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Our meetings are held for one hour every other Sunday at 7:00pm (19:00) PDT / 02:00 UTC in our IRC channel, [[CaliforniaTeam/ContactUs|#ubuntu-california on Freenode]]. All interested people are welcome to join us. For questions or help connecting, check out the InternetRelayChat page or use the Java client linked from the [[CaliforniaTeam/ContactUs|Contact page]].

Sunday, January 11th, 2009, 7:00pm (1900) PST


  1. SCaLE!

    • Six weeks!
      • Pretty self-explanatory.
    • CDs - While we'll have everything available, what do we want as a sensible default?
      • We'll probably prep about 200 CDs. We had around 120 given out last year.
      • Edubuntu proved to be extremely popular.
    • Business cards -- Do we need more? (depends on how we do sleeves)
      • We don't know if we need extras, or if last year's will suffice.
    • CD Sleeves? -- What to package CDs in
      • Now with advertising for the LoCo!

      • Maybe fit a "How to get help with Ubuntu" guide on them.
    • buntustand status update
      • Some technical updates. If you know Python, there's still stuff to do.
    • Presentations (at our booth)
      • We plan to have small slide shows, with maybe a couple install demos.
    • Booth Layout (not in agenda)
      • We hope to be in the same booth as last year (Corner booth 31)
    • Cheat Sheets (also not in agenda)
      • MAYBE making cheat sheets for booth workers of common facts which would prove helpful for Ubuntu and Canonical.

Our meetings are held for one hour every other Sunday at 7:00pm (19:00) PDT / 02:00 UTC in our IRC channel, #ubuntu-california on Freenode. All interested people are welcome to join us. For questions or help connecting, check out the InternetRelayChat page or use the Java client linked from the Contact page.


19:06 < Flannel> Alright.  Welcome everyone to our first meeting of 2009.  Hope you all had a wonderful holiday.
19:06 < lcafiero> +1
19:06 < AlgorithmicContr> ++
19:06 < Flannel> Our agenda so far consists of lots of things for SCaLE.
19:07 < Flannel> Does anyone have any non-scale things to add to our agenda before we jump right in?
19:07 < Flannel> I would like to mention that our very own erichammond is now an official Ubuntu member.
19:07 < nhaines> Congratulations, Eric!  :D
19:08 < Flannel> You can read all about him in this week's (well, last weeks) UWN.  I'll spare you all the details, and try not to embarass him further ;)
19:09 < Flannel> So, with that.  We're on to SCaLE planning.
19:09 < Flannel> SCaLE is in a short six weeks (from this weekend).  It's Feb 20-22, in Los Angeles.
19:09 < Flannel> We've got a booth there, it's a lot of fun, and nhaines is even giving a presentation.
19:10 < Flannel> Our subtopics (so far) consist of the following: CD selection, Business Cards, CD Sleeves, Presentations, buntustand status update
19:11 < Flannel> We can do most of them in any order.  Does anyone have any preference what we discuss first? (Or anything else to add?)
19:11 < nhaines> Booth layout?
19:11 < Flannel> Sounds good.
19:12 < Flannel> Also, before we get into details, we've got a SCaLE page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale7x
19:12 < Flannel> Which mentions all the stuff we're hoping to have (although I may have forgotten something)
19:12 < Flannel> Be sure to check it out, fill in anything you can provide (for one day, or the whole weekend), and add anything that we may have overlooked so far.
19:13 < Flannel> For those of you providing computers and stuff.  We won't be leaving them at the booth overnight.
19:13 < Flannel> I'll either be taking them home with me, or we may have another resource thats only a few miles away, that we could possibly use.
19:14 < jbermudes> Flannel: should the wiki be a place to register what people intent to contribute?
19:14 < Flannel> If anyone else has concerns about volunteering stuffs, feel free to voice them.
