## page was copied from IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2009-10-14 The Ubuntu Ireland IRC meeting was held at 8pm Irish time on Wednesday 14th October 2009, on #ubuntu-ie on FreeNode. MootBot was used for keeping minutes and logs of the meeting, and MootBot isn't set to Irish Time, so the times look 'wrong' == Attendance == 1. ebel 2. Mean-Machine 3. Duvelhedz 4. czajkowski 5. theirishpenguin 6. davem 7. airurando 8. ubot3 9. shane_fagan 10. slashtom == Agenda == || '''Agenda item''' || '''Proposer''' || || Release Party || czajkowski|| || Bug Jam - thoughts post event || czajkowski|| || state of IRC Channel || czajkowski || || Point of Contact || Mean-Machine || == Minutes == MootBot link: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-ie.20091014_1424.html {{{ Meeting started by ebel at 14:24 14:25:50 LINK czajkowski https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2009-10-14 14:26:01 LINK ebel http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2009/10/14/%23ubuntu-ie.html this is the logs of the meeting 14:26:27 Topic: Release Party 14:30:33 LINK ebel http://www.jimmychungs.com/locate/loc_dublin.htm 14:42:43 Topic: Bug Jam - thoughts post event 15:16:09 Topic: state of IRC Channel 15:23:43 Topic: Point of Contact Meeting ended at 15:42. People Present: 1. ebel 2. Mean-Machine 3. Duvelhedz 4. czajkowski 5. theirishpenguin 6. davem 7. airurando 8. ubot3 9. shane_fagan 10. slashtom }}} == Any Other Business == The following topics were raised in the meeting ||'''Agenda item'''||'''Proposer'''|| == IRC LOGS == MootBot link: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-ie.log.20091014_1424.html {{{ Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-ie [14:24:20] hello all! [14:24:27] heya [14:24:40] please say "PRESENT" if you're here for the IRC meeting, so that we have some idea of who's paying attention [14:24:42] PRESENT [14:24:42] long time no see MM [14:24:46] PRESENT [14:24:48] PRESENT [14:24:50] present [14:24:53] hiya Duvelhedz [14:25:00] PRESENT [14:25:03] Is allen [14:25:17] slashtom: *poke* [14:25:20] For the record the wiki page for this is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2009-10-14 [LINK] [14:25:43] We've got an agenda on there that people have added to recently. [14:25:50] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2009-10-14 [14:25:54] weird bot [14:26:01] [link] http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2009/10/14/%23ubuntu-ie.html this is the logs of the meeting [14:26:13] well ish. [14:26:24] First item from czajkowski [14:26:27] [topic] Release Party [14:26:57] right so we have the restaurant ticked [14:27:07] we do need to get numbers this time as last time was great [14:27:16] but adding 2 chairs at a time is rather annoying [14:27:26] so I was gonna send out a doodle asking who was coming [14:27:33] also we were to ask the mailing list re pub [14:27:41] so does anyone have any ideas [14:27:56] sounds good [14:28:03] what time were we thinking again? 1pm? [14:28:07] * Mean-Machine is not going to be there as he's flying home for a week [14:28:21] 1/1:30 [14:28:25] on saturday 31st of October, wasn't it? [14:28:27] more likely 1:30 [14:28:32] (just so everyone knows :) ) [14:28:33] allow for sleepy heads to get up [14:28:44] and also I know of a group from limerick coming uo [14:28:59] SATURDAY 31ST OCTOBER IS UBUNTU-IE RELEASE PARTY [14:29:04] Is that the guy who was enquiring about the party [14:29:33] davem: *ping* [14:29:46] yo [14:29:51] 15days till the official release :-] [14:30:01] davem: release party [14:30:06] also take part in irc meeting [14:30:08] The restaurant is Jimmy Chungs, isn't it? http://www.jimmychungs.com/locate/loc_dublin.htm [14:30:20] huh? [14:30:20] ebel: yup [14:30:33] [link] http://www.jimmychungs.com/locate/loc_dublin.htm [14:30:56] hiya davem [14:31:01] hell [14:31:04] *hello [14:31:13] davem: 0/ [14:31:48] hello airurando [14:32:18] right so jimmy chungs @1:30on saturday 31/10 [14:32:21] pub afterwaqrds? [14:32:25] btw, i have no confirmation from ship it about the goodies pack for the party [14:32:26] do we fnacy messers again? [14:32:32] Mean-Machine: feck :( [14:32:35] Same as last time? [14:32:40] yeah? [14:32:47] i likes mssrs [14:32:52] czajkowski: messers stinks [14:33:02] :-) [14:33:03] Pity there is no wifi there [14:33:04] czajkowski: should have around 6 heading to it [14:33:13] * ebel is easy about the pub, doesn't mind [14:33:24] might be a nice change from longstone [14:33:27] Hello Duvelhedz. to introduce myself I'm just a simple ubuntu user [14:33:42] airurando: hiya [14:33:52] hiya airurando, here for the IRC meeting? [14:33:59] davem: excellent [14:34:08] Welcome, we a discussing the release party of the 31st in Dublin [14:34:08] Mean-Machine: aye it did that day, not sure it does usually [14:34:12] where else is close [14:34:17] this was meant to go on the mailing list [14:34:59] Hi Mean-Machie and ebel. Yes here to see what ubuntu-ie is all about if that is Ok? [14:35:12] Karma on Fishamble St. E3.70 Guinness and free internet [14:35:32] airurando: of course, welcome! [14:35:32] Just an idea [14:35:46] Duvelhedz: is that clsoe to chungs, no idea of locations tbh [14:35:50] airurando: yeah, everyone is welcome. [14:35:59] Duvelhedz: yeah been there. [14:36:10] czajkowski: it's a bit of a walk... end of temple bar. [14:36:19] Its right by christchurch on that hill going towards the quays [14:36:24] one needs a walk after that buffet anyways :P [14:37:12] could we map as we go along? [14:37:19] eat walk n map to a pint? [14:37:22] just a thought ? [14:38:00] osm ;-] [14:38:22] :) [14:38:36] possibly could map, central dublin is fairly good :) [14:39:12] ebel: your right, there is plenty of choice out there [14:40:07] Karma may just be a bit too quiet if we want newcomers to be introduced to Ubuntu [14:40:08] ok Duvelhedz could you please mail the list after meeting and suggest a few pubs as I dont know the city well and would like to firm up on this soon so we can blog and advertise [14:40:18] Please [14:40:40] czajkowski: sure [14:40:43] Duvelhedz: quiet is good. more talking. :) [14:40:59] Duvelhedz: thanks shall keep an eye on email so tonight [14:41:02] right moving on [14:41:03] ebel: :) [14:41:11] something like doodle would be good for selecting the venus [14:41:41] Duvelhedz: yes perhaps doodle would be great here [14:41:54] list 2-3 pubs, ppl chose and hey presto we have a winner [14:42:20] so, for the release party, we need to (a) get a good idea of how many are coming, and (b) collect ideas for the pub after and (c) select a pub [14:42:34] next topic [14:42:35] czajkowski: bang on, takes away the element of been blames for picking "the wrong place" on the day [14:42:43] [topic] Bug Jam - thoughts post event [14:43:08] topic suggested by czajkowski [14:43:09] good day overall [14:43:20] right I was asked to bring this up by someone who was at the event [14:43:23] I wasnt at it [14:43:29] but seemingly it wa s alow turn out [14:43:33] was this due to publicity [14:43:34] venue [14:43:40] lack of interest [14:43:48] or what can we do differently / [14:44:17] there were about 5 or 6 people there [14:44:30] Well, I made a start on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/264275 :-) [14:44:32] Malone bug 264275 in bzr "bazaar internal error if adding file in a linked directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:44:42] this was the global jam we had in TOG the hackerspace [14:45:05] for the record I took some photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/tags/globaljam/ [14:45:15] and Mean-Machine has some videos i