2007-02-10
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09:56 P235 How often does the group have meetings?
09:58 lophyte P235: we're gonna try to make them monthly
09:59 P235 Aw...so much for my good timing. I'll sign up for the mailing list then. Have a good day everyone.
09:59 lophyte you too :)
10:01 lophyte who's here for the ubuntu canada meeting?
10:02 Skapi_ I am :)
10:03 lophyte hehe, only you? :P
10:04 lophyte anyone else?
10:07 futz48 wow! pretty interesting meeting...
10:07 lophyte indeed
10:07 futz48 don't all talk at once
10:08 despot32 yeah that could be hard to follow
10:08 lophyte I'm waiting for more people to show up before beginning
10:08 futz48 k
10:08 lophyte most importantly the ubuntu canada leader
10:09 futz48 I'm new to this group thing - what is the purpose of local groups?
10:09 despot32 to group locally
10:09 futz48 or whatever they're called
10:09 lophyte local community teams more or less serve the purpose of local advocacy and support
10:09 futz48 clubs, like?
10:09 futz48 oh, ok
10:09 lophyte and in most countries they also work on localization/translations
10:10 lophyte http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams for more info :)
10:10 despot32 i do not think i can join. i am not sufficiently loco :(
10:10 lophyte lol
10:10 futz48 so we should, like, translate, eh? ya hoser :-D
10:10 lophyte haha
10:11 lophyte "You reallywant to close Firefox, eh?"
10:11 lophyte that'd be pretty funny
10:11 futz48 hehehe
10:11 futz48 "This might take a while. Go get a beer."
10:12 despot32 foreach $line ($manpages) { $manpages-ca .= ", eh?"; }
10:12 lophyte lmao
10:14 lophyte my CPU load graph looks like a sine wave
10:14 despot32 i don't look at my cpu load graph. that would use too much cpu
10:14 lophyte lol
10:15 lophyte okay, well I suppose we should start then
10:15 lophyte doesn't look like anyone else is going to show up
10:15 lophyte https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings
10:15 lophyte that's our agenda
10:17 lophyte perhaps we should start by introducing ourselves.. all 4 of us
10:17 darkenergy uh, I'm seeing 87 members ...
10:17 lophyte okay, perhaps 5..
10:18 lophyte most people in here are idling and aren't here for our meeting
10:18 lophyte anywho
10:19 lophyte I'm Dave, it looks like I'll be heading up the meeting.. I'm currently leading the Toronto subgroup of Ubuntu Canada
10:19 lophyte hey jamon
10:19 lophyte welcome
10:19 jamonation hi
10:19 jamonation just starting?
10:19 lophyte yup
10:19 Skapi_ I'm Skapi, hailing from Richmond, BC
10:19 lophyte Corey hasn't shown up
10:19 futz48 futz from Ladner, BC
10:19 lophyte welcome guys :)
10:20 despot32 alex, waterloo ontario
10:20 darkenergy I'm Blaine. Occasionally join in the Toronto meetings...
10:20 lophyte ahh.. hey Blaine :)
10:20 darkenergy :D
10:20 jamonation jamon, usu. found working in cahoots with lophyte
10:20 lophyte hehe
10:20 lophyte welcome everyone
10:21 jamonation there a link to the agenda for this meeting on the wiki?
10:21 lophyte yup
10:21 lophyte https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings
10:21 jamonation ty
10:21 lophyte before we begin, does anyone have any questions about the meeting or the team?
10:21 despot32 i do. where is the coffee
10:22 lophyte haha
10:22 lophyte I bet in your kitchen
10:22 futz48 in the grinder hopper
10:22 despot32 yeah it is, but it's like 2 days old. screw that
10:22 lophyte lol
10:22 darkenergy I've got tea.
10:23 lophyte no questions from anyone?
10:23 despot32 no legitimate questions
10:23 darkenergy onward with the question about the Cdn site?
10:23 futz48 yer gonna have to lead on
10:23 lophyte sounds good
10:24 lophyte Ubuntu Canada was recently approved by the Ubuntu Community Council as an *official* local community team
10:24 lophyte as such, this gives us access to a few benefits
10:24 lophyte one being that we get a shipment of 500 CDs for every release
10:24 lophyte another being that we have access to Canonical web hosting
10:24 jamonation shell access?
10:24 lophyte I'm not sure what sort of access we have to it
10:25 lophyte I just know that we can host our site on Canonical's servers
10:25 despot32 how local exactly can communities get?
