has to become member of other clubs
 269 (22:49:58) JanC: that domain is owned by a non-profit that I'm a board member of, and we want to put a list of all "computer clubs" on it, one day
 270 (22:50:46) JanC: jean74911: right, maybe i can find a contact in that club in Bruges (I think I know who to ask actually)
 271 (22:51:53) JanC: one day == when we have the time ;)
 272 (22:52:15) jean7491: ok, next week(s) we see what we have ...
 273 (22:52:52) d1ogenes: need to go (south park!)
 274 (22:52:56) d1ogenes a quitté le salon (quit: "Leaving")
 275 (22:52:58) jean7491: next topic ?
 276 (22:53:21) jean7491: a short review of promotion material 
 277 (22:53:45) jean7491: a banner ubuntu-be loco team, ubuntu presentation, homemade flyers, poster « free your pc » (all in dutch and french) are available in the wiki "belgianteam/computerfairs" in paragraph "print documents and presentations" 
 278 (22:54:28) jean7491: we still need a correct support for the posters : improvised supports are not nice to see! 
 279 (22:54:53) Gh0sty: define improvised first? :)
 280 (22:56:12) jean7491: in a'pen we used stcks and tape to monut something to support 3 posters, you see it on the pics, it was not so nice
 281 (22:56:33) Gh0sty: well not sure what i see on the pictures
 282 (22:56:39) Gh0sty: it looks like a laundry wire?
 283 (22:56:43) Gh0sty: or am i mistaken? :/
 284 (22:57:16) jean7491: there were sticks from a beach-tent i used for + tape
 285 (22:57:59) Gh0sty: yes but what i was thinking if you want a laundry wire thats easy ...
 286 (22:58:04) Gh0sty: 2 blocks with a hole
 287 (22:58:10) Gh0sty: and a plastic electricity tube
 288 (22:58:13) Gh0sty: voila :)
 289 (22:58:36) Gh0sty: unless you envision something better? :)
 290 (22:59:29) Jurgentje: plastic electricity tube bends... I think the tent poles are better then.
 291 (22:59:47) jean7491: it could be done in do-it-yourself, but i've no possibility to do it ! if someone has idea and can do it, just do it !
 292 (23:00:13) Gh0sty: well lets say ... I can make everything you want :P
 293 (23:00:18) Gh0sty: if you give me specs :)
 294 (23:00:43) Gh0sty: home is basicly an electronics, wood and metal workshop :)
 295 (23:01:00) Jurgentje: how about "screw-one" thin bars... so you have 3 small bars that you can screw together to a pole
 296 (23:01:15) Jurgentje: and then a block with a hole to fit it in?
 297 (23:01:19) JanC: I know where I can get cheap wooden panels, and my father has the "devices" to build something with it
 298 (23:01:33) JanC: or whatever way we want to build it
 299 (23:02:07) Carroarmato00: you can always use an old floppy drive as a hammer replacement :P
 300 (23:02:28) Gh0sty: or use Carroarmato00's head as a hammer replacement
 301 (23:02:30) Gh0sty: *shhhttt*
 302 (23:02:34) Carroarmato00: naah
 303 (23:02:37) Carroarmato00: not efficient
 304 (23:02:45) Carroarmato00: :D
 305 (23:03:56) jean7491: we need something 2 m. high, 2 m. large, stable, easy to transport in a car, easy to mount, that can support 4 or 5 posters, and s.o.
 306 (23:04:50) JanC: Gh0sty: that would makes stains on your carpet ;)
 307 (23:05:13) JanC: so, no wooden panels
 308 (23:05:23) JanC: (doesn't easily fit in a car)
 309 (23:05:27) Gh0sty: yes it should be smaller pieces of wood
 310 (23:05:30) Gh0sty: thinking ... :/
 311 (23:05:48) Gh0sty: no idea how to translate but pannelatjes? :p
 312 (23:06:12) Jurgentje: lol!