believe [14:45:25] * Mean-Machine was working on cleaning up and redisigning thw wiki a bit [14:46:31] the new wiki page is very nice Mean-Machine [14:46:49] 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLtNxLwkWxg [14:47:09] ok but my point is we;ve over 70 folks signed up [14:47:13] and very few people showing up [14:47:15] 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTx_ppGvPrc [14:47:17] how can we help to change this [14:47:58] What did people who were there think of the venue? [14:48:01] what might have scared ppl a bit was the msg about not having enough seats [14:48:11] maybe? [14:48:18] It wasn't big and couldn't have handled 30 people, but it wasn't squashed. [14:48:26] aye [14:48:53] would it be better if we had said our team is gonna work together on wiki's for the first 2 hrs [14:48:55] we didn't advertise the event as good as the last one [14:49:00] to get people more ued to it? [14:49:21] ok so we know for any other event we need to increase our publicity ok [14:49:32] it was quite free form this time [14:49:41] perhaps something with a bit more structure might help? [14:49:52] Mean-Machine: good point about the seats... can be a bit off putting [14:49:53] yup [14:50:09] mods [14:50:39] so more structure and a bit of hand holding which is not bad and a good way to get more ppl involved as they think they cannot do it on their own [14:50:45] I think that ppl need structure at that kind of events, especially when they want to learn something [14:51:16] as well as structure, what about a bit of competition on the day to encourage people who already know about it? [14:51:45] Free pint for whoever increases their launchpad karma the most that day? [14:51:53] it does motivate ;-] [14:52:09] ok [14:52:22] so fo future events [14:52:28] possibly not the release party [14:52:34] but structure [14:52:37] leading is needed [14:52:45] to get ppl more motivated and interacting [14:52:53] so my next big question [14:53:01] is how do we get the members that have signed up [14:53:02] to come along [14:53:09] and get invovled what do we need to do [14:53:16] again a thought would be doodle [14:53:25] theirishpenguin: what did you think about the event? How did you hear about it? [14:53:29] * shane_fagan present but late [14:53:39] hiya shane_fagan [14:53:44] ask our members what they want to do, more talks, get togethers, more jams etc ? [14:53:46] shane_fagan: hi [14:54:40] czajkowski: I agree [14:54:40] On the event, I agree that more structure would be good. [14:54:50] Doodle could be used to see what people want to learn on the day [14:55:29] I think getting people interested is also an exercise in community building [14:55:42] and a flip side, people who want to show off something, could say "I know X, who wants to learn more about X?" [14:56:10] I'm at the python ireland meetup and I'm wondering how many py ireland devs would consider turning up. [14:56:50] And if the answer is less than 'most' then I wonder why not. [14:56:50] I wonder about a themed track at a future jam. [14:57:01] theirishpenguin: can I ask you do use doodle to mail the loco and as what they want to know more about or do within the LoCo [14:57:05] "Help improve $TECH in ubuntu" ? [14:57:06] I really want to get more ppl invovled here [14:57:13] (in this case python) [14:57:18] which is why new folks are getting tasks rather then the same people [14:57:57] so Duvelhedz is gonna send poll out on post beers on release and if theirishpenguin could send out a poll also on what folks want to get from the LoCo it would be great start [14:58:19] I don't know what doodle is but would be happy to give it a go. [14:58:50] theirishpenguin: doodle.com [14:58:58] theirishpenguin: http://doodle.com/ a website for running polls [14:58:59] set up polls and let ppl tick beside them [14:59:08] In