= Meeting 2008 Feb 24th = * Meeting Topic - Reformation of the Ubuntu Classroom Project '''Team Page:''' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom <
> '''Meeting Minutes by:''' Trevor Sharpe<
> = Present = The following were present during this meeting: * herlo * Zelut * Ross Peoples * Heartsbane * Laney * pleia2 * seth (aka visualdeception) * popey * TheZealot = Proceedings = * ''Meeting called to order at '''12:02PM EST (GMT -0500)''', by Christer Edwards(Zelut)'' * Proposed Meeting Agenda presented in gobby * Contributors were encouraged to give their own suggestions * Suggested course of action was presented * Assignments were taken, by those that wished to participate * Meeting assignments were recorded on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Feb24 * Follow up meeting date/time was established * ''Meeting called to end at '''1:15PM EST (GMT -0500)''', by Christer Edwards(Zelut)'' == Agenda == https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Feb24 = Additional = * no other note worthy items = Discussion = The following is the discussion that took place in gobby. Times are MDT (GMT -0700): {{{ [10:02:10 AM] welcome [10:02:20 AM] herlo has joined [10:04:16 AM] feel free to add/append anything to the existing items. We should all be color coded so it'll be clear who has made edits. [10:05:06 AM] Line 3: do you have a name you would like to call it or are you just feilding suggestions, BTW still reading [10:06:23 AM] Call it GI Ubuntu (play on army and getting involved) [10:06:31 AM] seth has joined [10:06:32 AM] or Ubuntu GIs too [10:06:44 AM] hello [10:06:44 AM] heartsbane: after doing a bit more research I found that a team matching my goals already existed but had basically puttered out [10:07:11 AM] heartsbane: I think sticking with their name may be fine, but I'd want to make sure we do some 'brand marketing' so people understand what the name means. [10:07:20 AM] heartsbane: I don't have any better naming suggestions at this point. [10:07:30 AM] Eurisko: greek for "I learn/discover things" [10:08:02 AM] Ubuntu GI sounds okay too... [10:08:06 AM] TheZealot has joined [10:09:02 AM] Well then I guess lets start at the top, any contact with Ryanakca? [10:09:06 AM] herlo: looks like you opened all the docs. [10:09:12 AM] TheZealot has left [10:09:25 AM] zelut, is there a way to turn that off? [10:09:43 AM] zealot has joined [10:09:47 AM] herlo: well the rest of us just opened one. They should be listed on your document list. [10:10:15 AM] I know, its apparently a preference I had set, fixing it now [10:10:19 AM] herlo has left [10:10:23 AM] herlo has joined [10:10:38 AM] there we go [10:10:45 AM] Ok. For the agenda. [10:11:07 AM] When I initially came up with this idea I didn't know a team already existed, the ubuntu-classroom team. [10:11:20 AM] they have been working off and on, but most of the members have moved on or are too busy. [10:11:50 AM] I have spoken with pleia2 and ryanakca yesterday, both are very busy but are happy about the idea of a team resurrection. [10:12:17 AM] pleia2 may not be able to be involved much, but she mentioned she could hand over her admin/ops to me for the team resources. [10:12:36 AM] The reasons I like the idea of a team resurrection is that the resources and tools are already in place. mailing list, launchpad, irc, etc. [10:12:50 AM] if we went with something new we'd need to start from scratch, which I don't see a lot of reason to do. [10:13:14 AM] as you can see from the document above, there are a number of wiki pages already in place. [10:13:28 AM] I would like to update these and breath some life into them. [10:13:56 AM] We will be doing a lot of collaboration via the mailing list, so if you can afford one more please subscribe to the list: [10:13:58 AM] so why did the former project stop? [10:14:03 AM] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom [10:14:18 AM] the former project stopped because of school, divorces.. life in general. [10:14:32 AM] the initial team founders just got too caught up in other projects and haven't been able to maintain it. [10:15:01 