{{{ **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 9 16:26:12 2007 Jan 09 16:26:22 FYI... Matthew=me Jan 09 16:26:59 : ) Jan 09 16:27:47 Ok lets discuss setting up forum teams. I know pricechild you are ready to roll on this idea.. what thoughts do you have Jan 09 16:28:07 Well shall we start with the leadership applications? Jan 09 16:28:11 make a small shortlist? Jan 09 16:28:32 yep Jan 09 16:28:46 * markvandenborre (n=mark@86-39-107-242.customer.fulladsl.be) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Ik ga weg") Jan 09 16:28:47 I think we need to take the leadership applications and make a list for sure. Jan 09 16:29:06 yes Jan 09 16:29:14 are those who applied here? Jan 09 16:29:43 i'll speak for jacobmp92[away] - he's in school right now Jan 09 16:29:56 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289810 Jan 09 16:29:58 we might have to do the electing at the next time.. to give more ample time for people to attend. Jan 09 16:30:02 forumsmatthew: let's first make a list of everyone and do one-by-one Jan 09 16:30:06 * Larynx (i=Larynx@arthur.mirkksladd.net) has left #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:30:07 that thread contains applications only Jan 09 16:30:09 but we can get a more official list going now Jan 09 16:30:43 * allee (n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Konversation terminated!") Jan 09 16:31:02 shall we go down the list in order of application? Jan 09 16:31:02 * Ubugtu has changed the topic to: Current meeting: Forum Council | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Jan 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 10 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 11 Jan 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 17 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu Jan 09 16:31:10 * jikanter (n=jordan@cs-user79.wireless.uic.edu) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:31:26 jdong, ok so starting with plb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...26&postcount=2 Jan 09 16:31:43 * Bonzodog (n=bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:31:48 is plb present? Jan 09 16:32:12 I don't think many are jd Jan 09 16:32:28 it looks that way :-/ Jan 09 16:32:59 any comments on plb? Jan 09 16:33:02 * zenwhen has quit () Jan 09 16:33:19 ok, different approach: who is here seeking application as a Team Leader? Jan 09 16:33:36 this is an interesting quote from his application Jan 09 16:33:37 so far, I see Vorian_ Jan 09 16:33:38 "the majority of my posts here are more or less rants in the Cafe and suggestions for development" Jan 09 16:34:06 jdong: I'm shooting for secretary... not team leader Jan 09 16:34:25 Vorian_: ah, ok Jan 09 16:34:32 forumsmatthew: yeah, I saw that too Jan 09 16:35:02 I'm much more impressed by Lord Illian's application which is up next http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...47&postcount=3 Jan 09 16:35:21 it is also for abs beginners against plb (and also hardware) Jan 09 16:35:31 * LordLinux has quit ("Leaving") Jan 09 16:35:54 pricechild: I like his application as wel Jan 09 16:35:56 well* Jan 09 16:36:11 he's been an active member for some time and a good one as well Jan 09 16:36:13 Anyone else have comments on him? Jan 09 16:36:21 he looks ideal for beginners Jan 09 16:36:23 Lord Illian has also made a sustained positive contribution to the forums Jan 09 16:36:28 I'll make a list of people then we can make a finalization after we go through the list Jan 09 16:36:33 he seems to have the motivation to help beginners Jan 09 16:37:14 Ok i'll mark him as a candidate for beginners area Jan 09 16:37:58 Next, we have http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...71&postcount=4 Jan 09 16:38:04 for beginners as well Jan 09 16:38:11 jeffrc313 Jan 09 16:38:25 * freeflying has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jan 09 16:38:55 I think he has the potential to be a good team member Jan 09 16:38:57 he's reasonably active it seems Jan 09 16:39:05 Matthew: I agree Jan 09 16:39:13 he's not the most active ever, but does regularly visit the forums Jan 09 16:39:35 I find his signature... questionable though? Jan 09 16:39:41 Checking his last posts though... are mostly asking for support Jan 09 16:39:45 not much giving Jan 09 16:39:50 my site: www.theironknuckle.com Jan 09 16:39:50 "I drop science like girls be droppin' babies" Jan 09 16:39:53 hmm Jan 09 16:39:59 hmm yeah.. Jan 09 16:40:04 the site doesn't load Jan 09 16:40:06 ok lets move on Jan 09 16:40:09 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...86&postcount=5 Jan 09 16:40:13 dillbertdabomb Jan 09 16:40:30 didn't follow instructions on format of application :P Jan 09 16:40:36 asks to be a member, he didn't apply for leadership Jan 09 16:40:43 PriceChild: I was gonna say : ) Jan 09 16:40:46 "I would like to be a team member for the beginner section." Jan 09 16:40:53 ah ok Jan 09 16:40:54 