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Vote: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification (Deadlock) Vote: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application (Carried)

Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification

The discussion about "Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification" started at 20:41.

  • LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/PastActivities goes to 2013

  • Vote: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. (Carried)

  • Vote: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws. (Carried)

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  • meetingology (55)
  • Letozaf_ (39)
  • kyrofa (34)
  • kenvandine (34)
  • nhaines (33)
  • kokoye2007 (26)
  • Gsilvapt_ (23)
  • thohi (5)
  • <Letozaf> (0)

  • <gsilvapt> (0)

  • <kenvandine> (0)

  • krofa (0)
  • <krofa> (0)

  • <nhaines> (0)

  • gsilvapt (0)

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  • 20:04 <Letozaf_> #startmeeting <Ubuntu Loco Team monthly meeting>

    20:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 12 20:04:03 2018 UTC. The chair is Letozaf_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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    20:04 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

    20:05 <Letozaf_> #chair <Letozaf> <krofa> <gsilvapt> <nhaines> <kenvandine>

    20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <Letozaf>

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    20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <nhaines>

    20:05 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: <kenvandine>

    20:05 <meetingology> Current chairs: <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines> Letozaf_

    20:05 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, don't include the brackets

    20:05 <Letozaf_> oooh...

    20:05 <kyrofa> That syntax indicates a placeholder

    20:05 <Letozaf_> lets try again

    20:05 <Letozaf_> thanks

    20:06 <Letozaf_> #chair Letozaf_ krofa gsilvapt nhaines kenvandine

    20:06 <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: krofa

    20:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines> Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa nhaines

    20:06 <Letozaf_> #chair kyrofa

    20:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines> Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa kyrofa nhaines

    20:06 <nhaines> #unchair <Letozaf> <gsilvapt> <kenvandine> <krofa> <nhaines>

    20:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa kyrofa nhaines

    20:06 <Letozaf_> sorry for the mess

    20:07 <nhaines> All better. Big Grin :)

    20:07 <kyrofa> Unchair that krofa fellow and you're good

    20:07 <Letozaf_> #unchair krofa

    20:07 <meetingology> Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines

    20:07 <Letozaf_> is someone missing ?

    20:07 <kyrofa> Nope, I think we're good

    20:08 <Letozaf_> For the topics, shall I get them from the Wiki ?

    20:08 <kyrofa> Indeed, from our agenda

    20:09 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification

    20:10 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo Team re-verification

    20:10 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, ah, one at a time

    20:10 <kokoye2007> Smile :)

    20:10 <kyrofa> Once we finish one, change the topic, etc.

    20:10 <Letozaf_> I was just wondering that

    20:10 <Letozaf_> Smile :)

    20:10 <Letozaf_> let's do it again, ok ?

    20:11 <kyrofa> Sure thing

    20:11 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification

    20:11 <kyrofa> Alright, everyone take a few moments to look over the Myanmar application. Note that the URL is incorrect, including wiki.ubuntu.com too many times

    20:11 <kyrofa> Do we have anyone from the Myanmar LoCo here?

    20:12 <nhaines> The correct URL is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2017

    20:12 <kenvandine> i noticed the wiki page hasn't been updated since november

    20:12 <kokoye2007> yes me

    20:12 <thohi> yes .

    20:12 <kenvandine> hi kokoye2007!

    20:12 <kyrofa> Indeed, nothing seems to have changed at all since November

    20:12 <kenvandine> and thohi!

    20:12 <kenvandine> but we have representatives here this month, woot!

    20:12 <kokoye2007> we need update for 2018 3 event

    20:12 <kyrofa> Very nice, welcome kokoye2007 and thohi

    20:13 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, how about 2017? Did anything happen?

    20:14 <kokoye2007> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-mm/events/history/

    20:14 <Letozaf_> I see some pictures here : https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm/pool/ about the 17.10 release party

    20:14 <kokoye2007> 19 event and still need update

    20:15 <nhaines> Lots of activity there. Were those events not important enough to be considered in the verification application?

    20:15 <Letozaf_> maybe we didn't see them then

    20:16 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, they're _still_ not on the application Smile :)

    20:16 <kenvandine> great turnout for the 17.10 release party

    20:16 <kokoye2007> thanks

    20:17 <kokoye2007> we make a lot of event and distribution

    20:17 <thohi> We make other open source and open data events use with "contributed by Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team".

    20:17 <kokoye2007> we never missed release party

    20:18 <thohi> Is that also options for good ?