AM] so it isn't a marketing or conceptual issue, but rather just a staffing one [10:15:29 AM] right. at this point there isn't anyone that has time to run the team. [10:15:56 AM] so, I figure filling some positions at this meeting would be the first best step. [10:16:15 AM] * herlo backs away from the table, slowly :) [10:16:27 AM] herlo: I know, I know. [10:16:31 AM] but I bet there a few that wanna help [10:16:38 AM] well, i'm decent with admin stuff [10:17:01 AM] I think the first main thing we need is someone that wants to help tackle the wiki. I think Heartsbane mentioned some interest there. [10:17:17 AM] Yep, I can do that [10:17:31 AM] Laney has joined [10:17:37 AM] what actually needs to be done with the wiki? [10:17:39 AM] We'll want to liven it up (the new USTeams wiki page is really colorful and wiki 2.0-ish. might take a look) [10:18:02 AM] Wiki is not hard at all... so no big deal there [10:18:09 AM] Well check out the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom) [10:18:28 AM] it just seems a bit out dated. Again, some of the people listed as founders have long since moved on [10:18:28 AM] already there [10:18:44 AM] zelut, pleia2 isnt' able to participate in here, lappy can't handle it [10:19:43 AM] What I want the wiki to have is a very clear, easy to find upcoming schedule of events. Contacts, and a firm listing of responsibilities within the team. [10:20:06 AM] I hate it when I don't know who to contact for a project, or the wiki hasn't been updated in 9 months and who knows what the team is up to you know.. [10:20:26 AM] pleia2 has joined [10:20:44 AM] well, if needed, I can help heartsbane update the wiki, I'd just need to know what to update [10:21:45 AM] Ross: We also need someone to moderate the mailing list, launchpad and make sure proper access is available in -classroom on IRC if you'd prefer that. [10:21:56 AM] of course we'd need to discuss getting access to those with pleia2 [10:22:01 AM] ryan and I are mailing list mods [10:22:27 AM] I don't know where IRC stands, I believe it's pretty much owned by the irc council [10:22:39 AM] and launchpad is owned by ryan [10:22:48 AM] pleia2: do the two of you want to maintain the list and launchpad? I just hope you'll be available when needed. [10:23:27 AM] I'm on IRC all the time, my availability is only limited in the realm of big project things [10:23:49 AM] I've been handling moderator requests and such for the mailing list since it was launched :) [10:24:32 AM] pleia2: well if you can continue to maintain it then we're set there. [10:24:36 AM] * pleia2 nods [10:24:59 AM] as far as the launchpad team goes, we weren't really set on what it's for [10:25:15 AM] Ross: so it sounds like, for now, best help may be in the wiki with Heartsbane. [10:25:16 AM] we were calling it the "management team" but might open it to all project members, just unsure of the usefulness [10:25:47 AM] pleia2: all I've ever used LP for, with teams, is to list membership and use PPAs.. but I doubt we need a PPA. [10:25:56 AM] yeah, same [10:26:12 AM] We also need someone that can help with marketing. The original team fizzled out and I hadn't even heard of them originally. [10:26:30 AM] I *thought* I had a good feel to what was going on within Ubuntu, but I had no idea the team existed until after it nearly died ;) [10:27:01 AM] I'd like someone that wants to maintain contact with the fridge, UWN, full-circle, bloggers, etc. Get the word out about the team and more regularly about events. [10:27:35 AM] This last week the Ubuntu developer week was a huge success because there was a marketing blitz on it. Digg, etc. I'd like similar marketing for this project so it feels like a big deal when these happen. [10:27:41 AM] yep [10:27:48 AM] was this team responsible for e-week? [10:28:02 AM] Ubuntu Women is also loosely involved (we dropped our own Courses program in favor of working with Classroom) [10:28:04 AM] zelut, one of the things the fedora community manager does/did would be to encourage others to blog regularly, get the word out about major and minor events [10:28:06 AM] heartsbane: when we did