dillbert is just wanted to be a team member soo Jan 09 16:40:55 shall we move on Jan 09 16:41:10 yes, doesn't seem like leader is the role he wanted Jan 09 16:41:11 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...40&postcount=6 Jan 09 16:41:14 raqball Jan 09 16:41:20 unanswered posts area Jan 09 16:41:36 has serious potential Jan 09 16:41:53 I like his dedication to unanswered posts Jan 09 16:42:06 Ok just wants to be a team member as well Jan 09 16:42:13 looking through his posts now... Jan 09 16:42:22 at least thats how i took his answer to the 1. question Jan 09 16:42:26 * zenwhen (n=troy@unaffiliated/zenwhen) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:42:35 they don't really match his application statements Jan 09 16:42:38 ubuntugeek: it seems like he's ok with being either Jan 09 16:42:44 or is he saying he wants to be a team leader and wants to be on a team? Jan 09 16:42:46 ok Jan 09 16:42:47 he didn't lie, he has just been more active other ways Jan 09 16:42:57 ubuntugeek: all the credentials he gave seem to be leadership-oriented Jan 09 16:43:06 mainly cafe since early November Jan 09 16:43:08 * zenwhen has quit (Client Quit) Jan 09 16:43:31 good candidate for the answered team leader then? Jan 09 16:43:38 let put him on the list? : ) Jan 09 16:43:49 wait a sec please Jan 09 16:43:56 * jdong still looking through the posts Jan 09 16:43:59 hehe : ) Jan 09 16:44:14 seeing a lot of chatter and not much support Jan 09 16:44:18 doesn't seem to be the most helpful Jan 09 16:44:19 yeah Jan 09 16:44:20 currently digging to nov 1st Jan 09 16:44:22 jdong agreed Jan 09 16:44:25 @jdong agreed Jan 09 16:44:33 Can I just a very slightly in-a-roundabout-way related question? Jan 09 16:44:39 +ask Jan 09 16:44:51 lets put him on and move on we can come back to a more detailed approach after we get the list Jan 09 16:44:54 !ask|Bonzodog Jan 09 16:45:02 yeah Jan 09 16:45:09 no ubotu :P Jan 09 16:45:11 Is there any plans to ressurect a team related to the UDSF? Jan 09 16:45:23 Bonzodog: please put that on the agenda if you want it discussed Jan 09 16:45:30 it really isn't related : ) Jan 09 16:45:35 even in the most roundabout ways Jan 09 16:45:45 David Corrales http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...18&postcount=7 also seems to be mainly asking to be a member Jan 09 16:46:00 agreed Jan 09 16:46:02 agreed Jan 09 16:46:10 k, skip Jan 09 16:46:14 let's process the leaders first Jan 09 16:46:21 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...11&postcount=8 Jan 09 16:46:24 rekahsoft http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...11&postcount=8 Jan 09 16:46:57 his application looks very nice Jan 09 16:46:57 not many posts in abs beginners... Jan 09 16:47:10 mostly in gaming and leisure / programming Jan 09 16:47:11 mostly posts in gaming it appears Jan 09 16:47:15 a young one, too Jan 09 16:47:40 not the youngest on the list : ) Jan 09 16:48:06 i think the people applying for a position need to be pretty active in the area **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 9 16:48:11 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 9 16:48:11 2007 Jan 09 16:48:15 that would seem appropriate Jan 09 16:48:17 so.. with that said lets move on to the next one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 9 16:48:19 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 9 16:48:19 2007 Jan 09 16:48:27 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...01&postcount=9 Jan 09 16:48:34 * jdong answers his doom question anyway : ) Jan 09 16:48:41 djsroknrol Jan 09 16:48:54 unanswered or beginners area Jan 09 16:49:05 not very active... and latest are chatty Jan 09 16:49:24 well not the least active though Jan 09 16:49:25 agreed Jan 09 16:49:28 so far I'm not seeing anyone near Lord Illian's activity level Jan 09 16:49:32 agreed Jan 09 16:49:39 jdong: agreed Jan 09 16:49:50 whoa!!! Jan 09 16:49:55 Vorian_, has a big point to make Jan 09 16:50:03 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...3&postcount=10 Jan 09 16:50:05 * darkmatter (i=darkmatt@206-163-248-14.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:50:05 * PriceChild pushes Vorian_ onto the stage Jan 09 16:50:08 blendmaster Jan 09 16:50:18 djsroknrol is a mod on mod free Jan 09 16:50:22 beginner forums team Jan 09 16:50:35 Vorian_: good point, thanks for bringing it up Jan 09 16:50:40 @Vorian_ hmm Jan 09 16:50:51 though we need to investigate more into that Jan 09 16:50:57 most of his posts are in the beginners area Jan 09 16:51:06 I'd rather we not be labeling anyone by their out-of-forums affiliations Jan 09 16:51:39 anyone have thoughts on blendmaster? Jan 09 16:51:42 * xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:51:44 blendmaster, yet another member seeker Jan 09 16:51:53 ah yes Jan 09 16:51:53 "maybe" not all his posts are the most helpful Jan 09 16:52:18 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...8&postcount=11 