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20120118

Contents

General Agenda Items and Proposals
Location
Logs
Meeting summary
Votes
Action items
Action items, by person
People present (lines said)
Full Log

General Agenda Items and Proposals

Who	What
Everybody	Show of hands to gauge attendance
gilir	Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
phillw	Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
Unit193	Weekly report - Update on IRC OP's team
MrChrisDruif	Weekly report - Update on Wiki / Docs team
gilir	Weekly report - Devs teams report
jmarsden	Mailing list migration

Location

Lubuntu Team Meeting

Place

IRC: irc.freenode.org
Channel: #ubuntu-meeting
Webchat link

Time

Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 20:00 UTC

Logs

#title #ubuntu-meeting: Lubuntu Team Meeting

Meeting started by gilir at 20:05:45 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-18-20.05.log.html .

Meeting summary

phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team

LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ (phillw, 20:13:50) ACTION: gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO (gilir, 20:15:38)

Unit193 - Weekly report - Update on IRC OP's team
MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update on Wiki / Docs team
gilir - Weekly report - Devs teams report
jmarsden|work Mailing list migration

Meeting ended at 21:02:46 UTC.

Votes

Action items

gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO

Action items, by person

gilir
* gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO

People present (lines said)

gilir (61)
amjjawad (58)
StephenSmally (22)
phillw (21)
michaelrawson (15)
MrChrisDruif (15)
wxl (14)
jmarsden|work (9)
Unit193 (9)
meetingology (5)
ubottu (1)