usteams education week it was just me. [10:28:33 AM] heartsbane: but that was my first attempt to see how something like this might work. [10:28:57 AM] any input from seth, zealot, or laney? [10:28:59 AM] so just emailing blogs, getting people to blog about events, getting articles on the fridge [10:29:25 AM] seth: yeah, being the ambassador so to speak between this project and the interweb :) [10:29:33 AM] we'll probably want a couple people doing the marketing thing, I expect it's going to be a bit overwhelming [10:29:44 AM] i'd be willing to help with that [10:29:46 AM] seth: I have a contact at the fridge I can pass on and the UWN. Those will be a decent start. [10:29:53 AM] I'll help seath [10:29:56 AM] seth [10:29:57 AM] rofl [10:29:58 AM] seth: super! [10:29:59 AM] excellent [10:30:11 AM] Hey sorry. Yes I definitely agree on the marketing side, and would be willing to help. I think it would be good to get some high profile bloggers like Jono or Daniel to post about it too. [10:30:25 AM] Would it make sense to maintain a list on a subpage of the wiki someplace to list the groups/contacts for marketing? [10:30:41 AM] ie; what blogs & groups we contact and who we contact within those groups? [10:30:59 AM] i would think so [10:31:06 AM] For sure [10:31:10 AM] I can of course blog about it on ubuntu-tutorials too. That reaches one or two people ;) [10:31:18 AM] lol [10:31:41 AM] ok. so seth, zealot and laney can you start building a list of blogs and such to contact? [10:31:46 AM] is ubuntu-tutorials still around? I heard that guy died or something [10:31:48 AM] sure [10:31:51 AM] I'd like to get solid information on the wiki of addresses, etc. [10:32:11 AM] I think if we document that much if the team ever does suffer in the future that information is there to be picked up on. [10:32:24 AM] so like planet ubuntu, jono, daniel, jorge? [10:32:39 AM] reddit, digg, ... [10:32:58 AM] seth: I think jono would be a good fit. daniel is motu-specific, but he could blog about it when motu presents in -classroom I'm sure. [10:33:08 AM] do we wanna get something out about the team being ressurected [10:33:30 AM] seth: an article along those lines would be good for the UWN, fridge, etc I think. [10:33:33 AM] getting -motu to "announce" their sessions has been tricky, apparently they have some sort of set schedule that I haven't quite figured out yet [10:33:43 AM] popey has joined [10:33:47 AM] seth: but yeah, good buzz per presentation and a lot of buzz up front that we're back in the game. [10:33:59 AM] popey: welcome [10:34:03 AM] lo [10:34:11 AM] hi [10:34:18 AM] hi popey [10:34:23 AM] * Laney nods [10:34:25 AM] popey: when I 'cryptically' contacted you the other day it was related to this (big surprise) [10:34:32 AM] Ross still around? [10:34:34 AM] zelut, it almost sounds like marketing could use ambassadors across the board in ubuntu [10:34:38 AM] stil here [10:34:42 AM] get more of the word out [10:34:50 AM] are you on IRC? [10:34:54 AM] yep [10:34:58 AM] PhreeStyle-home [10:34:59 AM] popey: any thoughts on the screencast team doing video presentations based on some of the -classroom meets? [10:35:05 AM] k thx [10:35:28 AM] one of the concerns I have about this is not everyone is familiar with or comfortable with IRC. [10:35:39 AM] the screencast team has slowed recently - my fault [10:35:48 AM] expanding the media to web, screencasts, etc might help reach more of the n00bs :) [10:35:52 AM] however even if you did send stuff our way, there are very few people actually contributing [10:36:04 AM] there are only 3 people in the team actually making screencasts [10:36:28 AM] popey: maybe we'll have you present at an upcoming -classroom meet to get people involved. That's the whole idea! [10:36:34 AM] zelut: Which is why I think that the after-session logs should be more than just dumps of IRC logs. [10:36:38 AM] we did try that [10:36:47 AM] zelut, what about audiocasts, like icecast or secondlife? [10:36:49 AM] in an ubuntu open week I gave two sessions about screencasting [10:37:16 AM] laney: there is a guy on the ubuntu-us-az team that does some very impressive