Jan 09 16:52:18 (wow the forums must really hate how much we're using find all posts right now ) Jan 09 16:52:22 lyceum Jan 09 16:52:30 unaswered team Jan 09 16:52:43 * matthew5 (n=matthew_@ubuntu/member/forumsmatthew) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:52:56 wb matthew5 Jan 09 16:53:01 * forumsmatthew has quit (Nick collision from services.) Jan 09 16:53:07 * matthew5 is now known as forumsmatthew Jan 09 16:53:18 isp issues Jan 09 16:53:18 ubuntugeek: where'd you get unanswered team from? Jan 09 16:53:24 He seems very chatty Jan 09 16:53:25 he is active in the beginners area Jan 09 16:53:34 jdong, he says active and unanswered at hte bottom of psot Jan 09 16:53:36 "I have answered questions I know as I find them. If I am not selected, I would like to join the team that helps new users or the unanswered posts. I am applying here for team-leader of either." Jan 09 16:53:42 oh Jan 09 16:53:48 so beginners or unanswered Jan 09 16:54:07 * jdong braces for his next suggestion Jan 09 16:54:10 unaswered looks good.. he seems pretty active i think Jan 09 16:54:18 Is he still active? Jan 09 16:54:22 let's quickly find all the leader-candidates by a high-bean count.... Jan 09 16:54:23 last post is see is from November Jan 09 16:54:25 * Ppjet6 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Jan 09 16:54:33 I'm seeing a lot of member applications so far Jan 09 16:55:06 jdong yeah Jan 09 16:55:09 Lord Illian is a good benchmark (in my mind) of leadership candidacy Jan 09 16:55:11 kuja? Jan 09 16:55:22 * j_ack has quit ("Ex-Chat") Jan 09 16:55:27 jdong: agreed Jan 09 16:55:50 Lord Illian looks good yeah Jan 09 16:55:58 hehe Jan 09 16:56:03 kuja seems to do a lot of 64-bit work Jan 09 16:56:05 why isn't everyone like Lord Illian Jan 09 16:56:08 jdong, yeah Jan 09 16:56:13 not sure where else though] Jan 09 16:56:15 but he's chatty too Jan 09 16:56:34 I don't see much else Jan 09 16:56:44 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...9&postcount=19 Jan 09 16:56:55 unaswered team Jan 09 16:57:02 jeesh i wish i could spell today lol Jan 09 16:57:04 we should've added "give 5 examples of posts you made that best represent your identity at the forums" Jan 09 16:57:25 I remember mr jacobmp92 from somewhere Jan 09 16:57:29 ubuntugeek: I'm not doing much better; this room is 50 degrees and I'm frezing my fingers off Jan 09 16:58:08 ubuntugeek: He has been a very valuable member of our loco team Jan 09 16:58:10 jacobmp92 seems quite good Jan 09 16:58:11 * jdong sprays frozen blob of dust-off at the thermostat Jan 09 16:58:19 PriceChild: agreed Jan 09 16:58:20 he has several very helpful posts Jan 09 16:58:27 agreed ok i'll add him to my list Jan 09 16:58:50 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=20 Jan 09 16:58:53 mssever Jan 09 16:58:56 unanswered posts Jan 09 16:59:01 active Jan 09 16:59:18 one of the most elegantly organized applications to this point Jan 09 16:59:20 application is very promising Jan 09 16:59:25 I'm off to review post Jan 09 16:59:28 posts Jan 09 16:59:30 helpful Jan 09 16:59:52 * ecarnol (n=ecarnol@251.Red-80-32-255.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 16:59:53 helpful indeed Jan 09 16:59:59 most of his posts are help oriented Jan 09 17:00:02 I give him high marks Jan 09 17:00:12 ok i'll add him to the list Jan 09 17:00:13 * lionel has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Jan 09 17:00:16 seems to have dropped off this past month from his "4 posts a day" Jan 09 17:00:19 yes, high regards to this guy Jan 09 17:00:28 * lionel (n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:00:37 next Jan 09 17:00:37 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=21 Jan 09 17:00:39 apjone Jan 09 17:00:41 * Ppjet6 (n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:00:44 beginner or hardware Jan 09 17:00:46 PriceChild: given the december season, I can understand Jan 09 17:01:02 jdong, yeah Jan 09 17:01:09 haven't had many hardware candidates... Jan 09 17:01:16 * ormiret (n=ormiret@bodaegl.ormiret.com) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:01:25 seems like a good canidate for hardware Jan 09 17:01:26 * dennda (n=dennda@p57A83BD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:01:29 yeah Jan 09 17:01:32 agreed ubijtsa2 Jan 09 17:01:33 argh Jan 09 17:01:39 annying autocomplete Jan 09 17:01:40 * jdong digs thru posts Jan 09 17:01:45 * ecarnol (n=ecarnol@251.Red-80-32-255.