    20:19 <thohi> If we put such events , We said in local Ubuntu is everywhere Smile :)

    20:19 <kyrofa> Just to remind everyone about our previous review, here are the relevant minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-63

    20:20 <kenvandine> kyrofa, thx

    20:21 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: it would be nice to list those events on the re-verification

    20:21 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, thohi the questions that are coming up this time are the same: it seems you're active, but your application still looks incomplete, the most recent event being in 2016

    20:21 <kokoye2007> wooo

    20:21 <kokoye2007> thanks for kindly

    20:21 <kokoye2007> we missed this re application meeting

    20:22 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, and you put yourselves on the agenda last month as well, with no changes

    20:22 <kokoye2007> bcz of timezones and date. apologize. sorry

    20:22 <kyrofa> We gave you this time to prepare your application, and I personally see no changes

    20:22 <kenvandine> agreed

    20:22 <kenvandine> we can see activity though, but it's not being documented on the reverification

    20:23 <kokoye2007> yes. it's my bad

    20:24 <kokoye2007> try to collect best event and photo. I still open in re application wiki edit

    20:24 <kokoye2007> also we make user guide in local language

    20:26 <kokoye2007> hello

    20:26 <kokoye2007> ubuntumm.sf.net

    20:26 <nhaines> kokoye2007: it doesn't look like the reverification application mentions a local language user guide.

    20:28 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, that's great

    20:28 <kokoye2007> sorry for application updated

    20:29 <kokoye2007> bcz missed many event and activities

    20:29 <kokoye2007> https://github.com/fossmyanmar/ubuntu-mm-wiki?files=1

    20:29 <kokoye2007> it's one of old project. now we printed and share at event

    20:29 <kokoye2007> like that we missed on wiki

    20:29 <nhaines> That looks very comprehensive, but hasn't been updated in over two years.

    20:30 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: it's great to see all that you have done, but I'd still really like to see it all on the application

    20:30 <kokoye2007> yes

    20:30 <kenvandine> i suggest we vote to approve ubuntu-mm for 1 more month to allow time to include all this awesome stuff on the application

    20:31 <kenvandine> shall we vote?

    20:31 <Letozaf_> #vote

    20:31 <meetingology> Please vote on:

    20:31 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:31 <Letozaf_> +1

    20:31 <kokoye2007> every reapply and when we apply Ubuntu member application. we need more improve at wiki

    20:31 <nhaines> Let's restart the vote.

    20:31 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, the vote should have a topic (what are we voting on)

    20:31 <kenvandine> hang on... include a description in what we are voting

    20:31 <kokoye2007> thanks for your ...

    20:32 <Letozaf_> sorry guys

    20:32 <nhaines> #undo

    20:32 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: LINK

    20:32 <nhaines> #endvote

    20:32 <meetingology> No vote in progress

    20:32 <Letozaf_> #vote for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification

    20:32 <meetingology> Please vote on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification

    20:32 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:32 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, that's okay! First time is always a bit weird Smile :)

    20:33 <kenvandine> Letozaf_, can we try one more time specifying extension Smile :)

    20:34 <Letozaf_> #vote approve Myanmar LoCo 1 month extension

    20:34 <meetingology> Voting still open on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification

    20:34 <kyrofa> #undo

    20:34 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: LINK

    20:34 <kyrofa> #endvote

    20:34 <meetingology> Voting ended on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification

    20:34 <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0

    20:34 <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used

    20:34 <kyrofa> Darn

    20:34 <Letozaf_> sorry for the mess

    20:35 <kenvandine> no worries

    20:35 <nhaines> #vote MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application

    20:35 <meetingology> Please vote on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application

    20:35 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:35 <kenvandine> +1

    20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine

    20:35 <nhaines> +1

    20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines

    20:35 <Letozaf_> +1

    20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_

    20:35 <Gsilvapt_> +1

    20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_

    20:35 <kyrofa> -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized

    20:35 <meetingology> -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized received from kyrofa

    20:36 <Letozaf_> #endvote

    20:36 <meetingology> Voting ended on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application

    20:36 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0

    20:36 <meetingology> Motion carried

    20:36 <Letozaf_> (fiew)

    20:36 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: please update that application including all this great stuff

    20:37 <kokoye2007> thanks

    20:37 <nhaines> kokoye2007: The application indicates that the LoCo is not active at all and has done nothing in the past year. But we see that this isn't true!

    20:37 <kenvandine> and please try to attend the meeting next month

    20:37 <nhaines> So we need that to be in the application, because that's what we read a week before the meeting to help us make a decision.

    20:37 <kenvandine> we'll vote then for full reverification

    20:37 <Letozaf_> it's a pitty that all the work you do is not documented in the Wiki

    20:37 <thohi> thanks , I will put other related events.

    20:38 <nhaines> Plus, it will be helpful to you and to other LoCos to have that all in one place. Smile :)

    20:40 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification

    20:40 <Letozaf_> Anyone from the Switzerland LoCo around?

    20:41 <Letozaf_> #topic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification

    20:42 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubunut LoCo Team 12th February 2018 Montly meating

    20:42 <kyrofa> As a reminder, our previous review of SwissTeam was an extension. Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-320

    20:44 <kyrofa> That was the big DRAFT one, heh

    20:45 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu LoCo Team 12th February 2018 montly meeting

    20:45 <nhaines> In the meantime, they removed "DRAFT" and added a link to one event to plan for an 18.04 release party.

    20:46 <kyrofa> Similar to before, I like their Linux Day site, which seems active

    20:47 <nhaines> I still don't see any activity on the mailing list, Facebook page, or Flickr.