19:14 < nhaines> jbermudes: yes
19:14 < Flannel> jbermudes: Yeah
19:15 < Flannel> And also, if you intend to help man the booth (and what times you're available)
19:15 < a1len> I would like to, but this economy is relentless.
19:16 < Flannel> Depending on how many people volunteer, we may be able to get everyone free admission to the Expo.  I don't know how that's working out as far as specifics yet though.
19:16 < Flannel> and you will get a chance to peruse other booths; we won't chain you to a table.
19:16 < Flannel> nhaines: Anything I forgot about those things?
19:16 < nhaines> Last year we had name badges for everyone, too.  I'll need a new printer but we can do that again.
19:17 < Flannel> Oh yeah.  You'll get a spiffy nametag.
19:17 < nhaines> Everyone's welcome to hang out and help attendees, but the rule for name badges was: sign the CoC and be a member of our Launchpad team.
19:17 < nhaines> Oh yeah, and if you don't print your own, tell me so I print one.  ;)
19:18 < Flannel> It's also a good chance to come out and meet the rest of the California people, and we'll likely have people able to sign keys too.
19:18 < AlgorithmicContr> I still have my name tag!
19:18 < AlgorithmicContr> ....I hope
19:18 < Flannel> Also, if anyone's actually worried about it, we'll be able to provide you with all the info you need to talk to people.
19:19 < Flannel> So, very little previous technical knowledge is necessary (if any)
19:19 < Flannel> Anyway, I think that's enough pitching... on to subtopics.
19:19 < Flannel> Lets... do presentations first.  since that may influence booth layout.
19:21 < Flannel> We're considering doing some presentations at our booth at various times throughout the expo
19:21 < Flannel> Maybe three or four times during the day, we do a larger demo on something.  Whether it'd be walking through an actual install, a wubi install, or something like that.
19:22 < Flannel> erichammond was interested in showing an entire Ubuntu on EC2 install
19:22 < Flannel> These would be things that you'd show to a group, we'd put them up on a big monitor or something and they'd be more substantial than just playing with demo computers.
19:22 < Flannel> Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?
19:23 < nhaines> I think this could be a good draw to our booth.
19:24 < troyready> I would agree; sounds neat
19:24 < nhaines> I also think this would be a good opportunity if anyone wants some presentation experience.
19:24 < Flannel> I worry about getting too many people, and causing a disruption in the aisles.
19:24 < Flannel> Depending on where our booth is that may not be an issue.
19:24 < Flannel> That's my only reservation though.  Being a bad SCaLE citizen ;)
19:25 < nhaines> Any suggestions for topics?
19:25 < nhaines> Any volunteers?  ;)
19:26 < Flannel> Maybe we ought to ask the list.  I think cactaur may be interested.
19:26 < Flannel> Anyone have any comments on feasibility?
19:26 < Flannel> would *you* watch something like that?
19:27 < Flannel> Alright.  Off to the list it is.
19:28 < Flannel> So, next topic.  Booth layout.
19:29 < nhaines> I liked last year's layout.
19:29 < nhaines> We'll have to think of how to stage things so that the presentations don't disrupt traffic.
19:30 < Flannel> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathanhaines/2353642188/sizes/l/in/photostream/
19:30 < nhaines> Oh yes, the public record.  :)
19:30 < Flannel> That was last year's layout. (This is what the vanilla booth is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathanhaines/2352795261/sizes/l/ )
19:31 < AlgorithmicContr> Do we still have the same spot?
19:31 < nhaines> We were gunning for it but I don't know if we got it.
19:31 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: We're hoping to get a corner spot, I don't know if they've picked booths yet.
19:32 < jbermudes> i guess the number of presentations happening depends on if we get that corner piece
19:32 < nhaines> Maybe if we do a presentation on the red table, and still use the yellow table for casual passers-by.
19:33 < Flannel> jbermudes: We've got a lot vested in getting a corner booth.
19:34 < Flannel> nhaines: I don't think we can really settle on a layout until we know where we're going to be in the hall.
19:34 < Flannel> So, lets table that.
