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17:31:25        pitti   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-09
17:31:56        tkamppeter      pitti, do you know whether didrocks will join?
17:31:58        pitti   apparently we are missing seb128 and other guys who hang out at the desktop summit on an almost nonexisting wifi :/
17:32:34        tkamppeter      pitti, we shgould perhaps shortly talk about the color management.
17:32:34        rodrigo_        hi
17:32:56        pitti   tkamppeter: ok, queueing after the regular agenda items
17:33:13        pitti   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-09 is still a bit empty, so let's do the copy&pasting of reports to IRC this time?
17:33:19        pitti   kenvandine: want to start with partner update?
17:33:35        kenvandine      sure... tedg has been out, back tomorrow
17:33:44        kenvandine      so i don't have a good idea of what to expect for FF from him
17:33:57        kenvandine      i am hoping libindicate gtk3 branch merged
17:34:05        pitti   didrocks announced that therre will be another set of unity/compiz packages 
17:34:12        kenvandine      yup
17:34:38        kenvandine      i am sure there will be a round of indicator stuff to upload
17:34:43        kenvandine      just not sure what yet
17:34:52        kenvandine      gotta love FF week :)
17:34:57        kenvandine      nothing else to report...
17:35:12        pitti   ok, thakns
17:35:22        kenvandine      i'll put it on the wiki later today when tedg briefs me
17:35:40        pitti   ok, great
17:35:44        pitti   tedg: welcome back :)
17:35:53        pitti   didrocks is not online, so no unity update
17:35:55        kenvandine      he isn't really back yet :)
17:35:59        tedg    pitti, miss you guys ;-)
17:36:03        rodrigo_        :)
17:36:09        kenvandine      tedg, don't lie :)
17:36:20        kenvandine      tedg, i want libindicate :)
17:36:22        pitti   tremolux: hey
17:36:30        tremolux        pitti: howdy
17:36:31        pitti   tremolux: interesting changelog on last s-c upload!
17:36:39        tremolux        hah, yes
17:36:42        pitti   tremolux: seems we are now shipping both gtk2 and gtk3 interfaces in the package?
17:36:56        pitti   tremolux: mvo promised that the pango bug was "the last issue" :)
17:37:44        tremolux        yes, as I report on the wiki it can now be run as a "technology preview" ;) , just type "software-center-gtk3"
17:37:54        pitti   ah, was just typing that question :)
17:38:14        pitti   wow, with wholly new UI
17:38:26         *      rodrigo_ starts it
17:38:28        kenvandine      wow... slick!
17:38:29        tremolux        yeah, it's mpt's new design
17:38:43        pitti   a bit billboard-ish with the huge banner
17:38:50        pitti   (I hope that's just a demo?)
17:38:59        tremolux        nzmm has been doing amazing work on this
17:39:20        tremolux        yeah, that's a placeholder but we kinda like it  :)
17:39:40        pitti   nice
17:39:47        pitti   tremolux: anything which we should know for FF?
17:40:09        tremolux        pitti: not sure what you mean?
17:40:20        pitti   tremolux: like, any major changes planned still?
17:40:42        tremolux        right now, we are still evaluating the state of the gtk3 branch
17:41:18        tremolux        but other than that, there are no major changes (but still some smaller features)
17:42:01        pitti   ok, thanks
17:42:26        pitti   chrisccoulson: do you have something to discuss for thunderbird and friends?
17:42:27        tremolux        thanks a lot, of course feedback on the gtk3 stuff is very welcome
17:42:47        chrisccoulson   pitti - i'm just about to upload the eds contacts integration work from m_conley_away
17:43:08        chrisccoulson   and we have a new theme on the way too, although there's still a few problems with that
17:43:32        chrisccoulson   i've spent the last week trying to debug a firefox beta crash on natty though ;)
17:43:38        chrisccoulson   (well, most of)
17:44:15        pitti   cyphermox: wrt. FF, do you think the C rewrite of modeswitch still has a chance?
17:44:21        cyphermox       yes!
17:44:30        cyphermox       I was just discussing this with slangasek
17:44:34        pitti   cyphermox: or do you want to get this upstream first, and we land in perky?
17:44:35        pitti   ah
17:45:05        cyphermox       I'll give upstream one day to release a new release they want to do real soon, and if they don't make it early-ish tomorrow upload the rewrite patch?
17:45:13        cyphermox       if they do, upload that with the rwrite patch?
17:45:26        pitti   cyphermox: oh, they accepted it?
17:45:44        pitti   chrisccoulson: so we'll see at least one more round of tbird etc.?