    20:47 <kyrofa> This list of current events on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam#Events_and_other_activities jumps from 2014 to 2018

    20:48 <kyrofa> And 2018 events are "in planning"

    20:50 <kyrofa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/PastActivities goes to 2013

    20:50 <nhaines> I have questions about their activity, but no one is here to answer them. :/

    20:51 <nhaines> I think we should move this application to Launchpad and get more information. That way they don't need to be online at the meeting.

    20:51 <kenvandine> nhaines, +1

    20:51 <Gsilvapt_> Agreed

    20:51 <Letozaf_> +1

    20:51 <nhaines> #vote Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad.

    20:51 <meetingology> Please vote on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad.

    20:51 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    20:52 <kenvandine> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine

    20:52 <Letozaf_> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_

    20:52 <nhaines> Lets make it official Smile :)

    20:52 <nhaines> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines

    20:52 <Gsilvapt_> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_

    20:52 <kyrofa> +1

    20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa

    20:52 <nhaines> #endvote

    20:52 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad.

    20:52 <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0

    20:52 <meetingology> Motion carried

    20:53 <nhaines> Okay, that should give them a chance to respond. It *looks* like they're up to good things, but we need some more proof.

    20:53 <Gsilvapt_> What's next in the agenda? There's something I'd like to ask the council but that can be done in the end

    20:54 <Letozaf_> I think that's all with the agenda

    20:54 <kyrofa> That should be it

    20:54 <nhaines> I think that's all the agenda items.

    20:55 <Gsilvapt_> Ok, so I want to ask something that also has to be asked to the Council. I don't know how many of you are aware of the Framework in the European Union about to be approved that can harm free and open source software

    20:55 <Gsilvapt_> It's about copyright and such: https://savecodeshare.eu/

    20:55 <Gsilvapt_> This covers most of it.

    20:56 <Gsilvapt_> The Portuguese local team is considering helping other open and not-for-profit organisation but we are concerned about whether its part of our responsibility or not

    20:56 <kyrofa> Whether what, exactly, is part of our responsibility?

    20:57 <Gsilvapt_> If on one hand it is related with Ubuntu's core philosophy, we understand if this can be seen as taking a political stand point

    20:57 <Gsilvapt_> And, obviously, we don't want to cross our limits as a LoCo 20:57 * kenvandine isn't a lawyer, but i think in general it's good to support such causes

    20:57 <nhaines> Ubuntu is comprised of Free and Open Source Software, so raising awareness of issues that impact the FOSS community and thus Ubuntu is definitely in your scope. And it's okay to not take positions on such things, too. That's for every LoCo to decide.

    20:58 <kenvandine> spreading awareness is harmless

    20:58 <nhaines> Some countries may allow this or disallow this, based on whether the LoCo is registered as a non-profit organization or not, so I think we can leave the decision up to every team.

    20:59 <Gsilvapt_> Can we somehow mark it as an official decision? Just for the record

    20:59 <kenvandine> oh, there are some loco's that are registered as non-profits?

    21:00 <Gsilvapt_> I can still consult the Community Council, as I was expecting doing so anyways, but it would be great to have the LoCo Council's opinion

    21:00 <Gsilvapt_> Well, the Portuguese is not @kenvandine

    21:00 <nhaines> kenvandine: very popular in Europe as I understand. Smile :)

    21:00 <kenvandine> i was just surprised to hear there are some that are

    21:01 <nhaines> Allows them to take donations legally and to qualify for cultural grants and other nice things.

    21:01 <kenvandine> true, but lots of paperwork Smile :)

    21:02 <Gsilvapt_> May make it worth it if they use its advantages often

    21:02 <kenvandine> that's great

    21:02 <Gsilvapt_> s/make/be

    21:02 <kenvandine> i just hadn't considered that

    21:02 <kenvandine> cool

    21:02 <kenvandine> Gsilvapt_, i think our stance has to be that it's up to the individual locos

    21:02 <kenvandine> as laws differ, etc

    21:02 <Gsilvapt_> Regarding the previous issue, is there a way to record the Council's opinion on the issue I brought up?

    21:02 <Gsilvapt_> Either by vote or something else

    21:03 <Gsilvapt_> Makes sense @kenvandine

    21:07 <nhaines> I'm trying to think of the right way to word that.

    21:08 <nhaines> #vote Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws.

    21:08 <meetingology> Please vote on: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws.

    21:08 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    21:08 <nhaines> +1

    21:08 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines

    21:09 <kenvandine> +1

    21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine

    21:09 <Gsilvapt_> +1

    21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_

    21:09 <Letozaf_> +1

    21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_

    21:09 <Gsilvapt_> Thank you everyone

    21:11 <kyrofa> +0

    21:11 <meetingology> +0 received from kyrofa

    21:11 <nhaines> #endvote

    21:11 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws.

    21:11 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1

    21:11 <meetingology> Motion carried

    21:12 <Gsilvapt_> I guess everything is carried out then Smile :)

    21:12 <nhaines> Gsilvapt_: good luck with that work. Smile :)

    21:12 <Gsilvapt_> Thank you!

    21:12 <kenvandine> i think that's everything

    21:13 <Gsilvapt_> Should we end it?

    21:14 <Letozaf_> #endmeeting

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