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2006-03-15

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01:01 JaneW         hello Edubuntu Meeting goes check-in now s/goes/goers/ jelkner is Jeffrey Elkner hi hi ogra, kjcole, jelkner, pips1_away, highvoltage, Yagisan, spacey hi is flint joining us today? Yagisan waves hello freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ok let's hit it ogra twiddles thumbs ... jelkner: you here for long? 30 minutes can we start with tech, or do we need to start with docs? then students come tech update: made flight 5 :) thats all ok docs first hi all ogra: you not getting off that lightly! :P my ubuntu tasks are taking all my time currently ... things are moving forward with the cookbook jelkner: \o/ JaneW, i didnt do more :) and now we have an extra 6 weeks, yes? flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting is the 6 weeks decided yet? I don't think so jelkner, we're discussing a 6 week delay, if and only if we would do that, the doc deadline would move but I missed the TB last night TB had nothing to decide i thought that was discussed yesterday there hasn;t been a definite call either way yet AFAIK jelkner: it was discussed we made the proposal for a new schedule *if* we postpone at length the decision is still pending though (we == TB in that case) for edubuntu that would be *great* nope not really JaneW, I will find out. it's a fairly strong possibility though yes, really we can not change our goals edubuntu is ready and on track for releasing april 20th a june yearly release is what we need no new features will be accepted there is nothing i can do anyway ... i understand but the june release date would be better for the future only exceptions for thing that were meant to be in anyway, like espresso and l10n the freezes will stay (apart from ui freeze for polish) so there is not much edubuntu gains jelkner: it's a once of change s/of/off it would be back to April next year and it will only this one release that will change it why? the dapper+1 release will be back on schedule for oct this will give use time to make "dapper docs" :^) flint: yes it would so in fact its very bad, since we wont likely get localdevices in oct either why april? (time for dapper+1 is to short for big changes) for edubuntu, a june release is *much* better ok we can't argue whether it should or shouldn't happen - here. The town halls were held, and the TB and CC will weigh in and a decision will be made jelkner, yes. but its ontly a one tier we will have to deal with it either way and cripples the next release *timer Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting jelkner: edubuntu is married to the ubuntu release. It can't get divorced. can we get back to the cookbook stuff? :p i understand ogra: unless you have time to start on it pre Dapper release? But I guess not, since you get sucked into ubuntu work? from a ubuntu perspective its fine, from an edubuntu perspective i'm very unhappy so i was hoping this june thing would become permanent JaneW, yep jelkner: well it won't - sorry see my tech update above :) ok so back to the cookbook we MAY havenmore time screensaver will draw my time the next weeks .. which will assist with completeing the cookbook i think we need another call for more writers. jelkner: that cookbook worksheet still has emty status columns. we can;t count on it until the decision is made though... quite hard to determine what has to be done jelkner: you said it is going well...? if we postpone, i might have spare time after april 20th ... yes, we have recipes on backup edubuntu may be married to ubuntu, but ubuntu is staying out late...  we do not know it may become permanent. flint, it wont we know jelkner: cookbook update please... and another one coming on content filtering flint, instead dapper+1 will only have 4.5 months for development and one more on multimedia stuff in the works and we'll have to cut down features a lot jelkner: what software do you offer in the content filtering? jelkner: another what on content filtering? I don't follow? squid guard and dan's guardian JaneW: cookbook part jelkner: oh recipes yes, recipes great, sounds good :) but the basic ingredients are still not there spacey ? jelkner: is the end in sight yet? or is the task still monumental? the basic stuff of the cookbook what is the backup one using ? is missing spacey, yes, but the concept is there! ogra hopes not mondo/mindi JaneW: the "end" of a cookbook is *never* reached ;-) its really fancy you write up stuff like content filtering but if you dont cover proper installation i think you miss your point we just keep collecting recipes as we go jelkner: that's encouraging ;) jelkner: sounds like a Harry Potter book :P ogra, i agree that mondo/mindi is a bit rough... but what are the alternatives? lol jelkner: but we get to a 'can be published' point at some stage I hope? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <-- still empty spacey: good point JaneW, you knew I would get my HP licks into this eh? JaneW: me, too, but let's cross that bridge when we come to it flint, jelkner, sivang is developing a backup tool that should hit universe these days and will be the official backup solution for dapper+1 please talk to him jelkner: I was just wondering if we know how far away that bridge is...? ogra: if mdz allows it in. It's a bit late. JaneW, universe ogra: yup ogra, that is worth knowing, thanks.  