Minutes2008Jun12
Meeting 2008 Jun 12th
- Meeting Topic - Where are we stuck?
Team Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
Meeting Minutes by: Elizabeth Bevilacqua & Brian Lusk
Present
The following were present during this meeting:
- apachelogger
- BLusk
- nalioth
- pleia2
- visualdeception
Agenda
- General define where we are with the project
Proceedings
Meeting called to order at 7:00PM EST (GMT -0500), by Elizabeth Bevilacqua (pleia2)
- Teams defined:
- Instruction
- Course Organization
- Marketing
- Tasks
- Instruction: Develop courses from own resources
- Instruction: Focus on LTS releases for course longevity
- Instruction: Make use of Ubuntu-Training materials
- Course Organization: Balance the goals of "How to Use Ubuntu" and "How to Help Ubuntu" in courses
- Course Organization: Recruit Instructors
- Course Organization: Recruit Teams for regular sessions
- Course Organization: Schedule classes
- Course Organization: Send reminders to Instructors
- Course Organization/Marketing: Maintain wiki page
- Marketing: Logo
Marketing: Keep blogs, UWN & Fridge informed
- Marketing: Change perception that programmers are all there is to Open Source
- Misc thoughts
- Start slow, but steady. Don't be too ambitious!
Meeting called to end at 7:42PM EST (GMT -0500), by Elizabeth Bevilacqua (pleia2)
Assignments
- Logo development: visualdeception
- Blog to Planet: pleia2
- Misc Organizational: pleia2
- Talk to -Training about thoughts WRT teaching in -Classroom: pleia2
Discussion
19:00 < pleia2> alrighty, who is here for the -classroom meeting? 19:01 < pleia2> 'lo NthDegree, ChinnoDog 19:01 * apachelogger_ is 19:01 < pleia2> yay :) 19:01 < apachelogger_> in a forced kind of way 19:01 < apachelogger_> :P 19:01 < pleia2> hehe 19:02 < pleia2> alright, so others can catch up when/if they wander in 19:02 < pleia2> this team had a nice run in 2006, died out in 2007, has had a couple resurrection attempts since then 19:02 < pleia2> our page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom 19:03 < pleia2> so, lets try this again 19:04 < pleia2> last time around we tried to use a hiveminder tool to organize tasks, which I didn't have time to use, and I suspect it made the entry bar a bit high 19:04 < pleia2> so I think what we need is to define a bunch of tasks on the mailing list & wiki, and get people assigned 19:05 < apachelogger_> emonkey: welcome to the meeting 19:05 < pleia2> and we probably want to start slow, the attempts in the past have been a bit ambitious 19:06 < pleia2> yeah that's all I've got :) 19:06 < pleia2> so we have tasks on the site: 19:06 < pleia2> * 19:06 < pleia2> Being an instructor 19:07 < pleia2> Promotion: submit to fridge, UWN and teams that might be interested in specific topics. The marketing group has its own page for coordination. 19:07 * nalioth waves 19:07 < pleia2> Keeping this wiki up to date 19:07 < pleia2> hey nalioth :) 19:07 < pleia2> Posting logs 19:07 < NthDegree> hello nalioth, long time no speak =] 19:07 < pleia2> Preparing notes/blog entries of sessions (or encourage instructors to do this), see ClassroomTranscripts for examples 19:07 < pleia2> these are all still valid 19:07 < pleia2> finding instructors and projects to use -classroom is a task we need covered too 19:07 < NthDegree> pleia2, we need to verify the Transcripts are still valid 19:07 < pleia2> I really like that MOTU has sessions here, we need more of that 19:08 < pleia2> visualdeception: welcome! 19:08 < visualdeception> sorry I'm late 19:08 < NthDegree> that is a critical thing for newer Ubuntu versions have different ways of doing things 19:08 < pleia2> NthDegree: right, they have dates on them though and we should make a point to note that 19:09 < visualdeception> have I missed anything? 19:09 < pleia2> lemme catch you up in PM 19:10 < pleia2> there 19:10 < pleia2> so, thoughts? 19:11 < visualdeception> I like using the wiki/mailing list for tasks etc 19:11 < BLusk> You may want to focus on LTS versions at first because the materials you develop will be useful longer. 