10:25 despot32 cause i mean, Canada's quite the community
10:25 darkenergy lol
10:25 despot32 can we do Ubuntu Siberia next?
10:26 lophyte its suggested that you have a LoCo for a country, and then subgroups of it
10:26 lophyte so, there is an ubuntu-us with subgroups (such as ubuntu-chicago) of it
10:26 darkenergy does the site need to be moved? is the current hosting a problem?
10:26 despot32 oh, okay. that makes sense.
10:26 lophyte its currently hosted on an old box in Burgundavia's basement
10:26 jamonation makes distributing 500cds difficult...
10:26 darkenergy ie. does it have limited bandwidth, transfer caps etc
10:26 darkenergy ah
10:26 lophyte Burgundavia being the leader of ubuntu canada ;)
10:27 lophyte so it'd be preferable to move it to Canonical's servers
10:27 jamonation so there is a question as to moving it? why wouldn't we?
10:27 jamonation faster, more reliable
10:27 darkenergy righto
10:27 lophyte no, that's not the question.. we are moving it
10:27 jamonation good
10:27 lophyte the question thats put forth to the Canadian community.. what would you like to see
10:27 ReK_`laptop` hello all, sorry im late
10:27 lophyte what would you like to see on ubuntu.ca/ubuntu-ca.org*
10:27 jamonation the CMS is the question then
10:28 darkenergy oh, lets figure out what before how
10:28 lophyte yup.. Brian Burger, the current webmaster, wants to put a CMS on it so that community members can volunteer as editors and news posters
10:28 jamonation well, looks like ubuntu australia is using drupal
10:28 lophyte also suggested was a "Planet Ubuntu Canada," which is basically a news aggregator which pulls content from Canadian members' blogs
10:29 jamonation waht are other LoCo teams using? planet aggregation?
10:29 despot32 i like that idea.
10:29 darkenergy and are their going to be subsections for locals groups?
10:29 lophyte darkenergy: most likely... Brian mentioned having a ubuntu.ca/toronto for example
10:29 lophyte or toronto.ubuntu.ca depending on what kind of access we get to DNS
10:30 jamonation would that mean changes to mailman or is that hosted elsewhere?
10:30 despot32 if you can get wildcard dns enabled you could just use a rewrite to map that
10:30 lophyte jamonation: mailman is hosted by Canonical already
10:30 lophyte lists.ubuntu.com
10:30 jamonation it would be nice to have an archive of emails on the site, with comments enabled
10:30 darkenergy probably just as easy to organize the subgroups in the CMS
10:30 jamonation sorta like gmane, but integrated into whatever other CMS we use
10:31 lophyte ReK_`laptop`: btw, welcome... our agenda is here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings
10:31 ReK_`laptop` thanks
10:31 lophyte jamonation: good idea
10:31 jamonation are the 2 or 3 people that volunteered to help with the site present?
10:31 lophyte kind of like a forum-style interface to the mailing list
10:31 jamonation yeah
10:31 lophyte I don't think so
10:32 ReK_`laptop` im one of them
10:32 jamonation i think drupal has a mailman module too ;)
10:32 lophyte ah
10:32 lophyte I know that when we launched ubuntutoronto.org on Drupal, Corey had issues with it.. we'll have to talk to him
10:32 ReK_ but i cant start for another week or so, deadlines creeping up :(
10:32 darkenergy what does Cory like?
10:32 jamonation anything python?
10:32 lophyte I'm not sure
10:33 jamonation well, whatever we choose, I can help with the theming
10:33 lophyte I'll be posting notes from the meeting on the wiki and the mailing list, so Corey can respond to these questions
10:34 lophyte ReK_: no worries.. we still need to move it over to Canonical hosting first anyhow
10:34 ReK_ what about phpbb? it has built-in groups, easily moddable and there are already cms mods out for it
10:34 despot32 i liked phpbb when i used it on one of my sites
10:34 lophyte the issue I see with phpbb is that it wouldn't integrate with the mailing list
10:34 ReK_ how do we want it to intergrate? i might be able to work on that
10:34 darkenergy and its got a history of security probs
10:35 lophyte the majority of our discussion traffic is on the mailing list.. if we wanted to create a forum, it would ideally work with the list
10:35 jamonation http://drupal.org/project/listhandler
10:35 lophyte jamonation: checking..