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Leaving") Jan 09 17:01:58 hardware... Jan 09 17:02:02 Nothing much in the hardware forum.... but most posts revolving around hardware Jan 09 17:02:12 PC yep Jan 09 17:02:12 he helps a lot Jan 09 17:02:25 answers a lot of beginner or driver related questions Jan 09 17:02:29 k, added to the list Jan 09 17:02:39 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...6&postcount=22 Jan 09 17:02:43 klaidas Jan 09 17:02:47 beginner Jan 09 17:02:53 * meatballhat (n=danbuch@ccs001.clevelandcorporate.com) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("leafing") Jan 09 17:02:58 * PriceChild notices Kladias isn't online in irc - grr lol Jan 09 17:03:14 he seems active Jan 09 17:03:25 and sustained Jan 09 17:03:47 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...43#post1985143 Jan 09 17:03:49 :-/ Jan 09 17:04:01 interesting statement Jan 09 17:04:10 hmmm not the most helpful posts Jan 09 17:04:18 yeah Jan 09 17:04:40 we have better candidates Jan 09 17:04:40 ok lets move on Jan 09 17:04:41 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=24 Jan 09 17:04:45 wayward Jan 09 17:04:48 unanswered posts Jan 09 17:05:19 only has 9 posts Jan 09 17:05:24 wow Jan 09 17:05:24 impressive application but only 9 posts Jan 09 17:05:28 ok next Jan 09 17:05:29 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=26 Jan 09 17:05:36 * effie_jayx has quit ("Abandonando") Jan 09 17:05:37 bodhi.zazen Jan 09 17:05:39 beginner Jan 09 17:05:44 begineer Jan 09 17:05:53 bah Jan 09 17:05:54 lol Jan 09 17:05:56 why does he have to take on Lord Illian : ) Jan 09 17:06:08 he's been quite impressive for some time Jan 09 17:06:16 matthew i agree Jan 09 17:06:18 yup Jan 09 17:06:29 lord illian can do hardware... right? Jan 09 17:06:31 hehe he gave 5 helpeful contributions : ) Jan 09 17:06:33 note: "Please consider my application for a position with the Beginner Area Team." Jan 09 17:06:35 I like his application Jan 09 17:06:45 me too adding him to the list Jan 09 17:06:46 PriceChild: it's beter than the 0 I've seen so far Jan 09 17:07:06 PriceChild: plus I think I haven't written more than 5 howtos either : ) Jan 09 17:07:10 lastly Jan 09 17:07:12 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...7&postcount=27 Jan 09 17:07:15 saphira Jan 09 17:07:26 not active enough? Jan 09 17:07:34 not sure which team either Jan 09 17:07:38 PC: that's my thought Jan 09 17:07:40 short paragraph Jan 09 17:07:49 liberal interpretation of short paragraph : ) Jan 09 17:07:55 lol Jan 09 17:08:24 he seems to have his way of linnking to gwos for everything Jan 09 17:08:29 let's look through gwos Jan 09 17:08:32 * PriceChild runs off for a second Jan 09 17:08:33 and measure his contribution level there Jan 09 17:08:56 I have a feeling his work might be concentrated there Jan 09 17:09:07 grr, doesn't load Jan 09 17:09:08 his loss Jan 09 17:09:11 NEXT : ) Jan 09 17:09:17 OK so Jan 09 17:09:22 these are the canidates Jan 09 17:09:23 beginners Jan 09 17:09:23 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=26 - bodhi.zazen Jan 09 17:09:23 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...47&postcount=3 - Lord Illidan Jan 09 17:09:24 hardware Jan 09 17:09:24 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=21 - apjone Jan 09 17:09:24 Unanswered Jan 09 17:09:26 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...9&postcount=19 - jacobmp92 Jan 09 17:09:28 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=20 - mssever Jan 09 17:09:41 good Jan 09 17:09:59 I think to proceed we'll need to be able to speak with these people Jan 09 17:10:05 The next step, lets schedule the finalization for the next meeting. This way we can give them time to bring examples along with them. Jan 09 17:10:12 either by IRC, interview in forum thread.... etc Jan 09 17:10:31 * matthew5 (n=matthew_@ubuntu/member/forumsmatthew) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:10:35 wb again matthew5 Jan 09 17:10:55 * Seeker`` (n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:10:56 The next meeting we can finalize those canidates and make sure they come to the meeting prepared with stuff to back themselves up Jan 09 17:11:02 * forumsmatthew has quit (Nick collision from services.) Jan 09 17:11:04 yes Jan 09 17:11:05 sound good? Jan 09 17:11:06 ok Jan 09 17:11:07 * matthew5 is now known as forumsmatthew Jan 09 17:11:24 poor forumsmatthew : ) Jan 09 17:11:47 at the next meeting lets do that process first, then afterwards discuss the implementation of the teams Jan 09 17:11:54 when the new team leaders are on board Jan 09 17:11:57 yes Jan 09 17:11:57 agreed : ) Jan 09 17:12:00 k Jan 09 17:12:04 Next Jan 09 17:12:05 I'd like to see team leaders involved in picking out their team Jan 09 17:12:10 agreed Jan 09 17:12:24 team leaders will be able to approve people who apply to their team via the forums user cp Jan 09 17:12:32 Forum Secretary Position Jan 09 17:12:36 two canidates Jan 09 17:12:47 vorian and pricechild Jan 09 17:12:47 * xabbott (n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Ex-Chat") Jan 09 17:12:56 * Vorian_ waves Jan 09 17:13:00 waves Jan 09 17:13:05 both are good candidates Jan 09 17:13:13 both are good candidates Jan 09 17:13:20 jinx Jan 09 17:13:27 hehe... now ubuntugeek can't talk :P Jan 09 17:13:28 lol Jan 09 17:13:36 ubuntugeek ubuntugeek ubuntugeek Jan 09 17:13:39 or something like that : ) Jan 09 17:13:41 