log parsing to make readable meeting minutes. Might contact him. [10:37:17 AM] Zelut: I think Icecast servers would be excellent for presentations, even n00bs can figure out how to log into a audio stream [10:37:17 AM] Laney: I agree, early on in the Classroom project there were people doing writeups of the sessions, which were much more valuable than logs [10:37:18 AM] fact is that people create screencasts for other sites - blip.tv, showmedo, their own blogs etc, but don't specifically make them for the screencast team [10:37:40 AM] video casts tend to be a bit heavier and a lot of people won't be able to get on, bandwidth or machine limitations mostly [10:37:40 AM] ..later in the project I don't even think logs were posted, unfortunately [10:37:51 AM] aw [10:37:55 AM] herlo: if we can make it simple enough for the presenter to create the icecast its a good idea. [10:38:07 AM] zelut, its dead simple [10:38:16 AM] the presenter just needs to have a decent sound card [10:38:20 AM] one of the downsides with audio / video / screen casting is translation [10:38:21 AM] herlo: sounds like you got a little closer to the table after all ;) [10:38:25 AM] and a microphone [10:38:38 AM] popey: *nod* [10:38:42 AM] it's relatively easy to translate a piece of text when compared with audio / video / screen casts [10:38:44 AM] popey: I do have contact with someone from the spanish translation team that wants to help in that regard. [10:38:44 AM] zelut, I'll help there where i can, because I run icecast server [10:38:55 AM] Zelut: I can secure a Icecast server from Mike Place at XMission, I know the have several, plus they operate a ubuntu mirror [10:39:00 AM] i run icecast too if that helps [10:39:00 AM] audio tutorials tend to be a bit dry [10:39:05 AM] IMO [10:39:11 AM] popey, different languages may require different presenters [10:39:17 AM] popey: don't know what it'd take to translate the audio without just redoing it, but he's excited about helping with the text aspect. [10:39:18 AM] h [10:39:28 AM] popey: I think it depends on how it's done and how you learn better - audio is completely useless to my brain so I'm not too into them [10:39:52 AM] speaking of which, these are all fantastic ideas but personally I'm gonna hang back with the IRC tutorials WRT my contributions [10:39:54 AM] popey, I disagree that audio tutorials are dry, especially if the presenter is responding to questions in irc too [10:40:00 AM] If we want the interactive aspect to work (like developer week), audio won't work too well [10:40:04 AM] there's about a 20-30 second delay on average tho [10:40:10 AM] I've always found that lag is too prohibitive [10:40:17 AM] herlo, I'd like to see an example to prove me wrong :( [10:40:30 AM] laney, do you have dial-up? [10:40:38 AM] because I can see that being a big issue [10:40:40 AM] 20mb cable ;) [10:40:45 AM] plus there is the logging that you get with a text based medium which you dont get with audio [10:40:51 AM] \o/ 20Mb cable [10:40:52 AM] you shouldn't see much lag at all [10:40:53 AM] we've been doing audio of our LUG meetings (thanks to herlo) and they seem pretty realtime [10:41:04 AM] popey, that's what podcasts are for [10:41:08 AM] acacs has left [10:41:18 AM] I know, but it never seems to work in practice. The technical overheads are comparatibely very high compared to IRC. [10:41:19 AM] * herlo points pope to http://podcast.utos.org [10:41:23 AM] popey [10:41:28 AM] lets put audio on the back burner for just a bit. I'm open to expanding the medium, but we don't need to work out the details just now. [10:41:34 AM] thanks [10:41:46 AM] popey: Virgin media \o> [10:41:49 AM] we're working on an audio podcast in the uk [10:41:52 AM] popey, np. I hope it helps. I've done a couple presentations there, and so has zelut [10:41:58 AM] can someone update the gobby agenda to list the positions assigned? [10:42:22 AM] Zelut: sure I will fill out mine [10:42:32 AM] we've got pleia2 doing the list (and I'm assuming you can add an admin if you get overwhelmed again?) [10:42:55 AM] we'e got heartsbane and ross doing the wiki, logs, etc? [10:43:00 