 313 (23:06:22) Gh0sty: only wondering how to assemble it so it stays up straight and your longest part should be in 2 parts since 2 m is too large for most common cars ... :/
 314 (23:06:49) Jurgentje: that was where I suggested "screw-on" bars ;)
 315 (23:07:12) JanC: Gh0sty: 2m fits in most cars
 316 (23:07:16) Gh0sty: yes but screws is a hustle :)
 317 (23:07:23) jean7491: for the transport, parts no longer than 1,5 m, for example thin tubes bars 
 318 (23:07:43) Carroarmato00 a quitté le salon (quit: "Sto andando via")
 319 (23:07:50) Jurgentje: nah... I mean the one end of a pole is screw... the other end is "screw hole" ... you can just screw one into the next one
 320 (23:07:52) JanC: 2m poles fit in my Fiat Panda...
 321 (23:08:34) Gh0sty: you can draw that?
 322 (23:08:38) Gh0sty: don't follow :|
 323 (23:08:51) JanC: just put them next to the passenger seat with the backseat pulled down
 324 (23:09:00) Gh0sty: nono not you :p
 325 (23:09:02) Jurgentje: I'll give it a shot... moment
 326 (23:09:05) Gh0sty: Jurgentje i mean :)
 327 (23:09:14) jean7491: but if you add in your panda hardware, deco mat, screen, ... + volunteers without cars
 328 (23:09:26) Gh0sty: JanC: a piece through the front windshield ?:P
 329 (23:09:56) Gh0sty: for convenience i agree that max size is 1.5 m
 330 (23:10:08) Gh0sty: that is easy to handle, fits in most trunks sideways and so on ...
 331 (23:10:41) JanC: jean74911: if I need to transport it, I can obvious transport at most 1 extra volunteer (when I don't put down the backseat but lay the poles on top of it)
 332 (23:11:51) jean7491: i was thinking about my move to a'pen, my car was full
 333 (23:11:52) JanC: jean74911: your car can easily handle 2 or 3 volunteers + hardware + a couple of 2m poles ツ
 334 (23:13:10) JanC: (i don't say it would be the most comfortable trip...)
 335 (23:13:47) jean7491: 2 m long, i've to close the backseats, ... + your screen (we did not use)
 336 (23:14:31) jean7491: ok if someone has a project and can do it, please mail me !
 337 (23:15:31) Jurgentje: okay... a pic of the poles: http://www.freesoftwaretalk.org/ubuntu-be/pijlers.svg ... or http://www.freesoftwaretalk.org/ubuntu-be/pijlers.png
 338 (23:16:08) Gh0sty: sorry ff naar NL :p
 339 (23:16:15) Gh0sty: moet het nen wasdraad worden?
 340 (23:16:21) Gh0sty: of een rechthoek ofzo?
 341 (23:16:49) Jurgentje: "een wasdraad" ... or even better: a rectangle (a T-profile instead of a wire?)
 342 (23:17:28) Gh0sty: blijven uw posters dan wel hangen moeten ze niet verzwaard worden? :/
 343 (23:17:54) Jurgentje: hmmm... I get your point
 344 (23:18:06) JanC: is oplosbaar, gewoon rekening mee houden
 345 (23:18:29) jean7491: posters kunnen normaal hangen, no problem, ok, i wait for projects, but i've to go, but before for the next meeting, same day, same hour ? i did not heard anything else
 346 (23:18:50) Gh0sty: sure just ping me :p
 347 (23:18:55) Gh0sty: i'll be around ;)
 348 (23:19:06) jean7491: ok
 349 (23:19:25) Jurgentje: I'll try to be here next week too (but not always around at time)
 350 (23:19:47) jean7491: JanC - ok?
 351 (23:20:35) Gh0sty: ik was aant denken aan een paar los staande vormen alla dit:
 352 (23:20:53) bbartek a quitté le salon (quit: Remote closed the connection)
 353 (23:20:53) Gh0sty: ----------I-----------
 354 (23:20:57) Gh0sty: ja lap
 355 (23:22:13) Jurgentje a quitté le salon (quit: )
 356 (23:22:18) jean7491: JanC - bye