Full Log

20:05:45 <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
20:05:45 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 18 20:05:45 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
20:05:45 <meetingology>
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20:05:55 <jmarsden|work> o/ 20:06:02 * gilir takes a seat
20:06:10 <phillw> 0/
20:06:15 <michaelrawson> o/
20:06:23 <MrChrisDruif> Sit down already
20:06:27 <Unit193> \o
20:06:35 <gilir> as ususal, aganda is here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
20:06:42 <StephenSmally> 0/
20:07:42 <gilir> no action from previous meeting
20:08:05 <gilir> so we will go directly to team report
20:08:33 <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
20:08:51 <phillw> Sadly, one big bug has just surfaced.
20:09:24 <phillw> I've just gotten confirmation of it & it prevents a new install of lubuntu 12.04 from running. Does not affect xubuntu or kubuntu.
20:09:43 <gilir> phillw, you have a bug number ?
20:10:01 <phillw> gilir: I got confirmtaion about 3 minutes ago!
20:10:29 <phillw> gilir: I'll get it raised but the issue is unity-greeter[1589] trap int3 ip:7fec4fbe4b3b sp:7fff55e32490 error:0
20:10:29 <phillw> also the build useed to report the bug is 17
20:10:29 <phillw> same errors for me in 18 on real hardware
20:11:12 <gilir> phillw, hum, we should not have unity-greeter at all on lubuntu
20:11:18 <jmarsden|work> why would there be a "unity-greeter" ... exactly!
20:11:56 <phillw> that is what njin from the QA team saw when he tried to confirm it for me. It fails crazily on VM. He used a 'real' machine.
20:12:11 <gilir> phillw, I'll look at a daily ISO to check, maybe the last update of lighdm was not so nice
20:12:33 <phillw> okies, I got it 1st on 17th, we re-tried once 18th came out.
20:12:36 <amjjawad> that black wallpaper is so bad
20:13:00 <michaelrawson> lightdm won't run at all for me. I'm all for keeping lxdm for now.
20:13:25 <phillw> other than that, the new front wiki for the main QA team has been redisgned and will gradually filter through to update everything.
20:13:28 <amjjawad> for me, I got it after I updated and upgraded my system
20:13:50 <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/
20:14:01 <gilir> michaelrawson, report a bug instead, we can't just switch this type of application when a bug arise
20:14:09 <phillw> The current push is to have everything needed for alpha 2 testing.
20:14:30 <phillw> end of QA report.
20:14:38 <michaelrawson> @gilir, I have. Sorry for chipping in
20:14:38 <meetingology> michaelrawson: Error: "gilir," is not a valid command.
20:14:49 <michaelrawson> gilir, I have. Sorry for chipping in
20:15:06 <gilir> thanks phillw
20:15:38 <gilir> #action gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO 20:15:38 * meetingology gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO
20:16:07 <gilir> #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update on IRC OP's team
20:16:12 <Unit193> The IRC council call for OPs has been closed and we should hear from them later this week.
20:16:43 <Unit193> I'm also still looking for someone to do the OPs interview
20:17:07 <jmarsden|work> Unit193: Use a mirror?
20:17:20 <Unit193> jmarsden|work: Last one I tried broke :/
20:18:18 <gilir> Unit193, interview for the comm team ?
20:18:28 <Unit193> gilir: Yes sir!
20:18:41 <gilir> well, it's not mandatory
20:19:20 <gilir> let's see how the first ones go, maybe people will be interested after
20:19:45 <amjjawad> no one replied Jens except me and Phill :/
20:20:01 <gilir> amjjawad, I done it off list
20:20:06 <Unit193> Yeah, there isn't much info as to the questions and sych
20:20:10 <amjjawad> gilir: aha
20:20:19 <phillw> amjjawad: also chris druif has replied.
20:20:30 <amjjawad> phillw: that's cool
20:20:50 <gilir> Unit193, anything else ?
20:21:02 <Unit193> That's all I can think of for now
20:21:12 <gilir> ok thanks Unit193
20:21:25 <MrChrisDruif> YOU FORGOT ME?
20:21:27 <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update on Wiki / Docs team
20:21:46 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, I follow the agenda order
20:22:46 <MrChrisDruif> We've had a small issue regarding installing non-platform apps like ktouch on lubuntu
20:23:27 <MrChrisDruif> I asked if others could look up if others could find any info on the wiki regarding this issue. I've not had any response yet
20:23:50 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, is there a bug report somewhere (upstream or on launchpad) ?
20:24:01 <MrChrisDruif> And still haven't really started with the restructuring of the wiki and help pages
20:24:24 <MrChrisDruif> gilir; No, it was a question coming from amjjawad from the forum.
20:24:30 <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: we need to talk sometime soon regarding that
20:25:17 <amjjawad> I mean regarding the Wiki Pages and the re-organization of it
20:25:21 <MrChrisDruif> If it had performance issue. gilir; if you know anything about it, info would be appreciated
20:25:39 <gilir> MrChrisDruif, no sorry, never use it
20:26:06 <MrChrisDruif> Alright, then I'll send a query to the mailing-list to find info about it
20:26:14 <gilir> but maybe you could report a bug on upstream bug tracker, if you can't find information about this issue
20:26:37 <gilir> yes, maybe someone on the mailing know something
20:27:01 <MrChrisDruif> Other then that nothing to report
20:27:02 <amjjawad> and I'll try to do some search on the forum in case I can find something useful
20:27:28 <gilir> thanks MrChrisDruif