terms of getting people interested in Ubuntu python (which is widely used in Ubuntu) development... [14:59:26] ... it will take time. Structuring programming events can be hard. [14:59:41] in terms of development, more talks, , more get togethters, help with tranaslatons, documentaion, or more local jams etc [14:59:47] Checking out doodle.com as we speak. [15:00:50] Thanks czajkowski, ebel [15:01:29] great [15:01:31] ok [15:01:35] The first thing newbie's (to such an event) will want is low hanging fruit. [15:01:42] yarp [15:01:49] yeah [15:01:52] Send them to do ubuntu docs [15:01:56] So before the next event it would good to have a list of easy tasks. [15:02:05] yes [15:02:06] so we should really try to cater for all sectos. [15:02:10] i'll check it out [15:02:20] newbies, hardcore hackers, specific interests., etc ? [15:02:21] (they generally have a load of easy stuff to do) [15:02:23] shane_fagan: lets not send anyone anywyheere till we can help them [15:02:31] shane_fagan: lets start locally before we go global ok [15:02:40] The other big think i think - is if ppl cant already code a bit let's teach em! [15:02:43] we are of no use to the community unless we can help ourselves first [15:02:56] Ok [15:03:13] I'm happy to show anyone that turns up Ruby or Python programming instead of working on bugs myself. [15:03:19] cool [15:03:31] thats good [15:03:31] I was at the hackerspace over in toronoto and they hold classes [15:03:33] just an idea [15:03:41] We should advertise the fact that we can do a teaching programming stint for those who are interested [15:04:06] That sounds pretty cool czajkowski [15:04:21] Would be great if we could do the same. [15:04:29] czajkowski: FTR a php class is starting in TOG soon [15:04:39] Cool [15:04:42] The problem I found with most events is that they are too far away [15:04:50] So location does matter [15:04:59] shane_fagan: 1/3 of the irish population lives in Dublin :P [15:05:01] * [15:05:04] Who can attend? Do you need to be signed up to tog to attend the php class? [15:05:17] shane_fagan: why not run something yourself :) [15:05:22] TOG does Electronic Fashion http://www.tog.ie/2009/10/tog-does-electronic-fashion/ [15:05:27] theirishpenguin: I'm not sure, it hasn't start for definite yet. [15:05:51] I would in carlow but nobody would come im afraid [15:06:02] I know someone who'd be interested. I'm sure that loads of ppl would be. [15:06:20] shane_fagan: I bet you'd find a few ppl in college [15:06:31] Mean-Machine: I know of 1 [15:06:36] shane_fagan: yeah worth a shot [15:06:54] shane_fagan: that's a start [15:06:56] ill ask the SU for some space some evening [15:06:57] shane_fagan: ok while they are in dublin the majoity of oss folks are here, an optipn would be to run one locally in carlow, saying nobody would come proves why we run a lot in dublin. [15:07:27] true [15:07:42] But its just hard for people down the country [15:08:24] but as you've just said yourself.......... and you're in a college. also last few events we;ve had we've had folks come fro limerick, cork, galway, athlone [15:08:27] all attends [15:08:36] Another thing is marketing such an event. Long term I'd like to know how we get more females involved in an event like this and also less geeky types. [15:09:09] how? [15:09:10] do we need to discuss more or should we move on to the next one? [15:09:34] Before we finish [15:09:54] yeah there's a lot here [15:09:59] I'd just like to say that I'd be happy to organise the next hackign event [15:10:14] theirishpenguin: cool [15:10:17] and I'll try to tackle the issues raised here. [15:10:30] czajkowski, what not try to get those members from limerick, cork, galway, athlone to set meets up regionally? [15:10:52] theirishpenguin: cool [15:10:54] We can discuss more on the ubuntu-ie list or if there is something