ok so.. Jan 09 17:14:05 how about something like Jan 09 17:14:11 battle to the death? Jan 09 17:14:12 * GazzaK (n=Gary@unaffiliated/GazzaK) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:14:13 tell us why to choose you Jan 09 17:14:14 ok, works for me Jan 09 17:14:15 : ) Jan 09 17:14:17 without saying anything bad Jan 09 17:14:19 yep sounds good Jan 09 17:14:20 about the other candidate Jan 09 17:14:24 Vorian go for it Jan 09 17:14:48 well Jan 09 17:15:12 Like i said in my post Jan 09 17:15:20 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323554 Jan 09 17:15:29 I have gained alot from UF, and I appreciate all that I have gained Jan 09 17:15:31 * GazzaK (n=Gary@unaffiliated/GazzaK) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("GazzaK | car > ~/") Jan 09 17:15:46 I want to give back in what ever way I can... Jan 09 17:16:18 I am a manager by profession, and this kind of work is right up my alley Jan 09 17:16:23 PLUS Jan 09 17:16:35 I love Ubuntu Forums : ) Jan 09 17:16:38 ; ) Jan 09 17:16:40 Vorian_: does your schedule allow you to regularly attend Forum Council meetings? Jan 09 17:16:51 I make my own schedule Jan 09 17:16:57 ah, ideal : ) Jan 09 17:16:59 : ) Jan 09 17:17:05 our goal is the first tuesday of every month at 16:00 utc Jan 09 17:17:09 ok great Jan 09 17:17:14 Pricechild? Jan 09 17:17:16 your up Jan 09 17:17:17 Vorian_, has also got a lot of experience with helping lead the Ohio LoCo Jan 09 17:17:21 When people ask me why I spend time hepling out on these forums, I normally tell them that because of the Ubuntu community, I have a completely free and feature rich computer sitting infront of me, but its more than that. Despite the reputation ubuntuforums.org has amongst a large majority of the core Ubuntu community, I'm extremely proud to have been "educated" here, and hope to give this back. Being a mod, and hopefully with this Jan 09 17:17:21 position I want to help take ubuntuforums.org to the core group, further integration is only a good thing. Towards this aim, I'm part of the forum ambassadors project, and am opping a couple more channels on irc. Jan 09 17:17:28 * matthew5 (n=matthew_@ubuntu/member/forumsmatthew) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:17:35 * PriceChild should have corrected spelling mistakes :P Jan 09 17:17:38 * forumsmatthew has quit (Nick collision from services.) Jan 09 17:17:40 : ) Jan 09 17:17:42 * matthew5 is now known as forumsmatthew Jan 09 17:17:46 look who pre-authored his speech : ) Jan 09 17:17:54 oh, man. I missed it Jan 09 17:18:01 * PriceChild gives it to forumsmatthew Jan 09 17:18:03 cut and paste.... Jan 09 17:18:06 * forumsmatthew kicks his isp Jan 09 17:18:08 er*lol Jan 09 17:18:12 * jdong examines it with added scrutiny : ) Jan 09 17:18:12 thanks, PriceChild Jan 09 17:18:18 guys i got a work meeting in 5.. shoot.. Jan 09 17:18:38 jodng? thoughts Jan 09 17:18:40 * datten_ (n=datten@xdsl-87-78-83-173.netcologne.de) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:18:50 hmm Jan 09 17:19:03 * PriceChild posts vorian's to matthew also Jan 09 17:19:21 * datten has quit (Nick collision from services.) Jan 09 17:19:26 * datten_ is now known as datten Jan 09 17:19:44 both of you are well qualified for the job Jan 09 17:19:58 * forumsmatthew has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Jan 09 17:20:06 lol he's gone again... Jan 09 17:20:12 poor matthew Jan 09 17:20:36 * frodon (n=frodon@unaffiliated/frodon) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:20:40 PriceChild: arm wrestle? Jan 09 17:20:40 * forumsmatthew (n=matthew_@adsl196-100-96-217-196.adsl196-12.iam.net.ma) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:20:42 * Seeker`` (n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Konversation terminated!") Jan 09 17:21:51 I think the fairest route will be to give vorian a +1. He isn't a staff member (pricey already has fun) and this will allow for some new blood to get on the team. Jan 09 17:22:19 * Vorian_ does a backflip Jan 09 17:22:22 +1, ubuntugeek; in addition a non-staff secretary has the added benefit of neutrality Jan 09 17:22:32 woo go Vorian_ : ) Jan 09 17:22:37 He's also been around for a long time and has a good feel Jan 09 17:22:40 * Vorian_ does a backflip again! Jan 09 17:22:41 +1 Jan 09 17:22:42 great Jan 09 17:22:45 ok settled Jan 09 17:22:49 thanks guys! Jan 09 17:23:00 ok the last thing on the agenda Jan 09 17:23:00 congrats Vorian_ : ) Jan 09 17:23:04 from Henrik Jan 09 17:23:07 henrik you here? Jan 09 17:23:12 frodon: thanks : ) Jan 09 17:23:13 ping heno, Jan 09 17:23:15 heno: ping, you're up : ) Jan 09 17:23:17 Cause i gotta fly in like 1 minutes Jan 09 17:23:24 hi folks! Jan 09 17:23:27 jdong. matthew can you guys finish up? Jan 09 17:23:32 yes Jan 09 17:23:33 i'll post the notes later on Jan 09 17:23:33 ubuntugeek: sure thing Jan 09 17:23:35 thanks guys Jan 09 17:23:43 Just introducing myself really Jan 09 17:23:56 