20:27:34 <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; thanks. About restructuring the wiki you can post to the wiki mailing-list
20:27:34 <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: please CC me when you will send that email
20:27:46 <MrChrisDruif> If you've got ideas, just share them
20:27:50 <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: I thought we can chat ?
20:28:02 <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Devs teams report
20:28:26 <gilir> No big and visible progress here
20:28:42 <StephenSmally> i have to say a thing
20:28:44 <gilir> work on lxfind continue
20:29:08 <StephenSmally> gilir: yes, i'm implementing popup menu right now
20:29:15 <MrChrisDruif> gilir; Q: will LSC ever replace gdebi?
20:29:20 <wxl> yey lxfind!
20:29:20 <gilir> some progress on the packaging of the artwork, if you have the staging PPA, you may see some new stuff soon
20:29:26 <wxl> (sorry just had to say thank you)
20:29:45 <amjjawad> +1 for MrChrisDruif Q
20:29:53 <gilir> and an update of gnome-mpalyer is in progress, available in PPA staging too
20:30:07 <gilir> StephenSmally, yes ?
20:30:24 <StephenSmally> mmm, no, for the moment
20:30:32 <amjjawad> why not to keep it?
20:30:43 <gilir> StephenSmally, you said you had something to say
20:30:56 <StephenSmally> ah, excusme
20:31:25 <StephenSmally> a last bug on LSC should be fixed now (using non english translation)
20:31:42 <StephenSmally> so i think we will be ready to release 0.0.3 soon
20:31:55 <gilir> StephenSmally, cool
20:32:27 <gilir> StephenSmally, ping me when it's ready, so I can test it and update it on the repositories
20:32:38 <StephenSmally> of course
20:33:04 <gilir> StephenSmally, and remember, feature freeze will be here soon, be sure to include most feature you want before this
20:34:03 <StephenSmally> mm, but if lsc is already in the repo...
20:34:14 <gilir> nothing more from devs, unless StephenSmally or jmarsden|work want to add anything
20:34:32 <StephenSmally> shouldn't be possible update it without problems?
20:34:48 <jmarsden|work> Nothing from me, except that lightdm/black screen issue needs fixing
20:34:51 <gilir> StephenSmally, yes, but feature freeze applied to all packages in repo
20:35:12 <jmarsden|work> StephenSmally: You can't add new features even to an existing app after Feature Freeze without getting an FFe
20:35:16 <gilir> StephenSmally, after this, we can't add new feature, we focus on bug fixing
20:35:22 <StephenSmally> Argh, ok, i will be fast as possible
20:35:38 <StephenSmally> another little things,
20:35:44 <gilir> that's mean I need to finish the session manager really soon :/
20:35:54 <amjjawad> StephenSmally: will LSC do the same function that Gdebi does?
20:35:55 <wxl> ooh i forgot to ask, does lxfind do regex at all?
20:35:57 <wxl> probably not
20:36:10 <StephenSmally> i opened a topic on the Ubuntu Italian forum to collect feedbacks and hints about lubuntu
20:36:38 <StephenSmally> wxl: since you use find as backend, yes, no with the native glib backend
20:37:13 <wxl> StephenSmally: so if i understand you correctly, you're saying part of the backend does, but the other doesn't, so long story short, no
20:37:33 <StephenSmally> LxFind supports 3 kind of backends
20:37:43 <StephenSmally> Locate, Find and the Glib one
20:38:17 <wxl> ah so it just selects the right one; got it
20:38:46 <amjjawad> StephenSmally: will LSC do the same function that GDebi does?
20:39:01 <StephenSmally> amjjawad: no, not at the moment
20:39:11 <amjjawad> but in future yes, right?
20:39:49 <amjjawad> StephenSmally: and for me to know more about LSC and can answer such Qs on the Forum ... will user be able to install and use LSC on any variant?
20:39:50 <StephenSmally> amjjawad: we will see, if gdebi is too old or if is unuseful have to apps instead of one yes
20:40:19 <michaelrawson> amjawad; I have LSC on ubuntu, if that helps.
20:40:27 <StephenSmally> Yes, LSC haven't got any dependencies related to Lubuntu specifically, runs on any Debian Base distro
20:40:35 <amjjawad> michaelrawson: that is good to know
20:40:42 <amjjawad> StephenSmally: thanks
20:40:44 <amjjawad> one last Q
20:40:52 <amjjawad> will LXFind be available in 12.04?
20:41:14 <StephenSmally> mm, i think gilir will ask better
20:41:56 <amjjawad> gilir: ?
20:42:13 <StephenSmally> (Feature freeze, you know, we need tester and need fast builds, launchpad takes hours to build)
20:42:19 <gilir> amjjawad, not by default, it's too short, but yes in the PPA
20:42:47 <amjjawad> gilir: thanks a lot. I need to be ready to answer that on Forums
20:42:47 <michaelrawson> gilir; permamently in PPA, or in 12.10?
20:43:16 <jmarsden|work> Who knows what will be in 12:10, at this point? probably lxfind can be in 12.10 if it matures by then...
20:43:23 <gilir> michaelrawson, no, we can reconsider it for 12.10
20:43:36 <michaelrawson> yup, thanks gilir.
20:43:40 <MrChrisDruif> StephenSmally; I'm not seeing a definitive answer if it'll support .deb installation
20:43:47 <amjjawad> gilir: what about LXScreenshot?
20:44:32 <gilir> amjjawad, as I said on the ML, we need to compare it with scrot, to see if we can replace it
20:44:34 <StephenSmally> MrChrisDruif: not in Precise
20:44:58 <amjjawad> so that means not yet decided. Thanks G
20:45:18 <gilir> any more questions ?
20:45:33 <amjjawad> gilir: wubi?
20:45:35 <MrChrisDruif> But eventually yes? Maybe with backports eventually in Precise?
20:45:39 <amjjawad> in 12.04?
20:46:39 <gilir> amjjawad, I had no news about it, still in progress for 12.04
20:46:50 <phillw> amjjawad: wubi will support 12.04 lubuntu
20:46:51 <amjjawad> Ok, thanks gilir
20:47:03 <amjjawad> phillw: so is it official?