17:45:58        cyphermox       pitti: I haven't seen an actual "yes let's put it in", but Josua appears to be pretty happy with it
17:46:16        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah. i'm still wondering whether to stay on the beta channel in oneiric for the next 6 week cycle
17:46:25        chrisccoulson   (ie, firefox 7 is released 2 days before final freeze)
17:46:30        pitti   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client still has 8 open items, including calendar events
17:46:57        pitti   chrisccoulson: hm, my gut feeling is that we sohuld deliver 7 post release then
17:46:59        pitti   WDYT?
17:47:11        pitti   and ship oneiric with 6 final?
17:47:22        pitti   cyphermox: great to hear
17:47:31        chrisccoulson   pitti - i'm not sure. delivering it post release will end up leaving people without a security update for a while
17:47:39        pitti   cyphermox: after the old u-devel@ discussion I was a bit afraid that he insisted on a scripting language
17:48:01        chrisccoulson   i was thinking about just sticking with the beta, as the changes in the last couple of weeks are just minor bug fixes
17:48:16        pitti   chrisccoulson: what would they release 2 days before final freeze, the final or beta?
17:48:27        cyphermox       pitti: I can't say it will be in 1.1.9, but he seems happy to include it once it's proven to be stable; which should be any time now. Dan Williams helped a lot in testing a bunch of devices with good results
17:48:30        pitti   we can certainly keep up with betas and RCs, but I wouldn't like to ship oneiric with a beta
17:48:30        chrisccoulson   ie, the beta -> release 2 days before final freeze would literally be just a change in version number
17:48:39        pitti   cyphermox: awesome
17:48:40        chrisccoulson   pitti - it woudl be the final release 2 days before final freeze
17:48:54        pitti   cyphermox: do you need me to do another round of reviews? any problems with my first round?
17:49:12        pitti   chrisccoulson: ah, so we could test oneiric-beta-2 with 7 beta or RC a least?
17:49:21        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah
17:49:31        cyphermox       pitti: if you want to; I didn't see issues with the first; though that afaik wasn't completely done either no?
17:49:42        chrisccoulson   pitti - the dates are here btw: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
17:50:22        pitti   cyphermox: right, just reviewed some 58%
17:50:53        pitti   chrisccoulson: ok, thanks
17:51:30        pitti   chrisccoulson: I suppose many of the open WIs on the spec shold be postponed now? doesn't look like we can integrate a calendar in just two days?
17:51:57        chrisccoulson   pitti - yeah. there is ongoing work for that, but it's not going to happen for oneiric
17:52:40        pitti   :(
17:52:56        pitti   thanks for the update
17:53:09        chrisccoulson   mpt, did you say you were interested in doing a design for a calendar app btw?
17:53:25        pitti   tkamppeter: color management?
17:53:46        tkamppeter      https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-icc-color-management
17:54:17        tkamppeter      Most important is that RAOF has packaged colord and after a bugfix in LP it made it into Universe.
17:54:22        rodrigo_        tkamppeter, I see most stuff is done, so we just need to get the MIR's approved and the plugin enabled in g-s-d and g-c-c right?
17:54:32        pitti   and cups, I think
17:55:05        seb128  didrocks has issues with the mir
17:55:06        tkamppeter      Argyll is also updated and in Universe, lcms2 has even passed the MIR.
17:55:10        pitti   seb128: oh, wb
17:55:18        rodrigo_        hey seb128
17:55:23        tkamppeter      Yes, many MIRs, but one causes a problem: Argyll
17:55:26        seb128  argyll which is a recommends is taking some 11mb deb
17:55:30        didrocks        hey rodrigo_ :)
17:55:35        seb128  pitti, thanks ;-)
17:55:41        rodrigo_        hi didrocks
17:55:44        tkamppeter      bug 821883
17:55:45        ubot2   Launchpad bug 821883 in argyll "[MIR] argyll" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821883
17:55:55        seb128  pitti, we walked back to the hotel to get working internet, sorry we are a bit late
17:56:07        pitti   well, that's not a blocker for main, but certainly a blocker for being on the CD
17:56:09        didrocks        tkamppeter: we already discussed about it last week, and the room needed is a no-no
17:56:24        tkamppeter      We need to get through at least libicc2 (and the -dev) which is now provided by the argyll source DEB, so the source DEB must go in.
17:56:28        didrocks        pitti: right, but we need the integration to "pick the right profile on demand"
17:56:52        geser   how long does the retracer usually take to retrace a crash?