got any info or a url beyond this? mondo/mindi is nothing i like to have in the cookbook JaneW: as you can see from what ogra just said, we are writing a desciption of a moving target it requires to compile kernel stuff and uses incompatible kernels i'm not so sure publication off the web is such a good idea things change too fast nothing we should do to teachers dapper doesn't change an on the web cookbook is more useful because it is easier to keep up to date ogra, one of the most unsettling things abou the cookbook, it that it is there for the users, and many parts will not please developers. jelkner, moving target ? the backup spec was developed in motreal ... flint: what part will not please developers? ogra: is that ready to go now? flint: I don't see that as a problem flint, mondo/mindi is a high level administrator tool ... nothing for teachers/user I think the book is more for the users we can only write "recipes" for what works jelkner, please talk to sivang devs know how to find and ask for info users don;t, so an compiled book for them to read is best for them ogra, I am on sivang, how do I dig him up? ogra: what is sivang's email? flint, he is on IL time, usually in #ubuntu-devel jelkner: i don't see any moving targets or stuff that doesn't work at all in the cookbookworksheet. but its still almost empty should we be writing the cookboook to specs?  was the backup spec in montreal targeted at dapper or dapper+1? spacey: than pick a recipe and write it! ;-) jelkner: i did good jelkner, flint, sivan@piware.de thanks! but i can't write all excellent that's how the cookbook will get filled in spacey: indeed you can only do what you have time for this is a volunteer effort jelkner: agreed so we can only take what comes kjcole, jelkner i remember last week you wanted to fill in the status column of the worksheet so we have a better understanding of the status and the work to be done even if the tool isnt ready, please dont promote mondo/mindi as a default (its good to have it in a *very advanced* section thjough) spacey: yes, we couldn't meet last sunday jelkner: it would help to have the status column populated, can you do that? ogra, the nice thing abou this user cookbook framework is that ther is a plug-ability to it.  unplug one reciepe and plug in another... jelkner: when that status stuff is there its easier to ask other people to contribute since its more clean what still needs to be done ogra: we feel some solution is better than none, even if it is not ideal jelkner: it would help for volunteers wanting to help to see where input is needed the cookbook is aimed at end users That's why the worksheet is there. jelkner: yes I agree when sivan has a receipe that works we put it in the cookbook. it could provide solutions that are not really ready for prime time, but which are essential to solviing folks problems in the present jelkner: can you and kjcole fill in the status? or send it to me in a mail and I can do it on the wiki... so it will change as better solutions come available jelkner, flint, the default reciepe should be a good explanation to set up tar/cronjobs/cdrecord and some scripts ... please dont provide users with rocket science if they only need a bycicle kjcole: can we agree to do that this weekend? i agree that mondo/mindi is a good thing for people who are unix admins since some years ogra: you don't need to fear that great :) jelkner, sounds good one big advantage i have is that i'm not nearly smart enough for rocket science I would say the point of the cookbook is to 1) Help USERS to understand Edubuntu, and how it is set up and works and if i can understand, chances are most other people can too 2) to reduce the support requirements, but fullfilling point #1 JaneW, but since some of our users need to be the admins as well, it gets a bit blurry pips1 finally caught up with the discussion hi ogra: true, but admins may not need it so we should provide the easiest ways to achieve the tasks ... ogra: someone who KNOWS can always find the info elsewhere, so if the info is a bit beneither them it's ok we can't cater for everyone yep Klaidas [n=klaidas@ctv-84-55-6-137.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ok, so with all that said, is it going ok jelkner and kjcole ? yes i think it is excellent! Thank-you :) I have faith that it's going to ROCK cya next week then, same time, same channel... thanks bye kjcole: jelkner: need some docs on securing edubuntu ? Yagisan: how do you mean? Yagisan, if written with teachers in mind, sure.  Why not?  (Just keep the intended audience in  mind.  Many who may be a bit timid about Linux.) Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting jelkner: securing against malicious users etc. I can't find server security in your cookbook draft jelkner, Yagisan is security cionsultant Yagisan: i don't think the Edubuntu cookbook can go much further then setting proper limits.conf Yagisan: thanks for offer to help, can you and jelkner discuss in #e or the mailing list? I can assist with basic documentation in that area rgomes [n=ricardo@200.222.15.249] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] I'll be in #edubuntu If you'd like it Yagisan: any doc help would be greatfully accepted Yagisan, my deepest condolences on your profession of being a security consultant.  I have don this. gratefully too great, now i need to get ready for the arrival of the munchgins... ok, so flight 5 is out how's it looking? ogra, what is the url for flight 5?  I would like to test it. flint, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu ogra: did the announcement page get updated? flint, the latest link to a dev release is always in the #edubuntu channel topic JaneW, there were not enough noticeable changes imho, and Mithrandir already covered edubuntu in his announcement pips1 updated the links in the above wiki page pips1, thanks, I just did not have it handy, Olli, I had a feeling you had it in the same place... flint, if i release a flight i update the topic immediately so safest is to look there ogra: I saw Mithrandir's announcement linked to edubuntu too yep ogra, gotcha, and now i see it. ok theoddon1 [n=hgibson@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ogra: so there aren't many changes flint also  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ bug fixes? ogra, re flight5, did you mainly fix that manual update ssh keys step, or where there other changes too? licio [n=licio@licio.estaminas.