10:35 lophyte Drupal fanboy ;)
10:35 jamonation indeed
10:35 lophyte jamonation: looks like what we need..
10:36 darkenergy so, I'm not personally convinced that drupal is the greatest choice if you want to get non-technical editors involved
10:36 jamonation why not?
10:36 lophyte drupal's content posting is quite intuitive
10:36 darkenergy ok. /runs for exit
10:36 jamonation there is also a wysiwyg javascript editor
10:37 jamonation no no, it's a valid concern
10:37 lophyte darkenergy: ubuntutoronto.org runs on Drupal, and Kim has posted on it many times
10:37 darkenergy LOL
10:37 lophyte its almost his personal blog ;)
10:37 ReK_ about mailing list on phpbb: http://www.mail2forum.com
10:37 jamonation how many of us have a personal blog or site?
10:37 lophyte ReK_: checking...
10:37 ReK_ already done, with 2 way comunication between the list and the forum
10:38 lophyte I know as a fact that people have requested we set up a forum
10:38 jamonation if most of us have a site already, aggregating into a planet would be best no?
10:38 ReK_ yeah
10:38 lophyte jamonation: yup.. but we also want ubuntu canada specific content as well, not just aggregated blogs
10:39 jamonation right, so here again, drupal, bear with me:
10:39 jamonation forum, integrated and installed in drupal by default
10:39 ReK_ we could get the planet to only read blog posts with the ubunu-ca tag?
10:39 ReK_ or ubuntu* might be better
10:40 darkenergy if you're using venus its got good filters
10:40 jamonation aggregation, module is included in core, allows the admin to choose whatever feed, in multiple formats
10:40 jamonation content posting, done, mailing list integration, doable
10:40 lophyte well, before we start arguing what CMS is going to be used, let's focus on what features we want
10:40 jamonation I'll make a list on the wiki page?
10:41 ReK_ so far im seeing news post, mailing list, basic forums and planet-style post aggregation
10:41 ReK_ although the latter could be seperated out of the cms easily
10:41 jamonation same goes for the forum
10:42 jamonation though a single sign on auth mechanism is preferable
10:42 jamonation what about wiki? just use the main ubuntu wiki?
10:42 ReK_ if we can use the forum to make news posts by using user groups/hidden forums, it would be extremely simplistic for editors
10:43 lophyte yup...
10:43 jamonation hey one sec. lets take a step back...
10:43 lophyte any and all wiki needs are met by the existing wiki
10:43 jamonation what are we trying to do with the site? we have it, but why? what is it's purpose?
10:43 jamonation if we start there, the CMS and feature will follow
10:43 lophyte a community portal, I would say
10:43 ReK_ news, a place to gather and talk
10:43 ReK_ what he said, basically :P
10:44 lophyte it would serve the news function it currently serves
10:44 jamonation ok, so a portal to events, thoughts, howtos, mailing list?
10:44 lophyte yup
10:44 jamonation right
10:44 ReK_ I could see other features n the future, like a downloads section, media gallery
10:44 lophyte a photo gallery was also suggested
10:44 jamonation photos/videos/podcasts?
10:45 lophyte videos could be hosted on youtube or ubuntuvideo.com and linked to from ubuntu.ca
10:45 despot32 yeah
10:45 despot32 this sounds quite complicated
10:45 lophyte how so?
10:45 ReK_ if were going for a gallery, id suggest this: http://gallery.menalto.com/
10:45 ReK_ we use it for the dystopia pr gallery
10:46 despot32 i mean, will people have use for all these features? sounds like a lot
10:46 darkenergy I think you probably want to find out what Canonical will supply before selecting packages
10:46 lophyte agreed
10:46 darkenergy ditto
10:46 jamonation i think they'll do whatever runs on the lamp stack
10:46 lophyte despot32: news and forums isn't complicated
10:46 despot32 no, not at all
10:46 lophyte other features can be added later, if needed
10:46 despot32 but videos?
10:46 jamonation there's a gallery plugin for drupal :)
10:46 ReK_ and everything else is gravy that you dopnt have to go to if you dont want
10:46 despot32 i mean are we gonna make ubuntu films?
10:46 darkenergy yeah, but you need community first. if you supply empty space it won't be all that inviting
10:47 lophyte despot32: Ubuntu Toronto is planning to :)
10:47 lophyte but
10:47 ReK_ well, see, this is why i said i could see these features later
10:47 lophyte let's get back to the point...