19:34 < nhaines> Flannel: I'll see if Joe knows.
19:35 < Flannel> Actually,
19:35 < nhaines> He's unavailable.
19:35 < Flannel> the website says booth 31
19:35 < nhaines> Oh?
19:35 < Flannel> http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/dotorg/ubuntu
19:35 < Flannel> very bottom... no idea if that's stale.
19:36 < Flannel> and I have no idea where a new map is either
19:36 < AlgorithmicContr> Let's hope it isn't just old content from 6x?
19:36 < nhaines> I don't see a new map.
19:36 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: I don't recall seeing that announced on 6x
19:37 < AlgorithmicContr> me neither, so I'm curious too
19:37 < nhaines> AlgorithmicContr: it isn't.  They were working pretty hard.
19:37 < AlgorithmicContr> oh
19:37 < nhaines> We were booth 31 last year, though.
19:39 < Flannel> nhaines: Did you get in touch with Joe?
19:40 < nhaines> Flannel: he wasn't available.
19:40 < jbermudes> Flannel: i'd be willing to do one of those presentation thingies like how it install, etc.
19:41 < Flannel> I can't see them renumbering booths, so I imagine we're in the same one.
19:43 < AlgorithmicContr> I'm also considering a presentation, but I don't have a complete idea yet
19:43 < AlgorithmicContr> maybe a how-to tutorial
19:43 < Flannel> I think the presentation thing is first going to be a list of topics, then people can volunteer to give them (with help!)
19:44 < Flannel> So, come up with topics.
19:44 < Flannel> I think that'd be the best way to do it anyway.
19:44 < Flannel> Thoughts?
19:44 < AlgorithmicContr> mostly rudimentary topics?
19:44 < AlgorithmicContr> or some advance stuff
19:44 < jbermudes> ooh! yasumoto and I could do a games under wine thing? portal and all that good stuff
19:44 < nhaines> I'd say beginning to intermediate is probably best.
19:45 < nhaines> There seemed to be a lot of beginners last year and they added a Beginner's Track this year.
19:45 < Flannel> The idea is to show people how easy Ubuntu is,
19:45 < Flannel> so, very much beginner stuff.
19:46 < Flannel> I would think.  That's why I suggested wubi.  Since you can try without repartitioning.
19:46 < jbermudes> maybe something that shows things that are crazy hard in windows but is a snap in ubuntu?
19:46 < Flannel> Whether the people themselves are beginning, or want to be able to suggest to their friends/whatever
19:47 < AlgorithmicContr> how about short how-to's on request?
19:47 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: well, we do those throughout the day.
19:47 < nhaines> Wubi's very simple, though.  That might be hard to demonstrate.
19:47 < Flannel> These would be larger.. maybe 10-15 minute ones or something.  I don't know.
19:47 < Flannel> Something you couldn't show [every person] who walked by as they were asking questions
19:48 < Flannel> I know one thing I found interesting last year is how much it didn't feel like we were "preaching to the choir"
19:48 < Flannel> (SCaLE does have Linux in the name, afterall)
19:48  * jbermudes imagines like when you're at a trade show and someone's trying to demo one of those fancy cooking gadgets to a crowd
19:49 < Flannel> Except they run those more or less constantly
19:49 < jbermudes> right
19:49 < Flannel> Anyway, I think yes.  Maybe doing presentations on the otherwise looping slideshow monitor would be good.
19:50 < nhaines> Indeed.
19:50 < Flannel> I look forward to hearing all the wonderful ideas for topics.
19:50 < Flannel> Brainstorm, and submit (to the mailing list) all your good(and even marginal) ideas
19:50 < nhaines> I think we can look to the Ubuntu graphical tour on ubuntu.com for details.
19:50 < nhaines> Err, inspiration I mean.
19:50 < Flannel> Since even my bad ideas for topics (and I have a few horrible ones) may spur someone else to come up with a good one.