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting JaneW, only small ones and the one that required you to run ltsp-update-sshkeys after install .... so currently it should work as breezy did ... wrt install ok ogra, do you think that will fix the login bug? it does what else need to be done? ogra, excellent!!! artwork are you more or less done with the dev now? i need some days time to jump on the artwork you mentioned colours not working well...? yes, only bugfixing ... ogra: cool, well done they are still adjusted in ubuntu, lets see what comes out ogra, are the bugfixes mainly stuff that can be seen in launchpad, or do you have a list of bugs of your own? i get ltsp fixes from debian, our ltsp package was added to debian testing yesterday thats very helpful ... ogra: ok, just keep an eye on it, cos breezy edubuntu looked good (even if a small minority doesn't think so), so we need to make sure we are distinctive pips1, usually i encounter the bugs locally and fix them immediately :) ic pips1, there are only 2 or 3 user reported bugs in LP (for ltsp) ogra: not sure if that is efficient or lazy ;) *joking* JaneW, give that man a break! JaneW, very efficient, but it misses out user bugs ... but unless i get reports i have nothing to fix ah! ogra: agreed ogra, how is malone working out on your end? pips1: I think he knows it was said in jest :) so either ltsp is perfectly bugfree or users are shy :) Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ok, sure :-) flint, great using it daily ogra, or no one is testing... ogra, that is what I thought... no more bugzilla at all. JaneW was a little concerned about Burgrundavia's comments, but that's a bit OT since bugzilla is nonexistent it would be hard to use it :) ogra: I think we must post more calls for testing on the mailing list It is out there, just not for this. speaking of which we need to discuss the mailing list name lets just call it edubuntu ... ogra, +1 does everyone agree we should change the 'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu' yup ok, so how does that happen? as per that mail to the list? JaneW, jdub Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting he needs to create the new one ... then we need to subscribe everyone from -devl to it does everyone have to update their saved address only? change or add a new list? then we can delete -devel jdub, name channge would it be useful to keep devel for those discussions? jdub: the proposal is to change  'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu' we want it to be edubuntu instead of edubuntu-devel since ppl are scared to post on 'devel' and its not really a devel channel anyway :p the rough standard we currently have would suggest edubuntu-users - how's that? jdub, not really the terffic is low enough for both ... and it's an all purpose list as our community is small still +1 edubuntu-devel ->  edubuntu jdub, it shall cover devel as well as users, so calling it -users might be confudsing jdub: we would splity into devel and users if the traffic grows enough to warrant it. ogra: you and I have the same speed-typing bug ;) heh jdub: so what's the verdict? I'd like to talk a bit about the website... pips1: yes, that's on my list ok, can i suggest we create an edubuntu-users list, subscribe everyone to it, and you guys can carry out most discussion there, until you need to start pushing stuff over to -devel? i don't want to be doing things out of standard, particularly when it's going to change again (hopefully soon) pips1 waits for his queue jdub: ok, I can live with that ogra: ?^ hmm jdub tries very hard to keep consistency :-) does it really need to be -users ? hmm too ok, then i'd opt for having -users and -devel rather ++ even if it doesnt make sense with the amount of traffic ogra: we can push them to the same mail folder... sure ogra: by not doing -users, it means we're inconsistent now, and when you decide to split, it's far less likely that people would want to rename, so we'd be permanently inconsistent :) you gonna subscribe everyone on both lists? or move everyone to users spacey: hrm... and let them subscribe to devel again?:P yup, move everyone to users and let ppl sub to devel if they want to... (kubuntu had both lists to start too) spacey, everyone to both and leave it up to them to unsubscribe from one ? ogra: yeah, i think it's easier to do that yep yeah probably best I prefer my way, else well get dozens of 'take me off this list' mails it will break mail filters though .. they subscribed to devel anyway :) JaneW: oh, later on when e-d starts being used? whatever can we postpone the decision ? jdub: we'll mail you :) and ask on the list for the preferred methiod ? heh, ok jdub: thanks for the input JaneW cues pips1 ok leonel [n=leonel@201.123.63.234] has joined #ubuntu-meeting highvoltage is on the ball the design/theme theoddon1 [n=hgibson@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] I am working on the content structure the basic idea is that we want to be very inviting for non-geeks I wrote up some ideas about the subject a while ago: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration pips1: I saw what highvoltage had done yesterday, looking nice I agree with your idea JaneW, have you also