more suitable then plz suggest. [15:11:08] airurando: that's how it should be [15:11:09] theirishpenguin: irc or the mailing list is great. [15:11:11] theirishpenguin: irc or the mailing list is great. [15:11:14] yep [15:11:26] In terms of getting people involved I think the colleges are crucial. [15:11:47] ok ebel. I will use the mailing list. [15:12:19] theirishpenguin: irc aswell :) [15:12:36] airurando: ideally yes and then they operate under the Ubuntu-ie LoCo [15:12:50] problem is with onlu 1-2 ppl in each area it's harder that way [15:13:12] But 1-2 would bring along a few others [15:13:13] plus we also need to make sure if thyey are flying the Ubuntu-ie flag they conform to the COC etc [15:13:22] ebel: I'll try but I find async comm the easiest. [15:13:43] rght so I think we have some good ideas for the next event [15:13:44] I think that we need to focus on one area first (Dublin) then replicate elsewhere. [15:13:45] theirishpenguin: what ever works for you :) [15:13:47] and how we ant to proceeed [15:13:51] theirishpenguin: exactly [15:13:52] !coc [15:13:53] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [15:14:21] obey the coc lol [15:14:34] srsly [15:14:58] shane_fagan: you should know better [15:15:07] I know [15:15:27] kidding sorry [15:15:55] yeah [15:15:59] OK shall we move on [15:16:04] yarp [15:16:06] next topic is also from czajkowski [15:16:09] [topic] state of IRC Channel [15:16:21] right so tonight ther is activity in here [15:16:28] but in general it's quiet [15:16:35] and not very inviting for new fokls as it's dead [15:16:52] there were meant to be some trnaslatons sessions on here but never happened [15:16:58] what about a weekly session on X [15:17:00] once a week [15:17:03] Agree [15:17:07] +1 [15:17:10] a member tells us what they are doibng for OSS # [15:17:23] can be on trnasltons ngo, tog anything [15:17:33] but get discussions like tonight happening [15:17:45] thoughts... [15:18:14] yep I agree we should have weekly stuff in here to get some activity [15:18:21] might be a good idea [15:18:52] I think there should be a weekly meet for a Q and A session. Thought it might be helpful for new users [15:18:53] +1 [15:19:09] yep [15:19:14] Duvelhedz: nice idea [15:19:50] We can rotate it between different people too [15:20:06] So it could be fresh [15:20:14] well that;s what I'm saying one person a week could talk on what they are working on [15:20:22] or someone could give a class on something [15:20:45] yep, I could do documentation and translations [15:21:04] that kind of stuff [15:21:09] * Mean-Machine will pencil in a wiki session in the near future [15:21:16] Ruby/Python/MySQL/etc [15:21:19] It would be great for the newbies to get setup and comfortable quickly [15:21:23] could work [15:21:27] that too [15:21:46] We all can contribute something [15:21:54] aye [15:21:58] Mean-Machine: great thanks [15:22:09] working on ubuntu-ie wiki as a group [15:22:12] I tink we should try and have this in place as soon as we can to keep momentum [15:22:18] learn how to edit pages [15:22:20] Mean-Machine: wiki looks great *hugs* [15:22:34] * czajkowski is all done on agenda [15:22:35] thanks [15:22:36] :) [15:22:40] czajkowski: not finished yrt :P [15:22:54] AOB? [15:23:16] one more item on the agenda [15:23:20] my agenda :D [15:23:24] ebel [15:23:40] another topic from Mean-Machine [15:23:43] [topic] Point of Contact [15:23:51] ok, so... [15:23:52] some background: [15:24:03] ubuntu LoCos like us have a point of contact [15:24:24] Which is the offical address and contact for the team [15:24:29] it's *not* a leader or president. [15:24:43] Mean-Machine is the current Irish Team P.o.C. [15:24:50] correct [15:24:58] Must go and do the gravyard shift in the hotel, czajkowski , ill email you tomorrow on the list of watering holes for after the