AM] yep [10:43:10 AM] he's updaing gooby now [10:43:14 AM] zelut: yep [10:43:19 AM] then seth, zealot and laney doing some marketing? [10:43:30 AM] yep [10:43:41 AM] herlo for moral support ;) [10:44:16 AM] I want to start building a list of existing teams and their contacts and start to build relationships there. [10:44:17 AM] I don't think developers is the target audience [10:44:34 AM] this way there is a personal relationship with teams so we can contact them about presenting. [10:44:44 AM] Depends if we integrate the MOTU talks [10:44:47 AM] I also want to add a personal touch to introducing people into teams. [10:45:12 AM] I want everyone to be our target. Different targets for different topics in -classroom, but it shouldn't just be devels [10:45:25 AM] *anyone* can participate, and *everyone* should be given a chance. [10:45:32 AM] agreed [10:45:52 AM] sometimes all that is needed is that they know how, which is what we aim to remedy. [10:46:08 AM] Seth are you on marketing? [10:46:12 AM] yes [10:46:19 AM] some topics I'm sure will be technical, others much simpler like 'how to edit the wiki' [10:46:22 AM] zelut, ambassadors... [10:46:26 AM] What about a ubuntu-classroom-announce mailing list? [10:46:54 AM] Laney: perhaps the ubuntu-news list? that's where the UWN goes. [10:47:15 AM] herlo: explain [10:48:37 AM] zelut: Sure, that would work.. as long as people are aware of where to listen out if they're interested. [10:48:48 AM] I don't want to keep the meeting going too much longer. Let's talk about a schedule and goals for the last 10-15min. [10:49:00 AM] * Laney nods [10:49:03 AM] ok [10:49:26 AM] how about a second meeting in a week. [10:49:33 AM] sounds good [10:49:34 AM] sounds good [10:49:35 AM] yeah [10:49:40 AM] how is this time? later? earlier? [10:49:52 AM] works for me.... [10:49:53 AM] should be good [10:49:54 AM] Works for me. [10:50:00 AM] good for me too [10:50:07 AM] I might be in DC next weekend, but I can catch up later [10:50:10 AM] I suppose this is the wrong crowd to ask. All of us *could* make it :) [10:50:16 AM] zelut, you mentioned that you wanted to have people to introduce individuals to the team, that's an ambassador [10:50:32 AM] FWIW sunday evenings EST tend to work better for me [10:50:38 AM] Can we shoot for 1PM EST? [10:50:45 AM] 2 hours later would be better for me [10:50:46 AM] herlo: right. that was kind of the position I wanted to try and work. [10:50:53 AM] just naming it [10:50:53 AM] 5pm UTC is family time [10:51:19 AM] two hours later is noon for me, herlo and heartsbane. thats fine by me. [10:51:21 AM] do it at 7pm UTC [10:52:05 AM] is everyone on the ubuntu-classroom mailing list? [10:52:09 AM] yar [10:52:11 AM] Would you like these meeting notes, posted in the wiki, as well as the chat log? [10:52:32 AM] heartsbane: if you can find a way to incorporate the above document into the wiki that'd be great. [10:52:41 AM] btw, pleia2, if you need another mod/admin for anything I can fill that [10:52:43 AM] heartsbane: you'll notice I already began formatting it in wiki syntax. [10:53:07 AM] Zelut: I am not, but I will do it after meeting... yes gobby is nice for that [10:53:23 AM] ok, next sunday at 1700 UTC? [10:53:28 AM] Zelut: should we include the chat log? [10:53:34 AM] that's 2pm EST, right? [10:53:45 AM] yes [10:53:46 AM] Ross: if my UTC conversion is correct it should be. [10:53:53 AM] cool, thats fine then [10:53:55 AM] heartsbane: sure, why not. [10:53:56 AM] zelut, did you mean 1900 UTC? [10:54:09 AM] herlo: probably :) [10:54:11 AM] 1700 = 5pm [10:54:25 AM] just trying to make sure everyone is happy [10:54:31 AM] 7pm for popey, 12 for me, 2pm for the east coasters. [10:54:39 AM] am I getting it right? [10:54:40 AM] thanks for making that change [10:54:44 AM] yup [10:55:00 AM] popey are you in GB? [10:55:01 AM] good deal [10:55:06 AM] Ok, so everyone has an assignment and something to work on? [10:55:23 AM] I'd also like to follow up with everyone mid-week to see how things are going. [10:55:32 AM] wed or thur better for follow-ups? [10:55:42 AM] on the maliing list? [10:55:48 AM] Yeah, I'd just