checkeed pips1s example setup ? its very good it needs to be encouraging and non-threatening and very intuitive drupal is a very flexible tool... there are many things you can do... but I would like to start it "small" and only grow as needed, instead of offering too much functionality to confuse user unnecessarily ogra: briefly yes :) pips1: yes, agreed one thing that's on my mind newbies are very happy to use forums yes BUT they need moderation I remember someone mentioned that they will create a new forum for edubuntu over at ubuntuforums and we can;t expect ogra to provide support there as well... JaneW, yes, that's what I am getting at hook it up to the mailinglist? like they did with others ok, I'll back off ;) JaneW, you wont get me reading/using a forum :) ogra: good :P didn't they hook up ubuntu-users with a forum? the prob is that people with only halfbrewed knowledge often give wrong help in forums (at least i see that in the ubuntu forums) so I wonder: we could have a forum on the new edubuntu site, but keep the discussion on non-technical subjects, ie everything that has to do with the operating system, desktop, blablabla will be in the ubuntuforums, BUT we could have some "educational" topic on the edubuntu website forum, what do you think? ogra: so polite and that dves very seldom handg around in forums to fix that say again? :) Yagisan, yes, i'm biund to the CoC, you know :P ogra, one of the great un-answered issues is the idea of developoer-support before you can think about user-support... *bound Klaidas [n=klaidas@ctv-84-55-6-137.init.lt] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] flint, thats what edubuntu-devel was thought for ? on a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi pips1: might be good for edu content discussions and curriculum stuff and sharing... pips1 thinks that his idea went past everyone's head :-) ogra, I understand, did it work?  or do you have random people giving out bad advice on the edubuntu channels? pips1, thats why we called it -devel first place pips1: did you see my comment? JaneW, that's what i was thinking... but there are already other site that are very dedicated to educational topics too... pips1: and ppl can discuss the latest edu app they found etc flint, i'm observing the ML and #edubuntu and #edubuntu-de very closely ... only if one slips through so ... pips1: yes but our users may not know them... ogra, you are like hercules at the gate.  but even you have to sleep. ogra, that is no solution. sadly, yes JaneW, yes, maybe that should be the focus on our "own" forum, what edu *apps* do they want to see in edubuntu... ogra, we need a command "apt-make ogra-clones" ogra looks for his caffeine drip ogra: that's ubuntu not edubuntu :P JaneW, surely it wouldnt be too hard to link to other forums regarding curriculum etc etc? valis [n=mariusz@chello212186171210.24.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting nice video fragment :) :) spacey, where? <ogra> on a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi german is so cute i like when they say "response from schools is appreciated and expected" :) Mez, yes, we just provide links to dedicated sites, and keep the stuff on our site relevant to Education + Edubuntu, that's what I was thinking Riddell likes how that video has KDE logos in the background hehe pips1: yeah thats great pips1: no need to duplicate ubuntu stuff Riddell, so where are the Kedubuntu people ... i want to drop kdeedu :) Riddell, I was thinking that lol - kedubuntu sounds like a headache waiting to happen so, do people think that an integrated forum on the new edubuntu site is something we want? pips1: you can always do it later Edkubuntu pips1, nope, but its something users will like :) ah now that I have the WHOLE clip I see edubuntu ;) i think our audience is pretty different from the general ubuntu forum users cebit is big time... so i think it makes sense to have our own forum should be kid-ubuntu, and you could even  have a  superhero / cowboy  'Look!  It's Kid  Ubuntu!' ;-) or id oubuntu ogra, right ogra: which kind of end-users do you want to target it at. the endusers that deploy edubuntu or the end-end users who actually use it. kjcole: I like it! the teachers ... the students ... spacey - or the end-end-end users (the kids) so ogra, would you mind checking in on our "own" forum then? against what you said before in general regarding forums? ;-) ok thats great so really no technical stuff then besides some openoffice tips and tricks spacey, support ... and some tips for linux games JaneW, you neve liked my Harry Potter/ magic thing, i think you are playing kevin as your favorite... :P that will include tech stuff ogra: but end-end users don't do that stuff spacey, I think they are receipes... pips1, see /query pips1, i'll have to fight me into it i guess flint: it was your handicapped duck I didn't like! spacey, ? ogra: the end users who use edubuntu daily dont do techinal stuff JaneW, that cut, very deep, my art rep is gone! \:^) ok our official time is up the guy or girl who administrators the edubuntu machine does spacey, but the teachers using it might have tech questions sorry, guys, i need to run, I have a meeting! thanks all. good input though, thanks! pips1: ok thanks, I think a small forum is good spacey, and the students might rather have app related ones we still need to decide what to put in it though Yagisan, we might want to talk security. email flint@flint.com cu next wed ty ogra: you have the people who set it up and admin it - the teachers and the pupils/students ciao pips1 and thanks ogra: hmm yeah and i forget you can also do desktop installs thanks everyone

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