food [15:25:00] thanks ebel ;-] [15:25:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact [15:25:25] * Mean-Machine is stepping down from this position [15:25:31] * czajkowski would like to nominate ebel for the POC position [15:25:44] it's due to lack of time [15:25:52] Duvelhedz: not me, the list please [15:26:05] Can there be a Nobel Peace prize for the president? :-) [15:26:14] * czajkowski would like to thank Mean-Machine for his time and contributions to the LoCo [15:26:23] and I don't want the loco to suffer because I can't do something or am not available [15:26:24] czajkowski: ok [15:26:29] yeah Mean-Machine has been great. Has been involved for years [15:26:48] I will not be vanishing [15:27:00] Thanks for the work Mean-Machine. [15:27:10] will still be part of the team and help out wherever and whenever i can [15:27:40] also the new point of contact will not be alone [15:28:03] 30days transition period should be ok I think [15:28:53] anyone here who would like to step up? [15:28:54] yeah [15:29:13] I'll also send out an email tomorrow [15:29:14] ebel: is that your hand I spy [15:29:20] with all the info etc [15:29:29] * ebel throws his hat in the ring [15:29:34] yay [15:29:43] ebel: cooooool [15:29:43] +1 for ebel [15:29:52] +1 ebel [15:29:54] +1 [15:31:13] Anyone else left to vote? [15:31:32] +1 ebel [15:31:44] anyone else wanna nominate themselves [15:32:17] ? [15:32:51] * Mean-Machine will send out an official announcement to ubuntu-ie and lococontacts list at some stage tomorrow or Friday... depends on work really [15:32:58] cool [15:32:59] :D [15:33:01] w00t [15:33:14] ah thanks :) [15:33:22] ebel: congrats! [15:33:56] Congratulations! [15:33:56] w00t [15:34:11] :) [15:34:20] congrats ebel! [15:34:30] slashtom: give him a hug for us [15:34:38] OK i think that's everything on the agenda.... [15:34:40] already have [15:34:45] Is there any other business? [15:35:11] nope diddly [15:35:12] coolio [15:35:13] just a quick one [15:35:31] Regarding the next bug jam event... [15:35:59] When would be appropriate to have the next one? [15:36:21] theirishpenguin: I don't know.... try a doodle poll? :P [15:36:22] theirishpenguin: whenever you want [15:36:29] ;-] [15:36:43] if you're driving it, then when suits you is best. [15:36:46] Would something like 1 months time be ok [15:37:06] Regarding polls, I prefer the benevolent dictator approach :-) [15:37:14] theirishpenguin: doesnt work :( [15:37:16] polls do [15:37:25] anything after UDS so end of November and I can come [15:37:33] and then fill folks in on work done at UDS [15:37:36] whens uds? [15:37:52] November 15-s0 [15:37:53] 20 [15:38:00] theirishpenguin: well when were you thinking of having one? [15:38:03] netsplit got me [15:38:25] what did I miss [15:38:27] Dec 01 then - after uds - its a tue [15:39:36] ebel: what did I miss? (I was stuck in a netsplit [15:39:51] And I might try a mini event before that. Will put something up on doodle [15:40:06] theirishpenguin: cool :) [15:40:10] shane_fagan: ebel is the new ubuntu-ie loco point of contact! [15:40:18] Oh ok [15:41:04] congrats ebel [15:41:09] AOB? [15:41:16] nope diddly squat [15:41:20] oh [15:41:22] One last thing, if anyone has anything to contrib to http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2009/09/18/open-letter-to-the-irish-government-on-open-source-driven-innovation then please add comments to the post. [15:41:31] 2 Ubuntu-ie members are attending UDS :D [15:41:42] :D [15:41:47] My first UDS too [15:42:05] * shane_fagan loves canonical now [15:42:12] And if there's a way to get canonical interested in promoting FOSS directly in Ire then that would be cool too. [15:42:14] Enjoy peeps :) [15:42:41] #end meeting [15:42:44] Anyway gotta run. Congrats ebel. Thanks to all and catch talk soon! [15:42:46] #endmeeting [15:42:48]