19:12 < pleia2> BLusk: and luckily we're on an LTS release right now! :) 19:12 < BLusk> Exactly. :D 19:12 < pleia2> I wonder if once we assign roles (or some of us do tons at first until we can delegate) then our first step should be getting teams to do regular sessions like MOTU 19:13 < NthDegree> also don't be tied to a single version/flavour of Ubuntu 19:13 < pleia2> once we have regular activity we can start scheduling classes, slowly as we can handle it 19:13 < pleia2> NthDegree: yeah, I'm hoping we won't have that problem - admins of the project are Xubuntu and Kubuntu people, and there are plenty of vanilla Ubuntu folks out there :) 19:13 < NthDegree> also keep in mind Kubuntu is not LTS 19:14 < NthDegree> KDE 3.5.x version is 18 months 19:14 < NthDegree> KDE 4 version is 6 months or so 19:14 < NthDegree> (KDE 4 is a preview) 19:14 < pleia2> "remix" 19:14 < pleia2> yeah 19:14 < visualdeception> I think we need to keep getting the word out that there is more to open source than being a programmer 19:14 < visualdeception> seems I have to fight that all the time 19:15 < pleia2> visualdeception: *nod* 19:15 < pleia2> we need a marketing person 19:15 < visualdeception> I was trying to do that in the last try to bring this group back 19:16 < pleia2> yeah 19:16 < NthDegree> I have an idea 19:16 < pleia2> are you familiar enough with fridge and UWN to take on submitting stuff? 19:16 < pleia2> @ visualdeception 19:16 < NthDegree> it's a bit of a weird one though 19:16 < pleia2> NthDegree: go for it 19:16 < NthDegree> why not have days of the week where there is a specific theme for the whole day 19:16 < NthDegree> we have dedicated teams answer questions on those themes 19:16 < pleia2> the trouble with this is ambitiousness 19:17 < visualdeception> I've had one thing sent to them, and it was published 19:17 < pleia2> it was suggested the last time around to have something similar - but it was more like each week had a theme 19:17 < NthDegree> then we only have specific classes when we are sure they are going to be successful 19:17 < BLusk> pleia2, mind if I summarize what I've seen thus far? 19:17 < pleia2> visualdeception: good enough for me :) a task you'd be interested in? 19:17 < visualdeception> sure 19:17 < pleia2> BLusk: go ahead 19:17 < pleia2> yay! 19:17 < BLusk> *** 19:17 < BLusk> TEAMS: 19:17 < BLusk> Instructors 19:17 < BLusk> Course Development 19:17 < BLusk> Marketing 19:17 < BLusk> TASKS: 19:17 < BLusk> Change perception that programmers are all there is to Open Source 19:17 < BLusk> Develop course material based on LTS releases 19:17 < BLusk> Obtain instructors 19:17 < BLusk> Schedule classes 19:18 < BLusk> *** 19:18 * pleia2 nods 19:18 < BLusk> Anything missing? 19:18 < pleia2> now, ubuntu-training has actual course material 19:18 < NthDegree> I have one to add 19:18 < NthDegree> get LUG involvement 19:18 < pleia2> which is a canonical sponsored initative (and crazy awesome) 19:19 < pleia2> defining where classroom ends and where training picks up is important 19:19 < pleia2> ubuntu-classroom focuses on IRC and posting of IRC session results to the web 19:19 < BLusk> So, training material is provided by ubuntu-training? 19:19 < BLusk> Ah. 19:19 < pleia2> ubuntu-training develops free course material that canonical uses for paid training sessions, and others are free to use it if they don't make money from it 19:20 < BLusk> So, the entire course development could be easily placed on unbuntu-training 19:20 < pleia2> I've worked some with the -training folks, we could use some of their material to develop -classroom sessions 19:20 < BLusk> Leaving only acquiring instructors. 19:20 < visualdeception> we should probably work with them to work on clear cut transition 19:20 < BLusk> And marketing. 19:20 < pleia2> BLusk: some, I'd like to see much more community-related stuff beyond what -training provides 19:20 < NthDegree> marketing is something that can come naturally 19:21 < NthDegree> "hey -classroom has a session going on all about this in 5 minutes, why not have a look?" 19:21 < pleia2> visualdeception: agreed, I have a dialog open with dinda on this issue, I'll snag her again soon 19:21 < visualdeception> cool 19:21 < pleia2> NthDegree: without being spammy ;) 19:21 < NthDegree> pleia2, well I mean if a user in #ubuntu happens to want help with something that is in our theme 19:22 < pleia2> NthDegree: I'd clear it with the -ops before such an announcement 19:22 < NthDegree> it's like extended spoonfeeding + training and they'll love the care and attention and hang around 19:22 < BLusk> Basically, suggesting it to an individual = OK, bulk marketing = check with ops first. 