10:47 lophyte we've got:
10:47 lophyte 1) news
10:47 lophyte 2) mailing list-integated forums
10:47 lophyte 3) news aggregator
10:47 lophyte I think this is a good place to start
10:47 despot32 those 3 sound good
10:48 jamonation yeah
10:48 despot32 brb...
10:48 lophyte anything further can be added later, if needed
10:48 jamonation apart from mailing list, I think pretty much any CMS will suffice
10:48 lophyte I agree
10:48 lophyte I'd suggest Drupal as well
10:49 lophyte we'll see what Brian and Corey think
10:49 ReK_ im still partial to phpbb, it can do everything but news aggregation and is more user-friendly for the editors
10:49 jamonation anyone else?
10:49 jamonation ReK_: but for admin it is a royal PITA
10:49 ReK_ no
10:50 lophyte phpbb isn't a CMS though...
10:50 ReK_ it can be modded into one
10:50 lophyte that creates work
10:50 jamonation why not go with CMS to begin with then?
10:50 lophyte someone has to mod it
10:50 ReK_ i will, i have before
10:51 lophyte rather than modding something that isn't a CMS.. why not go with a CMS to start
10:51 darkenergy agree
10:51 jamonation anyone used typo3 or other enterprise CMSes?
10:51 jamonation plone?
10:51 lophyte whether its Drupal or not isn't a concern at the moment
10:52 darkenergy I used typo2. it was ok but you have to be happy with ruby hacking
10:52 darkenergy plone, sucks from what I know
10:52 jamonation hmm, wait a sec., forums can go on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=183
10:52 jamonation which is the LoCo team portion of the forums
10:53 darkenergy nice
10:53 lophyte it could, but is it a good idea to duplicate discussions?
10:53 jamonation it would do ubuntu more good to have them there too
10:53 darkenergy integrated search if its colo'd
10:54 jamonation it also has integrated rss, so we could aggregate that onto ubuntu.ca
10:54 lophyte I wonder if there's a way to integrate ubunuforums with the mailing lists
10:54 jamonation and to have all locos centralized would boost their profile to new users, since forums are usu. their first stop
10:54 darkenergy and less admin too
10:54 jamonation there are plugins for posting to mailing lists form a cms
10:55 jamonation even wordpress has one for mailman
10:55 lophyte indeed.. but I mean ubuntuforums+mailman
10:55 jamonation ubuntuforums->ubuntu.ca CMS->mailman
10:55 jamonation through rss
10:55 lophyte ah, perhaps
10:55 lophyte not sure if it would work the other way though
10:56 ReK_ that would be somewhat of a hackjob, we'd have to hide the 'news posts' coming from the forums
10:56 ReK_ and it wouldnt be 2wayu
10:56 lophyte I was hoping that we could set it up so that the forums and the mailing lists would essentially be one in the same
10:57 lophyte but I don't think its a huge issue to have it separate
10:57 ReK_ the way I saw was one sub forum would be the mailing list, fully 2 way. the other forums wouldnt, however, otherwise the list wouldnt know where to put new threads
10:57 jamonation well, we know what we want, so lets put it on the wiki and more on to the next item on the agenda
10:57 despot32 ok back, sorry. headache.
10:57 jamonation wait for Corey and Brian and then charge ahead
10:58 lophyte good call
10:58 lophyte the next item is regarding Ubuntu Canada subgroups
10:58 lophyte currently, as far as I know, the only one that exists is in Toronto
10:58 lophyte there's been talk of people wanting to start one in New Brunswick and Winnipeg, but I've heard nothing about them so far
10:59 ReK_ vancouver too
10:59 lophyte how far is Victoria from Vancouver?
10:59 darkenergy a boat ride
10:59 ReK_ a ferry ride
10:59 despot32 victoria's on an island
11:00 lophyte ah
11:00 lophyte yeah i knew it was on the island
11:00 jamonation they might as well be 2 distinct groups
11:00 ReK_ say, 2-3 hours
11:01 lophyte for the most part, I'd like to encourage everyone to try and start a subgroup in their area..
11:01 lophyte its incredibly rewarding to meet with other Ubuntu users and do advocacy projects together
11:01 lophyte it doesn't take too much time to start one.. choose a location, a date, and a time, and post it everywhere you can think of
11:02 ReK_ btw: ubuntuforums.com uses vbulletin, and i can find no mailing list plugin for it, so we would have to do it through rss
11:02 lophyte noted
11:02 jamonation failing that, or lacking critical mass, how about integrating with a local LUG?