use the mailing list [10:55:49 AM] be good to get a bit more traffic on the list [10:56:11 AM] I'm always on email, so anytime is good for a followup for me [10:56:27 AM] Ok, a reminder email will go out mid-week. If everyone could reply to the list with their progress that'd be great. [10:56:37 AM] that way we know where things stand prior to the next meeting. [10:56:50 AM] also might be worth setting up the teamreports page [10:57:02 AM] so we can a) feed back, b) get more visibility [10:57:07 AM] are we marketing this as ubuntu-classroom? or did we want to change that name? [10:57:15 AM] popey: good point. should that fall on our wiki volunteers? [10:57:20 AM] ya [10:57:27 AM] I think we stay with ubuntu-classroom [10:57:32 AM] agreed [10:57:49 AM] seth, popey, zealot: I just created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Marketing for us to track stuff. [10:57:50 AM] no need to start from scratch when all the tools are in place in that name. [10:58:00 AM] rocking [10:58:13 AM] last two items: [10:58:21 AM] what goals should we have for this month? [10:58:45 AM] considering there is only a week left this month not much.. [10:58:51 AM] prolly getting the wiki pages up to date with everything we need for the time being would be good for the wiki people [10:58:52 AM] lol [10:59:13 AM] maybe getting a little love in a blog or the fridge [10:59:24 AM] update the wiki. build marketing page. contact UWN, fridge, blogs, etc. [10:59:25 AM] * Laney shivers [10:59:39 AM] well i have a blog that I submitted a request to for the planet ubuntu, but haven't gotten a response yet on it [11:00:05 AM] Ross: if you're an ubuntu member you can add yourself.. at least that is how it was waaaaay back when I did it. [11:00:22 AM] well I had to go to a page and fill out a form and submit it [11:00:23 AM] you still can [11:00:26 AM] I think we have the planet covered. maybe ubuntuweblogs &/or planet ubuntu users [11:00:51 AM] if there's another way to get it on planet ubuntu, please show me the way :) [11:00:53 AM] Anyone good at artwork? Could do with a logo maybe? [11:01:03 AM] * zelut is no good at artwork [11:01:09 AM] * pleia2 fails at artwork [11:01:09 AM] * Laney neither [11:01:11 AM] i can talk with tiago and/or corenominal for ubuntuweblogs [11:01:45 AM] ok. so we'll see about putting this structure back in place by our next meeting which will cover this month. [11:01:49 AM] * zealot doesn't even know what artwork is [11:02:04 AM] three month goal? how many -classroom meets should we shoot for? [11:02:19 AM] I think the original bi-weekly might be too much to handle this early. [11:02:22 AM] one a month? [11:02:29 AM] First of all we need some volunteers to run sessions [11:02:30 AM] zealut: mostly graffiti [11:02:36 AM] seth: +1 [11:02:42 AM] I'd like a measure of 'these are regular enough to attend' but not so regular they are commonplace/boring. [11:02:44 AM] * zealot +1 [11:02:50 AM] I think we should wait until we gauge the level of interest from that before setting any targets [11:02:57 AM] Laney: I'll start contacting some teams about presenting. [11:03:21 AM] should we start the very beginnings of planning for a presentation in like late march? [11:03:22 AM] Laney: in the past, the trouble has been we took that approach - and then nothing got done :) I think setting goals ahead of time and then possibly not achiving them is worthwhile [11:03:24 AM] is it valid to set a goal now and re-adjust if necesary at the next meeting? [11:03:58 AM] one presentation per month? we'll adjust if we find a need at future meetings? [11:04:07 AM] sounds good [11:04:11 AM] For sure.. We could say no more than 1 a month for the time being, but this could slip if needs be [11:04:33 AM] ok [11:04:50 AM] one tutorial a month? [11:04:50 AM] I'd like to have a big sprint just after hardy, but we can discuss that later. [11:05:15 AM] popey: i'm seeing these like openweek / ubuntu developer week. [11:05:26 AM] A "Hardy Tutorials Week" could be cool [11:05:31 AM] how many in a week - as many as openweek? [11:05:37 AM] popey: big sprints that take an entire week. [11:05:39 