19:22 < pleia2> anyway, fridge, UWN, blogs and the like are OK 19:22 < pleia2> mailing lists that have expressed interest, cool (like ubuntu-women 19:22 < NthDegree> BLusk, i'd never "bulk market", it backfires 19:23 < NthDegree> word of mouth will be the most powerful tool 19:23 < BLusk> I'm referring specifically to making an announcement to an entire channel/group of channels. 19:23 < NthDegree> ah 19:23 < BLusk> (Which is still bulk marketing, even if the lesser end of the spectrum) 19:24 < visualdeception> another thing I think that would help is if some in the classroom group were willing to teach sessions 19:24 < BLusk> Instruct the instructors. 19:24 < pleia2> visualdeception: yeah, I expect I'll be doing some, and I can nag nixternal into it too 19:24 < visualdeception> yea 19:25 < NthDegree> I may be able to do some generic bits on the odd occasion 19:25 < pleia2> nixternal was really involved with the first successful classrom iniative, before he went and got all busy and famous ;) 19:25 < NthDegree> like AppArmor 19:25 < visualdeception> lol 19:25 < NthDegree> that works the same everywhere and is easy to use 19:26 < NthDegree> not that useful on the desktop but it's a neat thing users should be aware of and know how to use all the same 19:27 < visualdeception> we are more worried about getting people to try and give back to the community right? 19:28 < pleia2> I think we can have a balance 19:28 < visualdeception> ok 19:28 < pleia2> some "how to use ubuntu" some "how to help ubuntu" 19:28 < pleia2> + sessions by teams 19:28 < visualdeception> cool 19:28 < NthDegree> some could be a form of attractive advertising 19:29 < NthDegree> like charities do 19:29 < pleia2> hm? 19:29 < NthDegree> like "Why *you* should join the Artwork team?" 19:29 < NthDegree> err minus the ? 19:29 < pleia2> heh, yeah 19:30 < NthDegree> but you get the idea, having the artwork team say what they do and what makes them cool 19:30 < pleia2> we can suggest such things to the teas 19:30 < pleia2> yeah 19:30 < pleia2> visualdeception: do you have links to those old logos that were made? 19:30 < visualdeception> let me check 19:32 < visualdeception> http://linux.dudenhofer.net/ubuntuclassroom.png 19:32 < visualdeception> that was the basic one 19:32 < visualdeception> and actually the only one I made 19:33 < pleia2> I forget who had the little chalkboard 19:33 < pleia2> I'm gonna have to go back in the mailing list archives and dig up slogans too 19:33 < visualdeception> I think I was looking for it and never found it 19:33 < pleia2> # 19:33 < pleia2> Review'd slogan submissions from the mailing list 19:33 < pleia2> * 19:33 < pleia2> Decided to go with learn something new every day 19:34 < pleia2> (from a past meeting) 19:34 < BLusk> Heh heh... 19:34 < visualdeception> sounds good... 19:35 < BLusk> Why'd I just get this picture of a video of some guy in old safety glasses in front of a small chalkboard with the words "Ubuntu Safety" on the board? 19:35 < visualdeception> I can do some tinkering with that and the logo 19:36 < pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=example.png 19:36 < pleia2> there it is :) 19:36 < visualdeception> cool 19:37 < pleia2> visualdeception: cool, so maybe go with what you have now, but with the new slogan and the little chalkboard at the bottom :) 19:37 < pleia2> and make it buttony - I don't know how to do images 19:37 < pleia2> but sorta raised feeling with some boarder 19:37 < pleia2> border 19:37 < visualdeception> I'll see what I can do 19:38 < visualdeception> doesnt sound to difficult 19:38 < visualdeception> I might do some variations on that as well 19:39 < pleia2> great :) 19:39 < pleia2> just go ahead and post them to the list when you're done 19:39 < visualdeception> ok 19:39 < visualdeception> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?ac �[34m~T~B n0p 19:39 < visualdeception> tion=AttachFile&do=get&target=exampl �[34m~T~B nal 19:39 < visualdeception> woops 19:39 < visualdeception> thats nice 19:40 * nalioth waves 19:40 < pleia2> hehe 19:40 < visualdeception> lol 19:40 < visualdeception> stinking middle mouse button 19:40 * visualdeception grins 19:41 < pleia2> I think we're good now 19:41 < pleia2> have a plan to move forward :) 19:41 < BLusk> All right, so basically the meeting is done? 19:42 < pleia2> I'd say so, unless anyone has anything else to add
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