20:47:03 <gilir> phillw is more up-to-date than me
20:47:26 <phillw> amjjawad: the fix has been made, we awair beta1 for full testing.
20:47:59 <amjjawad> ok then it's kind of official thanks phillw
20:48:11 <amjjawad> I'm done with Qs so far
20:48:40 <phillw> amjjawad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/907524
20:48:42 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 907524 in Wubi "No Lubuntu option" [Medium,Fix released]
20:48:56 <gilir> #topic jmarsden|work Mailing list migration
20:49:41 <amjjawad> thanks phillw, I subscribed to that bug
20:49:59 <gilir> jmarsden|work, I planned to just close the team for new member, and remove current members to be sure nobody post to the old mailing list
20:50:15 <gilir> jmarsden|work, if you have a better idea, go
20:50:29 <amjjawad> gilir: why we do this? because we have sub-teams now?
20:50:55 <jmarsden|work> That's fine, I was wondering when we will do it, I am still seeing some people (phillw and amjjawad from memory) use the old list...
20:50:57 <gilir> amjjawad, no, because we have a new-and-more-official mailing list
20:51:20 <amjjawad> gilir: ok but what about the members?
20:51:28 <amjjawad> they need to join the NEW one first!!
20:51:35 <gilir> jmarsden|work, I planned to wait some days after the annoucement of the new mailing list, but I can do it shortly now
20:51:55 <gilir> amjjawad, I already send 2 mails on the old mailing about it
20:52:08 <gilir> I think it's enough
20:52:11 <amjjawad> gilir: true but I'm sure most did not read it yet
20:52:14 <michaelrawson> o/
20:52:20 <jmarsden|work> I think we need a clear decision; it's Ok with me if the etam thinks we need a longer period for people to move over... but ... yes, peole alread had notice.
20:52:24 <gilir> I'll see if I can send a message with the kick of the members
20:52:27 <amjjawad> gilir: I'll make sure to update the threads on UF
20:52:50 <amjjawad> so that most of them who are already there will be informed
20:53:05 <jmarsden|work> Thinking about this... which "team" is responsible for the mailing list?
20:53:13 <amjjawad> michaelrawson: where do you think we need to put that? what thread?
20:53:28 <michaelrawson> IDK. all of them!
20:53:30 <Unit193> One last email to say why they were removed, and remove them all, simple
20:53:48 <amjjawad> I can't put that on all of them, it's cross posting and you know what is next michaelrawson
20:54:04 <michaelrawson> I meant LOST and LOSG and possible the 12.04 thread.
20:54:07 <gilir> jmarsden|work, I don't know if we really need a team on this
20:54:29 <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: I say we don't need that
20:54:36 <amjjawad> each sub-team will take care of its own list
20:54:55 <amjjawad> lubuntu-user will be for everyone
20:55:10 <Unit193> If people are subscribed to the mailing list, they should just need an email about it
20:55:18 <amjjawad> michaelrawson: I'll see where to put that, most likely Lubuntu One Stop Group
20:56:02 <michaelrawson> you could also possible ask the fridge, etc to put out something. IDK, I agree with gilir in part.
20:56:50 <michaelrawson> is it possible to send a message every time someone posts to that list, warning them it's closing soon, and where to look for new one?
20:56:52 <gilir> michaelrawson, maybe a blog post on a Ubuntu Planet should be enough ?
20:56:58 <michaelrawson> probably.
20:57:19 <michaelrawson> I am googling ubuntu planet.
20:57:55 <wxl> as an aside to the topic but consistent with this current tangent, amjjawad i think you should create a facebook GROUP for us
20:58:00 <wxl> pages are easy to ignore
20:58:07 <gilir> any ubuntu member volunteer for this blog post ? :p
20:58:29 <amjjawad> wxl: there is a group but i have no clue who is in charge???
20:58:31 <phillw> gilir: I'll giver it a go
20:58:53 <gilir> phillw, your blog is aggregate on the planet ?
20:59:08 <wxl> amjjawad: we'll chat later about this. i'm sure you could get in touch and have him/her make you an admin
20:59:23 <phillw> gilir: I thought you wanted s.o. to report it ubuntu planet?
20:59:25 <amjjawad> I tired and he/she ignored me as usual wxl
20:59:37 <wxl> amjjawad: then make a new group!
20:59:47 <amjjawad> phillw: what do you think? new group?
20:59:50 <wxl> amjjawad: e.g. "Official Lubuntu"
20:59:59 <amjjawad> I'm not an admin on Lubuntu Page yet??? so what gives? phillw ?
21:00:10 <amjjawad> I've been calling for that since ages!
21:00:13 <phillw> amjjawad: I rarely use fb!
21:00:21 <amjjawad> many do phillw
21:00:27 <amjjawad> I'm UP to this as forever
21:00:32 <amjjawad>
21:00:42 <amjjawad> my requests were being ignored
21:00:45 <amjjawad> I'm active on Fb
21:00:51 <amjjawad> just like UF
21:01:06 <gilir> phillw, we will talk about it later, maybe I can do a blog post about Lubuntu devs for 12.04, include this information
21:01:09 <wxl> ACTUALLY i'd be happy to help out with a facebook group as part of support
21:01:20 <amjjawad> I'm creating too many pages but I don't think it's very good idea. We need to focus on few official pages
21:01:22 <phillw> okies gilir
21:01:32 <michaelrawson> well...me too, but I'm with phill on fb usage.
21:01:36 <gilir> ok, it's time, if nobody have important stuff to add, I'll finish the meeting
21:01:55 <wxl> pages don't push notifications, but groups do, which is why i suggest groups
21:02:07 <amjjawad> wxl: i don't mind
21:02:09 * MrChrisDruif uses fb a lot. But google+ for Ubuntu related stuff
21:02:10 <wxl> sounds like this is our personal project amjjawad
21:02:12 <amjjawad> I need the green light
21:02:29 <amjjawad> I already made G+ for Lubuntu
21:02:46 <gilir> #endmeeting