11:02 Fujitsu ReK_: ubuntuforums used to have a mail gateway set up to a number of Ubuntu lists.
11:02 lophyte that works as well
11:03 ReK_ did they change forum software recently?
11:03 lophyte if you feel you don't have the time or energy to start up a local subgroup, talk with your local LUG to set up an Ubuntu special interest group
11:03 Fujitsu No.
11:04 lophyte is anyone here interested in starting a local subgroup in their city or town?
11:04 ReK_ im interested in joining one in vancouver, and id help out, but i dont think i can take the full load until summer at least :(
11:05 jamonation do you go to vanlug meets?
11:05 ReK_ im heading to the next one, havent gone before though
11:06 jamonation they'll likely be pretty technical
11:06 ReK_ that fine
11:06 jamonation but you could start by posting on upcoming.org and various places that you'd like to meet other ubuntu users at the meeting?
11:06 lophyte craigslist works too
11:06 jamonation yeah
11:06 ReK_ hmm, true
11:06 lophyte or even on the ubuntu-ca mailing list
11:07 lophyte just a post that says "would anyone like to meet?"
11:07 jamonation as a start at least, maybe someone there would help out
11:07 despot32 at the next KWLUG someone's going to be giving a presentation on using drupal. i might attend, if only to be a smartass. lol
11:07 lophyte lol
11:07 lophyte despot32: you should start an ubuntu-kw ;)
11:07 despot32 where would i get members?
11:08 lophyte uh
11:08 lophyte U of W?
11:08 jamonation another good spot for starting a sub group would be local college and university campuses
11:08 despot32 it's very rarely that i run into someone who uses linux let alone ubuntu
11:08 ReK_ Fujitsu: "There was once an add-on at vBulletin.org but I believe it was abandoned."
11:08 lophyte despot32: I bet if you posted on the mailing list, you'd find some folks
11:08 Fujitsu ReK_: Ah, terrific.
11:08 despot32 Microsoft's hands are heavily in the CS programs so they're all very Windows-centric
11:09 despot32 what mailing list? lol
11:09 lophyte ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com
11:09 despot32 ah
11:09 jamonation not engineering and physics dept's
11:09 lophyte http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
11:09 despot32 most people i talk to infer that since i use linux i must be homosexual
11:09 jamonation plus most campus SACs would give free meeting space
11:10 darkenergy jeez
11:10 lophyte despot32: perhaps post on the KWLUG mailing list that you'd like to start an Ubuntu group? that might work as well.
11:10 despot32 that might
11:10 despot32 i think i will go to a kwlug meeting first though and see what the community is like
11:11 jamonation anyone else want to start a local chapter?
11:11 despot32 oh hey, your friend Evan is doing the demo.
11:11 lophyte LOL
11:11 lophyte really?
11:11 jamonation roadtrip!
11:11 despot32 yes
11:11 lophyte jamonation: let's do a roadtrip to KW ;)
11:11 jamonation yeah, exactly
11:11 lophyte though I invited Evan to the next toronto meeting
11:12 jamonation that's inter-SIG awareness for you
11:12 lophyte despot32: you might find that the KWLUG is extremely techincal.. TLUG is like that
11:12 lophyte technical, rather
11:14 lophyte I think that's it for today
11:14 despot32 the latest legit post on their online forums was almost 4 months ago
11:14 lophyte hah
11:15 lophyte perhaps the mailing list is more active
11:15 lophyte anyway.. let's wrap it up
11:15 lophyte anyone have any questions or comments?
11:15 darkenergy Dave, are you going to talk to Corey and Brian about CmS and what is available from Canonical?
11:16 darkenergy and how does that get moved forward?
11:16 lophyte yup, I will
11:16 despot32 if they will give you php and mysql databases, you should be good to go
11:16 lophyte I'll post the meeting notes to the mailing list, and I'm sure a discussion about it will continue from there
11:16 jamonation don't forget to put them on the wiki too
11:16 lophyte that too
11:17 darkenergy k
11:17 lophyte we're going to make these meetings monthly
11:17 lophyte so we should be meeting again in a months time :)
11:17 jamonation put it on the fridge then
11:17 ReK_ heh, theres another feature for the site: a google calander
11:17 lophyte the meetings? they are
11:17 jamonation oh good
11:18 lophyte well thats it for today then.. if anyone would like to stick around and discuss, you're welcome to hop into #ubuntu-ca