20111130

Meeting started by pedro_ at 18:00:51 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-30-18.00.log.html .

Meeting summary

  • Previous Actions
  • Engineering Team Bug Status
  • Other Topics

ACTION: pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting (pedro_, 18:35:44)

  • Chair Selection

ACTION: bdmurray to chair next meeting (pedro_, 18:40:40)

Meeting ended at 18:41:11 UTC.

Votes

Action items

  • pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting

  • bdmurray to chair next meeting

Action items, by person

  • bdmurray
  • * bdmurray to chair next meeting
  • pedro_
  • * pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting

People present (lines said)

  • pedro_ (44)
  • bdmurray (20)
  • gema (11)
  • nailora (7)
  • micahg (5)
  • meetingology (5)
  • njin (3)
  • ubottu (3)
  • alourie (3)
  • bil21al (2)
  • mfisch (1)
  • h01ger (1)
  • Ursinha (1)
  • janak_dev (1)
  • charlie-tca (1)
  • ogra_ (1)

Full Log

  • 18:00:51 <pedro_> #startmeeting

    18:00:51 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 30 18:00:51 2011 UTC. The chair is pedro_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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    18:01:09 <pedro_> Welcome to our first Bugs meeting !

    18:01:22 <gema> o/

    18:01:23 <pedro_> as you might know the QA meeting was divided in two so this is the second part of it 18:01:41 * alourie is back

    18:01:49 <alourie> ah

    18:01:52 <alourie> missed it

    18:01:56 <pedro_> The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meetings

    18:02:08 <mfisch> is the bugs meeting weekly now at this time? the wiki is inconsistent on that

    18:02:32 <pedro_> there's not much items there so if you have any please keep it for the 'Others topics' topic

    18:03:03 <pedro_> mfisch, yeah we need to update it based on a discussion ie: should we keep the monthly bugsquad meeting or not?

    18:03:16 <pedro_> ok so first topic

    18:03:29 <pedro_> [TOPIC] Previous Actions

    18:03:53 <pedro_> there was no previous actions so lets continue

    18:04:02 <pedro_> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status

    18:04:15 <pedro_> bdmurray, Ursinha anything you'd like to share?

    18:04:35 <Ursinha> nothing in particular Smile :)

    18:04:56 <bdmurray> I fixed a bug yesterday which is a bit odd

    18:05:01 <bdmurray> bug 887705

    18:05:03 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 887705 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "wrong warning about unsupported Ubuntu release when upgrading to precise" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887705

    18:05:30 <bdmurray> The gist of it is that update-manager reads infromation from meta-release files on changelogs.ubuntu.com to determine what releases are supported etec

    18:06:04 <bdmurray> so while you see the bug in update-manager it requires a fix in those files

    18:06:54 <bdmurray> kind of wacky and I thought that might be good to know

    18:07:38 <bdmurray> I've also been working with cprofitt on a bug reporting workflow diagram

    18:09:16 <bdmurray> There may very well be duplicates of bug 894768 being reported

    18:09:18 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894768

    18:09:59 <bdmurray> because it fails with different files bugs require manual inspection

    18:10:08 <bdmurray> that's all I have

    18:10:36 <pedro_> i was pinged by our QA folks regarding a failures they were seeing during the upgrade testing

    18:10:52 <pedro_> so in the end it was bug 893826

    18:10:53 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 893826 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Precise) "symlinked docs are different between architectures, depending on dpkg-deb package order" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893826

    18:11:08 <pedro_> it was fixed recently but worth keep an eye in case there's some dups

    18:11:43 <pedro_> anything else, anyone ?

    18:12:15 <pedro_> [TOPIC] Other Topics

    18:12:23 <gema> o/

    18:12:30 <pedro_> gema, please go ahead

    18:12:51 <gema> we (QA-platform team) are working on a new tagging scheme that will allow us to assess the quality of the automated testing, we are going to start using

    18:13:09 <gema> these tags for the automated testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/TestingTypeAndBugTracking

    18:13:26 <gema> just wanted to let you know we are going to be using them to be able to track things and generate reports for ISO testing

    18:13:33 <gema> please, do not remove those tags Smile :)

    18:13:49 <gema> we haven't started, so if you have any suggestions, also welcome

    18:13:53 <gema> ..

    18:14:38 <bdmurray> gema: Does "upgrade testing" mean distribution upgrade or package upgrade?

    18:14:50 <gema> for now, it means distribution upgrade

    18:14:55 <gema> we are not doing any package upgrade testing yet

    18:14:55 <nailora> o/

    18:15:33 <pedro_> nailora, stage is all yours

    18:15:37 <nailora> i sent a mail to the bugsquad mailing list yesterday https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2011-November/003552.html

    18:15:48 <pedro_> (thanks gema!)