17:56:53        seb128  upstream is doing that I think
17:57:07        seb128  fedora is not shipping argyll on their CD from what I read
17:57:09        tkamppeter      didrocks, now I need a more expert in CM to split the argyll binary package into argyll and argyll-extra ...
17:57:17        seb128  so with aptdaemon it should be working
17:57:30        tkamppeter      didrocks, argyll does not contain .icc files to split off.
17:57:32        pitti   ah, installed on demand from control center?
17:57:34        didrocks        tkamppeter: how big it is? colord and others are already taking 500kb instead of the 300 advertized
17:58:03        --      MacSlow ist nun als MacSlow|break bekannt
17:58:06        seb128  pitti, yes
17:58:28        tkamppeter      didrocks, the 300kb came from Richard Hughes on his talk on UDS. Before everything got actually packaged (this week) I did not know any real data.
17:59:21        didrocks        tkamppeter: you can look at the Size: of the package, it's basically the same approximation that we will have on the cd once compressed
17:59:35        tkamppeter      We could do the following perhaps: Put all Argyll stuff into main but install only libicc2 on the CD so that apps like Ghostscript can link against it.
17:59:37        pitti   cups-common shrank by 600 kB, cups-client grew by 500 kB, but I think we can fix that; if we do, we'd at least have a balanced budget for that, so 500 kB sounds ok
18:00:12        pitti   11 mb is too much, though, we don't have the time any more to free that much
18:00:27        pitti   (in oneiric; next cycle should drop a whole lot of old stuff)
18:00:37        didrocks        tkamppeter: right, please can you figure that out?
18:00:42        pitti   so install-on-demand sounds good
18:00:47        tkamppeter      pitti, so perhaps then leave the argyll main binary package in main but not on CD< optionally installable.
18:00:51        pitti   tkamppeter: right
18:00:58        pitti   tkamppeter: I think that's what seb128 said
18:01:04        pitti   and presumably is already working
18:02:01        tkamppeter      dirocks, so let us pass the argyll source package into main without changes and add only libicc2 into dependencies of packages (via Build-depends: libicc-dev).
18:02:39        didrocks        tkamppeter: can you exactly explain in the MIR what libicc2 is needed for?
18:03:03        didrocks        maybe it's me, but I didn't get what exactly linking it in Ghostscript does
18:03:08        didrocks        and that's a discussion for the MIR itself
18:03:13        tkamppeter      didrocks, I will add our conclusions and this info to the MIR, reopening it ...
18:03:25        --      om26er_ ist nun als om26er-afk bekannt
18:03:28        didrocks        tkamppeter: thanks, and can you clarify this as well in it, please? ^
18:05:27        pitti   didrocks: do you have an unity report for the meeting?
18:05:56        didrocks        pitti: no time to prepare it, but I can quickly discuss it ther
18:05:58        didrocks        there*
18:06:08        didrocks        so, new unity/nux/unity-2d on Thursday
18:06:32        didrocks        with a lot of refactoring and alt + tab by default (managing windows \o/) for new install
18:06:46        didrocks        not sure about compiz, seems not good to mix it with all the changes that are coming
18:07:14        didrocks        all should be done for feature freeze, it will be quite short with travelling and such, so maybe will delay it a little (upload in the evening)
18:07:42        pitti   that should be fine
18:07:42        didrocks        all pieces are coordinated by upstream to ensure we don't have mismatching components for the transition
18:07:50        didrocks        then, I'll prepare the boost transition
18:07:58        pitti   even if we miss FF by an hour or so, I'm happy to just wave them through
18:07:59        didrocks        will test on Friday, but I won't be there starting next week (holidays)
18:08:06        didrocks        pitti: thanks ;)
18:08:15        didrocks        so seb128 will probably sponsor this changes
18:08:20        pitti   correctness >> inordinary rush
18:08:38        didrocks        boost isn't that scary, running temporary running both old and new boost in the same process should be fine
18:08:52        didrocks        (the transition is in nux, compiz and unity)
18:09:53        didrocks        that's about it for me :)
18:10:47        pitti   thanks
18:11:16        pitti   anything else we should discuss?
18:11:26        kenvandine      food?
18:11:31        pitti   heh, +1
18:11:32         *      kenvandine is insanely hungry...
18:11:35        kenvandine      for some reason :)
18:12:58        pitti   so, thanks everyone!
18:13:09        kenvandine      woot... time to eat!
18:13:18         *      kenvandine waves
18:14:04        tremolux        see y'all, thanks

IRC log Eastern edition

DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-09  (last edited 2011-08-09 16:15:36 by pitti)