AM] openweek was a lot [11:05:42 AM] Showing off all the new features [11:05:56 AM] Laney: yeah, a hardy sprint would be cool. [11:06:15 AM] maybe we should add 'what does a presentation comprise of' at the next meeting. [11:06:26 AM] is it a quick one hour tutorial or a big undertaking like openweek. [11:07:09 AM] mmm [11:07:35 AM] I think that about wraps it up. We've got some unanswered questions, but we can't tackle them all today. [11:07:45 AM] The last note I wanted to share was a recent post by Jono. [11:07:58 AM] http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1127 [11:08:04 AM] this is what this is all about. [11:08:22 AM] I really like that post and want to keep that as an underlying guide as we go. [11:08:40 AM] ubuntu is about community. We want the community to participate, but they need a friendly atmosphere to do it. [11:09:09 AM] through this project and friendly communication with existing teams we can personally introduce people into projects and help them feel welcome. [11:09:24 AM] I want this to be much more than a wiki page that says "go here to participate in teamX" [11:09:48 AM] adding the personal touch is a real plus [11:09:55 AM] I want this to be a reception area for people wanting to help. we help, with a human touch, teach them how. we help introduce them to team members and follow through [11:10:17 AM] * popey notes zelut standing for president soon [11:10:25 AM] lol [11:10:25 AM] anyone should be able to contact us and recieve a personal introduction to an existing team, a schedule for instruction and a follow-up on their progress. [11:10:48 AM] that's pretty cool...a while back, I wanted to get involved in a project and it was tough to do by myself, some help would have helped out alot at the time [11:11:13 AM] Ross: hopefully we can solve that with this project. [11:11:26 AM] definitely [11:11:29 AM] anything anyone has to add? [11:11:35 AM] nope [11:11:39 AM] just lol at Zelut for President [11:11:48 AM] i think that'll about wrap it up. follow-up will be sent to the list mid-week. [11:12:15 AM] Everyone going to be in #ubuntu-classroom? [11:12:24 AM] * zealot would love to see an Ubuntu user run for president, especially in 2008 [11:12:28 AM] * pleia2 will be [11:12:31 AM] a lot of us lurk in there, yeah. [11:12:43 AM] k [11:12:52 AM] i will start being in there a lot more now [11:12:54 AM] ok, meeting adjourned then. [11:12:57 AM] same [11:13:00 AM] yeaq me too [11:13:05 AM] \o/ [11:13:05 AM] heartsbane: I have a copy of the gobby document just in case. [11:13:16 AM] we'll meet again, here?, next sunday. [11:13:23 AM] sure [11:13:26 AM] okay cool [11:13:27 AM] sounds good [11:13:29 AM] Zelut: same [11:13:29 AM] see ya guys [11:13:30 AM] should we continue to meet in gobby then? I guess we didn't bring that up. [11:13:38 AM] yeah gobby rocks [11:13:46 AM] * pleia2 isnt really a fan of gobby [11:13:56 AM] since we already have the #ubuntu-classroom channel - and LOTS of people lurk there [11:13:59 AM] it locked up a couple of times for me [11:14:01 AM] yes, for collaboration, because everyone else can show their own documentation [11:14:05 AM] and since we are already in irc [11:14:06 AM] yeah that's cool too [11:14:12 AM] IRC seems fine to me really. [11:14:17 AM] Gobby is best for collaboration [11:14:25 AM] I think some folks who lurk in -classroom will be disappointed to have missed this discussion [11:14:26 AM] * zealot is neutral [11:14:32 AM] Do we really need the collaborative editing in meetings though? [11:14:34 AM] we can always switch to gobby once the meeting starts if everyone agrees [11:14:35 AM] IRC for day to day contact [11:14:38 AM] Well I'm checking out for a while. [11:14:42 AM] laney not often i dont think [11:14:46 AM] add it to the agenda for next week lol [11:14:50 AM] haha good call [11:14:53 AM] * zelut signing off. [11:14:54 AM] zelut: ok :) [11:14:56 AM] zealot has left [11:14:58 AM] pleia2 has left [11:14:58 AM] i like gobby...helps keep everyone updated with a visual reference of the4 talking points [11:14:59 AM] Well then .....exactly Zelut [11:14:59 AM] Aight, see you later}}}