    18:15:54 <gema> (np)

    18:16:05 <nailora> after pedos invitiation i thought it might be brought up here

    18:16:50 <nailora> (if you are not prepared, nevermind, i will be happy to get replies via email)

    18:17:20 <nailora> bascially it is about what to do about unsupported hardware and an overload of bug reports

    18:19:03 <janak_dev> hi

    18:19:23 <bdmurray> nailora: Have you heard of apport package hooks?

    18:19:44 <bdmurray> With these you can change the bug reporting experience for reporters

    18:21:16 <nailora> i do know a little bit about them, it might help to improve the situation for the future

    18:21:45 <pedro_> is there any page for DebuggingScanners? like the DebuggingPrinting one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems

    18:22:11 <njin> nope

    18:22:12 <bdmurray> This would help gather the information for bugs and could prevent bug reporting

    18:22:54 <pedro_> nailora, perhaps contact the developers/maintainers to help to create such page? that way you can also point reports there to start collecting more useful information

    18:23:07 <pedro_> s/reports/reporters/g

    18:24:33 <nailora> i am in contact with the developer, and i will create some wiki pages, one as a landing page that can be cited in bug reports to explain why they are not that helpful and one similar to the page mentioned for printers

    18:25:08 <pedro_> nailora, awesome, thank you

    18:25:20 <pedro_> any other thoughts on nailora's topic?

    18:25:27 <bdmurray> I'll reply to the email later today

    18:26:23 <pedro_> thanks bdmurray

    18:26:27 <bdmurray> I think its important to prevent bugs from coming in if that's really what you want

    18:26:56 <bdmurray> I mean you could close them all but they'll just come back

    18:27:01 <micahg> o/

    18:27:15 <bdmurray> so have the reporting process be as informative as possible

    18:27:37 <pedro_> micahg, please go ahead

    18:27:51 <micahg> so, this is about the simple scan bug thread right?

    18:28:27 <bdmurray> yes

    18:29:58 <micahg> ok, so I just wanted to point out that if there is a bug somewhere, that we should try to get it to the right place, open bugs isn't a problem as long as they're valid (i.e. if the problem is in SANE or some other component, move it to the right place), if it's truly not a bug, just configuration help or what not, then we can convert to question

    18:30:48 <micahg> ..

    18:32:28 <pedro_> thanks micahg

    18:32:42 <pedro_> I have a topic as well

    18:33:34 <pedro_> since the meetings are now divided into Testing and Bugs , should we delete the Monthly BugSquad Meeting and start adding such topics to this one?

    18:33:56 <bdmurray> that makes sense to me

    18:34:00 <charlie-tca> +1

    18:34:11 <bil21al> sure

    18:34:13 <micahg> +1

    18:34:17 <bil21al> +1

    18:34:59 <h01ger> ogra_, i've been online too long today, i need to go afk.. sorry that i'll miss the meeting, have fun & good results!

    18:35:06 <pedro_> ok sounds good, lets do it , i'll update the wiki page and send an email with the info

    18:35:43 <ogra_> h01ger, heh, thanks, i'm not in edu stuff anymore though, but i'll tell the guys in #edubuntu

    18:35:44 <pedro_> [ACTION] pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting

    18:35:44 * meetingology pedro_ to update wiki + send email re the BugSquad Meeting

    18:36:49 <pedro_> and last for me, please notice that the Mentorship program is now closed

    18:37:01 <pedro_> hggdh, sent an email about that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2011-November/003550.html

    18:37:10 <pedro_> thanks hggdh for taking care of it Smile :-)

    18:37:37 <pedro_> anything else? any extra topic?

    18:38:23 <pedro_> seems not

    18:38:29 <njin> pedro_: do you want to mentor me next mopnths ?

    18:38:29 <pedro_> [TOPIC] Chair Selection

    18:38:58 <pedro_> njin, we can 'all' mentor you, just ask in the #ubuntu-bugs channel Smile :-)

    18:39:09 <njin> Smile :-)

    18:39:17 <pedro_> so who'd like to chair the next meeting?

    18:40:18 <bdmurray> o/

    18:40:32 <pedro_> thanks bdmurray

    18:40:40 <pedro_> [ACTION] bdmurray to chair next meeting 18:40:40 * meetingology bdmurray to chair next meeting

    18:40:57 <pedro_> ok seems that's all for today

    18:41:05 <pedro_> thanks all !

    18:41:11 <pedro_> #endmeeting

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