heno: we'd love to hear Jan 09 17:24:17 I'd love to see some involvement from forum mods/leaders in the ISO testing of Herd 2 Jan 09 17:24:28 starting this week Jan 09 17:24:32 (we think) Jan 09 17:24:47 * Seeker` has quit (Connection timed out) Jan 09 17:24:52 ok Jan 09 17:25:02 what can we do to help with the ISO testing? Jan 09 17:25:06 And generally you can contact me with development related items Jan 09 17:25:14 * magical_trevsky has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jan 09 17:25:30 * magical_trevsky (n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:25:35 jdong: see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 Jan 09 17:25:53 viewing it right now Jan 09 17:25:56 I'd like help in collating the test data as it comes in Jan 09 17:26:20 It might be just a few testers or a whole flood, who knows Jan 09 17:26:44 first we need to get the word out more prominently Jan 09 17:26:54 I also look forward to working with the Forum Ambassadors when they get going Jan 09 17:26:59 I don't think many people will find or look for that particular subforum Jan 09 17:27:04 jdong: agreed Jan 09 17:27:18 forumsmatthew, PriceChild, staff, how should we go about it? Jan 09 17:27:29 the forums will have a large base of users willing to conduct such testing Jan 09 17:27:32 It needs to be promoted, but a slow, rolling start is OK too Jan 09 17:27:56 so we can figure out the mechanics of collating the data Jan 09 17:28:15 we need to be able to trust the results also ... Jan 09 17:28:24 I'm currently reading the testing howto Jan 09 17:29:05 does testing require the instalation of ubuntu from the candidate ISO's Jan 09 17:29:11 or just booting them up and making sure they function Jan 09 17:29:20 usually, yes Jan 09 17:29:33 ok Jan 09 17:29:45 testing the Live CD is just the simplest test Jan 09 17:29:59 heno: first, I think the testing how-to needs to be tweaked a bit to be simpler to understand Jan 09 17:30:00 installation (in various ways) is important Jan 09 17:30:09 exactly what is being asked Jan 09 17:30:30 the one in the forum, or wiki (or both)? Jan 09 17:30:39 the one in the forum Jan 09 17:30:54 make it more clear what you want users to do in order to be helpful Jan 09 17:31:10 i.e. "find a spare computer that you can do ubuntu installations on, etc" Jan 09 17:31:12 btw, also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current Jan 09 17:31:23 the current test results page Jan 09 17:31:39 right, I see. good point Jan 09 17:31:59 right now, the documents are pretty easy to understand for developers Jan 09 17:32:03 I think if you make it clear for people who are not used to doing this sort of thing Jan 09 17:32:05 how to do it Jan 09 17:32:12 you will get some good volunteers Jan 09 17:32:16 right Jan 09 17:32:19 * Vor has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Jan 09 17:32:19 ok, cool Jan 09 17:32:23 most forums members are new at this sort of thing Jan 09 17:32:29 but want to help Jan 09 17:32:33 they just don't know how Jan 09 17:32:45 give clear steps and I think they will come Jan 09 17:32:49 great, ok. I'll fix that Jan 09 17:32:55 * zul (n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:33:06 we'd be glad to allow you to post a linking thread in a prominent area of the forum whenever testing is requested Jan 09 17:33:18 just right now, I think you'll get a lot of "huh?" and not much useful input Jan 09 17:33:36 * crimsun (n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:33:37 * vorian__ (n=Steve@cpe-76-181-131-162.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:33:44 is there any other place we should post a basic introduction Jan 09 17:33:47 an introduction paragraph explaining in easy to understand terms of what ISO testing is, why it needs to be done, and what it involves from the user Jan 09 17:33:53 the Cafe or something? Jan 09 17:33:56 would be nice for the howto Jan 09 17:34:08 right Jan 09 17:34:09 I agree: howto Jan 09 17:34:16 heno: revise the testing how-to to be an easy-to-understand document Jan 09 17:34:27 with a quick summary at the top so users can quickly determine if they want to do it or not Jan 09 17:34:45 yep, ok Jan 09 17:34:51 * geser (n=michael@dialin107213.justdsl.de) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:34:54 * BuffaloSoldier has quit ("www.ubuntu.com") Jan 09 17:34:57 thanks, good feedback Jan 09 17:35:04 then, every time a candidate CD rolls out, you can post a "ISO Testers Required" post in, say, the cafe, linking to that howto Jan 09 17:35:39 or perhaps such postings would be more appropriate in the Feisty Fawn development forum Jan 09 17:36:07 Yes, I'm already a bit active there Jan 09 17:36:10 I think the development forum is the place where you are most likely to find people interested Jan 09 17:36:18 (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179) Jan 09 17:36:36 but an announement in the cafe with a link to the howto couldn't hurt