19:51 < Flannel> Since we're already an hour in, I'm going to force us to move on though.
19:51 < mib_7fb92a> how about reprints of this?     http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?em
19:51 < Flannel> nhaines: Lets do a 'stand update, since the sleeves/cards stuff can wait or move to the list entirely.
19:51 < Flannel> Oh yeah, I meant to mention that.
19:52 < Flannel> Thanks mib_7fb92a
19:52 < nhaines> That's one nice article.
19:54 < AlgorithmicContr> awesome article, thanks mib_7fb92a
19:54 < Flannel> Speaking of that, nhaines, you mentioned cheat sheets the other day.  Was that for booth workers? or for handing out?
19:55 < nhaines> It was for booth workers.
19:55 < Flannel> nhaines: With what sorts of stuff on them?
19:55 < mib_7fb92a> very welcome.  hard to find a more forceful , yet neutral & impartial, argument to push the procrastinator over the decision
19:55 < nhaines> So that people are more confident/informed about various topics.
19:56 < Flannel> nhaines: so, like a FAQ? or what?
19:56 < AlgorithmicContr> nhaines: I remember someone asked me what the name behind Ubuntu meant, I felt embarrassed because I couldn't coherently explain it
19:57 < AlgorithmicContr> that kind of stuff? What Ubuntu is all about?
19:57 < nhaines> Sure.
19:57 < nhaines> Flannel: more like a quick callout sheet.
19:57 < jbermudes> i guess maybe coherent explanations in case your mind goes blank and you dont want to ramble
19:57 < nhaines> As an example off the top of my head, what's new in Jaunty?
19:57  * Flannel is never shy about rambling.
19:57 < nhaines> * Faster boot times
19:58 < Flannel> Ah, and LTS vs non
19:58 < nhaines> * Integration with Web applications
19:58 < nhaines> * Per-application volume settings
19:58 < nhaines> Little things like that.
19:58 < AlgorithmicContr> Flannel could cover that!
19:58 < nhaines> We can have a Cannonical one, an Ubuntu one.
19:59 < nhaines> AlgorithmicContr: we want people to be able to say what Ubuntu means, even if they have to read it.  :)
19:59 < AlgorithmicContr> Flannel: LTS vs non, I mean
19:59 < nhaines> They can also be used as study guides before the expo.
19:59 < nhaines> We should have a Free Software one...
20:00 < Flannel> Alright.
20:00 < AlgorithmicContr> and a general linux one?
20:00 < nhaines> So think of things you wish you'd known last time.  I'll help write those up.
20:00 < Flannel> How do you think we should best handle their creation?
20:00 < AlgorithmicContr> Some people come into the expo not even knowing what Linux is
20:00 < Flannel> wiki page?
20:00 < nhaines> Flannel: wiki page.
20:00 < AlgorithmicContr> wiki wiki!
20:00 < nhaines> Let's have sections for each one with lists of talking points.
20:00 < jbermudes> pizza pizza!
20:00 < AlgorithmicContr> jbermudes: hehe
20:00 < Flannel> nhaines: Separate from SCaLE, under projects?
20:00 < nhaines> They can either be suggested topics or list of factoids.
20:01 < nhaines> Flannel: these are good evangelizing tools, so let's make it a seperate project.
20:01 < Flannel> sounds good.
20:01 < AlgorithmicContr> We can always use LikeTotally as a cheatsheet
20:01 < AlgorithmicContr> hehe
20:01 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: Most of us don't have IRC integrated into our heads
20:02 < nhaines> In the future, I can write a Python script to grok the page and create PDFs.
20:02 < AlgorithmicContr> How many people are we expecting to be in the booth?
20:02 < AlgorithmicContr> last year we had um,...
20:02 < AlgorithmicContr> 5?
20:02 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: At one time?  4ish I suppose.
20:02 < Flannel> actually, we could do more
20:03 < AlgorithmicContr> we had 6?
20:03 < Flannel> One nice thing about our booth setup the way it is is there's no real "in"
20:03 < Flannel> We can have people sitting outside the side with the demo computers, and some inside doing buntustand stuff, and some out front talking to people
20:04 < Flannel> nhaines: I'm sure there's a MoinMoin to LaTeX converter out there.
20:04 < AlgorithmicContr> So who's coming down to make it?
20:04 < AlgorithmicContr> Just a rough count, I'm curious
20:04 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: We're still six weeks away, I don't know if many people have planned that far ahead.
20:05 < AlgorithmicContr> true
20:05 < Flannel> I know cactaur was talking about sort of carpooling with me, but he wan't sure.
20:05 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: We'll have a spot on the wiki for sign ups.  Right now... who knows.
20:07 < Flannel> Alright.... so... lets skip business cards and sleeves for now.
20:08 < nhaines> Okay/
20:08  * AlgorithmicContr was really impressed with nhaines's business cards. 
20:08 < AlgorithmicContr> I thought they were professionally printed or something
20:08 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: Which business cards?
20:08 < nhaines> AlgorithmicContr: are those *my* cards or the LoCo ones?
20:09 < AlgorithmicContr> um
20:09 < AlgorithmicContr> the loco ones
20:09 < Flannel> They were professionally printed.
20:09 < AlgorithmicContr> ohhhhh
20:09 < nhaines> And they weren't mine, they were Seth's.  :)
20:09 < Flannel> And the question is: do we need to get more printed for this year.
20:09 < nhaines> I have about a hundred left, give or take.
20:09 < AlgorithmicContr> ohhhh
20:09 < Flannel> I think I have a full box.
20:10 < Flannel> Or, more or less.  I have no idea how much is in a box.
20:10 < nhaines> I think passing them out with each CD was wondefully optimistic, but I don't really see much of a return in extra numbers in this channel or on the ML.
20:10 < Flannel> But.... depending on what we do for sleeves, we may or may not need so many.
20:10 < nhaines> So I think we could just have them out for people on the table.
20:10 < nhaines> They still go quick, and our sleeves now advertise the LoCo.
20:10 < Flannel> nhaines: If the sleeves have all the info on them already, we don't need to pass them out regularly at all, no.
20:10 < nhaines> Flannel: my thoghts exactly.
20:11 < Flannel> Alright, so... we're not skipping sleeves/cards ;)
20:11 < AlgorithmicContr> sorry to interrupt, but a  presentation on how to actually get to irc and to this channel would be most helpful I think
20:11 < nhaines> AlgorithmicContr: not sure that's a presentable topic.  But Pidgin does it.
20:12 < jbermudes> maybe just a flyer?
20:12 < nhaines> AlgorithmicContr: so work on it more and get back to us.  :)
20:12 < jbermudes> so they can take it home and connect?
20:12 < nhaines> jbermudes: that's always a good idea.
20:12 < Flannel> maybe we could work that into the sleeve.
20:12 < jbermudes> oh! what about "how to get help with ubuntu?"
20:12 < Flannel> hmm
20:12 < jbermudes> like showcase the forums, mailinglists, etc
20:12 < Flannel> yeah, that'd be doable... and like five to a page, just slice them up.
20:12 < AlgorithmicContr> nhaines: yep, but some new commmers never used IRC or even know what it is
20:12 < Flannel> Or maybe morein depth
20:13 < Flannel> Oh, jbermudes, you meant as a presentation?
20:13  * jbermudes is just throwing stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks
20:13 < nhaines> Interestingly enough, one of the articles I just wrote overviews some ways to get Ubuntu help.  Fourms and LoCo teams made the list.
20:14 < Flannel> Also, the Forums were just voted #1.... way to get help... by something
20:14 < AlgorithmicContr> sweet
20:14 < AlgorithmicContr> they were?