Jan 09 17:36:36 It also helps if they have some Linux familiarity too Jan 09 17:36:40 We really need to make the dev forum useful.... Jan 09 17:36:41 right Jan 09 17:36:53 so they can file good bug reports with logs, etc Jan 09 17:37:00 edgy's was great but feisty's been a bit pants... a project like this would help loads Jan 09 17:37:03 heno: you can request any level of experience you think appropriate, just make it clear what you expect from testers please Jan 09 17:37:18 I also noticed this from heno: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333915 Jan 09 17:37:43 some of that should probably be expanded or updated Jan 09 17:37:57 i.e. AFAIK new specs aren't gonna be accepted for feisty anymore Jan 09 17:38:17 bug reporting, triaging, and testing ISO images should be expanded a bit Jan 09 17:38:19 or reworded, rather Jan 09 17:38:24 with more info on what would be helpful Jan 09 17:38:30 and in the case of triaging, how to go about it Jan 09 17:38:39 (I posted it just yesterday) Jan 09 17:39:11 the point is basically that there is little point suggesting new features now Jan 09 17:39:28 but you can always start on a spec for Feisty+1 Jan 09 17:39:31 right Jan 09 17:39:36 I should make that more clear Jan 09 17:39:37 say that bluntly Jan 09 17:39:37 * forumsmatthew has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Jan 09 17:39:42 ok Jan 09 17:39:49 * Nafallo (n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:40:01 also, reword the bug triaging stuff to be a bit more 'threatening' Jan 09 17:40:08 IN THE FORUM THINGS NEED TO BE SAID BLUNTLY I get it Jan 09 17:40:17 more to the likening of "if you don't help us find these bugs, don't cry about the bugs on release day" Jan 09 17:40:19 * jikanter has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jan 09 17:40:24 Jan 09 17:40:25 come on you're a dev heno, you should know that already Jan 09 17:40:26 I've lived in England too long Jan 09 17:40:52 in any communicatons medium, people will skim and read with ADHD Jan 09 17:40:58 yeah, need to sharpen my terseness a bit Jan 09 17:41:07 big bold red writing helps I find :P Jan 09 17:41:13 heno: at one point my backports guidelines were bumped to size-108 fonts Jan 09 17:41:20 because nobody would freakin listen Jan 09 17:41:29 heh, ok Jan 09 17:42:05 * ubuntugeek has quit () Jan 09 17:42:32 right, I think that's all from me for now Jan 09 17:42:36 heno: and whenever you see the forums having unholy behavior (using the forums as a bug tracker, posting unsafe checkinstalled debs or other unsafe instructions, etc) please let us know Jan 09 17:42:46 we'd like to keep that sort of behavior controlled Jan 09 17:42:52 I'll check in on these meetings regularly Jan 09 17:42:55 * Vorian_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Jan 09 17:43:01 don't be afraid to use the Report Posts button when you see stuff like that, heno Jan 09 17:43:15 right, ok Jan 09 17:43:32 I might apply for mod rights in the feisty forum too Jan 09 17:43:48 (as I have in the ISO testing forum) Jan 09 17:43:51 heno: right now we have technical issues with vbulletin and making limited-mods Jan 09 17:43:59 heno: you say you have mod access in iso testing? Jan 09 17:44:03 * vorian_ (n=steve@cpe-76-181-131-162.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:44:04 yes Jan 09 17:44:10 ok, perhaps things have changed Jan 09 17:44:18 and I've used it sucessfully Jan 09 17:44:25 I +1 your mod rights to feisty forum Jan 09 17:44:35 ubuntugeek will have to apply that when I talk to him later Jan 09 17:44:42 * Nafallo (n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Ex-Chat") Jan 09 17:44:49 ok, that takes care of the official agenda Jan 09 17:44:50 right Jan 09 17:44:54 right? Jan 09 17:45:11 jdong, could we also maybe have the forum council subforum on the frontpage? Jan 09 17:45:14 according to the wiki yes Jan 09 17:45:23 PriceChild: that's stuff you talk to Ryan about Jan 09 17:45:26 hehe ok Jan 09 17:45:31 I don't like touching that part of admincp Jan 09 17:45:33 will ask him later Jan 09 17:45:34 there is one more thing I'd like to take this time to discuss.... Jan 09 17:45:36 jdong, what do you touch? Jan 09 17:45:51 * licio has quit ("shutdown -h now") Jan 09 17:46:07 PriceChild: I spent a good portion of yesterday reading vbulletin documentation Jan 09 17:46:13 so I'm getting better darnit Jan 09 17:46:20 lol Jan 09 17:46:21 he he i was only joking sorry Jan 09 17:46:41 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330230 Jan 09 17:46:49 we still have this unaddressed res center thread Jan 09 17:47:04 regarding where to draw the line with spamming Jan 09 17:47:42 it is borderline.... Jan 09 17:48:04 vorian_ indeed it is, but in this case the user seems to have good intentions at heart Jan 09 17:48:12 and from that thread, he is cooperative Jan 09 17:48:17 agreed, I see no self promotion Jan 09 17:48:28 it is for the betterment of ubuntu Jan 09 17:49:01 currently we have very weak/vague guidelines as to advertising vs spam Jan 09 17:49:13 "If a thread is spam it will be moved to the forum jail." Jan 09 17:49:27 what about community market Jan 09 17:49:29 ? Jan 09 17:49:38 I think its best we leave it to staff's discression Jan 09 17:49:39 vorian_ that says "please do not spam" Jan 09 17:49:57 aye, I think it should be left at the staff's discretion Jan 09 17:50:09 * vorian_ sorry Jan 09 17:50:23 I was thinking obtaining staff approval too Jan 09 17:50:43 particularly low-bean-count people Jan 09 17:51:11 Perhaps let him re-post a slightly altered version, say without the '$$$' Jan 09 17:51:38 at some clause about good taste to border-line spam case decisions Jan 09 17:51:50 add, rather Jan 09 17:51:50 * crimsun (n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun) has left #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:51:59 right Jan 09 17:52:11 I'm all for allowing tousimis to continue with his service Jan 09 17:53:55 I'm happy with him also Jan 09 17:54:46 so far I'm gonna reply to him that (1) He may continue promoting/developing/offering his service (2) Spam vs not spam decisions will be made on a per-case basis at the discretion of the staff member handling the thread (3) If you have low-bean count it's helpful to first clear it by PM'ing an administrator or staff member Jan 09 17:54:50 any objections? Jan 09 17:55:05 in addition to no. 1 Jan 09 17:55:17 the promoting in the appropriate subforum Jan 09 17:55:24 and signature Jan 09 17:55:31 (marketplace?) Jan 09 17:55:34 yup Jan 09 17:56:54 what currently happens when a user is banned? Jan 09 17:56:58 are they unable to log in? Jan 09 17:57:19 depends on the type of ban? Jan 09 17:57:24 * licio (n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:57:43 spam infractions? Jan 09 17:57:55 that's just a ban on the name Jan 09 17:57:58 the OP seems to state that he couldn't read his PM's? Jan 09 17:58:04 yeah Jan 09 17:58:04 once he was banned Jan 09 17:58:09 heh Jan 09 17:58:16 * Czessi (n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-045-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 17:58:17 when you log in because of spam infraction you can't see aything Jan 09 17:58:30 can you see your infraction notices Jan 09 17:58:35 jdong, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332163 Jan 09 17:58:37 Nope Jan 09 17:58:39 and can you contact staff members for a rebuttal? Jan 09 17:58:43 vorian_, sorry but you can't see that link Jan 09 17:58:44 No Jan 09 17:58:47 uhm, lovely Jan 09 17:58:55 jdong, my issues with it were outlined int hat thread Jan 09 17:58:59 PriceChild: Jan 09 17:59:35 ok Jan 09 17:59:56 I think we need to refine the behavior of infraction-based bans Jan 09 18:00:02 uip Jan 09 18:00:05 but at a later meeting when all staff members are present Jan 09 18:00:10 it simply doesn't make sense at the moment Jan 09 18:00:13 jdong, arg rav tux has changed his avatar again lol :P Jan 09 18:00:34 hehe Jan 09 18:01:03 ubuntugeek mentioned making another meeting within a week or two because of the approval of matthew and mikeb Jan 09 18:01:09 we can sort things out then Jan 09 18:02:23 * mr_pouit (n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Jan 09 18:02:41 So.... Jan 09 18:02:55 * jdong still typing out a flowery version of what he said Jan 09 18:03:24 jdong: Does this council have a launchpad entry? Jan 09 18:03:36 vorian_: err i dont know Jan 09 18:03:37 lol Jan 09 18:03:42 hehe Jan 09 18:03:48 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...41#post1989441 , my response Jan 09 18:04:42 looks good Jan 09 18:04:48 ok, anything further? Jan 09 18:04:49 vorian_, not yet no Jan 09 18:04:54 Im' happy Jan 09 18:04:55 I'd like to play starcraft on my large screen Jan 09 18:05:02 jd Jan 09 18:05:05 I'll post logs to the subforum and wiki Jan 09 18:05:26 ok, PriceChild Jan 09 18:05:32 and vorian_ gets to have fun too Jan 09 18:05:41 seen as vorian_ got d/c and missed out bits :P Jan 09 18:05:55 yep Jan 09 18:05:58 ok, anything futher? Jan 09 18:06:02 PriceChild: thanks Jan 09 18:06:05 can I bang the hammer thingie? Jan 09 18:06:15 * vorian_ stands in applause! Jan 09 18:06:22 * jdong bangs hammer Jan 09 18:06:32 meeting is over, thanks to those who showed up and contributed Jan 09 18:06:46 thanks everyone! Jan 09 18:06:51 next meeting scheduled.... err... whenever Jan 09 18:07:02 that will be a fun one Jan 09 18:07:04 (we will likely have a follow-up meeting) Jan 09 18:07:09 13th of february Jan 09 18:07:14 although there'll be one inbetween Jan 09 18:07:18 PriceChild: yeah Jan 09 18:07:23 anyway Jan 09 18:07:28 we can hammer out the agendas later Jan 09 18:07:46 alright, starcraft time Jan 09 18:07:52 SysTray Integration Plugin unloaded Jan 09 18:07:52 Tcl interface unloaded Jan 09 18:07:52 Python interface unloaded **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 9 18:07:52 2007 }}}