20:14 < nhaines> Maybe as an extension of the callout sheet project we can do one to pass out that is "how to get help with Ubuntu"
20:14 < AlgorithmicContr> Flannel: I usually resort to forums last
20:15 < Flannel> AlgorithmicContr: Linux Format Magazine, beating google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1035701
20:15 < AlgorithmicContr> the chain goes ubuntu documents/community stuffs> irc>forums>google
20:16 < AlgorithmicContr> nhaines: that's probably what I meant, hehe
20:16 < AlgorithmicContr> as a presentation idea
20:17 < Flannel> Not so sure it'd go over as a presentation in itself.
20:17 < nhaines> We mustn't forget Launchpad Answers.
20:18 < AlgorithmicContr> that too
20:18 < Flannel> Alright, so, business cards likely won't be needing printing assuming our sleeves have some info on them (and the How to get help handouts)
20:19 < Flannel> One issue that was raised with the current origami sleeves is them laying flat.  I... think I solved that issue, but it makes them take longer to fold, and theyre much more difficult to fold.
20:20 < Flannel> I haven't found an easy way to fold them so they sit flat with a CD in them.
20:20 < Flannel> Is this a big issue do you think?
20:20 < nhaines> It's hard to say.  I suppose we'll see.
20:21 < Flannel> nhaines: I figure we can put them in those boxes we got from canonical, and it won't matter if theyre flat
20:21 < nhaines> I want to get something organized to produce high-quality bulk CDs.
20:21 < Flannel> and in peoples bags it certainly doesn't matter.
20:21 < Flannel> nhaines: not for SCaLe ;)
20:21 < nhaines> Flannel: nope.  ;)
20:21 < nhaines> Speaking of Canonical, who's doing the conference pack thing?
20:21 < Flannel> I've got it taken care of
20:22 < Flannel> How many CDs (and therefore approximate sleeves) do you think we'll need?
20:23  * Flannel knows we've gone over last year's number before...  I think it was higher than 100, but lower than 200.
20:23 < nhaines> We passed out approximately 120 last year, so I thought we were preparing for 200?
20:23 < nhaines> I didn't check the logs for the records.  I also think that was not including pressed CDs.
20:23 < Flannel> Are we preparing for 200? alright.  That's what I need to know.
20:23 < Flannel> I know Frys has boxes of 100 CDs for like $12
20:24 < Flannel> But, the big issue is printing sleeves.
20:24  * Flannel is rambling.
20:24 < nhaines> I know that lots of Edubuntu CDs went out.  We'll have to do addons this time.
20:24 < Flannel> Oh yeah.
20:25 < Flannel> Anyway, Lets move on to our last topic for tonight, which should go quickly.
20:25 < Flannel> buntustand update.
20:25 < nhaines> There haven't been.
20:25 < nhaines> Good night, folks!
20:25 < Flannel> hahah
20:25 < jbermudes> hahahha
20:25 < Flannel> There have been since the last meeting.
20:26 < nhaines> Seriously, we have a server and client framework.
20:26 < nhaines> And we have pywodim for burning, and buntulist for ISO enumeration.
20:26 < Flannel> For those of you who don't know (abbreviated version): buntustand is an automated distributed CD burning thing we're making for SCaLe, so we can burn on the fly, and hopefully keep up with demand.
20:26 < nhaines> So other than some protocol details, we're read to go at it.
20:27 < Flannel> If anyone's interested in helping... let us know!  Its python.  and a lot of the dirty work has been figured out, so fun stuff is still available!
20:27 < Flannel> I think that's it.
20:27 < nhaines> Oh yeah, https://launchpad.net/buntustand is where the fun's at.
20:28 < Flannel> Alright.  Thank you all for coming.  Watch your inboxes for mailing list updates about an assortment of things.  See you all in two weeks!
20:28 < Flannel> That's the 25th
20:28 < jbermudes> yay
20:28 < jbermudes> thanks flannel!
20:28 < nhaines> Thanks, Flannel.
20:28 < Flannel> And, if anyone wants to take a crack at fixing the sleeve sitting flat issue, by all means... do so ;)

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